Complaints?

[rpraterxj]

I may regret this, but I want to hear your bitches, gripes, and complaints about the chapter and the BOD.

Feel free to PM me with any specifics.

Please do not post any names or particulars that may offend or identify anyone.

If you have any questiosn or issues for the BOD or how or why we let threads get out of hand, please know that we all have full time jobs. I used to be able to be on the Internet all day, but my new job does not allow it. i check it when I can. I let some things slide, when they can't resolve on their own.

Fire away!

PS, this thread will moderated, so watch the language, tones, and all that jazz that can get deleted.

[RWKHausSupply]

I dont like how everyone rides eachothers sack here! ok theres mine haha

[GrimmJeeper]

my only complaints involve certain individuals, so i will bow out of this one.

[tharlanjr]

Same as Grimm, me being a new guy here and not even having an XJ yet, I prob dont have any room to talk...

But some peoples talking is BS...

:skull2:

[xDUMPTRUCKx]

There is a trend of people talking for lack of a better word POOP about other members.

I've fallen victim to it.

The people of the chapter are ticked off and tired of it.


A lot of the problem is the lack of names being used in public. I don't have a problem with people airing out my dirty laundry. I encourage it. I will address it accordingly. I think it solves issues, keeping everything hush hush breeds an environment polluted with slander.

Captain Ron's comments were interpreted as blatant disrespect and almost threatening. They were uncalled for... If i didn't know better i'd be enraged.

But this is how Ron operates, it's a known fact that he gets to the bottom of the Chopin bottle and hops on NAXJA. His comments should be taken lightly, notice the smiley face.....it nullifies strong words

Screw you Ron, were going fishing on a boat where the Vietnamese operator will serve us dog tacos for $5 a pop and we will all be under the influence of lukewarm PBR. oh ya and your gay and i hope you die :D

See how that works? :D

[mikedashg]

it's a known fact that he gets to the bottom of the Chopin bottle and hops on NAXJA.

LOL, OK, it's not just me. I have in the pasts read his posts and thought to myself "Has he been drinking?" I wouldn't have it any other way though. It's good comedy. :D

[GauchoMD]

I don't want a dog taco, but I'll have a warm PBR :)

[mikedashg]

my only complaints involve certain individuals, so i will bow out of this one.

LOL, where's the call out thread on BSC where we can get into an internet forum F U battle?

And isn't that the same as pirate?

[GauchoMD]

I don't have a problem (nor have I had any, knock on wood) with anyone here...yet. But all the crap-talking (not joking, but actual crap talking) and wanking is getting a little old... I guess the only solution to that would be to ignore those that offend us, we don't HAVE to hang out or wheel with everyone just because they are a member of NAXJA. I love everyone BTW... :)

[silverslk]

Here is a complaint. Of course, I just found out this thread isn't really for complaints....more about Captain Ron talking crap and threads getting locked. haha

When I joined NAXJA my friend said "nothing but a bunch of rock crawlers, waste of time because, they think go fast stuff is stupid".

That said, I have to agree. We have big events expecting everyone to come out and run (rock garden, calico, BB, etc) and support NAXJA or offroading but when a group of people go to Cleghorn or Azusa or to a Jeepspeed event its not as supported. And there is even a group on here that I feel are "Big Bear elitists" and look down on others from the group for Azusa and other types of "non rock crawling". Its annoying but whatever. Those who complain about the mud must think you are required to run a mud pit to ge there. We often go to just hang out and get to know eachother more,

[Jump This]

No complaints here.

As far as I am concerned, people can be people all they want.

Every body I have met through NAXJA have been all good people, and like family.
The good and the bad of family!

Ron is okay, Ben is okay, Grimm and the rest are okay.

Heck, I even get to the point of missing some of my friends I have met through NAXJA.
Kyung, Matty? Johnny, Charles, Ryan.....etc.
:D

And yes, I am an elitist rock crawling pig!
BB isn't all that much of a fuss, never been to Calico or Azusa, but I have been to a few Jeepspeed events....and I don't like mud.
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o220/Jump_bucket/100_4764.jpg

[xDUMPTRUCKx]

I just received an inside message from someone who was with Ron last night, turns out those posts were margarita influenced and Ardis (his wife) took control of the situation......

[mikedashg]

Here is a complaint. Of course, I just found out this thread isn't really for complaints....more about Captain Ron talking crap and threads getting locked. haha

When I joined NAXJA my friend said "nothing but a bunch of rock crawlers, waste of time because, they think go fast stuff is stupid".

That said, I have to agree. We have big events expecting everyone to come out and run (rock garden, calico, BB, etc) and support NAXJA or offroading but when a group of people go to Cleghorn or Azusa or to a Jeepspeed event its not as supported. And there is even a group on here that I feel are "Big Bear elitists" and look down on others from the group for Azusa and other types of "non rock crawling". Its annoying but whatever. Those who complain about the mud must think you are required to run a mud pit to ge there. We often go to just hang out and get to know eachother more,

Maybe it's "not as supported" because the majority of members (and probably ALL of the BOD, but I have no clue about the BOD) are rock crawlers. Back when I joined there wasn't ANY speed stuff here. It's kind of cool that there is now. Not that I'm into it or anything. And even cooler that you guys come out and crawl with us.

What's really funny though that you refer to "big bear" as crawling. :D That's a forest, it's trail riding. There might be some rocks there, but not much. Maybe you meant "JV elitists" ?

[IslanderOffRoad]

I'm mad that nobody remembered who I was at BJ's last week.


Just effin with you guys. No problems here, I've enjoyed hanging out and wheeling with everyone I've met thus far.

[rpraterxj]

Good!

There are folks who do not take to mud, some don't take to the deserts, or rocks, or whatever. I do believe that there can be more support for it.

One thing to know - any member can post up about a run or get together. There are a few events each years that does get more attention. All it takes is someone to get it started.

If folks start razzin you about Asuza, JeepSpeed, rocks, or whatever, ignore them. Post the details and get people involved. If you think there should be more chapter invovlement, shoot a PM to the BOD.

[FordGuy]

I guess because I am also new, And have met so many cool people, I don't always know what is in fun and what is not. All I can say is some of what I think is not in fun, If it were said in person, they would have there ass kicked! I personally will not type what I won't say to your face, just me! I would like to see more of our BOD people at the functions, Like you Robert, because you are the pres!! and like to shoot the shit with you as well as everyone else.

Personally, this group has brought a lot of new Friends and a new fun hobby for me. I Want it to stay fun and positive. We are not a bunch of Tard's, at least not all of the time(lol)

[mikedashg]

No complaints here.

As far as I am concerned, people can be people all they want.

Every body I have met through NAXJA have been all good people, and like family. The good and the bad of family!

Ron is okay, Ben is okay, Grimm and the rest are okay.



X2, I don't have any real complaints about the people.

[xDUMPTRUCKx]

its all my fault for starting the BSC.

[johnnyc]

What's really funny though that you refer to "big bear" as crawling. :D That's a forest, it's trail riding. There might be some rocks there, but not much. Maybe you meant "JV elitists" ?

I was gonna say, I don't know what a "Big Bear elitist" is. But I do know a "JV elitist" when I see one. :)

BTW Andy, I will make an Azusa run this year...to watch. And thanks for not answering my PM and phone message. That's MY only complaint. Ha.

[silverslk]

X2, I don't have any real complaints about the people.

The people are great!!! Ask Grimm, he called SoCalBilll and I last night as soon as he blew his tire. He couldn't get ahold of Cory. When we couldn't get ahold of Cory we stared turning around to drive back to him (probably 20 miles) even though I only had a 33" spare and no jack!! Luck Cory answered. haha

[mikedashg]

About the chapter. I guess I don't like it that the folks south of san clemente get ignored. When there's something going on (that isn't wheeling), it's always based at least an hour or two north of me. There's a ton of members in San Diego and N. County SD, East County SD, etc. Maybe not the majority, but at least considering the SO-Cal People a bit more.

