It will pay to put the old in..READ IT

[scottmcneal]

A president's pension currently is $191,300 per year, until he is 80 years old.

Assuming the next president lives to age 80, Sen. McCain would receive ZERO pension as he would reach 80 at the end of two terms as president. Sen. Obama would be retired for 26 years after two terms and would receive $4,973,800 in pension.

Therefore it would certainly make economic sense to elect McCain in November.

Now that's a non-partisan way to make a decision, isn't it???



Now this isn't being rude is it?

[bjoehandley]

Never thought of it that way...................

[scottmcneal]

It is outside the box.... LOL

[alex22]

not to mention the Secrete Service bill to protect former presidents, not sure on the annual cost of that but it cant be cheap.

~Alex

[JNickel101]

I still hope Obama gets sent a bill for his use of Secret Service protection ($39,000 per day) if/when he loses this election. Pretty sure the amount of fund raising he's been able to do can cover that....

[red91]

not to mention the Secrete Service bill to protect former presidents, not sure on the annual cost of that but it cant be cheap.

~Alex


It's no longer for the life of pres. it's been narrowed down to, I think, 10 years afterwards or something like that.

[ZacSquatch]

It's no longer for the life of pres. it's been narrowed down to, I think, 10 years afterwards or something like that.

woudlnt it be cheaper to hire a merc. sniper to drop that down to 5 or less

[scottmcneal]

Secret Service protection ..... We have them out here still for the priz wifes.. For what thats worth... We have all kinds of them that come to palm springs..

[DWK]

Yeah, and if he increases the deficeit by another TRILLION dollers? Or continues the Iraq war for, as McCain put it, a HUNDRED YEARS @ the going rate of TEN BILLION A YEAR. . .


Yeah, it totally makes economic sense to put the old in.

[Ray H]

Does anyone really think Obama will live much past "I do Solemnly Swear"?

[red91]

Does anyone really think Obama will live much past "I do Solemnly Swear"?


it harkens of the days when JFK was up and coming and riding in a convertible...

I got $100.00 says he won't be anywhere near a "grassy knoll".


:eyes:

[Ray H]

it harkens of the days when JFK was up and coming and riding in a convertible...

I got $100.00 says he won't be anywhere near a "grassy knoll".


:eyes:

He'll be standing next to a "sassy hole".:):):)

[red91]

He'll be standing next to a "sassy ho" .:):):)


Please be accurate/ Thank you !

[Ray H]

Please be accurate/ Thank you !

Sorry, it didnt ryme with knoll.

[DrMoab]

Yeah, and if he increases the deficeit by another TRILLION dollers? Or continues the Iraq war for, as McCain put it, a HUNDRED YEARS @ the going rate of TEN BILLION A YEAR. . .

You are a dumb ass. He never said we would keep the war going for a hundred years, he said we "might" keep troops there for a hundred years.

Ever heard of Korea?

If you are going to spew all over this site...at least spew correct info.

[DWK]

You are a dumb ass. He never said we would keep the war going for a hundred years, he said we "might" keep troops there for a hundred years.

Ever heard of Korea?

If you are going to spew all over this site...at least spew correct info.

Yes, I spent a year there serving in the military, thank you. And we aren't at war at the moment with Iraq, yet that still is the current cost. Dumbass.

How about this for spewing correct info (and BTW, you all can take the same advice when "spewing" about Obama)

"Bomb, bomb, bomb. Bomb, bomb Iran"

Who said that? I wonder how many billions we could spend on that and how that would affect our economy?

[DrMoab]

Yes, I spent a year there serving in the military, thank you. And we aren't at war at the moment with Iraq, yet that still is the current cost. Dumbass.

How about this for spewing correct info (and BTW, you all can take the same advice when "spewing" about Obama)

"Bomb, bomb, bomb. Bomb, bomb Iran"

Who said that? I wonder how many billions we could spend on that and how that would affect our economy?
Thanks for serving. You are still a dumb ass and you still spewed incorrect info about what he said.

Honestly we should bomb Iran. We should turn it into a nuke wasteland. Along with every other little pissant third world country that wants us dead.

