Trail Ideas

[o2bgpn]

Any idea what trails we’re going to run? Maybe we could make a list to choose from and vote on?

Just a thought from the peanut gallery. :)

[XJ20]

I think brian has a list of trail leaders so he may have an idea on what trails we are good for right now. I think we need to do a few of each level depending on attendance and leaders. If you have a trail in particular or want to lead one let brian know.

[o2bgpn]

Thanks Steve. Hey Brian, got a list of trails people could look at? :D

[KRAKER]

Yeah what's on the menu?

[mattyj]

Im thinking of rolling down for this one..... anybody have any pics from the trails we might be running. Its always nice to get a visual of some of the stuff before you go somewhere new.....

[Wounded XJ]

This is the only one I have from the area, but I'm sure others have more.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u240/woundedxj/Camping032507131.jpg

[XJ20]

Here’s some pics of a few places we will be wheeling. Some of these trails are just minutes from camp and I guess we would have multiple groups going each day to well known trails like lower and upper woodpecker and lower and upper ajax. A little further from camp is martinez canyon, coke ovens, jack handle, box canyon, and elvis. In between are some extreme trails. I won’t mention their names on the web but I think we can get some guys hooked up to do those trails. Below are links to naxja threads with lots of pics, too.

Upper woodpecker
http://www.dakotacom.net/~jeepster/100_4618-1.jpg (http://www.dakotacom.net/~jeepster/100_4618-1.jpg)

http://www.dakotacom.net/~jeepster/100_4775-1.jpg (http://www.dakotacom.net/~jeepster/100_4775-1.jpg)

http://www.dakotacom.net/~jeepster/100_4592-1.jpg (http://www.dakotacom.net/~jeepster/100_4592-1.jpg)

Lower ajax
http://www.dakotacom.net/~jeepster/100_4167-1.jpg (http://www.dakotacom.net/~jeepster/100_4167-1.jpg)

http://www.dakotacom.net/~jeepster/100_4192-1.jpg (http://www.dakotacom.net/~jeepster/100_4192-1.jpg)

Elvis
http://www.dakotacom.net/~jeepster/0457-1.jpg (http://www.dakotacom.net/~jeepster/0457-1.jpg)

http://www.dakotacom.net/~jeepster/0469-1.jpg (http://www.dakotacom.net/~jeepster/0469-1.jpg)

http://www.dakotacom.net/~jeepster/0315-1.jpg (http://www.dakotacom.net/~jeepster/0315-1.jpg)

Box canyon
http://www.dakotacom.net/~jeepster/100_4147-1.jpg (http://www.dakotacom.net/~jeepster/100_4147-1.jpg)

Mineral mtn rd
http://www.dakotacom.net/~jeepster/100_4153-1.jpg (http://www.dakotacom.net/~jeepster/100_4153-1.jpg)

Three nice pics of highway to hell on post #306
http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=63901&page=21

Pics of upper woodpecker
http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=936751 (http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=936751)

Lower woodpecker and highway to hell
http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=63901

Lots of pics from our campout
http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=912617

Box canyon trip
http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=904737

[4xSanta]

looks like some great wheeling, can't wait......SANTA

[mattyj]

looks awesome down there guys...... thanks for the pics to get me excited!

[AZRockRunner]

I cant seem to find my pics of elvis, Maybe I was to busy to take pics.......................

[KRAKER]

Oh man I can't wait to see some Cali folks out here. Those of you who are thinking of coming out. DO IT! It will be worth the 6 hr drive. If you like you can even use my house as a jump off point.

[o2bgpn]

Some shots of the Martinez Canyon area:

http://itsatj.com/gallery/d/7649-2/Martinez_Canyon_5_Feb_05_004.jpg

http://itsatj.com/gallery/d/13971-2/Martinez+Canyon+31+Mar+07-08.jpg

http://itsatj.com/gallery/d/7673-2/Martinez_Canyon_5_Feb_05_012.jpg

See you there!

[XJ20]

Mike, that’s a great pic of martinez canyon loop and the boulder field. Here are a few pics from about 10 years ago I scanned. http://www.dakotacom.net/~jeepster/tipshades.gif

The wash
http://www.dakotacom.net/~jeepster/martinezcyn-1.jpg

The crack
http://www.dakotacom.net/~jeepster/martinezcyn-2.jpg


The mill
http://www.dakotacom.net/~jeepster/martinezcyn-3.jpg


The cave
http://www.dakotacom.net/~jeepster/martinezcyn-4.jpg

[kemolewis]

Yeah what trails are we planning? Upper and Lower Woodpecker, Upper and Lower Ajax, H2H, Elvis, Martinez Loop, Box Canyon, Jackhandle? Any of the hard trails like Woodys Wash, Axle Alley, Bad Medicine, Overdose, Extasy? What are we planning?