[Maz]

I may regret this, but I want to hear your bitches, gripes, and complaints about the chapter and the BOD.

I can't say I have any of the above, especially that I haven't personally met many of the SoCal members and haven't really gone out on any runs. But as someone who has mostly lurked on NAXJA for close to 5 years, I feel that the SoCal Chapter has changed, only based on what I read on these forums. It is only my observation that compared to a few years ago there is more animosity amongst the members and the Chapter seems to have been divided into strong sub-groups. There is more trash talking and BS in the Forums and lots of wasted bandwidth. The quality of content in the SoCal threads is far inferior compared to past. The BOD of yester-years had more active presence, but the active organizing of events by non-BOD members has gone up a lot.

Just my 2 .... Maz

[Jump This]

About the chapter. I guess I don't like it that the folks south of san clemente get ignored. When there's something going on (that isn't wheeling), it's always based at least an hour or two north of me. There's a ton of members in San Diego and N. County SD, East County SD, etc. Maybe not the majority, but at least considering the SO-Cal People a bit more.


You sniveling little bitch!

Try living out here and see how it feels!

:D

Besides, would you trade SD county for LA or Orange County for anything?
They need to get together more often, it helps them maintain sanity a bit better.

[GauchoMD]

About the chapter. I guess I don't like it that the folks south of san clemente get ignored. When there's something going on (that isn't wheeling), it's always based at least an hour or two north of me. There's a ton of members in San Diego and N. County SD, East County SD, etc. Maybe not the majority, but at least considering the SO-Cal People a bit more.

Ha! You guys don't get ignored as much as those North of LA County! :guitar: But like I said, I've liked everyone I've met so far...no real complaints.

[GauchoMD]

Agree with Maz... A lot more animosity between members now compared to the last couple of years that I've been a member.

[silverslk]

Good!

There are folks who do not take to mud, some don't take to the deserts, or rocks, or whatever. I do believe that there can be more support for it.

One thing to know - any member can post up about a run or get together. There are a few events each years that does get more attention. All it takes is someone to get it started.

If folks start razzin you about Asuza, JeepSpeed, rocks, or whatever, ignore them. Post the details and get people involved. If you think there should be more chapter invovlement, shoot a PM to the BOD.

Its not that my feelings are/were hurt by it (ex-military we can talk crap with the best). Its not about "telling mom or dad". I would like to see more support for the less hard core runs because they seem to attract everyone from stock to modified. I can tell you people are stoked when someone like Santa shows up and runs Cleghorn or some small run. It's just a nice message to send to people without 2 lockers and 35's that you are willing to come out and "slum" with us. haha

[xDUMPTRUCKx]

Don't know what your talking about......:eyes: :eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes:


www.blacksheepcrew.net/forums


there is more animosity amongst the members and the Chapter seems to have been divided into strong sub-groups.

[silverslk]

You sniveling little bitch!

Try living out here and see how it feels!

:D

Besides, would you trade SD county for LA or Orange County for anything?
They need to get together more often, it helps them maintain sanity a bit better.


Thats for sure Rick. We want to see someone we know every now and then. Too many GD people around here!!!! haha

[Maz]

Ha! You guys don't get ignored as much as those North of LA County! :guitar: But like I said, I've liked everyone I've met so far...no real complaints.

X2

[GauchoMD]

Don't know what your talking about......:eyes: :eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes:


www.blacksheepcrew.net/forums (http://www.blacksheepcrew.net/forums)

It's all your fault for starting the BSC Ben! :peace:

[GrimmJeeper]

its all my fault for starting the BSC.
It's all your fault for starting the BSC Ben! :peace:
:rolleyes:

pay attention grasshoppa.

[mikedashg]

Too many GD people around here!!!!

X2

I'm not very good with names to begin with. And there's all these damn north of san clemente newbies I've only seen once or twice. Some of em called me by name at the rock garden, but I can't remember all of ya.

Speaking of which, time to update this one, a bunch of peoples pics don't work anymore, and a bunch of people need to get added:

http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=945082

[mikedashg]

You sniveling little bitch!

Try living out here and see how it feels!

:D

Besides, would you trade SD county for LA or Orange County for anything?
They need to get together more often, it helps them maintain sanity a bit better.

Yer the one who said it wasn't far when I sniveled about driving out to borrego for doors.

[GauchoMD]

:rolleyes:

pay attention grasshoppa.

I saw it, I just thought it beared repeating :wave:

[xDUMPTRUCKx]

I think most of the drama is traceable back to me.

Now I have been dubbed by many as Naxjesus.

People have been fighting wars over Jesus for thousands of years, hell im in one of em right now.


Maybe I need to be crucified?

[FordGuy]

About the chapter. I guess I don't like it that the folks south of san clemente get ignored. When there's something going on (that isn't wheeling), it's always based at least an hour or two north of me. There's a ton of members in San Diego and N. County SD, East County SD, etc. Maybe not the majority, but at least considering the SO-Cal People a bit more.


You had to bring San Clemente into it!!! I see you tomorrow, Johnny might not be coming so I will ask him if I can represent the new Costa Mesa Chapter!

[rpraterxj]

I would like to see more of our BOD people at the functions, Like you Robert, because you are the pres!! and like to shoot the shit with you as well as everyone else.

I know. I have had issues gettign to functions this year. I will not go to any details as they are personal. I have been making more of an effort lately. Weeknights are much more difficult now since my new job and picking my son up from daycare.

I WAS at the RockGarden in the TJ. My XJ has been in the garage for 2+ months. lack of funds and time, but lots of help and support! I will get some wheeling time very soon!!!! I will not be making Moab after all. Funds will not allow.

My goal at the begining of the year was to wheel once a month. I am about 5 months behind! I got some catching up to do! Asuza, Big Bear, Calico, JV.... all in the next 4 months! At least once or twice for a couple of them!!!

[djblade311]

I have a problem with a BOD member....that f'in treasurer of yours sucks. :D

the non-jokingly talking behind ones back is never cool. If anyone has a problem with someone, man up and deal with the person directly...if you cant get it resolved...then thats a different story.

also, its not specific to NAXJA or any particular group but in general...get the details and facts before you spew poo all over the place. dont make assumptions...think for yourselves.

I dont think less of anyone who only likes JeepSpeed, Azuza, or Cleghorn...I like JeepSpeed and would love to be more involved with it but I pick my battles and priorities since I like rockcrawling more and dont have enough time or money to do everything.

I agree with Robert that if you think something should happen, take the initiative and make it happen. If you want the BODs support, let us know. If you think something could be handled in a better fashion, propose a solution. Dont just bitch about it.

[Jump This]

Yer the one who said it wasn't far when I sniveled about driving out to borrego for doors.

Where did you read that I think Borrego Springs is too far away?

:D

[Monkey55]

I think a few people already said it.. There has been a lot more drama and trash talking more and more over the last few years. I've actually been around since '04. (I deleted all my accounts for some personal reasons and went by a sudo name back then :anon: )

It seems like there used to be more respect for individuals and the group as a whole. Who knows, maybe the threads were more moderated then than they are now. :dunno:

Also, it seems like there more and more tech threads being posted the SoCal forum that should be posted or moved to the other forums. It seems like it's really inconsistent how the SoCal forum is moderated.

E

[Bent]

There is a trend of people talking for lack of a better word POOP about other members.


What people say about me behind my back is none of my business!
:moon:










:D

[ruggedjeep]

The ONE issue I have is there has been to much bullshit off topic threads in the so cal forum. We have 2 places for random chit chat BS and yet it always ends up in the chapter forum.

[crazyjim]

The people are great!!! Ask Grimm, he called SoCalBilll and I last night as soon as he blew his tire. He couldn't get ahold of Cory. When we couldn't get ahold of Cory we stared turning around to drive back to him (probably 20 miles) even though I only had a 33" spare and no jack!! Luck Cory answered. haha
X3 on this, I've received a lot of help from NAXJA including when my tire flew past me :laugh: and Andy saved my ass. Just wanted to reiterate this. Carry on.

