anyone near ogden?

[proskier101]

Well i am currently in tampa and have 2 positions i applied for with my Work. one in Denver and the other in ogden, UT.

Does anyone live around ogden and know what the general laws are regarding bumper height, mudflaps, etc?

also how are the trails in that area?


thanks in advance:geek:

[Israel]

Well i am currently in tampa and have 2 positions i applied for with my Work. one in Denver and the other in ogden, UT.

Does anyone live around ogden and know what the general laws are regarding bumper height, mudflaps, etc?

also how are the trails in that area?


thanks in advance:geek:

I'm a couple hours south, but in that area there is Farmington canyon that has a lot of dirt roads and areas to explore and closer to Logan is Providence canyon which is a little more difficult. Don't forget Moab which is only 4.5 hours away according to mapquest.

The only law I've had to deal with as far as bumper height goes was when I failed safety because my bumper wasn't 4.5" tall at the ends, it had a taper. I don't think there is a law regarding height off the ground for a bumper.

Mudflaps need to cover at least the top half of the tire. You will need fender flares if your tires stick out from the sides of the jeep.

[IntrepidXJ]

utah is a lot more strict on vehicle inspections than colorado....that I do know

[XJBANKER]

http://dmv.utah.gov/

You should be able to get all of the Laws for the state here on lifts and other vehilcle requirements

[proskier101]

http://dmv.utah.gov/

You should be able to get all of the Laws for the state here on lifts and other vehilcle requirements

The maximum amounts that can be charged for a safety inspection, including the certificate fee, are:

$ 9.00 for motorcycles;
$17.00 for cars, trucks, trailers, buses;
$22.00 for four-wheel drive, split axle, and any motor vehicle that necessitates disassembly of front hub or removal of rear axle for inspection.
disassembly of hub or removal of rear axle??!?! wtf?

[proskier101]

man utah laws are starting to be the suck..

and i noticed safty inspection..i use heims for steering..i dont think those are really legal.. geeze

[TRNDRVR]

Personally, I think Ogden SUCKS!!!!!

But that entirely a biased opinion.

(I think my longevity for Ogden is on a downhill slide)

[RockMonkey]

I live in Salt Lake. I spend quite a bit of time In Denver for work. Given the choice, I would probably choose Denver over Ogden. I would choose Salt Lake over Denver though.

[proskier101]

is ogden ghetto or something? lol

[ryan]

My experience is that the cops don't care about lift, tires, bumpers etc. I have been pulled over a couple of times and they don't even look (Logan UT). Judging by the rigs I see rolling around that I think look unsafe, the cops must not care!!! However, getting an old lifted XJ through safety inspections can be a pain. Tires can't stick out past fenders, mud flaps need to extend to the middle of the tire, they get grumpy when they hear an exhaust leak and if your horn doesn't work they fail you. Every year I swap stock tires on just before inspections. Looks funny but the guys at the shop don't care, they just need to cover their butts. It's kinda stupid, they would mount 35's on you one day and fail you in an inspection the next!

Colorado is way more relaxed, but when I lived there (4 years ago) you had to do emissions on the front range (Denver). No emissions in Logan UT. Not sure about emissions in Ogden.

Trails? Go south!

[cracker]

Well i am currently in tampa and have 2 positions i applied for with my Work. one in Denver and the other in ogden, UT.

Does anyone live around ogden and know what the general laws are regarding bumper height, mudflaps, etc?

also how are the trails in that area?


thanks in advance:geek:

You'll love the 14 bolt in Utah :D

[jeeperguy21]

Ogden is right next to the mountains, so you can find a place to put 'er in 4-wheel drive just a short drive away.

As far as the law goes, if I remember correctly, for an XJ's GVW (gross vehicle weight) the bottom most point of the unibody frame cannot be higher than 28 or 29 inches, which is way high. So unless you have a monster lift, you'll be fine. The thing that gets most people is the darn tires sticking out past the fenders. I too have to swap on the stockers when it comes time for inspections.

The cops around here only seem to care about mud flaps if you have a lift of 5" or higher. I got pulled over 5 times in one month while I was waiting for some flaps to arrive in the mail. Cops left a bitter taste in my mouth for that. I mean seriously... how bored are they? Ever since I put the mud flaps on, I haven't had a cop so much as give me a second glance.

