I missed the news.. True? Did he say this?

[TRNDRVR]

If you want to change it to the preachy born againers...I am right their with you. I don't need anyone telling me how to live my life.I'd be willing to bet you that the percentage of 'born-again' christians that fall into 'my' catagory is higher than you think.

With the exception of at least Richard, most of the born-again christians I know were down right fawking losers. :looser:

They may not be now, but they were. (and unfortunately probably will be again...it's the law of averages)

[Trail-Axe]

:jester: Hell, lets poke this pig one more time...:jester: I will get mail for this.. Sorry, but i'm just having fun with you all now.:cheers:........................Dam this thing has gone 17 pages.....

Most threads that discuss religion or politics tend to go on and on till they get closed, or deleted.

[Goatman]

I'm curious why you seem to have such a problem with people who hit a bottom point in their lives?

Everyone has a bottom. For some it may be more severe then others but the plain and simple fact that someone wants to overcome burdens in their life should be a good thing. Personally I could care less if it comes through a belief in God, worshiping a rock or becoming a vegan and swearing off of milk.

The only problem I have is when someone uses their "born again-ness" to try and convert others.

BTW, at work we have two preachers who both run Evangelist bible churches. I asked them both about your thoughts that people like them must have hit rock bottom somewhere and both of them told me nope, they just found it to be the right way to go in life. Neither one of them are ex-drug addicts, sex abusers, alcoholics, or had any other vices...they just felt compelled to go that way.

I never hit rock bottom, not even close. I don't know where Dan gets the idea that only someone who hits rock bottom could be silly enough to start having faith in Christ. For most of us, it just makes sense. Sure, plenty have turned their lives around from whatever negative or destructive path they were on, but by far not every Christian has had that experience.

So, would I be OK if I was a weak minded, drug addicted, alcoholic, gay ex-con who wasn't born again? :moon:

:D

[TRNDRVR]

So, would I be OK if I was a weak minded, drug addicted, alcoholic, gay ex-con who wasn't born again? :moon:I don't know.

Party at your house this weekend? :party:

:D

[Goatman]

I'd be willing to bet you that the percentage of 'born-again' christians that fall into 'my' catagory is higher than you think.

With the exception of at least Richard, most of the born-again christians I know were down right fawking losers. :looser:

They may not be now, but they were. (and unfortunately probably will be again...it's the law of averages)


Well, like I said before, that's a perfect reason for them to need God. Who can fault them for that? And why would it be surprising that they are so exited and appreciative about it that they would want to tell everyone else about it?

Now, I'm not at all into judging others. Either religious folks judging non-religious folks, or non-believers judging believers. To me, that's a very bottom line part of living a happy and contented life......and it's being helpful and kind to others. You know what is said about judging others, in both religious and non-religious circles...........we are most likely doing the same thing ourselves. :)

[Goatman]

I don't know.

Party at your house this weekend? :party:

:D

Crap.....I'm working this weekend.


But, we can party hardy at JV in Nov if you can make it out again. :D


Oh, and BTW, I'll have to "witness" to you just to fawk with you now. :cheers:

[TRNDRVR]

Oh, and BTW, I'll have to "witness" to you just to fawk with you now. :cheers::huh:

[Goatman]

:huh:


You know, preach at you about my experience of faith. Maybe even call you a backsliden heathen. :)

[GSequoia]

I never hit rock bottom

What about that time you took that bump too hard and put the axle through the oil pan?

[Goatman]

What about that time you took that bump too hard and put the axle through the oil pan?

That was the track bar, not the axle. :moon:

Besides, that was Crackers fault. And, I didn't hit bottom, I bottomed out. :looser:

[Darky]

Most of the Christians I've known never hit rock bottom. Some have led somewhat troubled lives in the past but never hit a "rock-bottom" point. They saw a need for change and saw the path for them to make their change. I grew up believing but not living and one day decided it was time to actually make an effort at living it. My wife grew up in the church and has always been living the life. Besides for every person who's hit rock bottom and turned to God, there's one who hit the bottom and blamed God.

[TRNDRVR]

I grew up believing but not living and one day decided it was time to actually make an effort at living it.Like I said before, I grew up in a 'good' non believing family. I've never hit "rock bottom" that I know of........:dunno: My wife grew up in the church and has always been living the life.My wife was raised in a 'religious' family and had a little religious conviction, but that all ended in 1998. Now, she thinks like I do.

[Darky]

Like I said before, I grew up in a 'good' non believing family. I've never hit "rock bottom" that I know of........:dunno: My wife was raised in a 'religious' family and had a little religious conviction, but that all ended in 1998. Now, she thinks like I do.
I was just pointing out that you can believe in the Lord as your Savior and wish to spread the Word to the world without having to be a loser or hitting rock-bottom beforehand.

[SeansBlueXJ]

Most of the Christians I've known never hit rock bottom. Some have led somewhat troubled lives in the past but never hit a "rock-bottom" point. They saw a need for change and saw the path for them to make their change. I grew up believing but not living and one day decided it was time to actually make an effort at living it. My wife grew up in the church and has always been living the life. Besides for every person who's hit rock bottom and turned to God, there's one who hit the bottom and blamed God.

You know what's funny about that. Out of all the various christians I have come across (both liberal and conserative in demonation) or are friends with, the ones who lived the life always tended to not be preachy about it and would only really discuss/share their views on faith when asked/engaged to do so. The ones that did "hit rock bottom" and were suddenly "saved" feel some great responsablity to "save" everyone else. Just my .02 cents and my personal experiences.

[TRNDRVR]

The ones that did "hit rock bottom" and were suddenly "saved" feel some great responsablity to "save" everyone else. Just my .02 cents and my personal experiences.Bingo! :yelclap:

[Darky]

I've known people on both sides, rock-bottoms who only preached when asked, and people who've never hit bottom want to spread the Word to everyone they see. I think you're over simplifying things. A person's personality plays a big part in how much time they spend talking to others about whatever belief they hold, whether it be that God is the way or God is a fairy tale. Dan, you seem to preach that God is fake and people who believe in Him are weak as much as you the people you complain about. That's really my issue. If you don't believe the same as me, fine. If people preaching to you irritates you, fine. But when you're preaching every bit as much, if not more than, as the people you complain about that comes off as a bit of a double standard...

[Bent]

Dan, Brady, others, thank you. You have been of great service to God by your role in keeping this thread alive for nine pages and over 3000 views.

[Darky]

Dan, Brady, others, thank you. You have been of great service to God by your role in keeping this thread alive for nine pages and over 3000 views.
:D ;)

[Tom R.]

I'm reminded of a quote that's often attributed to St. Francis of Assisi. To paraphrase: Go and preach the gospel to the world, and if absolutely necessary, use words.

This means to witness by the way you live, not by bashing people over the head with a Bible.

[scottmcneal]

:D ;)


Dude why the name change? Just asking...:sure:

[TRNDRVR]

Dude why the name change? Just asking...:sure:The dude lives in 29 Palms, CA., he probably has a bitchen tan! ;)

[Trail-Axe]

I'm reminded of a quote that's often attributed to St. Francis of Assisi. To paraphrase: Go and preach the gospel to the world, and if absolutely necessary, use words.

This means to witness by the way you live, not by bashing people over the head with a Bible.

Good point.

[Darky]

The dude lives in 29 Palms, CA., he probably has a bitchen tan! ;)
Nickname in the Marine Corps...Got kinda nostalgic. :D