[mikedashg]

You had to bring San Clemente into it!!! I see you tomorrow, Johnny might not be coming so I will ask him if I can represent the new Costa Mesa Chapter!

Ah, it all makes sense now. I could never figure you out. I'd see you at the N. County SD M&G, but you seamed like you were from the north like most everyone else. No wonder! You are smack dab in the middle. Luck you.

I'd love to see Johnny there. He has to come! :D You guys should take Marvin.

[mikedashg]

Maybe I need to be crucified?


That'd probably work for some.

[Ryno XJ]

No complaints. It would be nice if people have problems with others that they settle it amongst themselves face to face, or at least pm to pm.
:badpc:

[tcm glx]

Overall I have no gripes, there are some great people on this board, some of which I will call friends, and even best friends!! Overall they are always their to help in a bind, and great to wheel with.

I would like to see more invovlement from the BOD, i was super happy to see you out at RockGarden Robert!!

Once a month is a good goal, thats what i have set for myself!!

Oh, and as far as Ron, clearly he has been disrespectful, multiple times, he should be banned, period....once or twice you get a slap on the hand, but to continuously come on and bash people, many of which he has not met........sorry, but he adds no value to this forum. (Maybe he did in the past, and if so great, but not anymore!)

[GrimmJeeper]

Oh, and as far as Ron, clearly he has been disrespectful, multiple times, he should be banned, period....once or twice you get a slap on the hand, but to continuously come on and bash people, many of which he has not met........sorry, but he adds no value to this forum. (Maybe he did in the past, and if so great, but not anymore!) i agree with tony 100%. at the very least he deserves a time out. the "well he only does it when he's drunk..." excuse is a copout. thats like saying its ok for your buddy to walk into your bedroom and puke on your pillow once a month. "its ok, he only does it when he's drunk." :rolleyes:

[johnnyc]

I think Ron is on a self-imposed time out. So I think this should be dropped. ;)

I still love ya Ron! :wave:

[cracker]

Oh, and as far as Ron, clearly he has been disrespectful, multiple times, he should be banned, period....once or twice you get a slap on the hand, but to continuously come on and bash people, many of which he has not met........sorry, but he adds no value to this forum. (Maybe he did in the past, and if so great, but not anymore!)

He adds value. Entertainment value. ;)

What would you have done with Beezil or Hinkley if you can't handle Ron? I dare anyone to meet Ron. He is one of the nicest soft spoken people you'll meet. You guys do know what the IGNORE LIST (http://www.naxja.org/forum/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=5889) is, right?

Maybe I need to be crucified?

I will be the one to give you the Trojan helmet when you are up there!

I think a few people already said it.. There has been a lot more drama and trash talking more and more over the last few years. I've actually been around since '04. (I deleted all my accounts for some personal reasons and went by a sudo name back then :anon: )

It seems like there used to be more respect for individuals and the group as a whole. Who knows, maybe the threads were more moderated then than they are now. :dunno:

Also, it seems like there more and more tech threads being posted the SoCal forum that should be posted or moved to the other forums. It seems like it's really inconsistent how the SoCal forum is moderated.

E

Elias, the old days there was basically NO moderation. Geoff was president and was around stirring up most of the sh!t around here and it was GOOD TIMES! You should recall, you were around. The whole thing went to sh!t when Remi got mod powers. It was a lot better back then. Active president makes a world of difference. We basically have had no (or limited) leadership for the past three years and Remi can't rally the troops since anyone who has been around here won't put up with his crap (we love you Remi though :smootch: ). Remi's basically been 1/2 (or more like 1/4) of a management team for the past three years. We need a change!

Maybe you meant "JV elitists" ?

Everything else is not wheelin :wave1:

[silverslk]

BTW Andy, I will make an Azusa run this year...to watch. And thanks for not answering my PM and phone message. That's MY only complaint. Ha.

If I ignore this one will it be better? haha :eyes:

Sorry Johnny. I have some crap going on....hell, I'll say it. I didn't pay my cell bill so I could make it to the rock garden. It goes straight to voicemail and I have to then pick up the VM and return calls from my house phone......hard to do when I am not home much. SORRY for not getting back to you. :bawl:

[tcm glx]

If I ignore this one will it be better? haha :eyes:

Sorry Johnny. I have some crap going on....hell, I'll say it. I didn't pay my cell bill so I could make it to the rock garden. It goes straight to voicemail and I have to then pick up the VM and return calls from my house phone......hard to do when I am not home much. SORRY for not getting back to you. :bawl:
Damn Andy, show how much you love us......I appreciate you for doing it, and bringing the bomb salsa to the m&g

[cds36]

i agree with tony 100%. at the very least he deserves a time out. the "well he only does it when he's drunk..." excuse is a copout. thats like saying its ok for your buddy to walk into your bedroom and puke on your pillow once a month. "its ok, he only does it when he's drunk." :rolleyes:

X3 for me also, He does absolutly no good for Naxja, I dont give a crap what he did before, I only see what he's doing now. I havent read one good or positive thread from that fag.

As for complaints, Probably that I cant do alot of things being 2 wheel drive that 4 wheel drive guys can do. I bet there are alot of guys not 4 wheel drive that dont go out because they think they might not have anything to do or might get clowned, well yeah you will but its all in good fun. At least your out there, I Havent been to a event that I didnt have fun at yet, and everyone always offers a seat for you to ride in. Everyone I have met so far have been class acts and would and has given there shirts off there backs for members.

If anything it would be cool to see more members at the jeepspeed events.

[juryrigjalopy]

Its not that my feelings are/were hurt by it (ex-military we can talk shit with the best). Its not about "telling mom or dad". I would like to see more support for the less hard core runs because they seem to attract everyone from stock to modified. I can tell you people are stoked when someone like Santa shows up and runs Cleghorn or some small run. It's just a nice message to send to people without 2 lockers and 35's that you are willing to come out and "slum" with us. haha


I believe that some newer people get intimidated when they hear that Santa is on the run because they don't think their junk can keep up.

[cracker]

I believe that some newer people get intimidated when they hear that Santa is on the run because they don't think their junk can keep up.

The 'old' people know better :doh:

[cal]

I believe that some newer people get intimidated when they hear that Santa is on the run because they don't think their junk can keep up.


The 'old' people know better :doh:

http://www.shadowco.org/~cal/ohsnap.jpg

:thumbup:

[Jump This]

All you guys bitching about Ron need to wipe the sand from your vag's. Seriously.

:D


I don't know....Ron has been a prick.

Ardis has promised to bitch slap the crap out of him if he gets out of line again.
Well, maybe she should have a preemptive slapping around for him, you just know he will do that kinda' crap again.

[Jump This]

The 'old' people know better :doh:


:roflmao:

One thing about Ken, the guy will wheel every weekend if he can.
That includes ALL known forms of wheelin', from trail driving to sight seeing to rockin'....
NOBODY goes out as much as he does.

[4xSanta]

Looking foward to a Happy Holiday Season and a Merry Christmas, just thought I would change it up a bit!.........SANTA

[BajaCurt]

Looking foward to a Happy Holiday Season and a Merry Christmas, just thought I would change it up a bit!.........SANTA

ROFLMAO
Classic Ken classic!!!!!
Way to add some much needed humor to this thread!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rpraterxj]

Great posts guys.

About mederators - There have been times when there has been posts removed, moved, edited, locked, or whatever, and the person then starts another thread bitching about why the thread got the action.

We made changes to try to accomodate - group buys in the for sale section.

There have been more but I will nto hit on everyone.

Things were different 3+ years ago - the group as a whole were different as was the BOD. There were more work parties and wheeling trips. There are tons of look what I got threads, drama, bling this, drama, what was your first car, what's your favorite color, etc.... threads.

We need to get back to grass roots! XJ wheeling, wrenching, and Karma, helping and being a good group of guys, not bitching and whining.

There are to many subsequent posts on the same topic. Rockgarden for example - 4 threads that I remember.