If you decide on the Ogden job.... Welcome!

[proskier101]

well thanks for all the info,

and jeeperguy, my front bumper is about 32"IIRC(fl law is bumper cant be higher than 22"lol) so i think the frame rail is lower lol

[skeptic_always]

Just to chime in, I'm in Clearfield (10 min south of Ogden). I have been pulled over and received a fix-it ticket for no mudflaps. It's a hassle 'cause you have to get it fixed then get a police officer to or some such to inspect and approve the fix.

After putting flaps on, while wheeling I tore one of the flaps off. Took about a week before I got pulled over for no mud flaps. I had to get the cop to go look again to see I had one flap still on cause all he saw was the one missing and was going to write me up. To get out of another mud-flap ticket I had to explain it just happened, I had the missing flap in the back seat (I did), and was going to fix it right away.

[Gravesdiggerxj]

having grown up in southern denver and now living just south of ogden. I'd say you can't go wrong either way...
I dig Utah: people are really nice, wheeling is good, crime is low, cities are clean... Moab (4:30 hours) and ski resorts (30 minutes) are extremely close, cheap housing

It all depends on where they want to put you in Denver.
Downtown: forget it... crime and traffic and bad schools and high housing costs
Southern and Northern Denver are both nice.
Eastern is like the Great Plains.... flat
Western is foothills and nice too.
Climate is about the same.
Ski resorts are about 1:30-2hours away

Good luck

[TRNDRVR]

Personally, I think Ogden SUCKS!!!!!

But that entirely a biased opinion.

(I think my longevity for Ogden is on a downhill slide)With that being said, I'd pick Ogden over Denver just on the affordability aspect of your decision.

Ogden has a criminal mayor and police chief who are basically 2 little butt buddies.

Mayor has all these great little schemes that only suit his well being, and if anybody objects to him, his police man butt buddie has them arrested.

I don't hate this city so much as I hate its administration.

Here's the view from my back yard patio....
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg246/TRNDRVR/050903c.jpg

Oh, and Ogden isn't in Florida....
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg246/TRNDRVR/Internet%20posted%20pics/DSCN0914.jpg

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg246/TRNDRVR/Internet%20posted%20pics/DSCN0916.jpg

Sincerely, good luck with you decision!

Dan.

[proskier101]

did i say ogden, FL??? i didnt think i did..lol..


but your back yard is Beautiful...much better than my palm trees..lol..

[skeptic_always]

I've lived in FL (Miami area). UT >>>>> FL. Can't comment on CO.

[Tom R.]

The lift law in Utah is a good one. It was pushed through the legislature with the help of local off-roaders.

Housing is less expensive and we have much less traffic than Denver. I like it well enough that when retired from the military, I decided to stay.

IMO, Ogden has been getting better since I moved here in '94. No city is perfect and you'll never get everyone to agree on how the city should be run. I think the mayor has raised a few eyebrows in the way he's gone about certain things, but he's made headway revitalizing the city by bringing in more business.

I lived in Denver in the late '80s and really enjoyed it. I went back in the late '90s and didn't like it near as much. Not a big deal, but I much prefer having the mountains to the east (Ogden) rather than to the west (Denver). When I commuted to the Academy in CO Springs, I was constantly blinded by the morning sun. Dusk in CO was quick once the sun went down over the mountains. Here, the sunsets are truly amazing.

If you want to be more sure, a trip to both cities for a few days should provide you a better perspective.

[XJEEPER]

I've lived in or near Ogden most of my life, except for a 4 yr span in the Loveland and Windsor, CO areas. I lived in SLC for a few years and like it, but family ties took me back up North.
Don't let Dan sour you on Og, he's always bad mouthing Ogden for one reason or another.......but he's still here.

There's alot more to love than hate. Just like any city, there are areas that you don't want to live. I live in So Ogden, which has a different government, note that there are about 15 suburbs of Ogden that are all governed independantly, so you have a very broad choice. I would not live in Ogden City boundries, mainly because the school district blows, the Weber Co School system is much better.

