That US Army Officer's account of Obama, yeah well he was lying. . ..

[SBrad001]

From the Army Times, not exactly a leftist liberal rag. . . .

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/07/Military_blog.Obama_072508w/

[90Blue_XJ]

I am inclined to believe the original e-mail as true and that this officer was forced to recant his prior statements for some political reason or another. The Army times is reporting the story they were given to report not the fact that it is or is not true.

[SBrad001]

I am inclined to believe the original e-mail as true and that this officer was forced to recant his prior statements for some political reason or another. The Army times is reporting the story they were given to report not the fact that it is or is not true.

Yeah, okay. It's not like ANYBODY around here has a deep pathological hatred of Obama(er, Osama as some of you like to call him). Seriously, you can't keep enlisted from talking about something like this. If it were true, there would've been corroborating accounts by now. The Captain was lying, you know, I know, we all know.

Plus, it's not like the military loves Obama, who's pressuring them to re-write history? Who has that clout?

[matt6669]

Still doesn't change my views on the guy, I'm still not voting for him. I think he's a huge liar and the only reason he's still around is because the media is pushing for him.

[90Blue_XJ]

Not gonna debate his lack of merits but any fool can see that he is trying to pull the wool over America's eyes. He has an agenda for this country that none of us are going to like. He is being coddled by the press and McCain is getting the shaft by them. You may like him for your own personal reasons but I would not vote for Osamabama if he was the only candidate running.

[Trail-Axe]

Not gonna debate his lack of merits but any fool can see that he is trying to pull the wool over America's eyes. He has an agenda for this country that none of us are going to like. He is being coddled by the press and McCain is getting the shaft by them. You may like him for your own personal reasons but I would not vote for Osamabama if he was the only candidate running.

X2

[fscrig75]

He was probably forced to recant his email because he isn't allowed to give a political opion while in uniform or using his rank. If he had wrote the email and just used his name with no rank that it would be fine. The military is not allowed to show bias to political side.
Yes you see former military members at rallies but you should not be seeing any active duty people, in uniform, at rallies.
The biggest slap in the face was when he wouldn't go to the hospital in Germany to see the wounded troops. Yea he can blame it on the Pentagon all he wants but all they asked him to do is leave is campaign people at home and not bring them with him.

[JNickel101]

He was probably forced to recant his email because he isn't allowed to give a political opion while in uniform or using his rank. If he had wrote the email and just used his name with no rank that it would be fine. The military is not allowed to show bias to political side.
Yes you see former military members at rallies but you should not be seeing any active duty people, in uniform, at rallies.
The biggest slap in the face was when he wouldn't go to the hospital in Germany to see the wounded troops. Yea he can blame it on the Pentagon all he wants but all they asked him to do is leave is campaign people at home and not bring them with him.

Yep, you hit it right on the head there....

[8Mud]

There is a regulation about "contempt" of an elected official. Senators are on the list of those (in effect) that it's against the law to be contemptuous of when you are serving, especially in uniform.
The guy was likely given the option of recanting or of being charged. His carrier is likely over for being dumb anyway, officers are supposed to know better.
The vast majority of people in government, industry and even entertainment, at his level, are pretty much blind to or contemptuous of Joe citizen.
I used to drive and body guard for some relatively upper class types (way back when). Ninety eight percent of them look through you, not at you. There are exceptions, Reagan was one.

[Phil]

Yeah, okay. It's not like ANYBODY around here has a deep pathological hatred of Obama(er, Osama as some of you like to call him).

What's wrong with a personal attack when you can't figure out anything else to critisize a person for?

[Mudderoy]

Based on what is being reported, I'd say it's a wash. About all you can consider it is a bit of "gossip".

Liberals will get a bit of "hope" that Obama will win because there is so much positive press, but that doesn't reflect the feelings of the voters.