We have the BEST Jeep folks in the country and we have the best network around. Why have we let this happen? Yes, the BOD can be help responsible for some of the crap, but it's YOU, the members/guest, that make this thing what it is.

I will make a motion in the BOD forum to better police the chapter and keep the threads on topic. We will enforce the "rules" to everyone. This includes signature lines, avatars, post content, etc...

We are mostly grown men (and a few women) and we love our sport.

[cracker]

Things were different 3+ years ago -

Good times...gigity gigity :D

I will make a motion in the BOD forum to better police the chapter and keep the threads on topic. We will enforce the "rules" to everyone. This includes signature lines, avatars, post content, etc...

You can't enforce rules that do not exist. IF you are going to do this, you must create a set of rules and have the rules posted (another sticky :doh: ).

Can MikeG not post up his dinner? :laugh: From a national view, the Chapter forums is to do what ever the chapter wants as long as tech stays in the tech forums. What direction do you [Robert] want to take SoCal chapter? Where are these rules going to take us?

[BajaCurt]

Where do I start? At the beginning right!!
I haven't been here that long. But in the short time here have met a lot of awesome people. People that go out of their way to help each other. A friend in need is a friend in w.....oh that's right it's indeed. Like Rick said it's like a family. And with a family comes the good and the bad. If a family member has a behavioral flaw (being nice here) that really gets out of hand, you sit them down and talk about it. You don't do it at a public place. You do it behind closed doors and air it out. And when the family member continues f-ing up you are faced with tough decisions. So I guess I have 2 complaints about NAXJA. The first is that some discussions that should be taking place behind closed doors are taking place in openly viewed threads (and I am guilty of this too...I was the first to take offense to the comments made in the "let's go fishing" thread. Whenever you get a group of people of this size together you are going to have cliques formed. It just happens. So be it. If only 4 rigs want to go to a Jeepspeed race then those 4 are gonna have a blast. Would it be cool to have 20 XJs attend en masse? Hell yeah but it is what it is. That's a great thing about Jeeps. You can go camping with the family. You can go rock crawling at JV. You can go watch Jeepspeed races and drive right on the track. You can go play in the snow. You can go to Mexico and drive right on the beach. (ya gotta love Southern California!!!!). And yes we are all spread out but have local get togethers. Heck we even have a sub chapter in a small beach town from what I hear.
And on to my complaint #2.
When I joined I had a stock XJ. Thanks to you guys I have now spent 8 times what I paid for it on parts...maybe more....and the parts I have staged in the garage waiting to go on it almost total the purchase value. But you know what...I love it and wouldn't have it any other way.
Naxja is what the people make it to be. And I for one truly appreciate it for what it is!!! Is it perfect? No! But nobody is!
That's my 2 cents....

[juryrigjalopy]

ROFLMAO
Classic Ken classic!!!!!
Way to add some much needed humor to this thread!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its OK to use internet lingo such as "ROFLMAO", just leave it out of your Christmas list because Santa is computarded and has no idea what any of that means.

I think there should be a "NAXJA for dummies" tutorial thread for the computards. A lot of people don't spend 24/7/365 on a computer and have no idea how to post/host pics, vids, net etiquette. Just a thought.:D

[cal]

Things were different 3+ years ago - the group as a whole were different as was the BOD. There were more work parties and wheeling trips. There are tons of look what I got threads, drama, bling this, drama, what was your first car, what's your favorite color, etc.... threads.


Not to sound like an jerk when I say this rpraterxj; I'm not saying it to be an jerk.

3+ years ago we had a BOD that was not reactionary. They regularly took part of the forum and club events, and issues were dealt with in a mild mannered backchannel way before they ever made it to black and white.

Our prior board, while under a very compentant president, suffered from his lack of availability and attention. The vice president was inexperianced and mildly underqualified IMO, and was not able to learn from someone who was not there.

And again, no offense, but lather, rinse, and repeat.

I, as a chapter member, am OFFENDED that you want to step in now with massive changes attempting a "quick fix" while not participating, in full confidence that three weeks from now things will be the same. New rules aren't going to fix anything, participating in the chapter will.

[FordGuy]

[quote=juryrigjalopy]Its OK to use internet lingo such as "ROFLMAO", just leave it out of your Christmas list because Santa is computarded and has no idea what any of that means.

Its not just Santa, I don't know what in the hell it means, and I am tried of asking my Son who tells me, then makes fun of me for a week!

[silverslk]

Its not just Santa, I don't know what in the hell it means, and I am tried of asking my Son who tells me, then makes fun of me for a week!

Google is your friend Rich. :thumbup:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROFLMAO

[johnnyc]

Its not just Santa, I don't know what in the hell it means, and I am tried of asking my Son who tells me, then makes fun of me for a week!

You have to ask your number one son. He won't make fun of you.

[Jump This]

Robert, about those 'extra' threads regarding the Rockgarden Fundraiser....


WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?
;)
This was a fundraiser that a lot of people participated in.
Lots of different information needed to be put out there, there were
lots of our members getting excited about this get together....and your going to complain about the amount of threads involved??

Get your butt back into a Cherokee brotha'! That shorty you have been driving is not doing you any good!

:D



OH and BTW (By The Way for you Rich ;) ) Get him CAL!

[juryrigjalopy]

Its OK to use internet lingo such as "ROFLMAO", just leave it out of your Christmas list because Santa is computarded and has no idea what any of that means.
Its not just Santa, I don't know what in the hell it means, and I am tried of asking my Son who tells me, then makes fun of me for a week!

Your lucky......I savor it for at least a few months.

Maybe the thread should be called "How to GOOGLE it for dummies (or old farts)".

[Jump This]

Now imagine my prior post without the smilies.

[FordGuy]

You have to ask your number one son. He won't make fun of you.

That gave me my only laugh today!!

:guitar:

[GrimmJeeper]

Now imagine my prior post without the smilies. rick, the 60's are gone brotha, the last thing we need is you thinking about imaginary smileys.


:D

[cal]

Get him CAL!

While I laughed at the enthusiasm, that was not a "get him" kind of post. I don't like being in a position where I feel like I am telling someone how to do their job - or in this case how not to do their job; but I also feel it is the responsibility of the president of any group to participate in a regular if not full time manner.

[Jump This]

Sure it was a 'get him' kind of post.
You jumped on him with both feet, I would even
say you ground your heel into his crotch!
You are a hateful SOB!
(That is Son Of a Bitk for you Rich ;) )
























































:D

[FordGuy]

Have you heard the saying "The nuts are running the asylum"

[Skwerly]

My only complaint has been the BLUE forums being taken away! I guess the red finally grew on me, but the BLUE looked real nice!!

Bringing the blue back would make me smile :).

Other than that, GREAT club, and I wish I could do more to help it!

[cracker]

Sure it was a 'get him' kind of post.
You jumped on him with both feet, I would even
say you ground your heel into his crotch!
You are a hateful SOB!

























































:D

Rick for President! :D

[mikedashg]

He adds value. Entertainment value. ;)

What would you have done with Beezil or Hinkley if you can't handle Ron? I dare anyone to meet Ron. He is one of the nicest soft spoken people you'll meet.



X2. I know em, wheeled with him a bunch of times, he's lead runs, lead ME personally through trails, brewed us beer, cooked us dinner. Nice guy. Sorry you newbies only saw the asshat side of him. Ask Ryan, he has some nice words to say about him. Like "he's a big asshole, but also the nicest guy you'll ever have fun with" :laugh2:

:smootch:

[cracker]

Other than that, GREAT club, and I wish I could do more to help it!

You want to help? I have hours and hours of stuff that can be done.................

PM me for more details. How are you with marketing?

[rpraterxj]

Thanks for being so open and sharing that. I can appreciate that but please be assured that this is not a "quick fix". NAXJA by-laws and rules have been in place but not fully enforced.

What I intend to do is get this back on track. The members were different as were the BOD members. There were less people and more activity - wheeling, wrenching, etc...