I drive my 6" lifted, 33" tired XJ daily and run flaps, so I don't get hassled. Forget the pulling of axles....blah, blah during inspections. It's never happened to me in 12 years of owning Jeeps.

[skeptic_always]

4.5" RE lift (more like 5-5.5") and mudflaps that don't quite reach half way down the rear tires, stick out about an inch past the fenders (mudflaps on at a slight angle that almost gets to the edge of the tires), no flaps in front. After my fix-it ticket that's how I went to a police station to get it certified as fixed. No worries. I think as long as you have mud flaps that are reasonably close to "by the letter" you are fine.

I think it does tell you something about the crime and traffic around here when the police have time to stop people for mud flap violations. The cop that gave me the fix-it ticket explained that they are strict on mudflaps because of all the construction that is ALWAYS going on, kicking up rocks and such.

[proskier101]

one more question..i have a welded rear end on 37"s...how much is it going to be the suck in winter?

[XJBANKER]

Utah or Colorado a welded rear end in my opinion would SUCK! That is why I went with ARB's instead of a Detroit locker so it would not be locked in the snow unless I wanted it to be.

[ROOK1]

Ogden.

[slcpunk74]

my vote is the farmington area or parts of layton and learn to commute... its not that far. I make it from Bountiful to Layton everyday in about 10-15 mins and thats about the farmington/kaysville/layton drive to ogden depending on which part. Good luck

[proskier101]

well i havent heard anything from the ogden job but i have a phone interview for a boise, ID position....is that considered intermountain? lol

[Israel]

....is that considered intermountain? lol

Sure is! Good luck with your interview!

[proskier101]

XXXX if i get it it is going to be a 2600 mile journey.....and about $660 in gas :shiver:

[XJBANKER]

Tell them if they want you bad enough they will pay for you to get there.

[proskier101]

haha i wish...i was already told there is no moving assistance...its like they know how much i hate florida and want out.,. lol

[cracker]

haha i wish...i was already told there is no moving assistance...its like they know how much i hate florida and want out.,. lol

The Utards might have too high of standards to let you in plus they know how to drive. Stick to Idaho .!. :D .!.

[proskier101]

The Utards might have too high of standards to let you in plus they know how to drive. Stick to Idaho .!. :D .!.

:doh:

[Tom R.]

The Utards might have too high of standards to let you in plus they know how to drive.
Well, that's a relief! I just hope many of them can now put it into practice. :laugh3:

[DrMoab]

The Utards might have too high of standards to let you in plus they know how to drive. Stick to Idaho .!. :D .!.
Yeah, now if we could just learn how to keep Californtards out, we would be in great shape.

[proskier101]

its getting closer...it looks like if i move it will be in november...early/mid nov. i talked to their HR department and they said every internal applicant that has applied has been accepted..:firedevil

[XJEEPER]

Who's doing the hiring?

[proskier101]

Who's doing the hiring?

citigroup.

[MTNTECH]

The Utards might have too high of standards to let you in plus they know how to drive. Stick to Idaho .!. :D .!.

I came from Idaho, Utard's standards don't exist behind the wheel. Everybody I have meet in Utah is great right up till the time they drive. Speaking of standards they let me in so they got to be lower than most states.

[DrMoab]

I came from Idaho, Utard's standards don't exist behind the wheel. Everybody I have meet in Utah is great right up till the time they drive. Speaking of standards they let me in so they got to be lower than most states.
???

I drive in UT, WY and ID everyday. By far the WORST drivers I ever run into are in Idaho. It's true that Ut drivers can be more agressive but at least 90% of them know how to dim their lights, get out of the left lane if they are doing 45 MPH, don't make wide right hand turns right before turning left and about ten thousand other things I see the idiot drivers do in Idaho on a daily basis.

[cracker]

I propose a challenge........

We take Ryan (A Utard) and Lincoln (an Idatard) and we have a 'drive off'

We'll see who prevails and get to the bottom of this. :looney:

[DrMoab]

I propose a challenge........

We take Ryan (A Utard) and Lincoln (an Idatard) and we have a 'drive off'

We'll see who prevails and get to the bottom of this. :looney:
That would be easy.

He wouldn't shut up long enough to win anything.

[Israel]

I propose a challenge........

