Halloweenie in Wellsville Oct 12-15

[xj4life]

http://www.greatlakes4x4.com/showthread.php?t=17133

http://www.jeepinohio.com/halloweenie06/

$15 for a weekend of camping and wheeling :yelclap:


I'll be heading down from Detroit, MI for this event. Probalby meeting up with some other Jeepers on Thursday the 12th just east of Toledo on the Ohio Turnpike. Anyone that is interested is more than welcome to join.

[87manche]

I'll probably be making this event.
I'm in ashland, so you'l be passing me if you come down 250.
I don't know if I'm going for more than just saturday.
Likely be staying in stuebenville rather than camping :)

[xj4life]

I'm not sure yet which way we are going. Probalby taking the turnpike all the way over.

[XJawgi]

im in the middle of cleveland...if i can get the bugs worked out of my stroker im down!!!

never been to wellsville yet and this seems like a good time to go, since there will be people there who know the park. so im 85% sure im down to go

[xj4life]

never been to wellsville yet and this seems like a good time to go, since there will be people there who know the park. so im 85% sure im down to go

that's why i'm going to. i also hear it may be shut down soon as the power company bought the property and is going to put a coal electric plant dead center of the property.

[87manche]

that would suck, it's just about the only place to go that's not 6 hours from me.

[XJawgi]

that's why i'm going to. i also hear it may be shut down soon as the power company bought the property and is going to put a coal electric plant dead center of the property.

what time do you plan on leaving thursday the 12th?

[xj4life]

probalby leave detroit around noon. its 3hrs to Cleveland. probably a half hour pit stop some where in there. so probably 3:30-4 when we get to Cleveland.

[POLAR_JEEP_04]

i plan on going if the jeep is ready if not maybe i can tag along with on of you guys if thats cool with someone

[XJawgi]

well ill find out tuesday if i can go ( gotta get off work)...my buddy from work has a tj hes bringing, and maybe another tj from work, not sure if hes going. I should have my stroker running tip top by then so i will have my stroked xj and my old man will be driving my daily driver, so i should be bring about 3-4 jeeps


do you know if its 15 bucks per person or per rig, i havent looked into it that much.

[POLAR_JEEP_04]

where did you get the block work done for your stroker i have a long block i was going to do it to but i haveing trouble finding a high pro engine shop that will work on a jeep motor i wanna go 4.6

[XJawgi]

where did you get the block work done for your stroker i have a long block i was going to do it to but i haveing trouble finding a high pro engine shop that will work on a jeep motor i wanna go 4.6


well there is a engine shop right of 480 on on state rd. general engine rebuilders is the name. they really didnt really get the concept of what i wanted, i just told them to polish my crank, bore it .030 over and do a valve job on my head. he kept forgetting what i was doing to it, whether the block he had was a 258 or a 242 and which crank is going where.

what part of ohio are you in, b/c theres at least 4-5 engine shops in the general cleveland area.

[87manche]

well there is a engine shop right of 480 on on state rd. general engine rebuilders is the name. they really didnt really get the concept of what i wanted, i just told them to polish my crank, bore it .030 over and do a valve job on my head. he kept forgetting what i was doing to it, whether the block he had was a 258 or a 242 and which crank is going where.

what part of ohio are you in, b/c theres at least 4-5 engine shops in the general cleveland area.
if you're willing to drive south about 2 hours I could get you the info for some of the local engine builders.
Lots' of good old boys drag racing shops around here.

[XJawgi]

dont need an enigne builder just a machine shop...


off topic, got my stroker dialed in pretty good, so looks like ill be able to drive it, unless something unforseen happens. haha...i can burn the shit outta my 33's, something i was never able to do w/ my tired 4.0 ..