There will be mroe participation from the BOD. I believe that Remi and Josh have been more involved than I have and I have stated i had some personal issue I will not bring up. Things have gooten better and I am getting back into the groove. if anyone has a problem with me, let me know back channel. I know served you all well and I almost stepped down but was encouraged not to. Now that things are better and I am ready.

Now you told me not to take offense to your comment yet you tell me you are offended by the BOD doing their job. Mayeb we haev not done a great job, but that does not mean we can not. I firmly believe what I stated previously about having the best group of people. I also believe this can be turn around very quickly. If folks don't want to be a part of it they do not have to be. That is the case with NAXJA and every thread in it. you have the option to read, post, comment, or ignore.




Not to sound like an ass when I say this rpraterxj; I'm not saying it to be an ass.

3+ years ago we had a BOD that was not reactionary. They regularly took part of the forum and club events, and issues were dealt with in a mild mannered backchannel way before they ever made it to black and white.

Our prior board, while under a very compentant president, suffered from his lack of availability and attention. The vice president was inexperianced and mildly underqualified IMO, and was not able to learn from someone who was not there.

And again, no offense, but lather, rinse, and repeat.

I, as a chapter member, am OFFENDED that you want to step in now with massive changes attempting a "quick fix" while not participating, in full confidence that three weeks from now things will be the same. New rules aren't going to fix anything, participating in the chapter will.

[rpraterxj]

Robert, about those 'extra' threads regarding the Rockgarden Fundraiser....


WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?
;)
This was a fundraiser that a lot of people participated in.
Lots of different information needed to be put out there, there were
lots of our members getting excited about this get together....and your going to complain about the amount of threads involved??

Get your butt back into a Cherokee brotha'! That shorty you have been driving is not doing you any good!

:D



OH and BTW (By The Way for you Rich ;) ) Get him CAL!


I did not complain, you FELLOW MEMBERS did. All I did was use it as a reference for multiple post about things.

I did not slam it nor have I slammed anyone.

[Jump This]

Have you heard the saying "The nuts are running the asylum"

Okay, so we have a problem here Rich.

You used quotation marks when you should have used '........
It wasn't a statement you were actually making, you were quoting another.
And we need some more punctuation.
This is where we may need to call in an expert, but if you are using the quote in a form of a question, you should install a question mark. But....since the quote isn't a question, why would you modify the quote (therefore making it a non-quote) by making us add a question mark?
What I am saying is that your entire reply to the thread is inaccurate.
To be correct, you would need to make a statement about the quote, not modify it into another form.
Like,
You have heard 'The nuts are running the asylum.'

[99xjache]

worthless post.

[FordGuy]

Its obvious that this is a Rockin group, and it's not small. Like any large group or organization, it just needs attention and direction, all the time. Is this thread locked to members only? I would not want to have someone new get the wrong idea, Our chapter is the best group of people I have ever spent time with, and I have done a lot of stuff, NAXJA is a blast.

[mikedashg]

Can MikeG not post up his dinner?

WTF is that about? What do you have against me posting up a M&G? Besides, it's not MY dinner, it was actually started on NAXJA by someone else 4 years ago and has been going solid every month since.

http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=28812
http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=27670
http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?p=245776

Before I posted it up every month, there was even several posts by newbies that wanted to have one that don't know we already have one. And some have actually requested that I post up a reminder. That's why I do it.

[rpraterxj]

Sure it was a 'get him' kind of post.
You jumped on him with both feet, I would even
say you ground your heel into his crotch!
You are a hateful SOB!
(That is Son Of a Bitk for you Rich ;) )


Yeah, my nuts still hurt. LOL...

I know, and have stated I have done served well, or at all, over the past few months. I was very active at the begining of the year, but then things happened. Personal things. No details but marriage, work, finances, and other things that I have responsibilty for. unfortunately, I had to put NAXJA aside. I don't live at home with my parents and I am not single (these are not bad things, just different freedoms) I had conversations with folks to help me out and I even offered up stepping down. I was encouraged not too and I am glad I did not. I love NAXJA and have made some great friends.

If folks do not support me then impeach me. If someone thinks they can do better, then step up. Some folks have kept their mouths shut and now they want to speak up to. That's cool. I have no beef with anyone and hold no grudges.

I want to thanks the folks that PM'd me with their personal issues. I
want to see the chapter move forward.

[FordGuy]

Okay, so we have a problem here Rich.

You used quotation marks when you should have used '........
It wasn't a statement you were actually making, you were quoting another.
And we need some more punctuation.
This is where we may need to call in an expert, but if you are using the quote in a form of a question, you should install a question mark. But....since the quote isn't a question, why would you modify the quote (therefore making it a non-quote) by making us add a question mark?
What I am saying is that your entire reply to the thread is inaccurate.
To be correct, you would need to make a statement about the quote, not modify it into another form.
Like,
You have heard 'The nuts are running the asylum.'

When I get a couple more thousand posts, I will get better. Paying attention when I type is not one of my stronger attributes. But then again, ask me how much I care!

[BajaCurt]

Correct me if I'm wrong Mike-G but aren't you the one that posted that steak dinner with the beer? I think that's what he is referring to.

[Jump This]

WTF is that about? What do you have against me posting up a M&G? Besides, it's not MY dinner, it was actually started on NAXJA by someone else 4 years ago and has been going solid every month since.

http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=28812
http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=27670
http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?p=245776

Before I posted it up every month, there was even several posts by newbies that wanted to have one that don't know we already have one. And some have actually requested that I post up a reminder. That's why I do it.


Ummmm...Mike?
I think Avery was siding with you. Making sure that that kind of thread was and should be allowable. I see no nudity in your posts or threads....well, except for that unfortunate event with Josh and the Dana 300...so there is no reason not to allow it.
:D

[cracker]

WTF is that about? What do you have against me posting up a M&G? Besides, it's not MY dinner, it was actually started on NAXJA by someone else 4 years ago and has been going solid every month since.

http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=28812
http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=27670
http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?p=245776

Before I posted it up every month, there was even several posts by newbies that wanted to have one that don't know we already have one. And some have actually requested that I post up a reminder. That's why I do it.

http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=961805

:laugh3:

I was wondering if the 'new super fix everything' rules would not allow me to see your wonderful steak cuisine. Double Arrogant Bastard must have made you forget :D

[cracker]

Ummmm...Mike?
I think Avery was siding with you. Making sure that that kind of thread was and should be allowable. I see no nudity in your posts or threads....well, except for that unfortunate event with Josh and the Dana 300...so there is no reason not to allow it.
:D

;)

Mac users............

[GrimmJeeper]

I don't live at home with my parents and I am not single.... what the hell does that have to do with anything? who are you making reference to?

[tcm glx]

what the hell does that have to do with anything? who are you making reference to?

I am assuming more time on his hands......not sure if he is referencing anyone though...

[JohnX]

The ONE issue I have is there has been to much BS off topic threads in the so cal forum. We have 2 places for random chit chat BS and yet it always ends up in the chapter forum.
Agreed 100%. Very few other complaints, but this is a big one. I am sick of the entire first page being threads about BS topic, non tech topics, tech topics, etc. Stuff that in no way relates directly to SOCAL.


I would also like to thank all you who didn't vote for me :D Now I don't have to listen to all you whiney babies talk trash about each other, bod, mods, etc. :tears: :cry:

I am also tired of the "every one here hates go fast" crap. Events are organized by someone starting it up.....Be that SOMEONE. I have been to Azusa, cleghorn, and damn near anywhere else someone posts up for. I flat out refuse to go to Azusa anymore because of the BS tickets some of us got in the parking lot last time I was there. As for cleg...one of my favorites and VERY local for me. I make it as long as I don't have other plans. And I guess maybe I am one step shy of being an elitist crawler with lockers, winch, and 35's....But I still do make it to the smaller events on occassion.


Flame on you bunch of whiney biatches.

[FordGuy]

what the hell does that have to do with anything? who are you making reference to?

I don't think he meant it to be derogatory.

[cal]

I don't live at home with my parents and I am not single (these are not bad things, just different freedoms)

I'm confused. The only one of us that I am aware of living at home with parents is Remi .. but he owns and pays for the house? I pay my parents car insurance, but don't have the brass balls to pay for their housing too.

[mikedashg]

http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=961805

:laugh3:

I was wondering if the 'new super fix everything' rules would not allow me to see your wonderful steak cuisine. Double Arrogant Bastard must have made you forget :D

OH! LOL, sorry, ignore me, too much DAB turned me into a Bastard. Got a growler of Oaked in the fridge.

No wonder I didn't get what the F it was about.

[tcm glx]

Agreed 100%. Very few other complaints, but this is a big one. I am sick of the entire first page being threads about BS topic, non tech topics, tech topics, etc. Stuff that in no way relates directly to SOCAL.


I would also like to thank all you a holes who didn't vote for me :D Now I don't have to listen to all you whiney babies talk shit about eachother, bod, mods, etc. :tears: :cry:

I am also tired of the "every one here hates go fast" crap. Events are organized by someone starting it up.....Be that SOMEONE. I have been to Azusa, cleghorn, and damn near anywhere else someone posts up for. I flat out refuse to go to Azusa anymore because of the BS tickets some of us got in the parking lot last time I was there. As for cleg...one of my favorites and VERY local for me. I make it as long as I don't have other plans. And I guess maybe I am one step shy of being an elitist crawler with lockers, winch, and 35's....But I still do make it to the smaller events on occassion.


Flame on you bunch of whiney bitches.

John do you need a hug........ here goes one for you!!:smootch:

[rpraterxj]

what the hell does that have to do with anything? who are you making reference to?

Can I make an f'ning comment without someone thinking it was aimed at some specific? I just made a freaking comment!

No one specific. There are many different types of folks here and some folks have more time than others. Some of the previous BOD members mentioned earlier were in fact single or had a nice amount of "free time". I had more free tiem before the new job and I participated more then as well.

[cal]

Can I make an f'ning comment without someone thinking it was aimed at some specific? I just made a freaking comment!

No one specific. There are many different types of folks here and some folks have more time than others. Some of the previous BOD members mentioned earlier were in fact single or had a nice amount of "free time". I had more free tiem before the new job and I participated more then as well.

Oh, my bad then. I retract my remi comment.

Sorry remi, no brass balls for you.

:)

[Skwerly]

People would be friendlier if the forums were blue.


:yelclap:

[99xjache]

Agreed 100%. Very few other complaints, but this is a big one. I am sick of the entire first page being threads about BS topic, non tech topics, tech topics, etc. Stuff that in no way relates directly to SOCAL.


I would also like to thank all you a holes who didn't vote for me :D Now I don't have to listen to all you whiney babies talk shit about eachother, bod, mods, etc. :tears: :cry:

I am also tired of the "every one here hates go fast" crap. Events are organized by someone starting it up.....Be that SOMEONE. I have been to Azusa, cleghorn, and damn near anywhere else someone posts up for. I flat out refuse to go to Azusa anymore because of the BS tickets some of us got in the parking lot last time I was there. As for cleg...one of my favorites and VERY local for me. I make it as long as I don't have other plans. And I guess maybe I am one step shy of being an elitist crawler with lockers, winch, and 35's....But I still do make it to the smaller events on occassion.


Flame on you bunch of whiney bitches.
I solute you John. Great response, but too many smilies. Smilies are gay.












another worthless post

[rpraterxj]

Oh, my bad then. I retract my remi comment.

Sorry remi, no brass balls for you.

:)


You crack me up!

[GrimmJeeper]

People would be friendlier if the forums were blue.


:yelclap:hahahahhahaha i agree, red is such a confrontational color... :D


i can climb your wall, i just dont wanna...


:cheers:

[tcm glx]

People would be friendlier if the forums were blue.


:yelclap:

I want blue forums, I want blue forums, I want blue forums!!

[cal]

You crack me up!

Thats my mission in life! To take .. balls..away from .. poles..

i give up. Going to find a beer.

[TheWarWagon]

who gives a crap? nothing is going to change around here.

[cal]

who gives a damn? nothing is going to change around here.

Thats the attitude! When are we going for that beer I owe you?

[Darky]

There is a trend of people talking for lack of a better word
Better words...let's see, crap, trash, garbage, non-sense, BS...5 without trying...

Which brings me to a complaint of mine: the increase in cussing and foul language on the open forums due to people's laziness/unwillingness to use a couple extra brain cells to come up with something else.
Bryce, not necessarily a personal attack on you (although it kind of is...;)) but its been getting worse on a regular basis. People talk about upholding the rules, putting forth a good face to new users, etc, well let's uphold the rules on language...

[rpraterxj]

Going to find a beer.


I finished a couple already. Skinny Dip, Hef, and now I am opening an ice cold FAT TIRE!!!!

Oh, and I took a darvaset.....

good night!



:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :speepin: :speepin:

[rpraterxj]

Which brings me to a complaint of mine: the increase in cussing and foul language on the open forums due to people's laziness/unwillingness to use a couple extra brain cells to come up with something else. People talk about upholding the rules, putting forth a good face to new users, etc, well let's uphold the rules on language...

This right along the lines of what I am talking about. We all need to make an effort and teh BOD will make more effort to ensure threads are cleaner. If someone finds a thread with offensive language, report it.

Thank you!

[TheWarWagon]

Thats the attitude!

it is what it is. whenever man. right now I don't have a pot to piss in, but I'm always around the IE/OC. just give me a call. but don't I owe you the beer?

[cal]

I finished a couple already. Skinny Dip, Hef, and now I am opening an ice cold FAT TIRE!!!!

Oh, and I took a darvaset.....

good night!



:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :speepin: :speepin:

Seriously? I couldn't tell. Posts like this one don't say that at all: (look at the spelling..) :)

There will be mroe participation from the BOD. I believe that Remi and Josh have been more involved than I have and I have stated i had some personal issue I will not bring up. Things have gooten better and I am getting back into the groove. if anyone has a problem with me, let me know back channel. I know served you all well and I almost stepped down but was encouraged not to. Now that things are better and I am ready.

Now you told me not to take offense to your comment yet you tell me you are offended by the BOD doing their job. Mayeb we haev not done a great job, but that does not mean we can not. I firmly believe what I stated previously about having the best group of people. I also believe this can be turn around very quickly. If folks don't want to be a part of it they do not have to be. That is the case with NAXJA and every thread in it. you have the option to read, post, comment, or ignore.

[cal]

it is what it is. whenever man. right now I don't have a pot to piss in, but I'm always around the IE/OC. just give me a call. but don't I owe you the beer?

Not when you don't have a pot to piss in, no. :) I can provide you with several empty pint glasses for the job..

God i hope no one confuses it for bud light!

[rpraterxj]

Seriously? I couldn't tell. Posts like this one don't say that at all: (look at the spelling..) :)


:lecture:

:doh:

:wave:

:rolleyes:

:gag:

[Ryno XJ]

Good night Robert!

:laugh:

[silverslk]

WOW!! I go away to watch Generation Kill on HBO and this is what happens!!!

[mikedashg]

WOW!! I go away to watch Generation Kill on HBO and this is what happens!!!

Yeah Festivus came early this year. Airing of Grievances are a plenty tonight.

Where's the pole? Oh, nm, it's up everyones a$$e$$, mine included. Nuff said.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/08/Festivus-Pole-from-Seinfeld.png/800px-Festivus-Pole-from-Seinfeld.png

[silverslk]

Agreed 100%. Very few other complaints, but this is a big one. I am sick of the entire first page being threads about BS topic, non tech topics, tech topics, etc. Stuff that in no way relates directly to SOCAL.

I am tired of hearing "someone PM'd me and complained" from Robert evrrytime someone has a problem with a post. WTF...go crying to the president? POST UP AND SAY SOMETHING.