[o2bgpn]

Steve, love those old pics. I always get a kick out of comparing then and now. Was that your old Bronco? I’ve heard about people falling into the Crack but that’s the first one I’ve seen. Cool. :guitar:

[XJ20]

Mike the bronco belongs to an engineer here at the observatory.

Kemo there will be trail rides of various difficulties each day. I don’t know which ones and may be arranged the day of. Pick one and lead.

There are trails for semi stock 4wd’s, too. The road systems that the rock crawling trails start from are old mining roads which wind their way from our camp throughout the middle gila river canyons. If there is interest then we can make arrangements to wheel from camp to:

Ajax mine road to superior.
Box canyon via mineral mtn road.
Coke ovens.
Battleaxe road via coke ovens.
Walnut Canyon via battleaxe road.
White canyon via battleaxe (protected, a place for hikers).

Here are some more pics.

Box canyon road
http://www.dakotacom.net/~jeepster/100_0955-1.jpg

Coke oven trail
http://www.dakotacom.net/~jeepster/100_3101-1.jpg

Coke ovens with south butte in the background (you can see the trestle over the gila river in the back)
http://www.dakotacom.net/~jeepster/100_3114-1.jpg

Battleaxe road with walnut canyon in the background
http://www.dakotacom.net/~jeepster/100_3797-1.jpg

Battleaxe is an easy trail but watch for those washouts
http://www.dakotacom.net/~jeepster/100_1031-1.jpg

Descending walnut canyon to the gila river
http://www.dakotacom.net/~jeepster/100_3814-1.jpg

[mattyj]

Battleaxe is an easy trail but watch for those washouts
http://www.dakotacom.net/~jeepster/100_1031-1.jpg









Nice line....

:D

[Wounded XJ]

And who could forget this one on Elvis

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u240/woundedxj/11-2-07naxja037.jpg

[AZRockRunner]

Theres just something FREAKIN WRONG with that picture!!!!!!!!!!

I think I was a little out of alignment that trip!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

but atleast my XJ was there, where was yours???????????????

:wstupid:

[bhorocks]

state trust land permits will be needed right? should that be stickyed?

[mattyj]

state trust land permits will be needed right? should that be stickyed?

Please explain.......

[KRAKER]

Out here. you have to get a permit to be on state trust land. it's about 20 bux. kinda like a forest adventure pass. I'm not sure exactly how it works. If I find a link I'll post up info on it.

[AZRockRunner]

It is my understanding that we will have a group permit that will allow us to camp there. Steve can you verify this?
You do NOT need a permit to drive the trails out there just to camp on state trust land.

[XJ20]

state trust land permits will be needed right? should that be stickyed?

No individual or family state trust land permit is required. We will have a non-profit club permit.

Brian, I don’t have the permit yet but the asld cashed the $50 check so I think we’re good. I filled out the application, included the liability ins paper, provided section, town, range, and county identification along with plat map, topo map, and twenty seven eight-by-ten color glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one….http://www.dakotacom.net/~jeepster/tipshades.gif

[bhorocks]

No individual or family state trust land permit is required. We will have a non-profit club permit.

Brian, I don’t have the permit yet but the asld cashed the $50 check so I think we’re good. I filled out the application, included the liability ins paper, provided section, town, range, and county identification along with plat map, topo map, and twenty seven eight-by-ten color glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one….http://www.dakotacom.net/~jeepster/tipshades.gif

well,

all that info should do it!

[AZRockRunner]

Yes, thank you very much for posting that up Steve.

Also, I want to add a note to Woundedxj, as far as the Z-turn on Elvis goes, BRING IT ?BABY, I am ready for it now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Wounded XJ]

Yes, thank you very much for posting that up Steve.

Also, I want to add a note to Woundedxj, as far as the Z-turn on Elvis goes, BRING IT ?BABY, I am ready for it now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ahh revenge! How sweet it is.

[KRAKER]

Revenge is the sweetest joy next to getting ...

Tupac

[o2bgpn]

.... and twenty seven eight-by-ten color glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one….http://www.dakotacom.net/~jeepster/tipshades.gif


Haven't heard that in a long time. :D

[OddBallXJ]

Brian, have you started identifying leaders and tail gunners for the various trails or are you going to wait. I will be out there Thu morning. When are you coming up?

[AZRockRunner]

I have not defined a list yet. I will wait till we are closer to the date.

[OddBallXJ]

Call me if you need any help or backchannel. I'll do what I can to help.