[87manche]

yes, but all of the engine builders around here have machine shops, kinda comes with the territory :)

[POLAR_JEEP_04]

im in columbus and could use a good shop to get mine done at if you wanna just PM the info to me

[xj4life]

My registration went in the mail this morning :thumbup:

[XJawgi]

i got off of work officially, so i will be sending out the registration monday..after i see what i have to pay for ( damn bills .)

[XJawgi]

everything was sent out today. both of my jeeps are down right now...one with a sheered off trac bar mount ( axle side ) and my stroker is having fuel pressure problems...so i got my work cut out for me.

[xj4life]

everything was sent out today. both of my jeeps are down right now...one with a sheered off trac bar mount ( axle side ) and my stroker is having fuel pressure problems...so i got my work cut out for me.

you can do it!!! :repair:

what trail rides did you sign up for? i'm doing extreme :yelclap:

[XJawgi]

i have no lockers and only 33's so i signed up for aggressive.. but im sure that can change...and my other jeep only has 31's and no lockers.. im just siked to go

[87manche]

I'll sign up for modified, but depending on the trail conditions might run aggressive.
Don't have tires for mud, so if it's wet I'll run the easier stuff.

[xj4life]

Taken from another forum about this event:

As far as trail sign ups - there are really no "beginner" trails or hardcore trails there. There are bypasses around just about every obstacle, so it really won't matter which trail selection you sign up for, everyone will at some point in time encounter the same path. The question will be whether or not you choose to take the line to the left, or the line to the right.

If you want to insure you ride with someone, make sure you both choose the same trail ride though, and have both parties write the others names for whom you wish to ride with.

[XJHOX]

Wow, first time I have been on this site since I sold my XJ. Glad to here some of you guys and gals will be coming down for this. Even happier to see some of you guys running the extreme group. I will have a Gold/Orange colored TJ on D60s with probably 39.5 iroks. Hopefully not in the same position.
http://www.eriejeeppeople.com/modules/gallery/albums/albun84/Badlands_RTCC_034.jpg

[87manche]

that's an awesome pic.
I may have some real tires by then and not b wheeling with all seasons.
If that's the case me and my detroit will try out some harder stuff :D

[XJHOX]

Wellsville can as hard or easy as you want it to be. I have seen more than a few XJ's on all terains and do very well there even in the pouring down rain. I'm sure you will have a good time. Do you guys plan on camping or staying at a hotel?

[XJawgi]

i will be camping...i cant wait...

there should be 2 jeeps w/ me

this is my black one..the one w/ the stroker..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v359/awgi/jeep1.jpg

and this one will be driven by my father...its currently my daily driver though

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v359/awgi/jeepbuild053.jpg

both of which have all terrain tires..so it will be interesting to see how they run

[87manche]

Wellsville can as hard or easy as you want it to be. I have seen more than a few XJ's on all terains and do very well there even in the pouring down rain. I'm sure you will have a good time. Do you guys plan on camping or staying at a hotel?
I wish I had all terrains, I'm talking straight highway tires.

[xj4life]

i'll be camping for sure. i'm not going to miss all the fun.:cheers:

i'll be driving this. i'm doing mostly extreme trails. i'll be there thrusday evening thru sunday afternoon so i may mix it up and do some easier ones to.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v356/xj4life/Kentucky%2005/DSC02379.jpg

being pulled by this
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v356/xj4life/1999%20SD%20PSD/Pig-Gig-Pre-06_0001.jpg

and i'll have these guys with me. not sure what trails they are running. i'm guessing the Red TJ will be running Extreme and the Khaki TJ running Aggressive

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v356/xj4life/Kentucky%2005/normal_DSC02397.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v356/xj4life/Kentucky%2005/P7160025.jpg

[XJHOX]

I love it! Ford and Jeep people. Gotta love that 4 lettered junk. I might try to show up early Friday, but I'm not gonna count on that. You wont be able to miss us when we come in. http://www.eriejeeppeople.com/modules/gallery/albums/albun84/truck_200.jpg

[XJawgi]

must be nice to have money...but if you guys need any kind of accessorie for your ford's, hit me up at camp..ill give you a catalog full of goodies.