You may feel more comfortable around the sheep, but if you want protection you'll want the sheep dog next to you. This is why McCain will win. Same reason Bush won re-election. OMG Kerry, that was a sad pathetic candidate. At least you dems have a better chance with Obama (a.k.a. Osama Obama). :o

[fscrig75]

There is a regulation about "contempt" of an elected official. Senators are on the list of those (in effect) that it's against the law to be contemptuous of when you are serving, especially in uniform.
The guy was likely given the option of recanting or of being charged. His carrier is likely over for being dumb anyway, officers are supposed to know better.
The vast majority of people in government, industry and even entertainment, at his level, are pretty much blind to or contemptuous of Joe citizen.
I used to drive and body guard for some relatively upper class types (way back when). Ninety eight percent of them look through you, not at you. There are exceptions, Reagan was one.

He can say, write, and attend rallies all he likes. But the moment he starts using his rank to identify himself, thats where he gets into trouble.

[JNickel101]

...which is why its obvious he was forced into all this. If this WAS just a letter to his family, who signs an email to their family with their rank and full name? :D

[fscrig75]

...which is why its obvious he was forced into all this. If this WAS just a letter to his family, who signs an email to their family with their rank and full name? :D

The only thing I would say is that who ever from his family used his name and rank with out his permission when they posted the email where ever they did. He probably had no idea that it happened until it was to late.

[Mudderoy]

...which is why its obvious he was forced into all this. If this WAS just a letter to his family, who signs an email to their family with their rank and full name? :D

Why people went with Obama is beyond me. Hillary had a much better chance.

I predict Obama is going to come apart like a cheap suit before election day.

It will be sad, yet entertaining to watch.

[Mudderoy]

There are exceptions, Reagan was one.

Reagan was cool. I loved his comment as he came into a press meeting...

"My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes."

People were afraid of Reagan. This was the problem prior to Reagan, America was so passive we needed a strong leader. I don't want America to be a war, but I am glad we are FINALLY showing these tough talking bullies a thing or two. I am glad we have a president that does what needs to be done, and not just what the bipolar America people want from one minute to the next.

:patriot:

[8Mud]

Reagan came through L.A. in a motorcade type visit when I was home on leave once. That night in a press conference he said "I want to thank all the people who came out to wave at my motorcade, I just wish they would have used all of their fingers". Got to love his style. :)

[Bent]

By: Newsmax Editorial


Sen. Barack Obama’s international globe-hopping to the Mideast and Europe was meant to burnish his credentials as a foreign policy and potential military leader – the strong suit of his Republican rival Sen. John McCain.

Despite the media love fest over the political junket, Obama has yet to pull away from McCain in the polls. His campaign had expected a minimum eight-point lead after Obama clinched the Democratic nomination back in June, with even more momentum moving his way as the campaign progressed.

Both the most recent Real Clear Politics rolling average and the Rasmussen tracking poll that coincided with the end of Obama’s trip this weekend show Obama with just a five-point lead over McCain -- consistent with his numbers for the past two months. [Press reports this weekend have almost completely ignored the Rasmussen poll to only report on a Gallup poll, which showed Obama with a nine-point lead. Not as good as the Newsweek poll from June, which had Obama 15 points ahead of McCain.]

With President Bush suffering low approval ratings, the economy moving into a recession as gas prices surge above $4 a gallon, and growing resentment about the unending war in Iraq, Obama should be pulling away in the polls.

But he isn’t.

The Obama campaign has been quick to be out front on the bad news, claiming -- at the end of the trip -- it never expected a poll bounce from Obama’s trip anyway.

Obama campaign manager David Plouffe told Politico’s Mike Allen: “We wouldn’t expect any sort of -- I guess the term people use is ‘bounce.’”


In fact, during Obama’s global meet-and-greet tour, McCain’s poll numbers have risen in key battleground states like Ohio.

As crowds cheered Obama globally, Americans here on the homefront were left wondering if the Illinois senator wants to be their president -- or the president of some other country. [And whether the major U.S. media would at least offer the pretense of objectivity. An MSNBC poll from last week found that 47 percent of the public thought the coverage of Obama’s trip was “excessive.”]

After Obama’s speech to an estimated 200,000 Germans in Berlin, a columnist for Britain’s Guardian newspaper began his review this way: “Barack Obama has found his people. But, unfortunately for his election prospects, they're German, not American.”

Obama's speech to the Germans left much to be desired, from an American’s perspective.

For starters, the crowd’s size was beefed up by the fact that the event was billed as a free rock concert for German citizens, with popular musical performers helping to draw the big crowd. Scant U.S. media even noted the warm-up rock draws of reggae artist Patrice and rock band Reamonn.


Then there was the simple stage, with the podium surrounded by three potted plants. Missing was the American flag -- nowhere to be seen. Perhaps Obama’s staff might consider the U.S. flag offensive.

And then there was his speech, in which he proudly proclaimed he was in Germany as a “a fellow citizen of the world.”

And there was the spectacle of the presidential wannabe going to a foreign land to apologize about the United States.

Obama told his German audience he was sorry about his country because “I know my country has not perfected itself.” [This comment was made in the former seat of Nazi power. A letter to editor published in Obama’s hometown Chicago Tribune noted the irony: “While America may not be perfect, there is no reason to apologize to the Germans, architects of the Holocaust.”]

As for America’s role in saving Germany from the onslaught of Stalinist communism and the subsequent Cold War, there was nothing.

There was a rhetorical flourish about the Berlin Wall coming down, but nothing about the great American sacrifice, not to mention how our military might made President Reagan’s call -- “Tear down this wall, Mr. Gorbachev” -- a reality.

There was a fleeting mention of the famous Berlin airlift of 1948 that President Truman ordered to thwart the Soviet blockade that sought to starve West Berlin.

As Boston Globe columnist Jeff Jacoby wrote, “Obama seemed to go out of his way not to say plainly that what saved Berlin in that dark time was America's military might.

“Save for a solitary reference to ‘the first American plane,’ he never described one of the greatest American operations of the postwar period as an American operation at all. He spoke only of ‘the airlift,’ ‘the planes,’ ‘those pilots.’ Perhaps their American identity wasn't something he cared to stress amid all his ‘people of the world’ salutations and talk of ‘global citizenship.’”

The Hollywood-staged Obama event for a man who has yet to ascend to the presidency didn’t sit well with all the Germans. Germany’s Stern magazine carried the headline "Barack Kant Saves the World."

One of their columnists, Florian Güssgen, wrote: "The man is perfect, impeccable, slick. Almost too slick … Obama's speech was often vague, sometimes banal and more reminiscent of John Lennon's feel good song 'Imagine' than of a foreign policy agenda."

Slickness without substance seemed to be the enduring theme of his trip. Among the little hiccups covered up by the major media, there were several gaffes on the global coronation trip.

Perhaps the most notable -- and reprehensible -- was Obama’s decision to cancel a visit to wounded American soldiers at Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in southern Germany.

Apparently, the Pentagon informed Obama that since his visit was a political one, the hospital visit would be only open to him and his official Senate staff. This excluded the press and campaign officials.

The Pentagon did offer to allow Obama’s campaign plane to land at the nearby U.S. air base at Ramstein. The media also was to be accommodated there.

Without the photo opportunity and his press entourage, Obama declined to meet the wounded soldiers. At first, Obama’s campaign claimed to the press he decided to cancel the trip to visit the troops because it was "a trip funded by the campaign," and therefore somehow inappropriate. [What is inappropriate about a presidential candidate visiting wounded troops?]

But the Obama story belies the fact it was only after the Pentagon closed the event to his traveling press, that Obama’s campaign nixed the event.
Rightfully, McCain noted that it is never inappropriate for a candidate or official to visit U.S. troops.

"If I had been told by the Pentagon that I couldn't visit those troops, and I was there and wanted to be there, I guarantee you, there would have been a seismic event," McCain said.

McCain continued the attack on ABC News Sunday show “This Week”: “Those troops would have loved to see him, and I know of no Pentagon regulation that would’ve prevented him from going there” without the news media.

The McCain campaign has been quick to pounce on Obama’s obvious slight to the troops and double-talk, airing a new commercial this weekend.
“And now, he made time to go to the gym, but canceled a visit with wounded troops,” the ad says. “Seems the Pentagon wouldn’t allow him to bring cameras. John McCain is always there for our troops.”

McCain added that Obama “certainly found time to do other things."

One of those other things Obama did was visit Paris and hold a joint press conference with French President Nicolas Sarkozy, typical of an American president visiting the French capital.

Interestingly, The New York Times quoted Elysee officials that “Obama aides insisted that an American flag not be displayed alongside the French flag because Mr. Obama is only a visiting senator and not the president.”

There is no protocol preventing an American official from having the flag displayed when abroad.

America snubbed once again by a lame excuse.

[Darky]

Its just Obama trying to ease into a one world gov't where nation-states have no meaning...jk, or am I

:D

[Ramsey]

Yeah obama sucks, socialism sucks, but, enough with the osama references, you just come off as in ignorant redneck when you "slip up" and say that.

[Darky]

Yeah obama sucks, socialism sucks, but, enough with the osama references, you just come off as in ignorant redneck when you "slip up" and say that.
And this from an ignorant redneck!!:eek:;)

[hitchhiker]

Either choice is better then the last 8 years.

[IndyXJ]

Its just Obama trying to ease into a one world gov't where nation-states have no meaning...jk, or am I

:D

Obama and Hillary were in VA the same time Bilderberg met this year...:skull1: :skull2:

[SBrad001]

Its just Obama trying to ease into a one world gov't where nation-states have no meaning...jk, or am I

:D

Dude, it was Bush the Elder that pushed for the 'New World Order'. . . .

[tbburg]

Damien666: Either choice is better then Carter,... well, maybe not.

Fixed it for you.

[SBrad001]

Damien666: Either choice is better then Carter,... well, maybe not.

Fixed it for you.

Carter worse than Bush the Slow of Mind? You are kidding, right? I know legally retarded people that would have made better presidents than that pickled cokehead.

[Ramsey]

And this from an ignorant redneck!!:eek:;)
I know, its that bad.

[tbburg]

Sbrad001: Were you talking about Clinton?:roflmao:

[WrenchMonkey]

Obama's speech was often vague, sometimes banal and more reminiscent of John Lennon's feel good song 'Imagine' than of a foreign policy agenda."

That about sums it up right there...

Robert

[JNickel101]

Just once....I want to see Obama make a speech without using the word "change" and without a teleprompter.

Brady, I don't quite understand your insidious hatred for the Bush family. I know you're a smart man and realize that we're not a dictatorship. I also know you served in the Marines (and by my simple math, you served under Clinton - who as you know, used the military more than Bush has, and also cut the defense budget more than any president in US history). Everyone wants to blame gas prices and every other problem in this country on Bush....do you really believe everything you read in the liberal media?

Before you say anything...

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=301702713742569

:D now tell me who the media favors?

[SBrad001]

Just once....I want to see Obama make a speech without using the word "change" and without a teleprompter.

Brady, I don't quite understand your insidious hatred for the Bush family. I know you're a smart man and realize that we're not a dictatorship. I also know you served in the Marines (and by my simple math, you served under Clinton - who as you know, used the military more than Bush has, and also cut the defense budget more than any president in US history). Everyone wants to blame gas prices and every other problem in this country on Bush....do you really believe everything you read in the liberal media?

Before you say anything...

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=301702713742569

:D now tell me who the media favors?

There's no question in my mind who the media is giving more attention too, but that doesn't mean that he's going to win.

