Loose Screws 2006

[Handlebars]

Who is in and for how long?

My wife-to-be and I am in, from Saturday to Wednesday night.

[DrMoab]

My wife and I "should" be there.

If....I ever get back to work and can afford it.

[TRNDRVR]

If....I ever get back to work and can afford it.You need to jump ship and join the "steeringwheelless" group. Just the bennies alone is enough to change. ;)

[DrMoab]

You need to jump ship and join the "steeringwheelless" group. Just the bennies alone is enough to change. ;)
No offence Dan but I think I wouldn't fit in too good with the Union crowd.

I have put lots of thought into it. Plus I need a 60K income right off the bat to pay bills. Starting all over at the bottom would put us into a serious world of hurt.

[DaveW]

You need to jump ship and join the "steeringwheelless" group. Just the bennies alone is enough to change. ;)
Ya, those bennies that keep you from wheeling:D
When we going to see you behind the steering wheel of your jeep?

[DrMoab]

Ya, those bennies that keep you from wheeling:D
When we going to see you behind the steering wheel of your jeep?
A big X2 on that!

Honestly having time to do things is worth way more then benifits or money. I couldn't live my life always on call. It works for some people but not me.

[DaveW]

I would love to go. But...Ill be on call until the week before until Monday (Oct 2) morning. No chance at this trip. (Yes Dan my job has some of those bennies too)
For those lucky ones, have a good time.

[xjblue]

Who is in and for how long?

My wife-to-be and I am in, from Saturday to Wednesday night.


My wife and I "should" be there.

If....I ever get back to work and can afford it.


I will be there, don't have any plans for a wife or wife to be that I'm aware of but I'll be there, Friday Night to Wednesday

[DrMoab]

I will be there, don't have any plans for a wife or wife to be that I'm aware of but I'll be there, Friday Night to Wednesday
No wonder you are at every single event.

That explains everything :D

[TRNDRVR]

I couldn't live my life always on call. It works for some people but not me.Is there any other way? :dunno:


I wouldn't know!

Aside from my sanity, my family lacks for nothing.

I'm in Zombie mode this week. :speepin:

[DrMoab]

Aside from my sanity, my family lacks for nothing.
I wasn't talking about your family. I was talking about YOU.

I like being able to call in to work and say...hey I need the next two weeks off. You ok with that?

And then getting the next two weeks off. Sure I don't get tons of vacation or sick leave but....gotta give up something to gain something.

BTW....wish you were coming on Loose screws with us. :D

[xj4moab]

I should be there Do you have a plan yet Alex? I will be in the TJ though

Who is in and for how long?

My wife-to-be and I am in, from Saturday to Wednesday night.

[Handlebars]

Your TJ is fine. How many rigs do you have?

I got confirmation in the mail, we have Dollhouse #3 reserved for the nights of Oct. 1&2, Sunday and Monday. Saturday will be a travel day for us, let's plan on making camp together somewhere along Poison Spring Canyon before the Dirty Devil crosssing Saturday night. I went in that road to the Dirty Devil last year, the only place I remember that we could all fit is at this spot 11.8 miles from highway 95:

http://www.fototime.com/8A8FB9A1E5BFE51/orig.jpg

I really don't expect anyone else to be in that canyon so we can holler on the CB, look for each other and figure out camping arrangements when we get there.

The Dirty Devil shouldn't be very high this year. Jared, can you see how current CFM rates compare to when I was there last on 5/23/05? I tried that website and couldn't figure out how.

Trip details:

Sunday and Monday we will hike/drive the trails in the Maze area, depending on your interest. I would like to through-hike the Maze or Fins area, maybe some of the drivers can do a hiker shuttle? Tuesday drive over to Horseshoe Canyon and camp at the BLM campsite just outside. Wednesday, drive to Moab, hitting trails of opportunity on the way.

This area is a long way from gas stations, I recommend bringing along 25-30 gallons of gas, especially if you would like to do some exploring along the way.