[xj4life]

must be nice to have money...but if you guys need any kind of accessorie for your ford's, hit me up at camp..ill give you a catalog full of goodies.

always need more stuff :D


XJHOX - That truck is badass! :greensmok

[XJHOX]

Thanks!

[XJHOX]

For anyone that is comeing to this event please keep a eye on Northeastcrawlers.com website for more info. There is alot of land being bought over there and in some spots there starting to crack down. The event is still on but please keep up to date. I would hate for you guys to travel and then get there and the main ways to get in are blocked. It looks like they have permission from one the land owners to enter on his land. http://www.northeastcrawlers.com/necforum/showthread.php?t=3848 Still hope to see you guys there.

[XJawgi]

Well doesnt that suck. First time there and probably will be the last. You cant really blame the owners of the land, they are probably like instant millionaires. i just hope the event will still be as fun as i anticipate it to be.

[scoobyxj]

If they were smart they would look into profiting from what it already is.

[ABN82MP]

Hey Guys,

As of now Halloweenie is still on. We have paid the owner of the Forbidden Zone "campground" (using that term loosley) to bring our vehicles into the trails through his property.

I personally went down there a few days ago and talked to one of the major land owners, Amos Rawson. Rawson said that effective immediately the main staging area is closed, as well as all trails leading up to the top of the hill from the staging area. This includes Train Track Hill, Escape Route (AKA "The V" and a few others. This only effects 480 acres out of the 2,500 there is to wheel on. Will the rest of the areas ble closed off soon? Probably as the Columbiana County Port Authority is promoting the area as an intermodal transportation hub due to it's proximity to the Ohio river and availibility of cheap, undeveloped land.

Rawson has leased 480 acres of his land out to the state to be used as a land fill for silt dredged from the Maumee river. Plans are to dump 1 million tons of silt per year for the next 10 years.

Rawson, from Twinsburg, OH, is already a MULTI Millionaire and is part owner in a C&E Coal Co, and A&L Salvage. I'm sure the money that could be generated by an off-road park would be nothing to him...especially when compared to what he is looking to gain from a state contract.

Rumor is that the owner of the Oak Tree Sportsman's club (another entrance to the trails) will be selling his land off to a company who eill be building a facility to process coal into diesel fuel and JP8.

So...the future of the trails at Wellsville looks pretty bleak. It is still open at the present, however.

Should the situation change, we will call everyone to let them know if we need to cancel. At this point I do not see that happening.

To keep up with all the halloweenie news be sure to check out the forum located at www.jeepinohio.com/halloweenie06

Thanks,
-Jason J. Crawford

[ABN82MP]

Placing the t-shirt orders tomorrow morning. It's getting close!

[scoobyxj]

Not going to be able to make it. You guys should of had it the next weekend. Would of been exactly a year from last year.

[ABN82MP]

On who's calendar? :D HW has always been held the week before Halloween. We changed it to a week earlier this year hoping for better weather :)

[xj4life]

Not going to be able to make it. You guys should of had it the next weekend. Would of been exactly a year from last year.

Good there will be less conjestion on the trails :D

[XJawgi]

im getting pretty siked...my stroker is running really good, going to do its first oil change this weekend and im going to do front and rear diff fluids as well. see ya'l in two weeks

[xj4life]

i'm pretty excited to. i'd redoing my long arms this weekend. Johnny Joints and tube adaptors should be here friday. picking up the tubing on thrusday. just have to get them all welded up and put my front end back together. give the whole jeep a once over and then should be good to go.

[ABN82MP]

Due to unforeseen circumstances that are far beyond our control we are going to have to cancel Halloweenie '06. In case you have have not heard the land at Wellsville is closing. Some areas will remain open, however it seems that most are closed. It is just not worth the risk to hold this ride and possibly end up wheeling in a restricted area.

