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Nancy Pelosi won't allow the House to vote on new offshore drilling
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FordGuy
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- San Clemente, CA
Am I allowed to call her A CUXTzilla, Or will Someone get pissed! Oh well!
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DrMoab
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- The Utah Backwater
Yeah and think, she is only two heartbeats away from being president.
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- Albuquerque
FordGuy said:
Sure go ahead. Won't bother me a bit.
You guys crack me up though. Seriously, is drilling on the North Slope going to elevate our current problems? Will gas prices ever return to less than $3.50 a gallon? No. The only thing we can really do is a massive government lead switch to solar power, biofuels, coal derived synthetic fuels and natural gas. The days of cheap crude oil and cheap gas are gone.
DrMoab
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They started talking about this last week and crude prices fell 15%. Sure we need to find better and more plentiful sources of energy but... The biggest reason we are paying out the nose is because of the speculation market. They even get a little bit of doubt going and the markets will crash. This needs to happen.SBrad001 said:
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DrMoab said:
The speculation market is part of the problem, but the biggest problem is that crude production has peaked and demand is still increasing. In another twenty years I don't think you will be able to buy gasoline or diesel that has been made with crude oil. But that's my opinion.
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Punt with a capital "C"!FordGuy said:
DrMoab
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I agree with you, but until they do something to make it out of other stuff. We need to get it locally.SBrad001 said:
My biggest gripe is that we have enough to last us quite a while here. Why not use it? I hate the fact that we have to rely on countries that hate us to get something we(at the current time) can not live without.
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DrMoab said:
Reasonable enough, but try this one on.
It would be atleast 5 years, but more like 10 years, before that oil would it. In the same amount of time we could be investing in a viable alternative energy economy and have the frame work implemented. We would then be investing in our future economy instead of an old oil based economy.
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We need to do both.SBrad001 said:
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Bent said:
Yes we do, but I'm afraid that we will only get one of the options. And I'm afraid it'll be the drilling option. Which won't be any kind of investment in our future, just mistake by our politicians.
DrMoab
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You may be right. It is a shame in so many ways. We could have both but unless we are suffering it just won't happen.SBrad001 said:
RichP
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SBrad001 said:
Cheap quick high output solution, allow the coal to lpg plants to also produce Diesel and gas directly, the plants are already set up for it. 180 BILLION Barrels of synthfuel in Montana alone.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/28742/montanas_coal_to_gas_conversion_proposal.html
That article was from 2006, the plants are ready to go, all they have to do is change the valve lineup. Feds are blocking it in court.
Ironmen77
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How about we let the oil companies drill for oil. Then the rest of us can find a way to invest in the future. The free market WILL find a replacement for oil IF it is profitable. You can't force people to find solutions, capitalism will find a way.SBrad001 said:
Boatwrench
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"While acknowledging that Pelosi can prevent such a vote, Blunt said the Democratic leader would have to live with that decision, which he argued “does not make sense to the American people.”
Then what needs to happen is to educate the American people so they can make sense of the predicament. Off-shore drilling is a very, very small piece of the answer. It is a mid-term at best solution and only puts off the inevitable. I am NOT a fan of off-shore drilling having seen the destruction from the oil spill in Santa Barbara that led to the moratorium. I do acknowledge that the majority of major spills have been tankers.
and about Nancy living with that decision...don't worry she will still get re-elected. She may be the Speaker of the House, 3rd in line for Presidency, but she is only elected by the people in the north part of San Francisco and the south part of Marin counties. More Prius drivers per captia than any where else in the country.
Then what needs to happen is to educate the American people so they can make sense of the predicament. Off-shore drilling is a very, very small piece of the answer. It is a mid-term at best solution and only puts off the inevitable. I am NOT a fan of off-shore drilling having seen the destruction from the oil spill in Santa Barbara that led to the moratorium. I do acknowledge that the majority of major spills have been tankers.
and about Nancy living with that decision...don't worry she will still get re-elected. She may be the Speaker of the House, 3rd in line for Presidency, but she is only elected by the people in the north part of San Francisco and the south part of Marin counties. More Prius drivers per captia than any where else in the country.
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Ironmen77 said:
Sorry, but I think that point of view is BS. Look at any war time footing that this nation has taken in the last 150 years. It takes a concerted effort for our economy to change this drastically.
If we wait for market forces to dictate this economic change, we, the average citizens, will pay the prices to line the pockets of rich industrialists and our economy will suffer waiting for the change to take place. But if the government allows vast taxes incentives for energy companies to research and develop a new energy infrastructure, we will all benefit.
Ray H
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SBrad001 said:
Tax incentives arent free. Who do you think pays for these tax incentives? R & D isnt free, who do you think pays for that? The answer to both those questions is ME (and you).
Lets go ahead and dril. Granted, it'll take a few years to get new wells and maybe even a new refinery on line but what else are we going to do with that time? We are too far from making any other for of power profitable right now. We've got to dig ourselves out of this hole before we start climbing.
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crazyjim said:
Yep, but the GOP had the run of the show for six straight years and did fukkawl.
I used to care, really I did. I was a literal flag-waving republican.
But they really are all the same. It doesn't matter. Some will say what you want to to hear. Others will say what the other guys want to hear.
And all of em will do exactly fukkawl.
Robert
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JNickel101
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If we would quit doing stupid shit like sending $900 million to Africa every year to fight AIDS, and giving all sorts of 3rd world countries aid....we'd have plenty of money to both drill AND research alternative energy sources.
The latest Economic Stimulus Package should go towards building new oil refineries, nuke plants, wind turbine fields, solar fields, etc. Have the gov't build them, then auction them off to corporations once they're built.
The latest Economic Stimulus Package should go towards building new oil refineries, nuke plants, wind turbine fields, solar fields, etc. Have the gov't build them, then auction them off to corporations once they're built.
JNickel101
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Robert 771 said:
Because at the time, gas was $45-50 a barrel, and we never envisioned that once the Democrats took control, prices would triple
I honestly think we were holding on to our own oil so we could drain it all from the Muslims. Then they'd all die b/c their stupid ass countries over here have nothing else to offer the world....
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