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Stang5lgt
June 11th, 2008, 13:29
http://www.americansolutions.com/actioncenter/petitions/?Guid=54ec6e43-75a8-445b-aa7b-346a1e096659
Please pass it on.

BruceB83
June 11th, 2008, 13:35
...tired of high gas prices?

Buy a moped...or move to a socialist country that regulates the market (like certain liberals are tyring to do or convince the public this is what needs to be done). Jesus.

Want to hear a market driven solution? Quit buying vehicles with poor gas mileage and show the manufacturers that the buyers want something more efficient and WILL NOT continue to buy something that is unefficient. Currently there is no incentive because not enough people choose to go without the vehicles that get poor mileage. Consumers have to make the choice.

While I'm all for increased drilling here in the US, it's not a short term answer. It would take a while before the benefits are noticed due to having to build new infrastructure and work it into the sytem.

Stang5lgt
June 11th, 2008, 13:39
So if you have 6 kids you a suppoused to strap them to the roof?

Mudderoy
June 11th, 2008, 13:44
So if you have 6 kids you a suppoused to strap them to the roof?

6 kids!?!?!? My god man, buy a TV or get a hobby. :D

I have 5. :thumbup:

Jes
June 11th, 2008, 13:50
I don't use much gas, I'm tired of high diesel prices.

srimes
June 11th, 2008, 13:54
So if you have 6 kids you a suppoused to strap them to the roof?

No, but you can choose a lifestyle that involves less driving. Living closer to work and school can be even better than a econobox. When I was in school I had a 3 mile comute. With a drive like that I didn't car if my truck average 13 mpg.

But now I live out in the country and have a 24 mile (one way) comute. I'm still not signing a petition to lower gas prices. But I will vote, and I will take it into consideration when I buy my next house.

cal
June 11th, 2008, 13:54
The next person to ask me to sign a petition for lower gas prices is going to get spit on.

If you want lower gas prices, START USING LESS GAS.


Lower the demand, and they will lower the cost.

JNickel101
June 11th, 2008, 15:06
I vote we drop a few bombs on Beijing and Bangkok....

Less demand w/ just one B-2 sortie :)

5-90
June 11th, 2008, 15:09
I'd love to use less fuel - but not all of us have the option.

We operate on one vehicle, and I work from home. However, I've still got to run my MIL about two or three days a week (medical appointments, mostly) and that's all "stop-and-stop" driving. Go to a doctor, then another doctor, then a drugstore - and sometime take her directly from the doctor's office to the hospital. Run about for tests. Run get prescriptions (insurance companies being what they are, I can't get them all lined up to pick up on the same day, so I have to run to the drugstore about a dozen times a month. I've tried to transfer to mail-order, but it hasn't worked. And assorted patent meds. And incontinence pads. And...)

If she's in hospital, then we end up going every damn day to see her, since no-one else will (her own son and her own sister don't even call, unless we get after them to do so. Yes, we know they know she's in hospital again - we told them.)

My wife's drive to work is fairly straightforward, mostly expressway, and her hours are offset slightly so she can avoid traffic. I can't always avoid traffic when I'm running her mother about, so I often end up "stopping" more than "going"

I'm already certain that the Second American Revolution will have an economic trigger - either fuel prices or the tax bite with no real ROI - but I'm not sure what character the conflict will take. Will everyone just start not going to work en masse? Will there be "selective annihilation" of assorted company execs and decisionmakers? Will we find a way to strike back - economically? Will the SAR be political ("Spirit of '76 - Re-elect Nobody!") I don't know.

I do know it's coming. Liken this country to a pressure cooker - and the pressure keeps rising. I just don't know if it's going to blow out all at once, or if it's going to blow off through some variety of "safety valve" to attempt to sort things out.

While I'll admit to an increase in docility over the last 230 years (it's going to take quite a bit more to push us over the edge - as a people - than it did before,) that's going to make it all the more ugly when the "deer peepul" finally blast themselves out of a rut. "Still waters run deep" - the calmer someone tends to be, the worse the explosion when they finally blow up.

IntrepidXJ
June 11th, 2008, 15:09
high gas prices = less people on the roads. i'm ok with that :)

5-90
June 11th, 2008, 15:12
high gas prices = less people on the roads. i'm ok with that :)

I wish. If there were fewer people on the roads, I wouldn't have to plan so far ahead to get things done when I have to leave the house...

BruceB83
June 11th, 2008, 15:13
The next person to ask me to sign a petition for lower gas prices is going to get spit on.

If you want lower gas prices, START USING LESS GAS.


Lower the demand, and they will lower the cost.

:roflmao:...for real!

ECKSJAY
June 11th, 2008, 15:14
high gas prices = less POOR people on the roads. i'm ok with that :)

:wave: :clap: :party:

IntrepidXJ
June 11th, 2008, 15:15
less people on the trails, too :)

even better!

TRNDRVR
June 11th, 2008, 15:40
:sure:

Online petitions are as useless as the time it takes you to sign them.

ECKSJAY
June 11th, 2008, 15:44
:sure:

Online petitions are as useless as their Liberal topics.

:pig:

red_01_xj
June 11th, 2008, 15:47
http://www.realclassic.co.uk/bikepix/honda07051101.jpg

I got myself one of these...takes about 2.5 gals and can easly get 50mpg

Vince
June 11th, 2008, 15:51
When I was in school I had a 3 mile comute. With a drive like that I didn't car if my truck average 13 mpg.

In England, if you live 3 miles or less from school the County expects you to walk even if you are 5 years old.

Stang5lgt
June 11th, 2008, 15:58
6 kids!?!?!? My god man, buy a TV or get a hobby. :D

I have 5. :thumbup:I only have two and that is enough for now.