Bush is the f**ktard who cost my niece her husband. There was no need or justification to invade Iraq. It took resources away from the real war in Afghanistan and the hunt for Bin Laden. And it's cost thousands of US lives and hundreds of thousands Iraqi lives who in many cases don't want us there. So why did my nieces husband die? For some shithead that didn't want him there in the first place or some shithead president that wanted to leave a legacy behind him?

My niece's husband was following orders, I'm cool with that, but I'm a civilian now and I can be outraged and pissed at that idiot president of ours who cost him his life.

F**k Bush.

[JNickel101]

I can understand that, and I'm sorry for your personal loss - but you should also be mad at every member of Congress who supported the invasion - be mad at Rumsfeld, all of the Generals, the intelligence agencies that provided the bad (or lack of) intelligence....the list goes on and on my friend. Even Clinton agreed (in 2003) that Saddam needed to be removed from power. It wasnt a one-sided, one man decision. It was a collective decision by MANY asshats.

I'm not saying Bush is a great President. I will support him, as well as support any Commander-in-Chief. But there is plenty of blame to pass around equally. It does NOT fall squarely on the shoulders of one person.

[SBrad001]

I can understand that, and I'm sorry for your personal loss - but you should also be mad at every member of Congress who supported the invasion - be mad at Rumsfeld, all of the Generals, the intelligence agencies that provided the bad (or lack of) intelligence....the list goes on and on my friend. Even Clinton agreed (in 2003) that Saddam needed to be removed from power. It wasnt a one-sided, one man decision. It was a collective decision by MANY asshats.

I'm not saying Bush is a great President. I will support him, as well as support any Commander-in-Chief. But there is plenty of blame to pass around equally. It does NOT fall squarely on the shoulders of one person.

Trust me, I hold a special place for each of those f**ktards, but I think the vast majority of blame lies at the Bush Administration for using faulty intel that they knew was faulty.

I believe 100% that Bush and his cronies were simply looking for an excuse to invade Iraq.

[8Mud]

Trust me, I hold a special place for each of those f**ktards, but I think the vast majority of blame lies at the Bush Administration for using faulty intel that they knew was faulty.

I believe 100% that Bush and his cronies were simply looking for an excuse to invade Iraq.

You really have to expand your view, look at a map and see where the US is deployed. It's almost a perfect circle around Iran.
Would you expect a military commander to share his planning with the media` Would you expect an administration to signal it's true intent, in the media.
Misinformation has always been a part of war. Political or military.
You can almost bet, no matter who becomes president, the pressure on Iran will continue.
Iran is a Fascist regime on the march. Their agenda has morphed some country to country but the goals remain the same. An Islamic world.

We had more of a legitimate reason to invade Iraq than we did to bomb Serbia. First off, Serbia was a civil war and a European problem, in no way an American problem. Clinton hoped to curry favor with the Saudis and get them to pay for the expired ammo they used to fight the war.

IMO we had more of a legitimate reason to be in Iraq than Viet Nam or Serbia.

IMO Saddam would have been a fool if he didn't stockpile chemical weapons. The whole story has yet to be told. How hard would it be to hide a dozen containers in a country the size of Iraq. Heck they haven't found Fosset or his plane yet in an area a whole lot smaller and likely above ground someplace.
More likely the chemical weapons were destroyed and it was hushed up. I can think of many reasons for this. There is still a lot of stuff yet to be revealed about this war or even the Vietnam war.

[FordGuy]

IMO Saddam would have been a fool if he didn't stockpile chemical weapons. The whole story has yet to be told. How hard would it be to hide a dozen containers in a country the size of Iraq. Heck they haven't found Fosset or his plane yet in an area a whole lot smaller and likely above ground someplace.
More likely the chemical weapons were destroyed and it was hushed up. I can think of many reasons for this. There is still a lot of stuff yet to be revealed about this war or even the Vietnam war.

You a totally right about this statement

[Trail-Axe]

-X2

[GSequoia]

... cut the defense budget more than any president in US history.

But why on earth would we keep the military budget at cold war era arms race over inflated levels?