xball or 7 man?

[XJ_Vikings]

anyone on this forum play paintball, and i mean xball or maybe 7 man, none of this tippman woodsball nonsense, thats not what i consider real paintball. Its tough to balance a money pit of a jeep with a money pit of a sport.

[Gnat5680]

i play the woodsball and a little xball. i know alot about paintball my email address is paintballfreak. what do you want to know?

[Yucca-Man]

i know alot about paintball my email address is paintballfreak. Wow - does that email address work at any ol' domain? That's all I have to type in to the email??

Sounds AOLish to me, I say... :scottm:

[98XJSport]

thats not what i consider real paintball.

All paintball is real paintball. Just different aspects of the sport. Rock crawling and mudding, either way its jeepin.

I retired from 5 man tourneys my first year of college, just as x-ball was getting popular. Then my field closed, havent done much more than woodsball a time or 2 per year. Still got all my gear though, I miss the game.

[XJ_Vikings]

what do you want to know?

i dont need to know anything, just looking for others that play. I play college XBall for UCONN but havnt played at all this summer due to all my money going to my jeep. During the year were fully funded so ill get back into it then. If anyone gets CSTV you can watch us win the national championship against illinois.

[5-90]

No tounaments, but I play a little rec ball - mostly indoor (kinda like house-to-house clearing, I like that.)

I'm not a certified airsmith, but I can fix most other people's problems in the field. I use a VM-68 (lightly modified,) so I don't have a lot of trouble of my own...

5-90 AT naxja DOT org, or dragonland200 AT yahoo DOT com. What can I help you with?

5-90

[shortxjdoug]

used to play, stuck to local leagues though. i really like it but i couldn't find anyone to play in the woods under more realistic scenarios, and i couldn't foot the coin for ammo. if i ever get back into it i'm going pumpgun and never looking back, i played best when i put down the built autococker, and picked up a talon.

[5-90]

That's funny - my usual choice for field work is the VM and my old PGP (my first!) as a sidearm, in case I need something a little quicker than humanly possible...

Funny thing - my old VM (it's probably older than most kids I've played with...) works rather better than most Autocockers, Automags, Shockers, Angels, or other tricked-out whatever that cost more than everything I bring to the field - including gas, ammo, and clothes! Some of them probably cost more than the truck I drive to the game in (I paid $1500 for my 87, and $800 for my 88...)

5-90

[shortxjdoug]

That's funny - my usual choice for field work is the VM and my old PGP (my first!) as a sidearm, in case I need something a little quicker than humanly possible...

Funny thing - my old VM (it's probably older than most kids I've played with...) works rather better than most Autocockers, Automags, Shockers, Angels, or other tricked-out whatever that cost more than everything I bring to the field - including gas, ammo, and clothes! Some of them probably cost more than the truck I drive to the game in (I paid $1500 for my 87, and $800 for my 88...)

5-90

yeah i never felt comfortable with electronic markers too (and the automags were always bitchy), something reliable about all that air moving the autococker systems, it never let me down in the cold and the wet and the rain, i still love a good pumper though, it makes me thing about every shot, i used get people behind obstacles by threading the barrels all with a 12 dollar pumpgun

[5-90]

yeah i never felt comfortable with electronic markers too (and the automags were always bitchy), something reliable about all that air moving the autococker systems, it never let me down in the cold and the wet and the rain, i still love a good pumper though, it makes me thing about every shot, i used get people behind obstacles by threading the barrels all with a 12 dollar pumpgun

Yeah - I've also got a brace of Trracers (one accurised with laser dot sight, and two for "general use,") and they've come in handy on "open gun night" at various fields...

I still like my VM, tho - no need to upgrade there.

5-90

[XJ_Vikings]

dependability of electronic markers is all in how you maintain it. I shot a cocker a couple years ago and put far too much money into it. Once i wised up and got out of the woods i got an alias which i still have, along with an ego i bought about a year ago. Accuracy by volume, a laser sight isnt gonna do anything for you especially with the accuracy of the guns your talking about.

[Rev Den]

Ahhhh...the PGP...I still have and love mine. got the barrel extender and silencer, very dependable little marker. Just sold my Model 98 w/ceramic barrel cause I do not play anymore (injury...rather not talk about it). I kept the PGP for sentimental reasons....and cats.

Rev

[XJ_Vikings]

im comming into the conclusion that im alone amongst old school woodsballers

[5-90]

im comming into the conclusion that im alone amongst old school woodsballers

Not so much - I don't mind woodsball, but I find that indoor 'ball moves a little faster. Besides, I usually hide too good to get involved in woodsball...