Stang5lgt
June 11th, 2008, 16:00
No, but you can choose a lifestyle that involves less driving. Living closer to work and school can be even better than a econobox. When I was in school I had a 3 mile comute. With a drive like that I didn't car if my truck average 13 mpg.

But now I live out in the country and have a 24 mile (one way) comute. I'm still not signing a petition to lower gas prices. But I will vote, and I will take it into consideration when I buy my next house.I am carpenter so sometimes I drive ten miles sometimes it is 100. So I don't have alot choice.

DeftwillP
June 11th, 2008, 16:05
http://www.americansolutions.com/actioncenter/petitions/?Guid=54ec6e43-75a8-445b-aa7b-346a1e096659
Please pass it on.

is this where i say nominated?

Stang5lgt
June 11th, 2008, 16:06
:sure:

Online petitions are as useless as the time it takes you to sign them.Don't sign it if you don't want to. Drilling isn't the anwser long term but it is short term. China is drill 50 miles off our coast. As long a China and India are subsidizing there oil so there people can have it for 60 bucks a barrel we will be screwed. Unless we start drilling our own.

Stang5lgt
June 11th, 2008, 16:37
Signing not only for drilling but also for Coal gasification, drill crude, and shale oil. Coal gas is being blocked right now. Can be made for around 40 bucks a barrel. Maybe it will make difference maybe it won't but there is already over a 500k signs on it. Time to let congress we are ready to start using our on resources. Signing only takes min. and give them the hint we tired of it.

And yes they can put a oil dike in my backyard and I will go out and kiss it. Cause oil has been real good to me.

5-90
June 11th, 2008, 17:33
http://www.realclassic.co.uk/bikepix/honda07051101.jpg

I got myself one of these...takes about 2.5 gals and can easly get 50mpg

Yeah - I keep kicking around the idea of getting one of those newish Diesel bikes - methinks that 120+ mpg should help take the sting out of $5/gallon...

(I think they're actually spec'd at ~140 - but I make some allowances, I'm a big guy. Extra weight and extra aerodynamic drag...)

[Then I remember the way people drive out here...]

srimes
June 11th, 2008, 17:52
I am carpenter so sometimes I drive ten miles sometimes it is 100. So I don't have alot choice.

It's true that it does raise the cost of doing business and therefor the cost of goods and services. A couple of years ago it costed me 65 bucks to get an in-town tow, where just a year before that it was 35 bucks. I'd hate to see what it is now. The cost does hurt.

But we didn't get in to this mess overnight and we won't get out of it quickly either. I'm a big fan of private enterprise but there are things the government can help with or do better. The space race was a prime example. I've thought for a while that we need to develop alternatives to gas, and private enterprise will not invest in developing those alternatives until there is sufficient pain. In situations like this where the pain is forseeable the govenment can help by investing in research and/or infrastructure to ease the transition to new technologies.

People have been bitching about gas prices and talking about lowering gas taxes to ease the pain. I think there should be a gas tax that is used to fund R&D on alternative technologies. If we had been doing this for a while we would have a lot more options than we have now, and it really wouldn't have hurt that much. A few pennies a gallon to develop electric cars and biodiesel infrastructure? Sounds good to me.

5-90
June 11th, 2008, 18:24
It's true that it does raise the cost of doing business and therefor the cost of goods and services. A couple of years ago it costed me 65 bucks to get an in-town tow, where just a year before that it was 35 bucks. I'd hate to see what it is now. The cost does hurt.

But we didn't get in to this mess overnight and we won't get out of it quickly either. I'm a big fan of private enterprise but there are things the government can help with or do better. The space race was a prime example. I've thought for a while that we need to develop alternatives to gas, and private enterprise will not invest in developing those alternatives until there is sufficient pain. In situations like this where the pain is forseeable the govenment can help by investing in research and/or infrastructure to ease the transition to new technologies.

People have been bitching about gas prices and talking about lowering gas taxes to ease the pain. I think there should be a gas tax that is used to fund R&D on alternative technologies. If we had been doing this for a while we would have a lot more options than we have now, and it really wouldn't have hurt that much. A few pennies a gallon to develop electric cars and biodiesel infrastructure? Sounds good to me.

Fuel taxes are supposed to go into transportation research and infrastructure (IIRC,) but I think the Romans had better roads before Christ. The problem isn't the funds being raised, it's the allocation of those funds once they've got them.

I constantly hear about how "Europe pays more per gallon than we do," but that's largely a case of apples/oranges. Europe actually spends their infrastructure dollars on transporation infrastructure - especially since the advent of the EU, I'd be willing to bet you could get from, say, Germany to England on public transportation. And do it in about a day.

It takes half a day to get from Santa Cruz to San Francisco on public transit around here.

No reason to raise taxes - just stop funding these petty little quasi-fiefdoms that bureaucrats seem to cherish, and put the money to better use. We could do a lot more with "public funds" if public funds weren't going into so many "private pockets." Government middle management is probably a bigger drain than welfare, contributes less, and is a sinecure for those with no saleable skills or talents.

Most of the inane bureaucrats I've had to deal with over the years simply bear this out (and don't get me started on Congresscritters - most of them are independently wealthy anyhow, so what do they need to be paid for - at all?)

I have always and will continue to vote against any new tax - if a project needs to be funded, there is already plenty in the public coffers (or there damned well should be.) Either stop spending it on useless projects (most of what's come out of the Endowment for the Arts in the last 20 years comes to mind...) stop spending it on middle management, stop spending it on Congresscritters, or stop giving welfare away for free (something akin to a resurrection of WPA would be a good idea. At least we'll be getting some ROI there.)

"If I'd given the money to the government, they'd have just wasted it." -Leo Gallagher.