[bill shondel]

moving to phx the 21 of march and like to go on the run with you guys. What do I need to do? I haven't been on any of the trails in AZ. I have a 92xj 4.5 lift 33 TSL swampers dana 30 open, 8.25 locked and NO rock pertection. Up in seattle it goes anywhere. But not sure about down there. Alot of rocks down there.

[AZRockRunner]

moving to phx the 21 of march and like to go on the run with you guys. What do I need to do? I haven't been on any of the trails in AZ. I have a 92xj 4.5 lift 33 TSL swampers dana 30 open, 8.25 locked and NO rock pertection. Up in seattle it goes anywhere. But not sure about down there. Alot of rocks down there.

Well, 1st off, PICS or BAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2nd of all, it sounds likeyou got a decent rig and can handle most 3 and maybe 4 rated trails. I would think about rocker protection and trannie and transfercase protection ASAP but I wheeled without it for a few weeks.

Most of the trails we run have bypasses for the hard stuff so, as long as your careful you should be fine.

:cheers:

[Wounded XJ]

moving to phx the 21 of march and like to go on the run with you guys. What do I need to do? I haven't been on any of the trails in AZ. I have a 92xj 4.5 lift 33 TSL swampers dana 30 open, 8.25 locked and NO rock pertection. Up in seattle it goes anywhere. But not sure about down there. Alot of rocks down there.

I think you will be fine. Rocker protection is a plus if you can pick some up in time, but do not let it stop you from joining us there.

[OddBallXJ]

My heep is similar to yours. I would suggest transfer case skid, gas tank skid and rock sliders if you can do it before the event. If not, most everything has bypasses if there's a chance to cause damage.

[KRAKER]

So is there a menu yet?

[Mdub]

Here's some pics:

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s178/M_dubble/BoxCanyon010.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s178/M_dubble/BoxCanyon023.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s178/M_dubble/BoxCanyon004-1.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s178/M_dubble/Ajax014-1.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s178/M_dubble/Ajax016-1.jpg

[mattyj]

looks like its fun and beautiful there... looking forward to my first AZ wheeling trip!

[corbinafly]

looks like its fun and beautiful there... looking forward to my first AZ wheeling trip!
X2. I hope!

[x*BIGASSALEX*j]

X2. I hope!

AZ voted # 1 wheelin in the nation..... Im from Cali too dont get me wrong I love home. But I have wheeled there and here. I truly enjoy and prefer AZ over Cali any day....:clap: Cant believe I just said that... Please take my Laker Lover Card....:doh:

[KRAKER]

I'd have to agree the wheeling is better out here.

[caged XJ]

Does any one know what trails are going to be run on what days?

[AZRockRunner]

We will be posting a list or trails along with a sign up sheet to begin the day.

[OddBallXJ]

Does any one know what trails are going to be run on what days?

Jason, with the number of rigs that are supposed to be showing up, there should be multiple runs each day. Do you have my cell #?

[4xSanta]

I'd have to agree the wheeling is better out here.

The wheeling was better here but we have broken most of the rocks now,so we will come there and break your rocks!.......SANTA

[AZRockRunner]

The key to getting more than 1 run in a day is to keep the rigs to a small group on each trail. Also to have the rigs on the trails that they are capable of and not just wanting to see if they can.
This is why we will make the trails and have sign ups each day.
I am also hoping for some night runs so make sure to have your rock lights ready!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ARE WE THERE YET???????????????

Lata

[Mdub]

Is there any way to start the sign up sheets early? I'm showing up Friday and don't want to be left out of a run that sounds fun...:cry:

The key to getting more than 1 run in a day is to keep the rigs to a small group on each trail. Also to have the rigs on the trails that they are capable of and not just wanting to see if they can.
This is why we will make the trails and have sign ups each day.
I am also hoping for some night runs so make sure to have your rock lights ready!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ARE WE THERE YET???????????????

Lata

[Jump This]

Is there any way to start the sign up sheets early? I'm showing up Friday and don't want to be left out of a run that sounds fun...:cry:


Yeah, like someone will say ' You can't go with US, because you didn't sign up early enough....'
Probably don't need to worry about that one..
Making sure your rig is capable of the run you choose is, by far, the most important item in keeping the groups rollin'....

Now that I have said that......I'll break something stupid on the first rock...

:wierd:

[AZRockRunner]

Ya, we just want everyone to be safe and have fun. Run the trails that there rig is capable of and ride along on harder ones if you want.

[longarmjpxj]

so my heres my question im coming out thre on sat morning is there a meet a great spot or how are we all meeting up ive been there the past two weekends and done a few trails out there cant wait to wheel with a few more xjs rather than tjs so thats my question weres everyone meeting and or what time thx

[AZRockRunner]

All runs will originate and end at the camp site location.
You cant miss us, we will be all the CHEROKEES that know how to wheel!!!!!!!!!!yucka yucka yucka!!!!!