The way I understand it. If it's jeep related (like tech) it has it's own forum. Stuff that we as SOCAL want to discuss shouldn't be a problem. Most the "BS" posts you refer to probably have more views than threads you would want to see.

I am also tired of the "every one here hates go fast" crap. Events are organized by someone starting it up.....Be that SOMEONE. I have been to Azusa, cleghorn, and damn near anywhere else someone posts up for. I flat out refuse to go to Azusa anymore because of the BS tickets some of us got in the parking lot last time I was there. As for cleg...one of my favorites and VERY local for me. I make it as long as I don't have other plans. And I guess maybe I am one step shy of being an elitist crawler with lockers, winch, and 35's....But I still do make it to the smaller events on occassion.


Flame on you bunch of whiney bitches.

READ some of the threads lately. There are threads about going out to the races and watching. I don't NEED to be that SOMEONE. I just think people bashing guys who want to go run their rigs more (even though its not HARD CORE) is weak.

[Skwerly]

Well, I hate to sound like a total tool, but I'm with Darky on the language bit. It's one thing to call someone an asshat (which is pretty dang comical, if you ask me), and quite another to use F-Bombs and street slang for body parts.

I always try to make my posts family-friendly, at least to some degree. A rebel is a rebel, but a pottymouth is just that. Pick up a thesaurus, y'all!

:)

[GauchoMD]

Damn, this thread has gone nowhere, fast. Let's just all agree to disagree and get back to being the helpful bunch of Cherokee owners that I'm glad to be a part of...

[Ryno XJ]

Damn, this thread has gone nowhere, fast. Let's just all agree to disagree and get back to being the helpful bunch of Cherokee owners that I'm glad to be a part of...
I second that!!!

[djblade311]

If SoCal BOD isnt respected, then we haven't earned it. goes for everyone else too. earn your respect instead of whizzing on an electric fence and complaining that its the fence's fault that it hurts.

Cal and Grimm stop trying to read into certain comments and spin them to seem derogatory. all that misunderstanding can start more e-drama. I get enough of that from my wife. :P

Does everyone need a beer and a hug or what? Enough of the e-drama and whining. If I've done something wrong, I expect you guys to tell me backchannel or call me. I'll buy you a damn beer and shoot the caca.

[tcm glx]

If SoCal BOD isnt respected, then we haven't earned it. goes for everyone else too. earn your respect instead of whizzing on an electric fence and complaining that its the fence's fault that it hurts.

Cal and Grimm stop trying to read into certain comments and spin them to seem derogatory. all that misunderstanding can start more e-drama. I get enough of that from my wife. :P

Does everyone need a beer and a hug or what? Enough of the e-drama and whining. If I've done something wrong, I expect you guys to tell me backchannel or call me. I'll buy you a damn beer and shoot the caca.



Will you also belly dance for us?
:scared:

[GrimmJeeper]

im not reading into anything Josh. i was just wondering why such a statement would be made when it has nothing to do with the conversation at hand.
excuse the hell out of me for Rob opening a can of worms he can't contain. if you dont want to know whats wrong dont ask just hush everyone up and edit out all the parts you dont want to hear. this is going nowhere. time to :gag:

[GauchoMD]

If SoCal BOD isnt respected, then we haven't earned it. goes for everyone else too. earn your respect instead of whizzing on an electric fence and complaining that its the fence's fault that it hurts.

Cal and Grimm stop trying to read into certain comments and spin them to seem derogatory. all that misunderstanding can start more e-drama. I get enough of that from my wife. :P

Does everyone need a beer and a hug or what? Enough of the e-drama and whining. If I've done something wrong, I expect you guys to tell me backchannel or call me. I'll buy you a damn beer and shoot the caca.

I need a beer :peace:

[cds36]

If SoCal BOD isnt respected, then we haven't earned it. goes for everyone else too. earn your respect instead of whizzing on an electric fence and complaining that its the fence's fault that it hurts.

Cal and Grimm stop trying to read into certain comments and spin them to seem derogatory. all that misunderstanding can start more e-drama. I get enough of that from my wife. :P

Does everyone need a beer and a hug or what? Enough of the e-drama and whining. If I've done something wrong, I expect you guys to tell me backchannel or call me. I'll buy you a damn beer and shoot the caca.


He said CACA

[rpraterxj]

im not reading into anything Josh. i was just wondering why such a statement would be made when it has nothing to do with the conversation at hand.
excuse the hell out of me for Rob opening a can of worms he can't contain. if you dont want to know whats wrong dont ask just hush everyone up and edit out all the parts you dont want to hear. this is going nowhere. time to :gag:

Not sure what you mean about not containing. I have not asked anyone to hush up. I have edited the threads to remove the cursing - BY REQUEST!

I am interested in talk with anyone, just hit me up back channel.

As for the statement, I am not sure how many folks read into or took it the way you did. I meant absolutely nothing in particular towards anyone. You are not single nor live at home so I am not sure why you took it however you did.

I am not stirring any pots or pointing any fingers. I try my best not to do that.

From reading through the responses, part of the problem (I think) is that folks don't believe or don't want it to change. Again, no one in particular, but anyone can read through and see what I mean.

As a group, we need to not be so negative or narrow minded. We all need to be a littel thicker skinned. There have been some things that went too far or should have never been said. Airing things out in public threads is not the way to do it.

My intentions for this thread was not to air dirty laundry or drag up old personal issues. It was to bring to light some of the things we as a chapter can work on to make it a better place.

[Monkey55]

Robert,

I commend you for stepping up to the plate. Yes, you had to take a step back because of personal reasons. Family does comes first. I remember you posting up that you had important life situations to deal address. You invited members to contact you if they had NAXJA issues. You even posted up your phone number to make it easier for people to contact you.

So, this is where the rubber meets the road. I think you'll do a great job now that you back and ready to lead the SoCal Chapter.

Like you said earlier, if someone thinks they can do a better job, then step up.

E

btw - The blue forum theme was better. ;)

[cal]

If SoCal BOD isnt respected, then we haven't earned it. goes for everyone else too. earn your respect instead of whizzing on an electric fence and complaining that its the fence's fault that it hurts.

In general, you have my respect as a chapter BOD member, and you earned it.


Cal and Grimm stop trying to read into certain comments and spin them to seem derogatory. all that misunderstanding can start more e-drama. I get enough of that from my wife. :P

What the [edited for rpraterxj] does that mean? I'm not trying to spin anything derogatory or be negative. I have gone out of my way to express my opinions without being negative or pointing any manner of specific blame, and within the ability of the context, be polite about it.


Does everyone need a beer and a hug or what? Enough of the e-drama and whining. If I've done something wrong, I expect you guys to tell me backchannel or call me. I'll buy you a damn beer and shoot the caca.

I thought I wanted a beer and a hug. I had a beer and looked around, but all I found was Cracker and a cat incarnate of Satan himself. No hugs here. :)

[Jump This]

Did I ever mention how much I love this group!

:D

Honest!

[JohnX]

I am tired of hearing "someone PM'd me and complained" from Robert evrrytime someone has a problem with a post. WTF...go crying to the president? POST UP AND SAY SOMETHING.

For the record....I have NEVER reported a post for anything but porn spamming. I do find it annoying to have all the extra stuff in socal....But thats what Robert asked for, so I posted it here for all to see in an open forum. As of your post, I had already gone through and posted in several threads last night that I thought were misplaced. I did so all in plain sight, just as you suggest now.


The way I understand it. If it's jeep related (like tech) it has it's own forum. Stuff that we as SOCAL want to discuss shouldn't be a problem. Most the "BS" posts you refer to probably have more views than threads you would want to see.Yep, that sounds about right. But how would you know what I want to see??? And they might have even more views if they were posted in tech or non tech accordingly.


READ some of the threads lately. There are threads about going out to the races and watching. I don't NEED to be that SOMEONE. I just think people bashing guys who want to go run their rigs more (even though its not HARD CORE) is weak.