We take Ryan (A Utard) and Lincoln (an Idatard) and we have a 'drive off'

We'll see who prevails and get to the bottom of this. :looney:

I second the proposal! :D

[cracker]

Sweet

We'll see if he'll be into it. :D

I hope I can go..........

[Israel]

As for drivers, I think it depends on what you can handle. I’m accustomed to Utah’s traffic congestion and aggressive drivers. I’ve learned to read people’s “body language” on the road and plan for what I think they’re going to do. Idaho is completely different. I haven’t really ever come across must congestion up there, but there is no rhyme or reason as to why they do some things which makes it frustrating sometimes. If I had a dime for every mile I drove behind someone doing 65 or less in the fast lane, I would have over a dollar. I think my problem is I sit there waiting for them to move over, when I should just lane change to the slow lane and pass them before it even becomes an issue. Also, I’m pretty sure cruise control isn’t a feature equipped on cars sold in Idaho because that same guy I finally try to pass in the slow lane will decide to go 80 as I start to pass and drop back down to 65 when I give up and fall back behind him.

Maybe they just like pissing Utards off?

[Tom R.]

Hahahahaaa....everything that's being said about Idaho drivers describes Utah drivers.

What I can't figure out is how so many well-educated Utahns lose all common sense as soon as they get behind the wheel of a vehicle. Don't get me wrong...I know there are good drivers here, but there's an inordinate number of terrible drivers along the Wasatch Front.

The first thing I noticed are drivers who slow down when driving behind them and speed up when you try to pass. Inability of pace onself? A power and control thing? I don't know. It reminds me of the idiots who speed up to a red light and jump in front of you at the last minute so they can be first in line.

I could go on and on with the things I see daily on Utah roads. Why do so many drivers look the wrong way first before turning onto another road? Most of my near crashes were caused by idiots doing this very thing. People look right, pull out in front of oncoming traffic as they begin to look left. What the..? That's almost okay if they lived in England. :D

One of the oddest things I see happen are drivers who do something totally idiotic and illegal and then look at you as if you're at fault. Helloooo? How did this many people pass the written test? :dunno:

I golfed with the guy who was the overseer of all of Weber Co. driver's ed. I told him of all the crazy things I see everyday. I was long-winded....no surprise, eh? :) Anyway, when I was done he said I was absolutely right on all accounts. He told me they reviewed the curriculum and knew they were teaching the right information, but for some unexplained reason they would dump all reason as soon as they started driving.

By the way, there's no such thing as a slow lane and fast lane. I know they're commonly used terms, but they're inaccurate. The right lane is the driving lane. Any additional lanes going in the same direction are passing lanes. Unless something was changed in the past year, the Utah code does not make a distinction between highways and other roads regarding this law, so it applies to all roads. Driving in a passing lane without passing is illegal. Not moving over when it's safe to do so to let faster vehicles pass is illegal. It's called impeding. I wish more motorist followed the signs that say "Slower traffic move to the right." This isn't a suggestion; it's the law. If people followed these rules, we'd have half the traffic issues. The other half would be resolved if people would stop rubber-necking at every accident, pulled over motorist, cop on the side of the road, etc. :)

[DrMoab]

Now, times everything you just said by 10X and you have just described Idaho. :D
Hahahahaaa....everything that's being said about Idaho drivers describes Utah drivers.

What I can't figure out is how so many well-educated Utahns lose all common sense as soon as they get behind the wheel of a vehicle. Don't get me wrong...I know there are good drivers here, but there's an inordinate number of terrible drivers along the Wasatch Front.

The first thing I noticed are drivers who slow down when driving behind them and speed up when you try to pass. Inability of pace onself? A power and control thing? I don't know. It reminds me of the idiots who speed up to a red light and jump in front of you at the last minute so they can be first in line.

I could go on and on with the things I see daily on Utah roads. Why do so many drivers look the wrong way first before turning onto another road? Most of my near crashes were caused by idiots doing this very thing. People look right, pull out in front of oncoming traffic as they begin to look left. What the..? That's almost okay if they lived in England. :D

One of the oddest things I see happen are drivers who do something totally idiotic and illegal and then look at you as if you're at fault. Helloooo? How did this many people pass the written test? :dunno:

I golfed with the guy who was the overseer of all of Weber Co. driver's ed. I told him of all the crazy things I see everyday. I was long-winded....no surprise, eh? :) Anyway, when I was done he said I was absolutely right on all accounts. He told me they reviewed the curriculum and knew they were teaching the right information, but for some unexplained reason they would dump all reason as soon as they started driving.