The PGP I "had" (haven't seen it in a few years...) was basically stock - the only thing I got was the extended 12-gm quick-change knob. It wasn't a main marker, just a backup.

My VM has most of the goodies that could be had for it, including the BOA "Concealer" barrel (which really does work - you can't hear the thing past about 10 feet unless I suddenly run out of paint...)

Got a BOA Concealer for the accurised Trracer (now Maverick, I think) as well.

5-90

[XJ_Vikings]

we train indoor over the winter against some D1 and D2 teams and it has its ups and downs. Normally the fields are a lot narrower with tons of blind spots for lucky shots. Since its so damn loud inside it dos get you better at talking and listening to your team and coach though. All this talk is deffinatly making me miss the game

[98XJSport]

Some of the older markers were definately the most reliable. The new ones are all about maintenance and such. Definately the sports cars of the sport. I had a 2000 Autococker that was like that, when it worked, it was amazing, when it didn't, I spent half the day tinkering and half playing. Moved on to a 2000 Shocker, for it's day it was fast, now its not but I bought it for the reliability, consistancy, and simplicity. Electric definately helped being a back player though.

I always wanted to put my revvy on my old talon and buy the CA kit and play with my 90 ci on there. Just for the strange looks.

Anyone ever play with an old vector or p-68SC?

[5-90]

Some of the older markers were definately the most reliable. The new ones are all about maintenance and such. Definately the sports cars of the sport. I had a 2000 Autococker that was like that, when it worked, it was amazing, when it didn't, I spent half the day tinkering and half playing. Moved on to a 2000 Shocker, for it's day it was fast, now its not but I bought it for the reliability, consistancy, and simplicity. Electric definately helped being a back player though.

I always wanted to put my revvy on my old talon and buy the CA kit and play with my 90 ci on there. Just for the strange looks.

Anyone ever play with an old vector or p-68SC?

See? That's why I like the VM - feed it gas, feed it liquid, feet it N2 or CA - it just don't care. Feed it any damn paint you like - it won't chop a ball.

The main complaint is that it's heavier than the rest, but so what? Hump around an M4/M203, or an M14, or an M60 for a little while, and you just won't care (besides, I'm about twice the size of the people who complain the loudest... I carry more in my pockets than that every damn day!)

Now, what I'd like to find is an old SMG-68 - although the new MP5 "clone" markers (Tippmann, I think) are pretty cool as well...

5-90

[98XJSport]

If you care for the PGP then you'll love this one
http://airsoldier.com/~pgpog/brass/pmis/jackelsc.jpg

Ive always ignored the whiners, but then Ive always preferred the big guns. My "shoe box" is huge with a loved 12v revvy and a 90 hpa tank. But its as narrow as any other gun, so its not more than a target, and Im used to throwing around 12 guages or hunting rifles, the paintball gun is still lighter. Its usually the speedball purists that complain, those that think that woodsball isnt "worthy", but theres nothing better than taking 1 shot on a guy with a nice bright jersey from your spot in the trees.

[XJ_Vikings]

Some of the older markers were definately the most reliable. The new ones are all about maintenance and such. Definately the sports cars of the sport. I had a 2000 Autococker that was like that, when it worked, it was amazing, when it didn't, I spent half the day tinkering and half playing. Moved on to a 2000 Shocker, for it's day it was fast, now its not but I bought it for the reliability, consistancy, and simplicity. Electric definately helped being a back player though.

I always wanted to put my revvy on my old talon and buy the CA kit and play with my 90 ci on there. Just for the strange looks.

Anyone ever play with an old vector or p-68SC?

cockers are some of the most unreliable markers ever produced. The 2000 shocker just had all its bugs worked out, but its a Smart Parts product, in other words the Rustys of paintball. Ive had my Alias for 2 years now, not one problem and my Ego will be a year old in october, no problems with that yet either. You will blow up paint with older markers due to the high output psi and the lack of laser eyes. Cockers are blenders plain and simple. I hit 15 on my ego without blinking and i can get it to 18 if i give it a little effort. The trigger is scanned by a lazer 1,000,000 times per second to see if the trigger is pulled. If there is a ball partially in the breach the gun will not fire due to its lasers.

[xjcrawlr]

I play everthing I can, tourney, rec-ball, and woodsball. I also have different setups for each as well.
Tourney I use an '03 Dark Angel Speed, carbon peanut tank, Freak kit.
Rec-ball, I use an Impulse thats been upped to the hilt, 23 BPS.
Full Dye gear for both.
Woodsball I use an Ion with a Deadlywind tactical body, SAW stock, remote line, Furry vest, Spec-ops fusion gear.