Right. There are threads about the stuff you want to do. I happen to despise "watching" a race. I don't watch races or any form of sport on TV or otherwise. I feel they are for the most part boring and usually worse in person. So should I attend an event that I have no desire to be at?? You'll kindly notice that I have never posted anything negative about any of these events (with the exception of letting folks know about Azusas shortfalls). You might even notice that I just generally ignore threads that don't interest me. If more folks here did that, there wouldn't be all this bickering now.


Andy, please don't take this or my previous post personally, I was not directing it at you or anybody else. Just call them how I see them.

[FordGuy]

[quote=JohnX]

There are threads about the stuff you want to do. I happen to despise "watching" a race. I don't watch races or any form of sport on TV or otherwise. I feel they are for the most part boring and usually worse in person. So should I attend an event that I have no desire to be at??

I feel the same about some sports, and if I am not working a pit at a race it sometimes can be boring, but I think it's more about hanging out with your Friends and it gives you a good reason to get together. It's like Nascar, It sucks until 3-4 of you friends come over, crack open a few beers, and all of a sudden its fun. I would never watch Nascar alone, Boring!!

[Ryno XJ]

Did anyone sleep last night?????

:rof:

[1xfloppy]

Did anyone sleep last night?????

:rof:i did!!!

[FordGuy]

I felt a little irritated!

[ruggedjeep]

The ONE issue I have is there has been to much bullshit off topic threads in the so cal forum. We have 2 places for random chit chat BS and yet it always ends up in the chapter forum.
:wstupid:

[Bent]

Sure seems to be a lot of people tripping over their tampon strings.


Nominated.

[erikwylie]

Man cards expired last week!!!

[1xfloppy]

Man cards expired last week!!!dp you validate erik? lol

[Darky]

X3 for me also, He does absolutly no good for Naxja, I dont give a crap what he did before, I only see what he's doing now. I havent read one good or positive thread from him.

I recall Stumpalump who everyone said was a great guy, real nice to hang out with, helped out a lot behind the scenes, etc, but he couldn't contain himself on NAXJA and he's banned. Capt Ron seems no different. I can't recall the last time I saw him post something helpful, just crazy drunken, foul rants where he calls people out and bags on whatever's happening.

[cal]

I recall Stumpalump who everyone said was a great guy, real nice to hang out with, helped out a lot behind the scenes, etc, but he couldn't contain himself on NAXJA and he's banned. Capt Ron seems no different. I can't recall the last time I saw him post something helpful, just crazy drunken, foul rants where he calls people out and bags on whatever's happening.

Stumpalump was banned for repeated, directed personal attacks.

Ron may call people out, but I have never seen him outright attack someone.

[erikwylie]

dp you validate erik? lol

Sorry validation machine is covered in creme!

[1xfloppy]

Sorry validation machine is covered in creme!bummer...expect a pm soon man

[cal]

I seem to recall him telling Grimm that he was "stupid enough to die" because he suggested getting a boat from a non-Capt ROn- approved site...

Put it back in context.


I'm not saying Ron should not put it in check, but there is no comparing him to what Stump was doing, and Stump got about 20 warnings, several time-outs, and phone calls from nearly half the BOD during which he promised to cut it out - a promise that lasted nearly 30 minutes each time.

[Skullver]

no complaints here(other than my poor health right now), I would just like to thank the BOD for a thankless job no doubt.

As for Ron, meh, he bugs me with his posting content(or lack thereof) but I can very easily ignore him and his posts. I guess if he doesn't mind the image he is portraying to new users, there is nothing that says he is not entitled to his "opinion", however harsh and liquor muddled it may be.

Once again, thanks to the bod and members for making naxja...naxja.
cheers

edit: I guess I have one small gripe about the advanced fab section not available to users(non paying members). I think naxja bit itself on the butt with that one as it will only detract from any possible tech, but I'm sure there was some sort of logical thought process behind it.

[silverslk]

dp you violate erik? lol


Did you just ask Erik to dp violate you????lastara

[Leep]

Ok, so the consus is that Capt Ron is not well liked. OHHHH WELL, ignor him like a fly and he will go away....ok ok ok, the adle threats are are a little much, take it back channel.

There is a ton of other crap here that is going on as well that WE are all tired of. You got a problem with someone work it out, like Bryce and I. We had it worked out but the rumors never did. If there is a rumor then call them on it, thanks Ben, it got it all in the open, but whoever started that rumor and not call me is a CS skumbag. Just call and ask, don't assume something in which you dont know.

C'mon all you tards that are e-drama melodramatic (you know who you are), get with the game here. If someone does not want to go on a run for what ever reason, it is their reason, there is no need to bag on anyone and it does not belong here.

Take a look at all the threads, a really good look. Most all of them are e-drama, shit or get off the pot already. I am over it so should you. Get back to what this forum is all about, wheeling, helping others, offering help, that is why I joined. Imagine what this looks like to newbies that hit this site for the first time and see all this drama.

Sure, put the group buys where they belong, put the adv fab question in that area, post up if you are gonna be to a M&G or want to hit your favorite wheeling spot, see who wants to join you. Just keep the drama out of it. You want drama, come listen to my 14 ry old daughtor for an hour, you will get your fill

We are all adults here (well most of us), act like it. Shit, my dog has more common sense then most of the tards here( again, you know who you are).

Good luck on all your weeling adventures and BE SAFE...

[djblade311]

amen...

[4xSanta]

143 days to Christmas folks.......SANTA

[Jump This]

Its all Robert's fault!

:D

[cracker]

Its all Robert's fault!

:D

:laugh3:

[GrimmJeeper]

Its all Robert's fault!

:Di thought it was Ben's fault? or Ron's fault? maybe its my fault?


ahhh im confused!

[1xfloppy]

143 days to Christmas folks.......SANTAdude you crack me up...amidst all this you can stil think about delivering presents to everyone lol

[hellbilly04]

looks like everyone on NAXJA is getting coal in their stocking this year:D

143 days to Christmas folks.......SANTA

[1xfloppy]

looks like everyone on NAXJA is getting coal in their stocking this year:Dehh oh well...

[GrimmJeeper]

looks like everyone on NAXJA is getting coal in their stocking this year:D woohoo that means another BBQ :D

[1xfloppy]

woohoo that means another BBQ :Ddoes this mean party at grimms house?

[FordGuy]

woohoo that means another BBQ :D

Food and Beer, It will fix everything!

[cal]

looks like everyone on NAXJA is getting coal in their stocking this year:D

Lets put it in a bag. We can raffle it off at bigbear. ;)

[Ryno XJ]

I guess I won't get anything this year since I already got half a bag of coal at the Rock Garden! Bummer, oh well maybe next year.

:bawl::bawl::bawl:

[TheWarWagon]

more coal for the hookah. i'm ok with that.....

[silverslk]

more coal for the hookah. i'm ok with that.....


Yeah.......hookah.........right.:greensmok

[1xfloppy]

more coal for the hookah. i'm ok with that.....
hookah? is that slang for hooker?

[FordGuy]

hookah? is that slang for hooker? Its what comes before the hooker!

[1xfloppy]

Its what comes before the hooker!


oh ok....i think i know what it is now....i used to have 3 in iraq!

[rpraterxj]

Its all Robert's fault!

:D

:moon:

This thread turned into an example of what I was referring to originally.

There are lots of great things to be said about the people and the things we do. Do not forget we are all XJ enthusiast! We all like to wheel - some rocks, some mud, some desert racing, some mall, etc...

It was best said to drop the drama. Start PMing folks with your gripe or concern.

thanks for all of the comments, good and bad. BTW, I have had to edit this thread due to language or statements.

This not a bag on so and so or who is right or wrong. It's to air some laundry and to make a point that most folks are tired of some of the things going on.

Let's wheel SOON!!!!!

[Jump This]

Will you just lock this damn thread?
I can say 'damn' right?
;)

[rpraterxj]

Will you just lock this damn thread?
I can say 'damn' right?
;)


Ok already! DANG!

Locking.

I think the point has gotten across.

:cheers: :cheers: