what's the point?

[GrimmJeeper]

ok. so here on NAXJA we have the tech forums, the off topic forum, the pic forum, even the Den for the innapropriate stuff that is just too good not to share.

then we have the chapter forums.
i was under the impression that the chapter forums were for the BS chit-chat with your buddies type of stuff, but it appears as of late that is not the case. apparently some people dont want the normal day to day banter in here anymore.

so i ask you, oh glorious all mighty BOD, WTF is the point of the SoCal chapter forum then? is it just to say "hey, i need help working on my rig" or "im going out to so and so trail who's with me?" type of crap only? i consider every single person ive met in this group a close personal friend, and i enjoy the little back and forth chit chat we have here... i dont understand why that bothers some of you. i think it has brought quite a few of us alot closer together. i know i wouldnt know Andy as well, to name one person, or even Rick for that matter, if it wasnt for the everyday blah blah blah that goes on here.


please, let me know if i am out of line, or just delete this post if its in the wrong forum :rolleyes: ... i just want to know, what is OK and what is not? is our chapter forum only for who's going where and whos working on what type of discussion?

i just dont get it :dunno:
-G

PS: before i get a damn PM about hurting someones damn feelings im not trying to single anyone out, and i held back alot of harsh things i felt like saying, so please, im just looking for an answer here. how do we post and not get edited? where do i download the rule book? can i get it in .pdf so i can read it when i have time? there seems to be quite a few rules not all of us are aware of....

[cracker]

Thank you Mike,

A very VALID inquiry.

[Kejtar]

ok. so here on NAXJA we have the tech forums, the off topic forum, the pic forum, even the Den for the innapropriate stuff that is just too good not to share.

then we have the chapter forums.
i was under the impression that the chapter forums were for the BS chit-chat with your buddies type of stuff, but it appears as of late that is not the case. apparently some people dont want the normal day to day banter in here anymore.

so i ask you, oh glorious all mighty BOD, WTF is the point of the SoCal chapter forum then? is it just to say "hey, i need help working on my rig" or "im going out to so and so trail who's with me?" type of crap only? i consider every single person ive met in this group a close personal friend, and i enjoy the little back and forth chit chat we have here... i dont understand why that bothers some of you. i think it has brought quite a few of us alot closer together. i know i wouldnt know Andy as well, to name one person, or even Rick for that matter, if it wasnt for the everyday blah blah blah that goes on here.


please, let me know if i am out of line, or just delete this post if its in the wrong forum :rolleyes: ... i just want to know, what is OK and what is not? is our chapter forum only for who's going where and whos working on what type of discussion?

i just dont get it :dunno:
-G

PS: before i get a damn PM about hurting someones damn feelings im not trying to single anyone out, and i held back alot of harsh things i felt like saying, so please, im just looking for an answer here. how do we post and not get edited? where do i download the rule book? can i get it in .pdf so i can read it when i have time? there seems to be quite a few rules not all of us are aware of....


Hang on Grimm. Weren't you standing there today when we were talking about this and I've made the comment that chapter forum for the post part is for BS and chit chat of folks and pretty much just the tech does not belong here? Yes there were folks that have recently complained about things and yes there were attempts at making things work out for everyone and it's not an easy process.

I hope that clarifies some things ;)

[silverslk]

Remi, Mike finished off a couple beers after the event. One 24oz bottle even had 10.2% alcohol. excuse him if it forgot. haha

[Kejtar]

Remi, Mike finished off a couple beers after the event. One 24oz bottle even had 10.2% alcohol. excuse him if it forgot. haha
I thought it was old age thing ;)

[GrimmJeeper]

Hang on Grimm. Weren't you standing there today when we were talking about this and I've made the comment that chapter forum for the post part is for BS and chit chat of folks and pretty much just the tech does not belong here? yes i was standing there, no i wasnt listening, i was playing tekken4 on my ps2 :D i didnt come out today to discuss edrama that is going on here on the interweb, i went to hang out with my friends and have a good time which i did.

:cheers:

[cds36]

ok. so here on NAXJA we have the tech forums, the off topic forum, the pic forum, even the Den for the innapropriate stuff that is just too good not to share.

then we have the chapter forums.
i was under the impression that the chapter forums were for the BS chit-chat with your buddies type of stuff, but it appears as of late that is not the case. apparently some people dont want the normal day to day banter in here anymore.

so i ask you, oh glorious all mighty BOD, WTF is the point of the SoCal chapter forum then? is it just to say "hey, i need help working on my rig" or "im going out to so and so trail who's with me?" type of crap only? i consider every single person ive met in this group a close personal friend, and i enjoy the little back and forth chit chat we have here... i dont understand why that bothers some of you. i think it has brought quite a few of us alot closer together. i know i wouldnt know Andy as well, to name one person, or even Rick for that matter, if it wasnt for the everyday blah blah blah that goes on here.


please, let me know if i am out of line, or just delete this post if its in the wrong forum :rolleyes: ... i just want to know, what is OK and what is not? is our chapter forum only for who's going where and whos working on what type of discussion?

i just dont get it :dunno:
-G

PS: before i get a damn PM about hurting someones damn feelings im not trying to single anyone out, and i held back alot of harsh things i felt like saying, so please, im just looking for an answer here. how do we post and not get edited? where do i download the rule book? can i get it in .pdf so i can read it when i have time? there seems to be quite a few rules not all of us are aware of....

Shoot I know most of you through the forum posts only, I dont mind the regular chit-chat at all, I know I actually look forward to it, sometimes the forum are pretty damm boring and thats why I post up some things that are off the wall, not related to Xj's altought I was in my heep when I got hit up by that Sweet Hunny in da hood !!!

I Only met Grimm twice for very short times but I have Shot the Shit more with him in the forum than I have meeting him in person. I just cant see how some can complain about certain threads when you can skip them by a push of a button. There's no gun to your head forcing you to read a post that you dont like.

It pretty silly if you think about it :tears:

[Kejtar]

yes i was standing there, no i wasnt listening, i was playing tekken4 on my ps2 :D i didnt come out today to discuss edrama that is going on here on the interweb, i went to hang out with my friends and have a good time which i did.

:cheers:
Discussion of it wasn't planned but it came up as a topic for a few moments then we moved on to happy things (like EZ lockers ;) ). Anyways, I figured you were part of it (hey... I was beat after this past week.. it was somewhat hellish for me so I have not noticed that you weren't paying attention: I just know that you were right there :D)

Anyways, does my post above answer your quetsion in regards to my stance?

[GrimmJeeper]

Anyways, does my post above answer your quetsion in regards to my stance? yes, and thank you for your answer.

[cracker]

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I did not see any rules against chit chat with friends. :dunno:

[GrimmJeeper]

damnit i said .pdf!

:D

oh, nice... i can see a couple of those that have been completely ignored.. selective moderation i guess?

and not to bring up the whole cpt Ron thing again but what about this rule here: Personal attacks directed toward another Forum participant will not be tolerated.

Threats of bodily harm or other threatened consequences are not permitted and will be deleted without warning. A first violation will result in a suspension of Forum privileges for a period established by the Board of Directors, but not to exceed one (1) month. A second violation will result in permanent revocation of Forum privileges. telling me i should die doesnt fall under this rule?

and you wonder why people are a bit edgy lately...

[cracker]

damnit i said .pdf!

:D

:doh:

I can print it and bind it for you :)

Do I get bonus points if I deliver it personally? :D

[Kejtar]

I did not see any rules against chit chat with friends. :dunno:
And who said it's not allowed? :confused:

[cracker]

And who said it's not allowed? :confused:

i was under the impression that the chapter forums were for the BS chit-chat with your buddies type of stuff, but it appears as of late that is not the case. apparently some people dont want the normal day to day banter in here anymore.

[djblade311]

well chit....chat chit is crust crazy. I need to go take a chit and chat stuff stinks.

sorry couldnt resist.

I'm all for chit chat. If some ppl think that the threads are lame....go to JU.

[rpraterxj]

Hey Mike,

Great thread. This is probably the way, or similar, I should have started a few days ago. I sent you PM with some info from me.

I agree that we need to be very clear on what is and what is not allowed. i believe Remi did a good job stating it. We will get a sticky thread soon with it greater detail.

please know I was never trying to be a jerk to anyone and I never, or try not to, make decision based on personal insight. I try to veiw things as a whole. I know I have failed the membership as a president, but I still haev a few months in my term. During this time i intened to correct some of my mistakes. I can correct them all though. I do want to man-up and admit my fault with unfairly moderating some threads.

One of my goals to help keep the flames down when there is an issue. It extremely difficult at times.

I do want folks to PM when they have issues, complaints, comments, or compliments. I need to know what works and doesn't work. Turst, I found out a few things this weekend that doesn't work.

Now, I trust that 97% or more of the folks in this group mean no harm in their posts. Some folks are a little more rough around the edges while others are too good for thier own shoes. I believe I have fallen in each of these within my time here.

I want this to be a place to BS, ask for help, sell your personl things, and all of that. The biggest thing I think that is missing is a respect for each other.

I know this can change. I am certain that it will. It will take a little time and alot of trust. It may also take a little slack.... for me... LOL. When I do something, as the prez, and you (anyone) has aquestion about it, PM. You can make some sort of post as well, something like "PMi'ng for clarification." part of the problem seems to be a wagon affect. People want to jump onboard and fire away, but don't ask why.

The other day I responded stupidly and made a response like something becoming clear in due time or some crap like that. I have to admit that was dumb. I don't even remember what I was referring to, but I do know that I want a better chapter and I know we can get there.

So, for everyone I may have ticked off, discouraged, frazzled, or whatever, I AM SORRY!!!!

Thanks again Mike for this thread.

[xcm]

cant we all just get along?
srsly, this is the 2nd day in a row ive heard of scandalous allegations here on naxja

[crazyjim]

I just wanted to know where my Lotus thread went? Or rather WHY it went. I think that's the issue. Shit just up and disappears around here, like it grows legs. No notice, no warning, not even a PM from the mod that removed it stating a reason...

[Jump This]

Believe me when I tell all this IS being worked on.

If I were God, things would be different, but I'm not (suprising isn't it?)

I'd rather just get started. I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that it could be solved in a very short period of time.

Damn it...I need to be in the garage, not typing in front of my computer.
You all do your chit chat about this subject, and if I have time later, I'll check in on it....


:D

[cracker]

I just wanted to know where my Lotus thread went? Or rather WHY it went. I think that's the issue. Shit just up and disappears around here, like it grows legs. No notice, no warning, not even a PM from the mod that removed it stating a reason...

Good question Jim.

[tcm glx]

I'm all for chit chat. If some ppl think that the threads are lame....go to JU.


Grimm, glad you brought it up!

Josh, the belly dancing king has said it best!!

[tcm glx]

Hey Mike,

Great thread. This is probably the way, or similar, I should have started a few days ago. I sent you PM with some info from me.

I agree that we need to be very clear on what is and what is not allowed. i believe Remi did a good job stating it. We will get a sticky thread soon with it greater detail.

please know I was never trying to be a jerk to anyone and I never, or try not to, make decision based on personal insight. I try to veiw things as a whole. I know I have failed the membership as a president, but I still haev a few months in my term. During this time i intened to correct some of my mistakes. I can correct them all though. I do want to man-up and admit my fault with unfairly moderating some threads.

One of my goals to help keep the flames down when there is an issue. It extremely difficult at times.

I do want folks to PM when they have issues, complaints, comments, or compliments. I need to know what works and doesn't work. Turst, I found out a few things this weekend that doesn't work.

Now, I trust that 97% or more of the folks in this group mean no harm in their posts. Some folks are a little more rough around the edges while others are too good for thier own shoes. I believe I have fallen in each of these within my time here.

I want this to be a place to BS, ask for help, sell your personl things, and all of that. The biggest thing I think that is missing is a respect for each other.

I know this can change. I am certain that it will. It will take a little time and alot of trust. It may also take a little slack.... for me... LOL. When I do something, as the prez, and you (anyone) has aquestion about it, PM. You can make some sort of post as well, something like "PMi'ng for clarification." part of the problem seems to be a wagon affect. People want to jump onboard and fire away, but don't ask why.

The other day I responded stupidly and made a response like something becoming clear in due time or some crap like that. I have to admit that was dumb. I don't even remember what I was referring to, but I do know that I want a better chapter and I know we can get there.