[XJ_Vikings]

Rec-ball, I use an Impulse thats been upped to the hilt, 23 BPS.

hah sure, not even with insane bounce are you hitting anything close to that with an impy. Even if your LCD says that you are nowhere near it. Imps and cockers are the biggest money pits out there, but everyone should own one and make the mistake once.

[98XJSport]

cockers are some of the most unreliable markers ever produced. The 2000 shocker just had all its bugs worked out, but its a Smart Parts product, in other words the Rustys of paintball... You will blow up paint with older markers due to the high output psi and the lack of laser eyes. Cockers are blenders plain and simple.

Cockers are very reliable if set up properly. But if you are off at all, look out. Not unreliable. Just picky. And these days Smart Parts may be the lower end, back in 2000 they were on top. My specific marker was banned from tourneys (SF Turbo) because it was to fast and easy to maintain that rate of speed, 11bps. Nothing now, but back then...

And as far as blowing up paint... The shocker was one of the first "low pressure" markers out there. If memory serves me Im running below 300 psi easily. Low 200 I think, but without firing it up im not sure. Laser Eyes are PITAs as far as all around performance, or at least they were. Seen more eye markers not work because of paint shells being to light in color. My cocker, also if tuned right, would not chop. I tested it and had it denting paint and not breaking it, repeatedly on the same ball. Again, all in setup. The new bolt they put in mags were impressive, too. I worked on one in a mini, the owner would put his tounge in the breach and touch it off, couldn't even really feel it hit.

Those were the good old days. Talk about a sport with fast moving technology.

[XJ_Vikings]

yea, technology in paintball is deffinatly moving at lightspeed. Im not refering to the operating pressure of the marker but the output pressure that is being released on the ball. 300 is your operating pressure, a good outpur pressure like a timmy or an ego is about 60-70 psi on the ball. The smart parts eye is garbage, that is what was on the 2k shocker, the marker released before it went through nearly enough debugging. The newer eyeS are much better. Instead of one beam break you have 2 that talk to each other. The shocker also couldnt handle bright colored paint becase of this eye. I owned a 2k shocker for about a month then sold it as fast as i could. From what i hear they have fixed all the flaws but itll take a lot for be to shoot one again.

edit: not to mention you can turn off the eyes with the push of a button if something does happen

[98XJSport]

If I remember correctly, the shocker was not available with the eye until after 02? The impulse was, however. And you're right, generally sucked unless you had dark balls. Now thats an odd sentence when taken out of context.

And as far as operating pressure, you are correct that that's what it's running overall, its regulated down again for the bolt close pressure if I remember correctly. But Ive been out of the sport to long to remember exactly what. Not worth arguing over anyways, its definately a step up in the maintenance dept. from my cocker, thats all I cared about. And as long as it's not a mag. The only mag I would own would be an original e-mag, only because you can fire it non-electrically if you had to.

Edit: wait are you talking about the new shockers with the round bodies, not closed bolt, verticle feed? Or the old square ones with air assist, etc?

[XJ_Vikings]

the 2k shocker was the first non-shoebox shocker and it did come with an eye. Nice and light, compact but too many kinks in the design. Ive never shot a mag but ive seen a ton of them... waiting to be repaired. Ive been out of the sport since nationals in april, im sure a lot has changed even since then.

[dzolcali]

hehe I used to play some mad paintball...my advice is seven man if you got poor sponsors or no sponsorship and mad cash...or if you have good good sponsors, xball, or if your a millionare. Xball is very costly period.
btw, I used to play practice against and also play with members from baltimore trauma, mantis factory, gridlock, running wild, xsf, xsf kidz, the list can go on.

list of gats ;)
pink-gold faded tequila sunrise one of one-1500
blue to black 2k2 timmy souped up ;)
aced matrix
ego
dm3,dm4-dm5s all sponsor donated
proto matrix sponsor donated
custom built slide switch to lcd converted matrix
custom rainmaker
custom tribal
race gun cocker
fx sleeper cocker
e-blade cocker
spyders just random ass ones too
talons, stingray, tiger shark,
diablo pump
tippman a-5 with the mp5 package lol
impulse
custom milled impulse
shocker
etcc etc..

I love fiveman personally but seven is only two more than that. :)
xball is fun but way too pricey in my opinion

[98XJSport]

Actually it was the 03 that wasn't a shoebox. And could get an eye, and wasn't closed bolt. But not worth arguing about.