[longarmjpxj]

ok theres like a thousand camp locations is evryone coming in off the flag pole or????

[AZRockRunner]

We will be on the left side of the road before the flag pole. I dont remember the exact distance, but you shouldnt be able to miss the XJ's and the large camping area with porta potties.

[OddBallXJ]

Cottonwood Canyon is 5 miles S of US60 on SR79. Go east on Cottonwood Canyon about 4 miles (I'm guessing) and the group camping/event area will be on the left prior to reaching the 2nd cattle guard/flagpole. The flagpole that is being discussed above is at the SR79/Cottonwood Canyon turnoff. I will be out there on Wed night with my 5th wheel. Shouldn't miss the rig.

If anyone wants a phone # in case, pm me. I will also try to monitor CB4 and HAM 146.92 unless I'm not getting reception on .92, then I'll have to find a different machine to link to.

[longarmjpxj]

ok pefect man i can wait to wheel

[ashmanjeepxj]

H2H sounds like a long day for you guys even taking the bypasses. Its a (4.5+) trail. Id be worried about taking full boddied Xjs on 33s and stock axles through there. Its a long trial to get broke on.
http://www.wheelingarizona.com/forums/files/thumbs/t_h2h_ash2_619.jpg
http://www.wheelingarizona.com/forums/files/thumbs/t_ashman_h2h_4_113.jpg

Ajax extension (4.0+) would be a good trail to continue on through for the more built guys in the group.. easier and shorter then H2H

Extension has only two grnarly sections it was fun wet.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v16/arizonaxj/WAZ_07/Flexor.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v16/arizonaxj/WAZ_07/Aaron_1.jpg

Lower wood pecker (4.5) very short easy to be extraceted from
http://www.wheelingarizona.com/forums/files/thumbs/t_ashman_lw_1_103.jpg

upper wood the fire hole is bypassable
http://www.wheelingarizona.com/forums/files/thumbs/t_ashman_uw_1_198.jpg


Martinez canyon boulder field
http://www.wheelingarizona.com/forums/files/thumbs/t_dsc03415_925.jpg

there is some other optional stuff to play on there as well
http://www.wheelingarizona.com/forums/files/thumbs/t_dsc03419_croped_978.jpg


Good rules of thumb for a big group: dont rock stack, give it three tries then pull cable or your holding up the group, stay on the trail, have fun.

[mattyj]

Good rules of thumb for a big group: dont rock stack, give it three tries then pull cable or your holding up the group, stay on the trail, have fun.

Great rules for all trail days!!.... I wish these were always applied. :peace:


Liked what you said so much, i made it my sig.

[Mdub]

Great post Ashman. Welcome back to the board.

Totally agree about the comment about 33s + stock axles on H2H. I did Upper Ajax with 33s, stock axles, and no front locker. I needed a winch once and took one bypass. Probably shouldn't have been on that trail.

Only thing I'd say differently is that I don't remember Lower Woodpecker being nearly as tough as Upper Ajax. Maybe there are two lines (one on the right easier - left harder?)...my poor memory.

[x*BIGASSALEX*j]

So what is the schedule for trails, I will be arriving friday only what time will we leave...

[themud]

What time will the trail runs take off from camp at ??? 7am 8am whenever we get the hell up at a-pm??? Just trying to find out so I know what time to be out there at??
themud

[Mdub]

What time will the trail runs take off from camp at ??? 7am 8am whenever we get the hell up at a-pm??? Just trying to find out so I know what time to be out there at??
themud

Excellent question. I plan on arriving Friday around 10am. I bet we'll roll out around 10-11ish.

[themud]

Is that for every day or just fri and the weekend maybe I should just plan to show up around 9 and take my chances of missing the run on thursday??? I dont want to get there at 6 am and be the only one awake....
themud

[AZRockRunner]

Is that for every day or just fri and the weekend maybe I should just plan to show up around 9 and take my chances of missing the run on thursday??? I dont want to get there at 6 am and be the only one awake....
themud
we usually pull out around 830 or 0900 for the morning runs so you should be safe if you arrive at 0800 or 0830

[Jump This]

we usually pull out around 830 or 0900 for the morning runs so you should be safe if you arrive at 0800 or 0830

Being on the trail by 9am realy helps getting things going.
Waiting for people to show after that kinda' sucks docky balls!

:D

[corbinafly]

Being on the trail by 9am realy helps getting things going.
Waiting for people to show after that kinda' sucks docky balls!

:D
donkey Rick.

[GrimmJeeper]

donkey Rick. how do you know what kind of balls Rick likes to....nevermind



:cheers: