Started the Front HP Dana 60

[cracker]

Because I am on a quest to someday become a Tinbender, I started my Dana 60 project.

Got the truss work done with thanks to Troy (steagal9301). His rear truss work on his Dana 35 was so inspirational I wanted to have the same beef on my front axle. He incorporated the control arm mounts into the truss design. Check out the beef!

Please forgive the pics as my wife had my camera last night and I had to use my phone.

New axle:

http://beta.propichosting.com/FileHandler.ashx?pa=501326&sub=210&timecode=632921096773906250&checkref=1



This was my inspiration:

http://beta.propichosting.com/ThumbHandler.ashx?pa=501326&sub=207&width=180&ext=bmp&key=632921097546093750http://beta.propichosting.com/ThumbHandler.ashx?pa=501326&sub=208&width=180&ext=bmp&key=632921097546093750http://beta.propichosting.com/ThumbHandler.ashx?pa=501326&sub=209&width=180&ext=bmp&key=632921097546093750

This will match my rear axle well!

More pics soon to come.

[Paul S]

[QUOTE=cracker]Because I am on a quest to someday become a Tinbender, I started my Dana 60 project.
/QUOTE]

Please delete this now. The Tin Benders (:worship:) own the Hammers, their name should not be used at the tail end of any joke.

Shame on you Avery:moon:

Paul

[Jes]

Are you building a pre-running axle or a rock crawling axle?! :confused:

[Lonestar]

Are you building a pre-running axle or a rock crawling axle?! :confused:
Doesn't give ya much ground clearance.

[Jump This]

Ummmm...you know that Troy didn't build the truss work on the 35?
He found a rolled truck out in the Dez and took all the cool stuff off of it before I could get there.....or so I am told :D
Rick R

[Beej]

Glad to see you found one Crackah... :thumbup:

Cheapest one I've seen since was $900.00

[Mr.OverKill]

i cant take all the credit...........just the better part of it :laugh3:

besides, the pre runner axle design is for the race to the trail and it gives you a level of grind protection for the axle tube that top only trusses do not!

[Ramsey]

Its certainly interesting, no one ever said good things have to be pretty....Whats the wms" gonna be?

[YELLAHEEP]

I'm at a loss..........

What possible reason does one need to truss a 60 when all that's going on top of it is an XJ? That top truss looks like it'll cave in the engine oilpan over the first speed bump.

Sorry, but it looks like you built a radio antenna tower around it.....

:dunno:

[NXJ]

Sooo, all in all you made an anchor that massages your oil pan? :confused1

[Matt S.]

http://www.ffo-tackle.com/productimages/CD6-5000BGFB.jpg

[Matt S.]

http://www.ffo-tackle.com/productimages/CD6-5000BGFB.jpg
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http://www.klutinacharters.com/images/klutinacharters-huge-alaska-king-salmon.jpg

[XJ_ranger]

Got a chance to see it this weekend!
:confused1
blew a stub and the hubs survived!

a little larger than id like, but I run a 44 on 33's, so ground clearance isnt really an issue anyhow...
:confused1

[Root Moose]

Needs more triangulation.

[OT]

Whats the wms" gonna be?
Probably the brake disk.:dunce:

[Ramsey]

Probably the brake disk.:dunce:
Thats enough out of you!

[LBEXJ]

Quote:
Originally Posted by OT
Probably the brake disk.
Thats enough out of you!
Was this your tranny problem, Rambolla? :D

Les

[Ramsey]

Starting to think it might be the fuel pump. Finally put in half a tank of gas and it doesnt seem to do it anymore.

[RWKHausSupply]

avery heres the axle I was talking about just FYI...

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=500369

[cracker]

Scrappy you called it. I was http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/images/smilies/fishing.gif

I was at Currie a couple of weeks ago in the back and a couple of the sales guys and I were laughing on how ridiculous the thing was. It was going onto a solid axle conversion for a Chevy 3500HD that was to be running 49s. Got to love the Orange County. I just had to tak a pic of it ;)

[cracker]

avery heres the axle I was talking about just FYI...