So, for everyone I may have ticked off, discouraged, frazzled, or whatever, I AM SORRY!!!!

Thanks again Mike for this thread.



Prater, on my behalf, I thank you for being open, and working on getting the forums in tip top shape! Its a thankless job, and will never make everyone happy, but I can appreciate the work and balance you are yrying to bring!!

Gracias!!

[Skwerly]

<--- Leans back, hands folded behind his head, watches closely.

I love the BSing we have here, I don't see a lot of it on the other chapter forums, and folks from those chapters have voiced that THEY love our BSing over here, as well. This is the medium we use to keep in touch, and without it we will just be emailing and calling the friends we already have in the club, and newbies stand little chance of being part of the "family".

That's fine for the Yahoo email type groups, but this is a quality forum that folks PAY for :).

Ok, that's it for me, dropping out haha. Good work everyone here, I love this club and its members. Grab a Jeep and hit the hills!

:)

[Goatman]

<--- Leans back, hands folded behind his head, watches closely.

I love the BSing we have here, I don't see a lot of it on the other chapter forums, and folks from those chapters have voiced that THEY love our BSing over here, as well. This is the medium we use to keep in touch, and without it we will just be emailing and calling the friends we already have in the club, and newbies stand little chance of being part of the "family".

That's fine for the Yahoo email type groups, but this is a quality forum that folks PAY for :).

Ok, that's it for me, dropping out haha. Good work everyone here, I love this club and its members. Grab a Jeep and hit the hills!

:)

I don't get your point. Are you saying the BS'ing is good, or that it's good for Egroups but not good for here?

Personally, I don't get into the day to day chit chat and bantering, I'm just not into that type of entertainment. I also think it tends to clutter up the forum, move more meaningful threads off the front page where they can be seen, and can be annoying. However, I would never keep that from going on as that is what is enjoyable and meaningful to some of the members. I do think, though, that those who do that stuff have some respect for those of us that don't care for it and try to not way over do the chit chat, just as we can have respect for those that like the chit chat and not bitch about it. We just don't read those threads, so it really doesn't matter. Hopefully, no important info gets buried in those threads that many of us will never read.

As far as the chapter leadership being real clear on what is allowed and what is not..........good luck. There's just too much gray area, and there always will be. My view is the same as it always has been, I don't believe in moderating threads unless they are clearly outside the parameters, meaning blatant. If one person could see it one way and another person see it another way, then it's not clear enough and the thread should be left. I always hate situations where the fix is worse than the percieved problem.......like deleting threads that are borderline and then having to deal with the reaction and resulting attitude and endless discussion. If it's bad enough or clear enough to act on, then act and don't discuss. If it's not that clear, then leave it alone.

[Skwerly]

No, I'm saying just receiving a few emails on "how to fix this or that" or "when this run or that run is happening" is fine for the e-groups, but NOT for us. This forum has a family type feel, and although it does go overboard at times, so does any family.

It's not just the net, remember, it's real LIFE, and sometimes it don't go as planned :).

We are people, and we love to have fun but will have bad days along with the good ones. If someone on the forum is REGULARLY being offensive or starting trouble, they should be dealt with backchannel by a Moderator, not publicly attacked by a bunch of grown men acting like schoolgirls :).

Rock on, NAXJA! ♫

[Darky]

damnit i said .pdf!

:D

oh, nice... i can see a couple of those that have been completely ignored.. selective moderation i guess?

and not to bring up the whole cpt Ron thing again but what about this rule here: telling me i should die doesnt fall under this rule?[/COLOR][/FONT]

and you wonder why people are a bit edgy lately...
But Capt Ron's a really nice guy in person, he just gets to drinkin and can't be held accountable. But don't worry, his wife said she'll do a better job containing him...


;)
Did I got that right? That's the line why he's different, right?

[GrimmJeeper]

But Capt Ron's a really nice guy in person, he just gets to drinkin and can't be held accountable. But don't worry, his wife said she'll do a better job containing him...


;)
Did I got that right? That's the line why he's different, right?maybe i should start posting angry when im drunk and see if that gets ignored.

im betting it wont. why should it be up to his wife to keep him in line? that makes no sense to me.

[Skwerly]

Heck no, it wouldn't - it would start a war, and everyone here knows it.

[Kejtar]

here is the deal: if someone feels that a post gets out of line use a report thread icon (little exclamation mark up in the right hand corner of each post) and say why you are reporting. Notice goes to mods and they evaluate it.
A comment was made about certain things sliding by. Well that's true but that's because we don't read all the posts. Things that we are made aware of get attention. Things we are no aware of.... well, they slide by.

So if something is not kosher in a post and is not reported, understand that is why it might not get any attention.

[cal]

here is the deal: if someone feels that a post gets out of line use a report thread icon (little exclamation mark up in the right hand corner of each post) and say why you are reporting. Notice goes to mods and they evaluate it.
A comment was made about certain things sliding by. Well that's true but that's because we don't read all the posts. Things that we are made aware of get attention. Things we are no aware of.... well, they slide by.

So if something is not kosher in a post and is not reported, understand that is why it might not get any attention.

What about the ones that don't get reported but do get attention? ;)

[Kittrell]

Chiming in cause I want to feel important. My chapter forum is for anything local. Trail runs, chit chat, tech, my dog died. I figure thats pretty much why we have the chapter. So people local to you can help, sympathize, insult, laugh, whatever the situation calls for. Depending on how blatant the infraction is, I might not tell you when/why I deleted your thread. But that doesn't happen very often. I don't have many complaints. And usually the ones I get are from the blatant pot stirrers. Thats all I got

Colorado Chapter Out!

[Kejtar]

What about the ones that don't get reported but do get attention? ;)
if it breaks rules it gets attention. Sometimes the report is a call, pm or IM. Sometimes it just happens to get spotted.

[Jump This]

Chiming in cause I want to feel important. My chapter forum is for anything local. Trail runs, chit chat, tech, my dog died. I figure thats pretty much why we have the chapter. So people local to you can help, sympathize, insult, laugh, whatever the situation calls for. Depending on how blatant the infraction is, I might not tell you when/why I deleted your thread. But that doesn't happen very often. I don't have many complaints. And usually the ones I get are from the blatant pot stirrers. Thats all I got

Colorado Chapter Out!


That is the way I think it should be done.....but I'm just a small grain of sand in the vastness of the dunes.....
:D

[cal]

if it breaks rules it gets attention. Sometimes the report is a call, pm or IM. Sometimes it just happens to get spotted.

And this leads us back to the same question, which rules? What rule did mike-g break with the picture of his dinner? Where was the broken rule in the lotus thread?

[cracker]

if it breaks rules it gets attention. Sometimes the report is a call, pm or IM. Sometimes it just happens to get spotted.
You need to be removed from ALL moderation.

You are clueless........

[Kejtar]

You need to be removed from ALL moderation.

You are clueless........
Cracker, this is getting old: why don't you get off my back? You have an issue with me then pickup the phone and call me.

[cal]

Cracker, this is getting old: why don't you get off my back? You have an issue with me then pickup the phone and call me.

He is bringing up what he feels is valid chapter business?

or is that against the rules now too?

[Kejtar]

And this leads us back to the same question, which rules? What rule did mike-g break with the picture of his dinner? Where was the broken rule in the lotus thread?
Lets see if I can reason through this: threads were deleted and then they came back which means that they were too hastily deletd. So which rule was broken? NO RULE. Does that make sense or can we get of this dead horse and move forward?

What 91 posted is more or less what we are after too. Are errors sometimes made? Yes. As I said before the general guideline I have for chapter forum that I go by is as follows:
Tech goes to appropriate tech forum.
Rest as long as its not vulgar and relates to folks hangin out in OC is ok (exception I take is to threads where folks BS about some stuff they found elsewhere I.e. making fun of some stupid ebay ad or smething like that: those go to non tech).
I do not tolerate foul language on the forums (that is against forum rules).

[cal]

Lets see if I can reason through this: threads were deleted and then they came back which means that they were too hastily deletd. So which rule was broken? NO RULE. Does that make sense or can we get of this dead horse and move forward?

But then it happens again a week or two later. Its not a dead horse until its ancient history, and as we are still talking about the last 48 hours..


What 91 posted is more or less what we are after too.


Thats not the impression in userland.


Are errors sometimes made? Yes.

As often as not is not "sometimes". While not entirely accurate, it would not be a far shot to say "Are mistakes usually made? Yes."



As I said before the general guideline I have for chapter forum that I go by is as follows:
Tech goes to appropriate tech forum.
Rest as long as its not vulgar and relates to folks hangin out in OC is ok (exception I take is to threads where folks BS about some stuff they found elsewhere I.e. making fun of some stupid ebay ad or smething like that: those go to non tech).
I do not tolerate foul language on the forums (that is against forum rules).


I can't speak for others, but when -I- see that guideline followed, I'll back off. Its not what I have seen up to here.

Constructive critism was ignored. Outright critisism was deleted until there is a public outcry. rpraterxj seems to have finally seen eye to eye with me, but until you do, I will make my point in a manner that I see fit, and I'm pretty sure cracker will do the same.

If he feels you are unfit to moderate the chapter forum, as a member of this chapter he will DAMN WELL BE PERMITED TO STATE IT HERE. If you disagree with his views, RESPOND HERE.

I was not ok with "chit chat" suddenly being taboo in the chapter forum, I made my point publicly which lead to constructive private discussion - but the minute chapter business is not allowed in the chapter forum, I will be the first to call for political action.

[cracker]

Cracker, this is getting old: why don't you get off my back? You have an issue with me then pickup the phone and call me.
I have ZERO issue with you as a person. In fact I believe you are an ASSET to the club with his enthusiasm and outgoing personality and even technical knowledge BUT in regards to administration I am one of your largest critics. Don't let my administrative criticism or the fact that I believe that you are the ‘worst moderator ever’ confuse you. I REALLY do like you Remi as a person, just not as a leader and definitely NOT as a moderator.

A good leader would realize their faults and know when to back down or even step down.

[GSequoia]

Personally I'd prefer to see a return to the way the chapter forum used to run.

I moderated this forum for just about two and a half years, not counting things like sticking and unsticking threads about events and such I think I used my moderator powers maybe half a dozen times, and just about all of those were responding to reports (although I did not take action on all reports) or outright killing stuff that was way over the line. You know what? There was never any administration drama during that entire period.


That is also how I moderate the Non Tech forum, the only time I take pre-emptive strikes there is when a thread is going to go up in flames (ie, political smears, overtly racist, etc). I think it's been working well and would work well here.


Sequoia

(for those that don't know I'm the ex, ex-chapter president.)

[Kejtar]

here is the deal. I di not delete those threads. I did not moderate those threads. I feel the belong here. How many times does it have to be said till it is understood? that is why I feel Cracker is on my case for an unknow reason and I asked him to call me.

Honestly this whole thing started with some complaints thatwere voiced about lack of moderation. Let me ask thisquestion: lets go back two weeks. Were things acceptable then? If not what was wrong?

[GSequoia]

here is the deal. I di not delete those threads.

Don't care who did, I'm being very general here.

lets go back two weeks. Were things acceptable then?

Where they?

I don't know, I was too busy dealing with a move, a renovation, and a baby on the way! As I just said I'm speaking more generally here, for the past three (?) years I've seen this forum get more and more formal, I kinda liked the old relaxed anything goes (except direct rule violations, of course) atmosphere and would like to see it return.

I also think that our casual attitude on a whole, including with events (of which every official event I've been to, which is all except the last Big Bear event have been run very well but kept a casual feeling) is one of the biggest reasons we've been the star in the chapter success stories. Look at our books, in the past five years we've probably made more money than the other chapters combined.

People don't like rigid, overly formal things, myself included. If this chapter gets too formal you'll likely see less and less of me, which is a benefit but others will probably follow ;)

[cal]

Two weeks? Have you had your eyes closed for the last several months of on and off drama?

This issue has gone on far longer than the last two weeks. Its been long enough that it feels like forever.

The socal forum gets zero moderation for months on end, and then it will suddenly be over moderated for a short period only to be ignored again.

If you are going to moderate, be consistent in it on a day to day basis (and do not tell me that has been the case!). When I say "you", I mean our elected chapter representatives or those the president chooses to have moderate in the elected seats stead (as the case could be but is not).

I have already laid out in long and painstaking detail exactly where my problems are with the current chapters administration (but mind you, not the people behind it). The chapter president has that information at his finger tips, ask him to share it with you. I'm not really feeling up to typing it all again just before beer:30, - its a series of very long PM's.

[cal]

http://www.shadowco.org/~cal/drama.jpg

[Jump This]

http://www.shadowco.org/~cal/drama.jpg

You know Cal?....I'm just wondering here....wondering 'out loud' I guess......Has anything, that you don't have to house break, EVER followed
you home?

:D

[Darky]

I haven't really had any problem. Yeah, a couple threads got deleted but then they came back. I didn't know they were there, deleted or renewed. I saw the threads asking where they went and was like, um, it's right below this thread. In the forum rules it states your post can be deleted at any time with or without explanation. If your thread gets deleted, PM the moderators and ask. I'm kinda tired of all the where's my thread threads.

[TheWarWagon]

http://www.thegiant.org/wiki/images/9/96/Bigbrotheriswatchingyou.gif:scared:

[Kittrell]

What 91 posted is more or less what we are after too.

I'd say less reading your response. If it's local guys talking I don't care what it's about. Some ebay ad they found amusing, they picked their nose today, tech about anything at all, it all stays. As long as it's my local guys chattin' about it, and it doesn't offend my delicate sensibilities, it stays. Moving tech the the appropriate forum? Local guys talking tech about their rigs isn't appropriate here? Thats shitty.

[Kejtar]

I'd say less reading your response. If it's local guys talking I don't care what it's about. Some ebay ad they found amusing, they picked their nose today, tech about anything at all, it all stays. As long as it's my local guys chattin' about it, and it doesn't offend my delicate sensibilities, it stays. Moving tech the the appropriate forum? Local guys talking tech about their rigs isn't appropriate here? Thats shitty.
It's really not that simple. Front page of the chapter has posts that are about 20 hours old or less. We have a lot of traffic here and having a tech post like this one: http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=963313 makes all the chapter stuff go out of sight real fast. Not everyone is on here as much as some of other people. Look on the other hand here: http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=963147 This thread deals with making sure you're legit with CA rules. Post changed into a tech post but it's relating to what we have to deal in SoCal (or in general in CA) and IMHO is very appropriate.

[Kittrell]

It really IS that simple though. I have no problem with that first linked thread being in my chapter. It's obviously a local guy, new to the XJ scene. He is trying to learn a little more about his rig, and is looking for direction for the local contingent, why should that be moved? For the most part someone building their rig for SoCal is gonna go a different route than someone in Colorado. So it will serve him better to have the thread local than out there for the whole of NAXJA to give him opinions and ideas that don't really suit his demographic...................:dunno:

Stuff getting bumped off the first page, who cares. Read back three pages. Too much effort? Guess you're SOL.............:cheers:

[GrimmJeeper]

Stuff getting bumped off the first page, who cares. Read back three pages. Too much effort? Guess you're SOL.............:cheers: agreed.

too much whining lately..... awww theres too many new posts for me to read boohoo...

have you guys LOOKED at how many posts we have here in the socal chapter compared to the other chapters? we have more than twice as many posts and topics than any of the other chapters! this is a very popular section of the forums, and im sorry, but if you dont check here once a day you might miss something, or have to go back 3 or 4 pages to find the oldest post you missed. we have way to many members and visitors here to expect things to stay front page for long.

[djblade311]

So it seems to me that the solutions that "should" make most ppl happy would be:

1. don't micro-moderate. IE: anything about tech, your rash, non-XJ related, etc should be left alone. Moderation should only occur when its a hard-core cussing match, racist, threats, or anything that offends more than 1 person. So if we get one reported post once, it may get ignored unless multiple ppl report it.

2. be respectful to each other and play nice.

And thats it?

Robert has already apologized for moving/deleting threads so lets put that instance behind us. So if mods dont move any threads that may be tech or off-topic, people will need to accept it and dont complain later on that there's too much crap in the forums.

[cal]

So it seems to me that the solutions that "should" make most ppl happy would be:

1. don't micro-moderate. IE: anything about tech, your rash, non-XJ related, etc should be left alone. Moderation should only occur when its a hard-core cussing match, racist, threats, or anything that offends more than 1 person. So if we get one reported post once, it may get ignored unless multiple ppl report it.

2. be respectful to each other and play nice.

And thats it?



I think we may be on the same page there.


Robert has already apologized for moving/deleting threads so lets put that instance behind us. So if mods dont move any threads that may be tech or off-topic, people will need to accept it and dont complain later on that there's too much crap in the forums.

We'd be on the same page here if we didn't still have a moderator stating his intent to act different than posted 8 lines up.

[Jump This]

So it seems to me that the solutions that "should" make most ppl happy would be:

1. don't micro-moderate. IE: anything about tech, your rash, non-XJ related, etc should be left alone. Moderation should only occur when its a hard-core cussing match, racist, threats, or anything that offends more than 1 person. So if we get one reported post once, it may get ignored unless multiple ppl report it.

2. be respectful to each other and play nice.

And thats it?

Robert has already apologized for moving/deleting threads so lets put that instance behind us. So if mods dont move any threads that may be tech or off-topic, people will need to accept it and dont complain later on that there's too much crap in the forums.


THATS IT!!

[GSequoia]

we have more than twice as many posts and topics than any of the other chapters!

That's because we have you.

[GSequoia]

So it seems to me that the solutions that "should" make most ppl happy would be:

1. don't micro-moderate. IE: anything about tech, your rash, non-XJ related, etc should be left alone. Moderation should only occur when its a hard-core cussing match, racist, threats, or anything that offends more than 1 person. So if we get one reported post once, it may get ignored unless multiple ppl report it.

2. be respectful to each other and play nice.

And thats it?

Robert has already apologized for moving/deleting threads so lets put that instance behind us. So if mods dont move any threads that may be tech or off-topic, people will need to accept it and dont complain later on that there's too much crap in the forums.

You deserve a nice juicy cookie.

[GrimmJeeper]

That's because we have you. oh snap?


:D

[cracker]

It's really not that simple. Front page of the chapter has posts that are about 20 hours old or less. We have a lot of traffic here and having a tech post like this one: http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=963313 makes all the chapter stuff go out of sight real fast. Not everyone is on here as much as some of other people. Look on the other hand here: http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=963147 This thread deals with making sure you're legit with CA rules. Post changed into a tech post but it's relating to what we have to deal in SoCal (or in general in CA) and IMHO is very appropriate.

FAIL (http://www.naxja.org/forum/showpost.php?p=408829&postcount=13)

[cracker]

So it seems to me that the solutions that "should" make most ppl happy would be:

1. don't micro-moderate. IE: anything about tech, your rash, non-XJ related, etc should be left alone. Moderation should only occur when its a hard-core cussing match, racist, threats, or anything that offends more than 1 person. So if we get one reported post once, it may get ignored unless multiple ppl report it.

2. be respectful to each other and play nice.

And thats it?

Robert has already apologized for moving/deleting threads so lets put that instance behind us. So if mods dont move any threads that may be tech or off-topic, people will need to accept it and dont complain later on that there's too much crap in the forums.


PASS....A+

[TheWarWagon]

Damnit josh, you're going to diffuse the drama-bomb so many people have been hoping for. :nono: :twak:








btw: I agree with you :D

[Skwerly]

So it seems to me that the solutions that "should" make most ppl happy would be:

1. don't micro-moderate. IE: anything about tech, your rash, non-XJ related, etc should be left alone. Moderation should only occur when its a hard-core cussing match, racist, threats, or anything that offends more than 1 person. So if we get one reported post once, it may get ignored unless multiple ppl report it.

2. be respectful to each other and play nice.

And thats it?

Robert has already apologized for moving/deleting threads so lets put that instance behind us. So if mods dont move any threads that may be tech or off-topic, people will need to accept it and dont complain later on that there's too much crap in the forums.

I challenge anyone here to say that better! Perfect post.
I remember when I was new (and waaay too overly excited about stuff), I would post up anything and EVERYTHING happening with my XJ, or with a run. I wasn't run off the forums, and within a week or two I knew how the place was supposed to be operated. We MUST (this is not optional), MUST set a good, friendly example for the new users - period!