BTW, Only a year? I thought it was don't ask don't tell. Who did you tell?

[Ray H]

Whats the biggest monitary expense of the war in the middleast? Anyone know?
I dont think the war is as expensive as the number make it out to be.
Most of the troops over there would be over here if they werent there. We would still be paying them, feeding them and training them. Anyone who has been in the military knows it doesnt just shut down and go wait in a closet for war. there are huge expenses paid on a daily basis to keep our troops on payroll and to keep their training up to date.
I have to laugh whenever I see huge numbers thrown out there (and people that actually believe them) because after 8 years in the military I can tell you, its not free to have a standing military. My relatively educated guess is you can cut whatever number is fed to you by the media by about 2/3rds and come up with an accurate price tag for the war.

Oh yeah, fat chance the media or democrats are taking the cost of a standing military into consideration when they throw those numbers out there.

[red91]

I see an explosion somewhere in Utah tonight....

[DWK]

Thanks for serving.


BTW, Only a year? I thought it was don't ask don't tell. Who did you tell?


Your sincerity for my service is overwhelming. Conservative sincerity like yours is probably why our veteran health care is so super.

Did you serve? Or find out about "don't ask, don't tell" a little too late?

[JNickel101]

Your sincerity for my service is overwhelming. Conservative sincerity like yours is probably why our veteran health care is so super.

Did you serve? Or find out about "don't ask, don't tell" a little too late?

Seriously dude....you're being an ass. No one wants to hear your crying.

[JNickel101]

Whats the biggest monitary expense of the war in the middleast? Anyone know?
I dont think the war is as expensive as the number make it out to be.
Most of the troops over there would be over here if they werent there. We would still be paying them, feeding them and training them. Anyone who has been in the military knows it doesnt just shut down and go wait in a closet for war. there are huge expenses paid on a daily basis to keep our troops on payroll and to keep their training up to date.
I have to laugh whenever I see huge numbers thrown out there (and people that actually believe them) because after 8 years in the military I can tell you, its not free to have a standing military. My relatively educated guess is you can cut whatever number is fed to you by the media by about 2/3rds and come up with an accurate price tag for the war.

Oh yeah, fat chance the media or democrats are taking the cost of a standing military into consideration when they throw those numbers out there.

My guess would be all the civilian contractors....

[DWK]

Seriously dude....you're being an ass. No one wants to hear your crying.

Yeah, this WAS about what I was expecting. I see post after post talking shit about Obama and how XXXXed the country will be if he gets elected (which I'm not worried about, Diebold has already determined the outcome). I wanted to see what would happen if there was some liberal post.

I really like this site, WHEN it's kept to talking about XJ's, and I'm getting tired of all the conservative bullshit.

[DrMoab]

Your sincerity for my service is overwhelming. Conservative sincerity like yours is probably why our veteran health care is so super.

Damn, you caught me.

You are right, I could care less that you served.

[DrMoab]

I really like this site, WHEN it's kept to talking about XJ's, and I'm getting tired of all the conservative bullshit.
There is a reason people on here tend to be conservative. It is because they also like XJ's, like talking about XJ's and most importantly, like WHEELING in their XJ's.

The whole liberal mindset is bassackwards to what about 80% of the people on NAXJA stands for. They are like that because they do not want to see their wheeling areas closed.

It astounds me that someone could come on here, truly like XJ's and like to be able to use them off-road and be able to vote for someone that wants to take it all away.

[DWK]

There is a reason people on here tend to be conservative. It is because they also like XJ's, like talking about XJ's and most importantly, like WHEELING in their XJ's.

The whole liberal mindset is bassackwards to what about 80% of the people on NAXJA stands for. They are like that because they do not want to see their wheeling areas closed.

It astounds me that someone could come on here, truly like XJ's and like to be able to use them off-road and be able to vote for someone that wants to take it all away.

The problem is that "80%" of the people here buy into the conservative BS because they think the "dirty liberal" is going to take away their Jeep.

I could be wrong, but I don't think I've read anything about Obama trying to shut trails down. I am a libereral, but I like fourwheeling. I'm also pro-death penalty, and anti gun control, among other things that aren't considered "liberal".

[DrMoab]

The problem is that "80%" of the people here buy into the conservative BS because they think the "dirty liberal" is going to take away their Jeep.

I could be wrong, but I don't think I've read anything about Obama trying to shut trails down. I am a libereral, but I like fourwheeling. I'm also pro-death penalty, and anti gun control, among other things that aren't considered "liberal".
Maybe you aren't as "liberal" as you think then.

[DWK]

Maybe you aren't as "liberal" as you think then.


Yeah, but for Utah I'm almost as liberal as you can get for being raised here. Hell, I didn't vote for Romney; if my neighbors knew I'd probably be getting death threats.
:gee:

[JNickel101]

Interestingly enough, most of the liberals on here seem to hail from Utah and Cali....

I was starting to think Utah was a pretty liberal state...?

[red91]

The problem is that "80%" of the people here buy into the conservative BS because they think the "dirty liberal" is going to take away their Jeep.

I could be wrong, but I don't think I've read anything about Obama trying to shut trails down.



You do realize that the power, Obama may or may not get, is so limited in comparison to the Legislative Branch of Government that even if he does talk a good game now it is highly unlikely that any real change will occur?

The amusing part when Clinton was Pres...it was "look how many jobs he created..." or "look what he's done for the economy"....

He created one job for an intern, who didn't get paid until after the job was finished.

Thats it. He had nothing to do with job creation, or economic stimulation.


Just because the pres is the leader of the "Free world" here in the US doesn't mean anyone else looks at it that way.

The Executive Branch of Gov. is the least powerful in comparison to the Judicial, or Legislative.

Neither new president will make an impact....

[TRNDRVR]

You are a dumb ass.....DrMoab, has somebody pooped in your wheaties lately?

You seem as of late to have some anger issues. :flamemad:

Just curious!

[fscrig75]

Man, everyone just calm down. When someone makes fun of one of the candidates whether it be Osama or McBush, they are not making fun of you. Everyone chill.

[XJEEPER]

The problem is that "80%" of the people here buy into the conservative BS because they think the "dirty liberal" is going to take away their Jeep.

I could be wrong, but I don't think I've read anything about Obama trying to shut trails down. I am a libereral, but I like fourwheeling. I'm also pro-death penalty, and anti gun control, among other things that aren't considered "liberal".



Sounds like you're more of an Independant with some conservative values.

And speaking of our lawmaker's Liberal views on OHV use, let's take a quick look at what our Liberal Congress and House members think of us and Moab. It's not so much that they want to take away our Jeep's, more like eliminate our ability to use them offroad..........educate yourself before you pull the lever.


"On another interesting note: look into the elected officials currently driving more OHV-restrictive legislation in the State of Utah, and note which states they are from and which Party they represent.
Here's a few you might recognize.......Dick Durbin, Barbara Boxer, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Charles Shumer, Hillary Clinton. Hmmm.....not 1 from Utah?"
The full lists linked below.

http://www.suwa.org/site/PageServer?...arwaCosponsors (http://www.suwa.org/site/PageServer?pagename=work_arwaCosponsors)
http://www.suwa.org/site/PageServer?...Letter_Signers (http://www.suwa.org/site/PageServer?pagename=KempthorneLetter_Signers)


http://www.wilderness.org/NewsRoom/R.../20070418c.cfm (http://www.wilderness.org/NewsRoom/Release/20070418c.cfm)

[DrMoab]

DrMoab, has somebody pooped in your wheaties lately?

You seem as of late to have some anger issues. :flamemad:

Just curious!
Naw, I'm not mad or angry in any way. I just think he is a dumb ass.

If you have a point of view you want to put forth that is true or you have something to back it up...even if I disagree with it, fine. But when people (on either side of any issue) post up statements that are out and out lies, I think they are stupid and will say something about it.

[red91]

If you have a point of view you want to put forth that is true or you have something to back it up...even if I disagree with it, fine.

I think your a well spoken, articulate person....


:D

now to find my backup....:cheers:

[buschwhaked]

Interestingly enough, most of the liberals on here seem to hail from Utah and Cali....

I was starting to think Utah was a pretty liberal state...?


Hey, I'm from Georgia and live in Colorado and I'm pretty liberal on most things...

[cal]

Yeah, and if he increases the deficeit by another TRILLION dollers? Or continues the Iraq war for, as McCain put it, a HUNDRED YEARS @ the going rate of TEN BILLION A YEAR. . .


Yeah, it totally makes economic sense to put the old in.

Damn.

You sir, are still an idiot.

[red91]

Damn.

You sir, are still an idiot.

I believe they refer to that as a "universal constant".

[cal]

I believe they refer to that as a "universal constant".

Yes, but it makes me feel so good to type it. Its like masterbation without the mess.

[IslanderOffRoad]

This guy needs his Off Topic pass revoked.

[red91]

Yes, but it makes me feel so good to type it. Its like masterbation without the mess.

He reminds me of Al Franken.
:confused1

[DrMoab]

Yes, but it makes me feel so good to type it. Its like masterbation without the mess.
Thanks for the new sig Cal. :D

[cal]

Thanks for the new sig Cal. :D

If I had a nickle for every time someone quoted me in a forum signature..


Although, I find it mildly creepy that you used bold print.

[GSequoia]

If I had a nickle for every time someone quoted me in a forum signature..

You'd be able to buy a shiny new dime?

[DrMoab]

If I had a nickle for every time someone quoted me in a forum signature..


Although, I find it mildly creepy that you used bold print.
My last one was in bold. I just cut and pasted the body of the sig. Didn't think about it turning out that way.

[cal]

You'd be able to buy a shiny new dime?

Yes, but it would be MY dime, all bought and paid for, and only the IRS could take it away from me! I mean shit howdy, with a dime I could buy enough gas to move my jeep from the back lot into the driveway. ;)

[GSequoia]

I mean shit howdy, with a dime I could buy enough gas to move my jeep from the back lot into the driveway. ;)

I trust then it's at about a 30° downgrade?

[cal]

I trust then it's at about a 30° downgrade?

I was thinking I'd use the engine only long enough to turn the wheels, and then winch it from there.

[RichP]

Whats the biggest monitary expense of the war in the middleast? Anyone know?
I dont think the war is as expensive as the number make it out to be.
Most of the troops over there would be over here if they werent there. We would still be paying them, feeding them and training them. Anyone who has been in the military knows it doesnt just shut down and go wait in a closet for war. there are huge expenses paid on a daily basis to keep our troops on payroll and to keep their training up to date.
I have to laugh whenever I see huge numbers thrown out there (and people that actually believe them) because after 8 years in the military I can tell you, its not free to have a standing military. My relatively educated guess is you can cut whatever number is fed to you by the media by about 2/3rds and come up with an accurate price tag for the war.

Oh yeah, fat chance the media or democrats are taking the cost of a standing military into consideration when they throw those numbers out there.

Yup, truth there, same with the casualty rate, it's actually higher at home than it is now in Iraq from drunk soldiers driving and training accidents.
Like aircraft carriers going on deployment vs going to war, they still loose at least 15 people a deployment from getting blown overboard by a jet engine or walking into spinning props. The most scary place I have ever been in my life was an aircraft carrier flight deck at nite during air operations walking from an aircraft I came in on to the island carrying my courier bag, at least when we left in the morning we were the only one on the ramp except for the recovery chopper.

[scottmcneal]

A president's pension currently is $191,300 per year, until he is 80 years old.

Assuming the next president lives to age 80, Sen. McCain would receive ZERO pension as he would reach 80 at the end of two terms as president. Sen. Obama would be retired for 26 years after two terms and would receive $4,973,800 in pension.

Therefore it would certainly make economic sense to elect McCain in November.

Now that's a non-partisan way to make a decision, isn't it???



Now this isn't being rude is it?


Ok folks, this is just a joke.. We need to have fun with life.. You never know when it will end, trust me you don't... So try laughing once an awhile... I love to make people laugh.. My 3 cents tonight :laugh3:

[ZacSquatch]

My guess would be all the civilian contractors....

yep