By the way, there's no such thing as a slow lane and fast lane. I know they're commonly used terms, but they're inaccurate. The right lane is the driving lane. Any additional lanes going in the same direction are passing lanes. Unless something was changed in the past year, the Utah code does not make a distinction between highways and other roads regarding this law, so it applies to all roads. Driving in a passing lane without passing is illegal. Not moving over when it's safe to do so to let faster vehicles pass is illegal. It's called impeding. I wish more motorist followed the signs that say "Slower traffic move to the right." This isn't a suggestion; it's the law. If people followed these rules, we'd have half the traffic issues. The other half would be resolved if people would stop rubber-necking at every accident, pulled over motorist, cop on the side of the road, etc. :)

[XJEEPER]

I prefer to drive in the left lane........cause I'm always in passing mode......unless, of course, I see a fellow NAXJA member on the road and then I move over to give them a "nudge". :laugh3:

[Tom R.]

Now, times everything you just said by 10X and you have just described Idaho. :D
No doubt, you have much more experience driving in Idaho, so I will defer to you. :thumbup:

[Tom R.]

I prefer to drive in the left lane........cause I'm always in passing mode......unless, of course, I see a fellow NAXJA member on the road and then I move over to give them a "nudge". :laugh3:
:)

I used to do the same. I"m saving about 3 MPG by keeping my speed to 70 MPH or less. It's an entirely different story when I'm on the highway... :D

[ACE]

I prefer to drive in the left lane........cause I'm always in passing mode......unless, of course, I see a fellow NAXJA member on the road and then I move over to give them a "nudge". :laugh3:

If by "nudge" you mean "gum swallowing heart attack," that would be accurate.

[Tom R.]

If by "nudge" you mean "gum swallowing heart attack," that would be accurate.
Hey stranger. :wave1:

[proskier101]

im sure Florida drivers are MUCH worse(The Retirement State)

I had my Boise, ID interview on tuesday.

And the Ogden, UT interview wont be for another couple weeks.

[proskier101]

well im still waiting on the hireing process but I got offered a job in Boise but turned it down cause they want me there monday :shiver: and i cant do that im in FL.


But Ive talked to the Utah position's HR department and it looks like I may very well be a Utah resident starting Nov. 2nd:sunshine:

[cracker]

well im still waiting on the hireing process but I got offered a job in Boise but turned it down cause they want me there monday :shiver: and i cant do that im in FL.


But Ive talked to the Utah position's HR department and it looks like I may very well be a Utah resident starting Nov. 2nd:sunshine:

You'll definitly add the 'tard' to Utard ;)

[proskier101]

You'll definitly add the 'tard' to Utard ;)

still better than being in FL

[cracker]

still better than being in FL

You'll have to learn how to drive in the rocks and you'll finally understand why a 14 bolt is not ideal in the land of rocks.

East coast guys with no rocks have little experience with the 'rock department'

If you make it to Utah then you should come to Johnson Valley NAXJA event in November. :cool:

[proskier101]

You'll have to learn how to drive in the rocks and you'll finally understand why a 14 bolt is not ideal in the land of rocks.

East coast guys with no rocks have little experience with the 'rock department'

If you make it to Utah then you should come to Johnson Valley NAXJA event in November. :cool:


how far is that from ogden/clearfield? i will be severly strapped for cash when i move there. ($650 for gas just to get there.)

[cracker]

how far is that from ogden/clearfield? i will be severly strapped for cash when i move there. ($650 for gas just to get there.)

probably 450-500 miles

[DrMoab]

probably 450-500 miles

Barstow is exactly 600 so its probably closer to 650ish.

[proskier101]

well i wont be there. thats too far

[proskier101]

its getting close. IM shooting for Nov. 3

[aleXJ89]

sweet, lived in Ogden my whole life, I dont have many complaints, I have bad road rage anywhere so cant be any different here.