There is no water there either, bring all you will need for 4 days or plan on hiking to nearby springs and filtering water for drinking use.

NPS regulations for the area require us to have a protable toilet system, does anyone have one? This might be worthwhile for the IC to purchase for club use.

Camping and reservation fees are $60 for the 2 nights. That gives us access for 3 vehicles and 9 people... We are also required to pick up the permit at the Hans Flat ranger station the day before or day of the trip. I will try to get it on Saturday on the way there to save us having to drive all of the way there on Sunday.

That's all I can think of now, anybody have other ideas or suggestions?

[xj4moab]

I've got a TJ,XJ & Comp buggy, This looks like a great trip are you thinking of hiking in some where to camp over night? could be fun.


[quote=Handlebars]Your TJ is fine. How many rigs do you have?

[DrMoab]

Looks like this will put me out.

I needed to travel Friday night and go Sat,Sun,Monday and part of Tuesday.

I HAVE to be in town Tuesday.

With Alex, Jared and Bryon that is the three vehicles anyway.

[Handlebars]

I kind of figured that we would have more vehicles than the limit- I don't know how often the rangers go into the backcountry.

Ryan- the other 2 sites at Dollhouse were available for the night of Oct. 1, do you want to reserve that one and leave for Moab a day earlier?

The ranger station phone # is (435) 259-4351 if you want to check current status of those sites.

[DrMoab]

I kind of figured that we would have more vehicles than the limit- I don't know how often the rangers go into the backcountry.

Ryan- the other 2 sites at Dollhouse were available for the night of Oct. 1, do you want to reserve that one and leave for Moab a day earlier?

The ranger station phone # is (435) 259-4351 if you want to check current status of those sites.
No actually it's ok. The closer Fall Fling gets the more I realize that I have a lot to do and don't even know if I could make it anyway.

Go with the plans you made and I will bag it for this year. That way I can concentrate more on Fall Fling.

Next year when I have my new jeep though...

[TRNDRVR]

Next year when I have my new jeep though...New Jeep?

Fall Fling Give-a-way Jeep?

Don't spread yourself too thin! :hang: :skull2:

[DrMoab]

New Jeep?

Fall Fling Give-a-way Jeep?

Don't spread yourself too thin! :hang: :skull2:
No...Im um...Upgrading?

I need something for a daily driver again. Going to build a new one, 00 or 01 with a mild lift and some 285-75-16s.

[RangerRick]

Nice to hear from you again! Looks like you've filled the 3 vehicle permit thing already but I'd like to come. Have you PMed XJ Blue, I'm sure he'd be interested. Do you know if we could get a second permit?

[Handlebars]

Rick, you are in! I kind of figured we would have more than 3 vehicles but we will tread lightly.

[xjblue]

I'm in Rick, no worries. ;)

In retrospect I shoulda coordinated to get a second spot at the Doll house back when you did Alex, though my thinking before was to camp outside the park.

It will be a good trip. The loose screws tour will have to return to the maze again in the future, maybe rotate back through the other trails we've done every so many years...

[DrMoab]

I vote for a complete tour of the San Rafel swell next year.

[RangerRick]

A guy at work told me the NPS might ask to see the porta pot when you pick up the permit. Years ago with jeep jamboree we'd bring a 50 cal. can with a plastic bag liner for anyone to use on the Hole In The Rock long day trip. (you use it, you pack it out)

[xj4moab]

I cant wait it would be nice if my radiator would show up though

[Geepfreak]

I cant wait it would be nice if my radiator would show up though


Just use some JB weld and an Egg, it'll be good as new...:D

[xj4moab]

:conceited :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :thumbup:


Just use some JB weld and an Egg, it'll be good as new...:D

[JeeperG]

:conceited :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :thumbup: Whats with you and http://www.4x4now.com/trutpc.htm radiators? :D
(http://www.4x4now.com/trutpc.htm%5B/URL)

[xjblue]

So I'm thinking about going down late friday night and camping somewhere off of hwy 95. The 4wd adventures Utah book lists a couple trails in the area Id like to explore Saturday morning, then going up Poison Springs Canyon a little later on. Trail #20 Robbers Roost Spring Trail, or more likely Trail #21 Burr Point Trail, overlooks the canyon we will be traveling and the Dirty Devil R. Also have half a mind to make a loop out of the Wild Horse Mesa trail #17and Highway 24 Saturday morning before Poison Springs.

[RangerRick]

Jerrod, my plans changed a little and I wouldn't be able to leave Longmont till after noon Friday. I'll be at Poison late Saturday. See you there.

[Handlebars]

I talked to Bill today, he isn't going to make it due to health reasons. :(

I ordered a PETT toilet, it should show up this week. I am planning on bringing an extra 10 gallons of gas and may need it just meeting you guys- I am going to the Hans Flat ranger station Saturday to pick up our camping permit and then driving back down to Poison Spring Canyon to meet you guys. I may try fording the Dirty Devil to meet you as it is 50 miles shorter than going back around through Hanksville.

Would you guys consider meeting and setting up camp on BLM land near the Hans Flat Ranger station Saturday night? How about at the BLM camping area on the Hanksville side of Horshoe Canyon? Either of those would make for less driving around for me, but I am not too sure where we would camp as I have never been to either of those places before.

[xj4moab]

Jared you should PM what time you are going to leave.

So I'm thinking about going down late friday night and camping somewhere off of hwy 95. The 4wd adventures Utah book lists a couple trails in the area Id like to explore Saturday morning, then going up Poison Springs Canyon a little later on. Trail #20 Robbers Roost Spring Trail, or more likely Trail #21 Burr Point Trail, overlooks the canyon we will be traveling and the Dirty Devil R. Also have half a mind to make a loop out of the Wild Horse Mesa trail #17and Highway 24 Saturday morning before Poison Springs.

I wouldn't mind meeting you there


I talked to Bill today, he isn't going to make it due to health reasons. :(

I ordered a PETT toilet, it should show up this week. I am planning on bringing an extra 10 gallons of gas and may need it just meeting you guys- I am going to the Hans Flat ranger station Saturday to pick up our camping permit and then driving back down to Poison Spring Canyon to meet you guys. I may try fording the Dirty Devil to meet you as it is 50 miles shorter than going back around through Hanksville.

Would you guys consider meeting and setting up camp on BLM land near the Hans Flat Ranger station Saturday night? How about at the BLM camping area on the Hanksville side of Horshoe Canyon? Either of those would make for less driving around for me, but I am not too sure where we would camp as I have never been to either of those places before.

[xjblue]

I talked to Bill today, he isn't going to make it due to health reasons. :(

I ordered a PETT toilet, it should show up this week. I am planning on bringing an extra 10 gallons of gas and may need it just meeting you guys- I am going to the Hans Flat ranger station Saturday to pick up our camping permit and then driving back down to Poison Spring Canyon to meet you guys. I may try fording the Dirty Devil to meet you as it is 50 miles shorter than going back around through Hanksville.

Would you guys consider meeting and setting up camp on BLM land near the Hans Flat Ranger station Saturday night? How about at the BLM camping area on the Hanksville side of Horshoe Canyon? Either of those would make for less driving around for me, but I am not too sure where we would camp as I have never been to either of those places before.

I like that idea of Hanksville (or west) side of horseshoe canyon to meet and camp Saturday, It's easy to find in the dark and get to from the ranger station. don't have to worry about where we are all going to meet.
then drive in through Poison Springs on Sunday morning after topping off in Hanksville....

[DrMoab]

I may try fording the Dirty Devil to meet you as it is 50 miles shorter than going back around through Hanksville.
You shouldn't have any problems at all Alex...True story...we crossed it in stock CJ-7s in the spring of 83 when run off was at record highs. October shouldn't be an issue at all.

[Handlebars]

Ok, let's change the meeting place. It's still Saturday night but at the Hanksville side of Horsehoe Canyon. Print out this map, look for the campsite in the upper left corner, that is where we will meet:

http://www.nps.gov/cany/planyourvisit/upload/maze_web.pdf

The approximate GPS coordinates for the camping area are N38* 28.489; W110* 12.043. I suggest finding the route there on a bigger map before you go as that is still in the boonies. Jared, Rick, Bryon, does this sound good? Sunday morning we'll head to Poison Springs Canyon via Hanksville where we will hopefully find a gas station.

[DrMoab]

Hanksville where we will hopefully find a gas station.
Gas isn't a problem in Hanksville. There is a cool litte station built into a rock.

[xjblue]

Sounds good to me.

[RangerRick]

I'll be there.

[xj4moab]

Looks good to me
Ok, let's change the meeting place. It's still Saturday night but at the Hanksville side of Horsehoe Canyon. Print out this map, look for the campsite in the upper left corner, that is where we will meet:

http://www.nps.gov/cany/planyourvisit/upload/maze_web.pdf

The approximate GPS coordinates for the camping area are N38* 28.489; W110* 12.043. I suggest finding the route there on a bigger map before you go as that is still in the boonies. Jared, Rick, Bryon, does this sound good? Sunday morning we'll head to Poison Springs Canyon via Hanksville where we will hopefully find a gas station.

[RangerRick]

Witch direction are we going to take out when we head to Moab? Just asking so as I don't have to backtrack the way I came in. Or, should I just plan on getting gas at Hanksville and come in that way?

[RangerRick]

What I mean is, when we hit the pavemant again, do we go towards Green River or Blanding? Also, do you think it's O.K. to carry extra gas on the roof rack? I have some 2 1/2 gal. plastic cans.

[Handlebars]

Rick, I think plastic gas cans on the roof will be fine. I have had 10 gallons in NATO cans inside my Jeep for the past week and haven't whiffed any gas, I love those things!

We will figure out which way to head to Moab once we get out there. One possibility heading towards Blanding would be to do Blue Notch Pass/Red Canyon/Piute Pass and camp at Lake Powell in between...

http://www.fototime.com/89AB310735A9ED6/orig.jpg

I'm looking forward to seeing you guys out there!

[Jackal]

Rick, I think plastic gas cans on the roof will be fine. I have had 10 gallons in NATO cans inside my Jeep for the past week and haven't whiffed any gas, I love those things!

We will figure out which way to head to Moab once we get out there. One possibility heading towards Blanding would be to do Blue Notch Pass/Red Canyon/Piute Pass and camp at Lake Powell in between...

http://www.fototime.com/89AB310735A9ED6/orig.jpg

I'm looking forward to seeing you guys out there!

[Jackal]

Sounds like a great trip. If possible, I would like to tag along with the group. These are my tentative plans: Leave SLC early Saturday AM. Arrive at Horseshoe Canyon trail head mid day. Hike down to the canyon bottom to view the prehistoric Indian rock art, which has some of the finest displays of pictographs in the country. I've been down there several times before and would highly recommend hiking down if your interested in that sort of thing. Round trip is approx. 6.5 miles, with an elevation change of about 850 feet and takes 3 to 4 hours including view time.
Over night at the trail head. A permit is not required.
Sunday AM, travel to Hans Flat ranger station and see if I can get a "walk-in" permit to camp in the Maze District. The Doll House campsite is the end the road. There is a "so called" hiking trail from there down to the Colorado River.
If I can't get a camping permit, I'll go down the Flint Trail, and head for Hite.
Alex, I think I went up The Moab Rim trail with you, and several others last year.

[xjblue]

I've got the 32 gallon tank just for trips like this. It will be nice.
I still want to get some Nato cans..... And a GPS, and a loptop.

[Handlebars]

Jackal- We'll see you there!

[xj4moab]

Wow it's been a while Jack it would be good to see ya

[quotd=Ja"hal]Sounds like a great trip. If possible, H woDld like to tag along with the group. These are my tentative plans: Leave SLC early Saturday AM. Arrive at Horseshoe Canyon trail head mid day. Hike down to the canyon bottom to view the prehistoric Indian ro"j art, which haB some of the finest displays of pictographs in the country. I've been down there several times before and would highly "`commend hiking down if your inddrerted`n that sort of thing. Round trip is approx. 6.5 miles, with an elevation change of about 850 feet and takes 3 to 4 houbr including view time.
Over night at the trail head. A permit is not required.
Sunday AM, travel to Hans Flat ranfer tathon `bd see ` I can get a "walk-in" permit to camp in the Maze District. The Doll House cam@pite is the end the road. There is a "so called" hiking trail from there down to the Colorado River.
If I can't get a camping permht, H$ll go iwn the Flint Trail, and head for Hite.
Alex, I think I went up The Moab Rim trail with you, and several others last year.Z/quNpe]

[xj4moab]

What time does every one think they will show up?

Ok, let's change the meeting place. It's still Saturday night but at the Hanksville side of Horsehoe Canyon. Print out this map, look for the campsite in the upper left corner, that is where we will meet:

http://www.nps.gov/cany/planyourvisit/upload/maze_web.pdf

The approximate GPS coordinates for the camping area are N38* 28.489; W110* 12.043. I suggest finding the route there on a bigger map before you go as that is still in the boonies. Jared, Rick, Bryon, does this sound good? Sunday morning we'll head to Poison Springs Canyon via Hanksville where we will hopefully find a gas station.

[Handlebars]

I figure to be at Horseshoe Canyon around sunset, Saturday night. We're leaving ABQ around 6am, plan to be at Hite around noon. From there we will take the road through Waterhole Flat, up the Flint Trail to Hans Flat to pick up out camping permit. Then it is off to Horseshoe. BTW, I will be bringing a PETT toilet and 10 extra wag bags.

[RangerRick]

What CB chanel will we be running on and what chanel would be our second choice if the 1st is being used alot?

[Handlebars]

Use Channel 4 until we get together. I don't expect there to be much use out there other than that dork with the huge amp on his radio that says "ooOOOOoooaaah", all day long.

[xj4moab]

Or Dude hold my beer whatch this

Use Channel 4 until we get together. I don't expect there to be much use out there other than that dork with the huge amp on his radio that says "ooOOOOoooaaah", all day long.

[xj4moab]

It looks like we are going to get the good weather 80's and sunny Wed. the rain starts in moab

[ROOK1]

It looks like we are going to get the good weather 80's and sunny Wed. the rain starts in moab

Depends on where you check. http://wwwa.accuweather.com/forecast-15day.asp?partner=accuweather&traveler=1&zipcode=84532&metric=0

I like this one better.

[Geepfreak]

Although Rook, I like yours better,,

Here's one that also not so optimistic (http://www.crh.noaa.gov/forecast/MapClick.php?site=GJT&llon=-110.272088&rlon=-108.949588&tlat=39.607917&blat=38.287917&smap=1&mp=1&map.x=151&map.y=193)

[Geepfreak]

I remember '04 F.F., on Flat Iron Mesa, that was some rain..:D
http://i10.tinypic.com/4c92oph.jpg

[Handlebars]

I remember '04 F.F., on Flat Iron Mesa, that was some rain..:D
And some thunder & lightning too! It sure turned out to be a beautiful afternoon, didn't it?
http://www.fototime.com/1876D44B0337862/orig.jpg

[xj4moab]

well i have to do is install a CB, change the oil & load up should be ready to go :bs:

[jmaxj]

well i have to do is install a CB, change the oil & load up should be ready to go :bs:
right your never ready

[DrMoab]

right your never ready
Hehe...I told him he would be sitting in Green River with a flashlight trying to hook that CB up.

[Handlebars]

I'm leaving on the 5AM jeep tomorrow- see you guys there!

[xj4moab]

Still trying to get ready

[jmaxj]

Still trying to get ready
you won't be:D

[ROOK1]

you won't be:D

That was lucky post 777 for you. Stop while you can.

[DrMoab]

Hehe...I told him he would be sitting in Green River with a flashlight trying to hook that CB up.

Still trying to get ready


Do I know this guy or what? :D

[JEEPZZ]

So how'd it go???

[Handlebars]

Like this...

http://www.fototime.com/B9703A7B222E64F/orig.jpg

...and this:

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But times like this made it sooo worthwhile!

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Jared, I hope you don't mind me posting a couple of your pics, they are the best!

I'll do a write-up in the next couple of days.

[TRNDRVR]

http://www.fototime.com/5966C7BD3E457F9/orig.jpg
That can't be good!

[JEEPZZ]

But times like this made it sooo worthwhile!

http://www.fototime.com/ACFFCE611812332/orig.jpg

Jared, I hope you don't mind me posting a couple of your pics, they are the best!

I'll do a write-up in the next couple of days.
Yep, I can't wait to see all the pics. I've been wanting to run the Maze District, Dollhouse & Horseshoe Canyon for MANY, MANY years now.

At least my fuel can made it though. :D

[xj4moab]

I would like to say thank you to Alex and Maria for navigating i had a great time :clap:
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[JEEPZZ]

http://home.earthlink.net/~jeepzz/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/untitled.jpg


That's one of my favorite places. lol!!

[xj4moab]

It was mine to

quote=JEEPZZ]http://home.earthlink.net/%7Ejeepzz/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/untitled.jpg


That's one of my favorite places. lol!![/quote]

[Handlebars]

It was great having you along Bryon!

Send me a link to your photo album and I can post your pics.

[DrMoab]

It was great having you along Bryon!

Send me a link to your photo album and I can post your pics.
For someone who works on a computer...you would think he would have a handle on this stuff by now.

[Geepfreak]

For someone who works on a computer...you would think he would have a handle on this stuff by now.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAAA
Damn I'm glad someone said it!

[xjblue]

http://www.fototime.com/5966C7BD3E457F9/orig.jpg



Hey Alex, looks like your influence is rubbing off on me. Yesterday I got around to finding out what was making all the noise after Poison Spider and found this!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/xjblue/Intermountain%20Chapter/Moab%20Fall%20Fling%2006/FF06_psbreak.jpg





shall we call it the Leaf Spring Fatige Tour next year?

[Handlebars]

That sounds like an apt name! I ended up ordering another leaf spring, the side with the new one now sits about 2 inches higher than the other side.

BTW, did you pull your brake drums? I am now into it for new shoes, 2 new drums and wheel cylinders. It was a royal mess in there!

[XJEEPER]

time for rear discs, Alex!

[xjblue]

That sounds like an apt name! I ended up ordering another leaf spring, the side with the new one now sits about 2 inches higher than the other side.

BTW, did you pull your brake drums? I am now into it for new shoes, 2 new drums and wheel cylinders. It was a royal mess in there!


I didn't dare, only want to learn of one problem at a time :D I'm afraid of the same thing you got with the new leaf, uneven ride hight, when it brakes upgrade is what I always say so now I have to put some money where my mouth has been. I'm debating but I think OME JC1B springs and removing the blocks would give me the same lift and simular ride quality.

[Handlebars]

Yeah, I got some nice beefy 9/16 u-bolts to put in there too.

How hard is it to put discs on a Dana 44? It was $135 for complete new drum brakes but the backing plates and hardware that didn't come in the kit is nasty rusty.