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Rear main seal and pan gasket question?

xjtrailrider

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What is the best brand rear main seal and pan gasket. My 96 is pouring out since I went to synthetic(looks like I'll be switching back) I lost 2 quarts in 8 miles today, it only dripped before. Valve cover gasket and oil filter "O" rings are new and not leaking, so I am 100% sure its the RMS.

I want to do this once and be done with it, give me some good advice. I have read the manual and searched and read through the replacemnt threads but have not found what is the best brands to use.
 
My recommendation is Felpro for both. However (I may be wrong about this, but others can correct it), Felpro has two grades and you want the best grade. You want the RMS with the double lip and you want the blue rubber valve cover gasket, not a cork gasket. I am not sure that Felpro has two grades of RMS, but I am fairly confident that they have two grades of pan gaskets. I did my RMS in January and used Felpro and I have been pleased with the results.
 
Assuming you have a 4.0L:

Fel-Pro, double lip RMS. Part number BS40612 I picked mine up at Orielly's. NAPA has these as well.(same part number)

I just did this job about a month ago. I put it off for over a year, cause I was dreading it. Turned out to be cake. I didn't have any trouble at all. I also used a one piece Fel-Pro oil pan gasket.(FPGOS34308R)
 
I'd prefer Victor/Reinz, but it's a pain to find. Fel-Pro is quite acceptable.

Your leak wasn't "caused" by the switch to synthetic - it was "caused" by the crud that was built up being washed away by the synthetic. Synthetic lubricating oils are slipperier than mineral oils, and they're higher in detergent content. You'd have had that leak if you'd "shocked" the engine clean as well - no need to change back after doing the job.

You may as well do the front main seal while you're about it. Replace the front/rear mains, and you've got 95% of the likely leaks from a switch to synth covered. The balance would be a gasket that had failed and a sludge buildup sealing it shut - and the sludge being washed away.
 
5-90 said:
Your leak wasn't "caused" by the switch to synthetic - it was "caused" by the crud that was built up being washed away by the synthetic. Synthetic lubricating oils are slipperier than mineral oils, and they're higher in detergent content. You'd have had that leak if you'd "shocked" the engine clean as well - no need to change back after doing the job.

You may as well do the front main seal while you're about it. Replace the front/rear mains, and you've got 95% of the likely leaks from a switch to synth covered. The balance would be a gasket that had failed and a sludge buildup sealing it shut - and the sludge being washed away.

Very true. Very true.

I wish I would have done the front main, when I did the rear. Didn't cross my mind until I had already bolted the pan back on.:rolleyes:
 
5-90 said:
Yeah - but you don't have to remove the sump to change the front main - just the rear...

So it is.....

You just have to remove the harmonic dampener. The front is a one piece seal that goes in from the front. No need to drop the pan. :D
 
Yep, I should have added its a 4.0.

Thanks all! I'll pick up those FelPro's, I don't think i will find the Victor/Rienz any where in our little town.

I agree with 5-90 that the syn didn't create my leak but it went from a drip to a pour very quick! The engine is very clean inside according to the oil coming out and the work I have done so far, everything looks good for a 200k engine. I am a synthetic fan, but just faced my worst fears on this higher mileage 4.0.

I run Mobil 1 in all of my Jeeps(5 XJ's and one JK)with no leak issues with the exception of this one.
 
a new RMS is only about $10, so i would buy 2. when i did the rms, i tore/scored the upper half during the install even though i deburred the top cap and lubed the rms.
 
I've got a dumb (somewhat hijack) question, while we're talking about RMS...

I read something once about putting soap on the RMS before you slide it in....

Um....whats the deal with that???
 
JNickel101 said:
I've got a dumb (somewhat hijack) question, while we're talking about RMS...

I read something once about putting soap on the RMS before you slide it in....

Um....whats the deal with that???

Lubrication. It's just to aid in installation. If you're not careful, you can shave off some of the seal when you push it into the block.
 
I've known about the valve cover gasket, oil filter adapter, rear main, and oil pan problems but haven't until now heard anyone mention the front main seal. I've done some searching on here and through google but no results just everyone talking about rear main. If any of you know of a page that shows what's involved to change it out or know the part numbers I'd appreciate it alot.
 
dave92cherokee said:
I've known about the valve cover gasket, oil filter adapter, rear main, and oil pan problems but haven't until now heard anyone mention the front main seal. I've done some searching on here and through google but no results just everyone talking about rear main. If any of you know of a page that shows what's involved to change it out or know the part numbers I'd appreciate it alot.

Changing the front main?

1) Expose the harmonic damper (large steel pully down front) and remove the serpentine belt.

2) Remove the large screw in the centre of the HD and the washer. Set aside for reuse.

3) Remove the HD, using a specialised puller (it's basically a crow's foot that you can pass screws through. Do not use a three-jaw puller - damn thing won't work, for starters. And, you need to grab the HD at the hub anyhow...)

4) Using a seal puller or a smallish screwdriver, you can prise the front main seal out of the timing cover.

5) Apply a light bead of RTV black to the outside shell of the new seal. Drive it into place with gentle hammer blows. I don't recall what size, but I've found that a common threaded pipe union will fit to the seal shell, and get a cap for it as well so you have a surface to strike with your hammer. Drive the seal to anywhere between "flush" and "bottomed out" - I'll usually stop at "flush" to make it easier to remove next time.

6) Make sure there are no burrs or gouges on the HD snout. Also, check to make sure there isn't a groove worn into the surface where the seal rides Correct or replace as necessary (also check that the "rubber" hasn't started to squirm out from between the hub and ring. If it has, replace the assembly.)

7) Lubricate the seal lip and the HD snout that it seals on - a good chassis grease will be enough here. Lubricate the crankshaft nose as well - a chassis grease is good, anti-seize will be better.

8) Set the HD in place on the crankshaft snout, lining up the keyway in the HD with the Woodruff key in the crank. Gently tap once or twice with a mallet or wooden block to set it in place - do not drive with a hammer!

9) Finger-thread the screw into the crankshaft nose. You may need a longer screw to start - the threads are 1/2"-20. You can then turn the screw to drive the HD back onto the crankshaft snout. When you bottom out using a longer screw, take the screw out and go with a shorter one.

10) The HD should stop about when the hub face is flush with the crankshaft nose - as you found it before you took it to bits. Dip the screw in engine oil, insert, and torque to 80 pound-feet (yes, the FSM sez to torque with lubricated threads.)

11) Reassemble everything else.

Some find it easier to have the radiator out of the way, but it can be done with the radiator in place. I know - I've done it with the radiator in place! Whether it comes out or not is entirely up to you.
 
That's wonderful, thanks for that info 5-90. I have been looking on autozone, advance, and orielly's pages and the only thing I can find is it talks about timing seals. On auto zone it lists harmonic balancer repair sleeve, any heads up on what the part number from any of the 3 stores would be? I noticed while under the heep the other day I've got a leak everywhere except the filter adapter. Thanks for the help and sorry for the thread hijack.

Edit: Instead of hijacking the thread further just PM me if you want, thanks.
 
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