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=500369

That thing is pretty cool.

[Matt S.]

That thing is pretty cool.


BUY IT!

[cracker]

BUY IT!

I think it needs 17s, the housing needs to be swapped and I would still need a third member.

That would be a lot of $$$

[jrsxj98]

avery heres the axle I was talking about just FYI...

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=500369

Yeah buy it Cracker...

http://www.spidertrax.com/s.nl/sc.7/.f

[BrettM]

those Spidertrax axles are freaking sweet.

[Ramsey]

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/9195/fishinghookai6.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/5393/xtrastrongiy4.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/7470/sinkersn8.jpg

[Root Moose]

You guys aren't "worried" about the welded knuckle and "C"?

I dunno, can't get my head wrapped around that for some reason.

[Paul S]

I think it needs 17s, the housing needs to be swapped and I would still need a third member.

That would be a lot of $$$

Since it was setup for mid engine, once you flip the housing (drivers drop) the 3rd will be correct. Then it's a simple matter of cutting off & flipping the inners.

I was close to making an offer on it a couple weeks ago, but Garry talked me out of it.

Not to mention, with CTM stubs & Ujoints, & Yukon inners, it doesn't have balanced axles:laugh:

Paul

[cracker]

He says 15s will work. I want to know how those knuckles come off. I don't think cutting and wacking at it with a sledge will work on those things but we'll see.

Thenall I would need is a True Hi 9 :shocked:

-Avery

[Goatman]

You guys aren't "worried" about the welded knuckle and "C"?

I dunno, can't get my head wrapped around that for some reason.


Trophy trucks and Class 1 buggies run similar knuckles with no problems, and they beat the crap out of them. As long as they are well built, which the Spidertrax knuckles look like they are, there shouldn't ever be a problem.

Has anyone run across the diameter of a 33 spline Dodge stub shaft?

[CRASH]

Has anyone run across the diameter of a 33 spline Dodge stub shaft?


Rich, 33 spline axles have a major diameter of 1.41".

According to the old SAE handbook, all modern axles are known as 24-pitch. If the shaft had a 1-inch circular pitch diameter (the mid-point between the major and minor diameters), it would exhibit exactly 24 splines (or teeth). The distance between the centerline of adjacent splines remains constant, so as the diameter of the shaft increases, so does spline count. For examle, a 35-spline axle has a major diameter of 1,500 inches; a 40-spline axle is 1.708 inches in diameter.

[Goatman]

I'm wondering how the strength compares between my 33 spline Tera/Dutchman stub and a 35 spline Spicer. I'm thinking it should be about the same in the splines, but should be stronger in the yokes. Since I'm sticking to 37" tires for now, I'm hoping it will be pretty bullet proof................... :)

I just have to get used to that damn air locker. :D

[CRASH]

You can plug in the spline count values into Moser's calculator and then subtract the value of the lower quality Spicer stub. Generally, the induction hardened 1541h stubs are 15% stronger than OEM stuff. 4340 will be much more, maybe 30% (that's a WAG).

[Goatman]

Looks like there is about a 15% difference in strength between 33 and 35 splines, so if the better alloy shafts are 15% stronger than Spicers, my 33 spline stubs are equal strength to a 35 spline Spicer. The yokes are still stronger, which helps eliminate yoke/u-joint failure, those yokes are beefy looking.

BTW, what's the spline pitch of our 19 spline, 1.23" diameter D44 stubs? :D

[CRASH]

Looks like there is about a 15% difference in strength between 33 and 35 splines, so if the better alloy shafts are 15% stronger than Spicers, my 33 spline stubs are equal strength to a 35 spline Spicer. The yokes are still stronger, which helps eliminate yoke/u-joint failure, those yokes are beefy looking.