We just decided this minutes ago and will be posting announcements and calling everyone who registered. We will be cutting checks to refund everyones registration fees and money they paid for t-shirts...unless they decide they still want them. Unfortunately the stickers have already been ordered, printed and paid for. If you ordered stickers you will be getting them. You will receive your checks in the next few weeks.

We're sorry for any inconvenience this may cause you, but we figured it was beter to cancel now rather than show up and not be able to wheel.

Please click on the link below for a related news article

http://reviewonline.com/news/articles.asp?articleID=3777

Thanks,
-Jason & Missy

[xj4life]

Guys I'm going to try to still put together a trip with the guys I was coming down from Detroit with. I'm thinking Badlands, The Cliffs, or Drummond Island in the MI upper peninsula. I'll keep ya posted.

[Rev Den]

Am I missing something? According to the news article posted, it seems that this has NEVER been a legal area.

http://reviewonline.com/news/articles.asp?articleID=3777

All-terrain vehicle riders come from all over Ohio as well as outside the state. Many transport their vehicles several hours to reach Saline Township. A posting on the internet says the area has 4,000 acres of property on which to ride.

Saline Township Police Chief Ken Hayes says that is not true. It’s a myth because all property is private property belonging to someone and, he says, is off-limits.

If I am incorrect please tell me.

Rev

[87manche]

Am I missing something? According to the news article posted, it seems that this has NEVER been a legal area.

http://reviewonline.com/news/articles.asp?articleID=3777



If I am incorrect please tell me.

Rev
I believe that a recent land sale is the reason for all of this.
Apparently the private landowners were ok with it, and some even charged for access, but the landowner with the majority of the acreage has entered into a lease agreement with a corporation to be the dumping ground for river dredging. At least that's my understanding.

[Rev Den]

Apparently

This word is what worries me.

Rev

[87manche]

This word is what worries me.

Rev
true, I was planning on going, my neighbor had been a few times and had never had any issues, even talked with a landowner about it. I guess the problem arises that there are many adjoining properties, kinda hard to mark property lines effectively in the woods.

[Rev Den]

My trouble with this is that IF the area is not 100% legal wheeling then it cannot be discussed in this forum. I was under the assumption that this was a legal, clearly marked off-road area. As I am sure you know, as should everyone else, wheeling in areas that are not legal reflects badly on the entire hobby. I am afraid as it sits, I will need proof that this is a legal ORV area to allow this thread to remain. I have never been there, so I do not know. I will PM the original poster for information.

I will give it 24 hours for that proof to surface.

Rev

[RalphXJ]

The owner of the majority of the land used for wheeling(Amos Rawson ) has always known that people used his land for offroading, and he never cared. Their are 2 other owners of land that is used for wheeling. They both have camp grounds on their land, and are their mainly to be used by the Trucks/Jeeps/Quads/Buggies that use their land(and the other land out there) to wheel.

Its never been posted as off limits until now. The media story's that I've seen have twisted the info about the land use to make it seem like closing the area was the only thing to do. It comes down to the fact that the land has been sold/leased to be used for other things, and there isn't anything we can do about it at this point.

All of the info on the closing of this land has been posted in this thread. Most of the info posted in this thread(other then the random comments) are from people who have talked to the owners/police/sheriff in the area themselfs. http://www.northeastcrawlers.org/necforum/showthread.php?t=3848

Rev Den I sent you a PM with alittle more info.

Aaron

[ABN82MP]

I sent you a PM too. I would think that you would want people to know that Wellsville is now off limits.

For more info do a search for Forbidden Zone ATV Park or Oak Tree Sportsmans club.

[Rev Den]

As it stands the post will remian.

Thanks everyone for the info.

Rev

[XJHOX]

Yup! This sucks. But it was a land sale. Nothing we as wheelers can do about that. Like someone said they were probably instant millionaires. The area around there is pretty run down and beat up, so I'm sure any kind of good amount these people had dollar signs in there eyes. OH and thanks for keeping the thread open.

