responsible off roading video

[redneckboarder]

watch the whole thing before you make a judgement. i liked it and thought it had some good info
http://www.fs.fed.us/r6/wenatchee/cl...o/Backyard.mpg (http://www.fs.fed.us/r6/wenatchee/cle-elum-orv/video/Backyard.mpg)

[Begster]

I would agree with you, but I think it was biased just a little bit more towards the environmentalists. I think there could have been a little more information on safe wheeling and other aspects that wheelers go through to help the environment and such.

[redneckboarder]

oh definitley geared towards the environmentalists, i started watching it and said oh god here we go hippies bitching about us again, then it got into the not all 4x4 people are bad.

[WB9YZU]

I disagree.

The film was geared towards the "Mudders" in the area. Of special note was the comment about going to any area HS and seeing all the muddy trucks/jeeps/SUVs.

The info from the 4WD Association was to say "See, we have responsible people using the Forest, you should join them".

I wish though that they would have made the film with a bit less of the student/ activist characters and a bit more of the 4WD Association President as he seemed well spoken. Perhaps they were attempting to match their speakers age with those of their target audience.

The Film is factual and spot on. We can coexist in the Forests with our fellow environmentalists, we just need to be cognizant that we are not the only Forest users and stay on the trails.

Responsible trail use is more than staying on the trails though. Some of it is not using those trails when the soil conditions will not support sustained use, like during the spring thaw.

Ron

[sleeperjeeper]

I personally think these people should get a real job and stop harrassing wheelers. The world will be no better or worse with one less manzanita bush.

[crazyjim]

That chick... Talks about the land being beautiful, and the tracks destroying her fantasy that she was the only one ever there, and the land was just for her...

That's the attitude I hate about greenies. THEN in the NEXT frame she says:

"I think selfish and ignorant people have the mentality to disreguard other people in the environment"

Nice b*tch... Nice. So you being selfish doesn't count? Only when we want to have fun, it's selfish?

[WB9YZU]

There is no reason to refer to anyone in that film in a derogatory way.

I think some of you are taking this informative little bit of film a little too seriously.

I personally would like to call the film something other than "Our Backyard". perhaps something of it's actual subject, which is a river reclamation project and how "some" people are messing it up. But it is what it is.

The more people there are, the more diverse the interests will be in the Forest.

We have to get along with everyone and it's about high time we recognize that there are those among us who are more our enemy than the "Greenies".

We are all "Environmentalists". We want to use this resource in a responsible manner so that our children, and their children, and their children will be able to enjoy the Outdoors as we have been able to. In order to do that, we have to see both sides of this issue and somedays our boots will be on one side of the fence, and somedays the other.

Ron

[XJCHURCH]

A couple of the chicks were hot...I didn't give a chit what they had too say.:yap:

[CommandoXJ96]

"you can drive by any high school and see pickups, jeeps, suvs - just covered in mud."

maybe this is just the perspective of an arizona wheeler who sees little wet ground, but if my jeep is covered in mud, its probably not due to me going mudding/getting off the trail, but its probably because I was on the trail and theres been rain recently enough, or i got caught in the rain, and the puddles form in the trail... Hell, I've seen my moms 2wd soccer mom jeep muddy, and she doesn't go off-road. If the hippies just look at any muddy vehicle and assume thats how many people go into a "meadow full of flowers" and put the pedal to the floor... well, I don't even wanna know what kind of misunderstanding is taking place.

and yes, i watched the whole video, and I don't think it was horrible, but I did have some trouble with a few things that were said... apparently its not just some of the wheelers that are ignorant.

[Ramsey]

I love running over flowers and women are stupid.

[Serveck]

i think it had a point, but they were putting a stereotype on offroaders in general, claiming that they just went around thrashing any land they could find. while some people may do this, alot of people dont. ORV drivers in offroad clubs respect the land and clean up the trails that they go on (and stay on those trails only). i want to enjoy nature just as much as the next person, and it saddens me to see dirt tracks and trash left behind from someone that just does not care. i take the initive to clean up that trash and stay on the trails, they are giving us a bad image.

the thing about someone who is muddy must have gone through a meadow is completely ignorant on their part, i know trails here in maine get VERY muddy after a good rainstorm, and i personally like the look of my jeep coated in mud, but not in flowers that i ripped up.