BTW, what's the spline pitch of our 19 spline, 1.23" diameter D44 stubs? :D


Is that front 60 you have built with Dodge unit bearings? How else did you get 33 spline stubs?

[Paul S]

I'm wondering how the strength compares between my 33 spline Tera/Dutchman stub and a 35 spline Spicer. I'm thinking it should be about the same in the splines, but should be stronger in the yokes. Since I'm sticking to 37" tires for now, I'm hoping it will be pretty bullet proof................... :)

I just have to get used to that damn air locker. :D

Just wait for Cracker to get drunk swap 'um out for his 300M stubs.
I'd be happy to help.

Paul

[cracker]

Just wait for Cracker to get drunk swap 'um out for his 300M stubs.
I'd be happy to help.

Paul

That's it, I'm going to start using wheel locks :D

BTW, those 300m shafts were set up for extra turning angle and extra material to strengthen the yolk.

[Goatman]

Is that front 60 you have built with Dodge unit bearings? How else did you get 33 spline stubs?

Yup, that's what it is. It's Tera through and through, with Tera knuckles that accept D44 high steer arms, 1/2 ton brakes, and unit bearings. It has Tera 35 spline inner and 33 spline outer axle shafts, and I was told that Tera gets their shafts from Dutchman. No hubs or drive flanges to mess with...........it's like a way over grown XJ D30. :)

Next time I get a spare $1700 I'll think about some 300M CTM stubs and axle joints. :confused1 :looney:

[CRASH]

Why does Tera have to be so ghey?

[Goatman]

Why does Tera have to be so ghey?

Because they're from Utah? :dunno:


I guess the ball joint knuckles aren't so bad, since Currie and Dynatrac also use ball joints. The knuckles are perfectly flat on top, so off the shelf D44 arms are designed to work, while D60 arms are meant for king pin knuckles. The knuckles use 1/2 ton brakes which are prefered for weight and because they'll accept 15" rims. Don't know why they use the Dodge unit bearings rather than Ford, I guess because the Dodge are 33 spline and the Ford are 30 spline......not so bad, unless you spend the extra dough to have the Ford hubs changed to 35 spline and then get the more expensive 35 spline stubs. The knuckles and inner C's themselves are pretty beefy. They do have the option of using Chevy spindles instead of unit bearings, so you can get 35 spline stubs. Overall, I liked the Tera knuckles while I was thinking about building a front D60, a good combination of strength and cost.

I don't have to worry about breaking a hub........ :)

[Paul S]

Because they're from Utah? :dunno:


I guess the ball joint knuckles aren't so bad, since Currie and Dynatrac also use ball joints. The knuckles are perfectly flat on top, so off the shelf D44 arms are designed to work, while D60 arms are meant for king pin knuckles. The knuckles use 1/2 ton brakes which are prefered for weight and because they'll accept 15" rims. Don't know why they use the Dodge unit bearings rather than Ford, I guess because the Dodge are 33 spline and the Ford are 30 spline......not so bad, unless you spend the extra dough to have the Ford hubs changed to 35 spline and then get the more expensive 35 spline stubs. The knuckles and inner C's themselves are pretty beefy. They do have the option of using Chevy spindles instead of unit bearings, so you can get 35 spline stubs. Overall, I liked the Tera knuckles while I was thinking about building a front D60, a good combination of strength and cost.

I don't have to worry about breaking a hub........ :)

The Dodge unit bearings have some +'s over the Ford:
They're stock, off the shelf ready to go for about $150 each. A modified (5 on 5.5, 35 spline) Ford runs about $325 each.
No need to throw an additional $200+ at drive flanges.
As simple, compact & light weight as it gets.
Superior has 33 spline stubs for under $250 each.

No doubt that they'll hold up great to 4D's.

Paul

[GSequoia]

Hey cool.

You can even use the bottom truss as a tie down point for the trailer!

[XJEEPER]

Because the owner's are from California? :dunno:

Fixed it Richard......

[cracker]

Fixed it Richard......

I think Richard had it right the first time ;)