[scoobyxj]

Guys I'm going to try to still put together a trip with the guys I was coming down from Detroit with. I'm thinking Badlands, The Cliffs, or Drummond Island in the MI upper peninsula. I'll keep ya posted.
A day at the Badlands would be nice. Keep us posted.

[IntrepidXJ]

A day at the Badlands would be nice. Keep us posted.

already been posted:

http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=99070

:D

[XJawgi]

me and a couple from work are going to be planning some sort of a trip since this one is canceled. We dont want to drive more than a few hours from where were at (general cleveland area) so were thinking a park in PA like rausch creek...only like 4 hours from where at. or maybe somewhere in michigan...not sure if anyone wants to stay in the area by me.

[xj4life]

me and a couple from work are going to be planning some sort of a trip since this one is canceled. We dont want to drive more than a few hours from where were at (general cleveland area) so were thinking a park in PA like rausch creek...only like 4 hours from where at. or maybe somewhere in michigan...not sure if anyone wants to stay in the area by me.

well it looks like we are heading to The Cliffs instead. if you cant make that i'd defiantely head to PA. if there were any good spots in MI to wheel i wouldnt have to leave the state all the time :o

http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=99070

[XJawgi]

well it looks like we are heading to The Cliffs instead. if you cant make that i'd defiantely head to PA. if there were any good spots in MI to wheel i wouldnt have to leave the state all the time :o

http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=99070

im heading to a new park by columbus called painted rock. Never been there but its cheap and only 3 hours away. But i would like to get a big trail ride going to a park thats kinda centralized between everyone sometime soon, instead of a spur of the moment thing like happened now. Badlands is kinda close to a lot of people...how about that for a weekend soon?

[xj4life]

im heading to a new park by columbus called painted rock. Never been there but its cheap and only 3 hours away. But i would like to get a big trail ride going to a park thats kinda centralized between everyone sometime soon, instead of a spur of the moment thing like happened now. Badlands is kinda close to a lot of people...how about that for a weekend soon?

i might be able to do another trip this fall. let us know how this new park is. i've never heard anything about it.

[RalphXJ]

i might be able to do another trip this fall. let us know how this new park is. i've never heard anything about it.

x2!! I looked at the parks pictures and pictures from trips there on other webs sites. I'd like to know if its all mud, or if they have some rocks? I saw one part that looked like a rocky water fall, is that all the rock thats out there, or is there more other places?

With Wellsville gone, we're all trying to find more places to wheel.

[87manche]

I went to the painted rock website.
They've just got a forum.
www.offroadohio.com
I registered and started asking questions.
Looks like it's some local people that found a landowner willing to let them wheel. Not a "park" as the status quo defines it. But it is private land, so it's totally legal. They're having their third halloween get together nov 4-5. Primitive camping available. It's pretty much in the middle between 71 and 77 on 70, just south of Zanesville. I will make an effort to go and check it out.

[ABN82MP]

There seems to be a large # of people who still want their shirts. We have not placed our order yet, so I'm going to open this up to people who weren't planning on coming, but may still want a shirt. If you had already registered I will be calling you personally to see if you still want your shirts.

Prices are as follows:

$14 for long sleeve T's size Kids medium-XL (add $2 for 2x and $3 for 3x)

$24 for hoodies size kids medium-XL (add $2 for 2x and $3 for 3x)

Payment can be sent via paypal to abn82mp@zoominternet.net

Please add $3 if you want it shipped.

We will be placing this order on Monday so please have your orders in by then.

Thanks,
-Jason

[XJawgi]

i might be able to do another trip this fall. let us know how this new park is. i've never heard anything about it.


i never heard anything about it either, but i will have a ton of pictures and hopefully some video. 87manche said he would try to make it so i told him to hit me up if decides so i can meet him there.