[Mudderoy]

If it is illegal it's illegal and it shouldn't be done, however I've done that years ago.

Now with that sensibility said my personal opinion is environmentalist should be b*tch slapped :twak: until they get a balance between people and the environment.

In my opinion it is the environmentalist that is the reason we do not have the refining capacity to help supply our selves with fuel, and a lack of nuclear plants to generate electricity instead of doing so from burning fossil fuels.

OMG what about 200 years ago. Would they be complaining about the wagon marks in the grass, or the herds of cattle being driven to market.

I'm all for electric cars, and XJ's for that matter, but something in the range of a small fusion reactor with enough power to make the damn thing fly.

There is an extreme group that believes we should stop having children so in 75 years, or so, the planet would be rid of the pesky humans.

I've had my fill of this politically correct bull sh*t. Put the damn Indian back on the TV with the tear in his eye so people won't litter and be done with it. :flamemad:

[Mudderoy]

I love running over flowers and women are stupid.

This man should be running for president!

[Gerr]

I disagree.

The film was geared towards the "Mudders" in the area. Of special note was the comment about going to any area HS and seeing all the muddy trucks/jeeps/SUVs.

The info from the 4WD Association was to say "See, we have responsible people using the Forest, you should join them".

I wish though that they would have made the film with a bit less of the student/ activist characters and a bit more of the 4WD Association President as he seemed well spoken. Perhaps they were attempting to match their speakers age with those of their target audience.

The Film is factual and spot on. We can coexist in the Forests with our fellow environmentalists, we just need to be cognizant that we are not the only Forest users and stay on the trails.

Responsible trail use is more than staying on the trails though. Some of it is not using those trails when the soil conditions will not support sustained use, like during the spring thaw.

Ron

I fully agree with Ron's view on the video.

[alex22]

Notice how the one who is actually picking up the garbage on the trail is the jeeper, and not the enviornmentalist. The clips of the mudders trucks were old POS's that were sitting there with only one tire spinning in the mud and the Jeeps were heavily modified and doing their put-put down the trail. My XJ gets muddy all the time just on the drive back and forth to work, potholes, my driveway and the occasional dirt road, not the nice meadows full of flowers.
I enjoy camping and hikeing, but I'm looking for good parks around where I live where you can/need a 4x4 to get to a remote campsite, instead of hikeing 4 or 5 hours and arriving exhausted.


~Alex

[camarors8992]

I'd tell them to go F*** off, seriously.

[FlexdXJ]

Notice how the one who is actually picking up the garbage on the trail is the jeeper, and not the enviornmentalist. The clips of the mudders trucks were old POS's that were sitting there with only one tire spinning in the mud and the Jeeps were heavily modified and doing their put-put down the trail. My XJ gets muddy all the time just on the drive back and forth to work, potholes, my driveway and the occasional dirt road, not the nice meadows full of flowers.
I enjoy camping and hikeing, but I'm looking for good parks around where I live where you can/need a 4x4 to get to a remote campsite, instead of hikeing 4 or 5 hours and arriving exhausted.


~Alex



HA you said it man . Sounds like a bunch of tree-hugging Hippie Shit to me. Did you like how its always a Jeep guy who is cleaning up the trash left by the Mullet-rocking, beer guzzling, Ford and Chevy Pick-em-up drivers. I like trail-rides because in the Jeep World MUD IS BAD!!!!! Especially on stock axles. Ask my roommate. :twak:BAD HIPPIES

[sleeperjeeper]

Enviormentalists and enviornmental wannabe's are far worse than any wheelers I know. Most wheelers are fairly respectful of the areas the wheel. This guy I knew was telling me a story how he was on his ATV going down a trail, and he saw a jogger, so he pulled off to the side to let him by, but the jogger ran up and punched him in the mouth.

Tolerance is a lesson often preached by rarely followed by these righteous types. Being reasonable and practical is not in there nature.

Luckily there is NAXJA and other organizations that are hard at work to preserve our right to wheel.

[FlexdXJ]

Let me guess after that the guy you know proceeded to smash the jogger's face on a rock

[sleeperjeeper]

Let me guess after that the guy you know proceeded to smash the jogger's face on a rockNo he told the jogger that he is lucky that he isn't some psycho. running up and punching a random person is to the smartest thing to do. I guess they parted ways after that.

[sleeperjeeper]

By the way I am all for responsible wheeling, pack it in, pack it out, and all that. It is just frustrating when you read about 700 miles of trails closing because some rich enviormentallist got a hair up his/her a$$ and petitioned to have them closed. It just seemes they are so wrapped up in their "cause" that they care little for the effect the rest of us.

[mountainpoo]

i jeep and i love mud just as much as rocks. what if i am driving on a trail with mud on it? and so its ok for the "environmentalist" to enjoy the land there way but not ok for 4 wheelers to enjoy it their way?

[sleeperjeeper]

i jeep and i love mud just as much as rocks. what if i am driving on a trail with mud on it? and so its ok for the "environmentalist" to enjoy the land there way but not ok for 4 wheelers to enjoy it their way?
Ding, Ding, Ding!

I don't know when wheelers became the enemy, as us wheelers do a lot more to maintain the trails we use than the enviornmentalists.

[redneckboarder]

yea i dont see too many environmentalists filling in ruts and having a supply of garbage bags in their vehicle for trail pick ups...and in the long run those stupid electric cars are far less economical than most of out vehicles. the lifespan is far shorter and the batteries are extremely expensive to dispose of.

[DrMoab]

By the way I am all for responsible wheeling, pack it in, pack it out, and all that. It is just frustrating when you read about 700 miles of trails closing because some rich enviormentallist got a hair up his/her a$$ and petitioned to have them closed. It just seemes they are so wrapped up in their "cause" that they care little for the effect the rest of us.
And yet you want the democrats to when the election???

Stupid stupid stupid.

[chance_p]

i watched the first minute and 55 seconds and had to close it.

[sleeperjeeper]

And yet you want the democrats to when the election???

Stupid stupid stupid.

As I have said before, I am a firm non voter. It's not like either candidate is actually going to follow through with all those wonderous promises they make. At this point I would be happy with a president that doesn't start a nuclear war.

If one really wants to make a difference by voting and politics etc, then you have to stay local. Research and follow what types of legislations etc are going on in your local county.

I myself have more important things to do that try to tell others what to do. Live and let live.

[DrMoab]

At this point I would be happy with a president that doesn't start a nuclear war.
Whats wrong with Nuclear war? This world is in need of a serious population reduction anyway.

Maybe a few well placed nukes in China, India and a few other over populated countries would cure a few problems.

And....I wasn't tell you what to do. Vote for who you want.

Just remember that a liberal congress and president is exactly what the environmental movement is looking for. Our government would be nothing but puppets for them. You may not like how Bush has handled this war...most of us don't but in my eyes the war is way way down on the list of things that are important in our lives and how we live it.

[Muddy Beast]

It's sad to me knowing this whole thing was filmed in my area...because it makes the Washington state guys look bad (to those outside the community)

Although I will say the high school thing is true, in the parking lot at my high school there's always one Jeep covered in mud, and at least 7 lifted Jeeps (not including trucks) out of 100or so cars in one of the 3 parking lots. Plus where I live there's probably 5 illegal trails within a 5mile radius...which is unfortunate.

[sleeperjeeper]

It's sad to me knowing this whole thing was filmed in my area...because it makes the Washington state guys look bad (to those outside the community)

Although I will say the high school thing is true, in the parking lot at my high school there's always one Jeep covered in mud, and at least 7 lifted Jeeps (not including trucks) out of 100or so cars in one of the 3 parking lots. Plus where I live there's probably 5 illegal trails within a 5mile radius...which is unfortunate.

Well they should just make them legal, then they wouldn't have to worry about it. Loss of animal habitats is not caused by wheeling, but by logging and general population growth. They need to get over it, and focus on factors that actually make a difference.

[in2fords]

Some people seem to miss the point of the video. Its not saying wheelers are bad, its saying IRRESPONSIBLE wheelers are bad. Its true that wheelers do alot of clean ups, maintance and what not on the trails. It is also true that the majority of the trash and damage is caused by IRRESPONSIBLE wheelers :(

there is a balance to everything. SOME wheelers think that all greenies should be slapped because SOME greenies think all wheelers should be slapped??!! seems that they have more in common then they think?

their are extremist on everything, politics, religion, and enviroment. If you can open your eyes to both sides you will find the truth inbetween.

[winkosmosis]

I haven't watched this video yet, but I see a problem here.

Some of you say "This video is good because it shows that not all 4wheelers are bad". Yes, it's true that not all 4wheelers are bad. I wish NONE of us were bad-- but all you have to do is look at the OTHER replies in this thread to see that a lot are bad, or at least stupid. I'm talkinga bout the ones saying "I like to run over flowers" or "I hate manzanita bushes". It's like the concept of tread lightly went over those peoples heads completely.

There's no need for ANY compromise between nature and humans as far as 4wheeling goes. Humans should be smart enough to stay on the trail and destroy vegetation. If knocking over trees and tearing up meadows is something you enjoy, you need to find a different hobby and stop vandalizing OUR 4wheeling environment. If everyone followed treaded lightly, there would be no conflict with the vast majority of environmentalists.

And also, always remember that if it weren't for environmentalism there would be far fewer places TO offroad in. If it weren't for the federal government, there would be no vast public lands to go on week long expeditions through. A lot of fourwheelers seem to have a libertarian political stance, but remember that if libertarians like Ron Paul were to somehow win the presidency and the congress, public lands would all be sold off to the highest bidder, whose first action would be to put up fences.

[Swamprat]

hell, i go mudding all the time. me and my freinds love tearing up some soggy patch of dirt in there pastures. you wont see me off the trails at an orv park, or plowing through the "pretty little meadows" unless there on my land or one of my buddys land. im all in the whole idea of keeping public land nice, but private land is going to get torn up as pleased. and theres nothing that said hippies can do about it. im in highschool and come monday or tuesday the chance of seeing anyone's truck/jeep/SUV mud in pretty slim.

[mountainpoo]

i dont recall ron paul making to far in the elections. im also pretty sure those guys who said i like to run over flowers and who cares about the bushes or whatever were joking.

[Ramsey]

Hell no I wasn't.

[NW-ZJ-SCOTT]

Interesting video.

Can i ask why this thread had to take a turn? its one thing to state your oppinion.. but.. what the hell does a nuclear war and Ron paul have to do with this?.. C'mon.

[Vanquish]

Euthanize hippies, Ron Paul, and everyone in that video :hang:

Theres far worse shit happening in this world than people not "treading lightly" anywhere for that matter.

Focus on something that matters...not people tearing up land. It's land, it can be fixed. Ontop of that, IT FIXES ITSELF!

WHY WOULD HIPPIES WANT TO HANG OUT IN MUDDY FORESTS ANYWAY???

[in2fords]

By the responses to this thread I can see we will have a very short time period to offroad. most pople will think these are the reactions of all offroaders and shut everything down!

[winkosmosis]

By the responses to this thread I can see we will have a very short time period to offroad. most pople will think these are the reactions of all offroaders and shut everything down!

Not just that, but what's the point of public lands if they aren't kept beautiful and pristine as possible while maintaining the trails going through them?

[DrMoab]

Not just that, but what's the point of public lands if they aren't kept beautiful and pristine as possible while maintaining the trails going through them?
Whats the point of having beautiful and pristine public lands if no one can access them?

The sad truth is that the people who are closing our 4x4 areas down are people who will never ever see the country with their own eyes anyway.

[in2fords]

and by making a feild with a trail thru it into a mud bog we are giving them the power to do so.
I can enjoy the scenery without leaving the trail, if I need a closer look I have these things called legs, they can get me closer.

[DrMoab]

and by making a feild with a trail thru it into a mud bog we are giving them the power to do so.
I can enjoy the scenery without leaving the trail, if I need a closer look I have these things called legs, they can get me closer.
Do you know how little that happens any more?

People, especially the 4x4 community has got so much more aware then they were 10 years ago.

90% of the Jeepers I see out there are way more environmentally responsible then the hikers. Everyone I see on the trail now days has a garbage bag on the back and pick up others trash. In fact I would care to wager they are cleaner then the hikers and Mtn Bikers I see. You get on a hiking trail and its all a bunch of trash, toilet paper and crap like that.

What about the people with out legs? I know of at least two guys who are paralyzed that wheel because they can not get out and walk.

In fact I wish the American's with disabilities people would get involved a little more to keep our trails open, those folks have just as much right to the back country as you do.

[FlexdXJ]

Do you know how little that happens any more?

People, especially the 4x4 community has got so much more aware then they were 10 years ago.

90% of the Jeepers I see out there are way more environmentally responsible then the hikers. Everyone I see on the trail now days has a garbage bag on the back and pick up others trash. In fact I would care to wager they are cleaner then the hikers and Mtn Bikers I see. You get on a hiking trail and its all a bunch of trash, toilet paper and crap like that.

What about the people with out legs? I know of at least two guys who are paralyzed that wheel because they can not get out and walk.

In fact I wish the American's with disabilities people would get involved a little more to keep our trails open, those folks have just as much right to the back country as you do.

Im down for that. I have Becker's muscular Dystrophy .While it may not be the worst form. It is a PITA. I have trouble walking up hills and all that stuff. I stilll enjoy nature and i have always loved Jeeps, so i bought one, put bigger tires on it and a lift. Stupid Hippies don't understand that us people with disabilities still love the outdoors. They think that just closing every trail that gets wheeled is the solution. Nope. Its the damn problem. :dunno:

[mrpopo573]

By the responses to this thread I can see we will have a very short time period to offroad. most pople will think these are the reactions of all offroaders and shut everything down!

I agree. Next time you guys "honeymoon" in Hawaii go check out our natural resources. We have very little left of what makes us "Hawaiian," and when you are 4x4ing there you are always within a few feet of sacred land or a nature reserve. Disrespect for the land is easy to ignore when you have a state with plenty of room, but on an island it is impossible to ignore the effects as the scars aren't easily hidden by 100s of acres of forest.

I keep this in mind when I'm out and about. Bush, Cheney, Hillary, Obama, nothing of it means anything when I'm enjoying the unpaved road. I pick up after myself and care for the land because it is important to me as a human being.

[in2fords]

Yeah, it is so prevelent here. We do what we can but the law breakers are the ones that get noticed so much more then the rest of us that do clean ups and take of the trails and try to get legal wheeling spots.

[olsen78]

i think it not a bad little flick with an open mind. i also think if we can teach the bad to do good we would be better off. as for the muddy trucks i live down a drit road i get muddy on that hell so does the wife, i would be willing to bet they didnt think about that. just be happy we have a place to go wheel and lets keep it that way. as where the video took place its cool that they show a washington wheeler cleaning up the trail

[Kiefer316]

thats why there is stay the trail

[xcm]

the way i see it, its all about missplaced priorities.
like the enviroment, me to, maybe you should start by critisizing REAL, GIANT, PROBLEMS, like industrial dumping, smog, water contamination by large companies...etc
whats gonna do more damage, 14 beercans in a some-what campsite, or someone dumping mtbe into the water supply?

im tired of the hippy bullshit of closing ANY single peice of open land, just cause someone is enjoying it. its the same kinda people who chases down kids for ridin dirtbikes, spewing the crap about who your parents are gonna sue, and other BULLSHIT.

the problem is douchebags. XXXX you douchebags I WILL WHEEL it!