Thats exactly where I saw the mags, I was usually repairing them. I once saw a team of relative newbies with rental tippmans go up against a "hardcore" team of 4 mags and something else. All running c02, and the temps dropped to down near freezing towards the end of the day. Froze up every mag out there and the kids rolled right over them. Always nice to see the rich kids toys go down and the underdogs win. I truly miss the sport. Cool to see the college leagues now, saw some nppl on espn the other day, too. X-ball style.

[XJ_Vikings]

ah yea, it was the 03. Ive deffinatly been out of the game too long. The college league is deffinatly picking up with now over 255 schools involved.

[xjcrawlr]

Quote:
Originally Posted by xjcrawlr
Rec-ball, I use an Impulse thats been upped to the hilt, 23 BPS.


hah sure, not even with insane bounce are you hitting anything close to that with an impy. Even if your LCD says that you are nowhere near it. Imps and cockers are the biggest money pits out there, but everyone should own one and make the mistake once.


Really? Bold statment for someone that never seen, fired, nor inspected the intenals of my Impy. 23 bps is the max feed of the Halo (V board), and the chorno/shot counter at APD (local shop) doesnt lie. Dry fire, my Impy will hit 25. Come awnnn, if you know anything about paintball, it whats INSIDE the marker that counts! :moon:

[98XJSport]

Very true, I once modded the sear on a stingray to a very fast full auto. Couldn't feed it paint it was cycling to fast. This was pre warp feeds or halos
Did the same thing to a pro-lite. Very fast. Hell on a marker, though.

[dzolcali]

Yeah to the guy abou tthe impulse doing 23...I wouldn't debunk you about it, I've owned an imp that was capable of more....WAS 2.6 will def. help you with that...or any other type of aftermarket board. but Essentially, nobody is shooting past 15bps now, theres a cap in NPpl, psp, xball, cfoa, scfoa, etc...15bps, you can use full auto in xball in pro level I think unless they changed that...all others you can use ramp. It really levels the playing field.

and it's not whats inside the gun that counts, it's how good the player is, everyone knows that, I will take a talon and school anyone you know with a million dollars in their pockets just because I got 12 years of playing under my belt, most of it ametuer tournament, with trophies to back it. Woods ball is fun too though so anyone in the NC area looking for some real bitch smacking let me know cuase I got 20 bucks for a talon if I gotta go buy one.

[XJ_Vikings]

neither of your impys hit 23 bps, i dont care if god himself told you they did. The WAS board for the impy was the greatest scam ever delayed 2 years. Good job tho on their part, deffinatly made lots of kids with smart parts garbage think they had a good gun. As far as no one shooting over 15 pbs thats not true. To use full auto or 3 shot ramp you have to cap is at 15.3 but if you dont select that option you are uncapped.

12 years and only amateur tournaments? You must not be very good, or your just too afraid to play anything above squid ball.

it whats INSIDE the marker that counts! :moon:

Last i checked the board is inside the gun, so what are you talking about?

[dzolcali]

Umm just to let you know tyler humphry and lucian from Trauma played on our team at every tournament we went to for one of our seasons, I doubt they would have jumped on with a noobie...by the way, my imp that i had several years ago, did indeed hit 23+ over a chrono using a halo with a special board in it made by one of our own sponsors. They also made some pretty sweet boards for our protos and dm5's that allowed us to get a nice full auto off the break if we set the trigger in a sequence after the 10 second count down...Don't give me any noobie garbage about what you know about paintball sucka cause honestly I would like to know your credentials I can rip apart any gun they make and re-assemble it in less than a minute without a doubt, anything hands down, I have worked at a paintball shop, been paid to reff at tournaments and several fields as a weekend worker. I have teched guns, and played with the big dogs so seriously, don't put your foot in your mouth before you know what your talking about. And yes Jim from WAS is a douche bag...but the WAS board was not a bad product.

[dzolcali]

another thing I would like to add...pro paintball is very very hard to get into if you don't have a lot of money and time...both of which I don't have, between school, oh yeah I also played on our college paintball team as well...and had friends who played on the clemson college team as well too but that team is horrible. anyways, pro paintball isn't like you just play for a while and then your pro, you have to actually be able to travel and fly around to places and bend over backwards for your sponsors and in general be a puppet to your sponsors, so no I haven't went pro for various of reasons some of them being the above listed.

[junk90xj]

i usually just troll around here but to the idiot viking, you would get a bonus ball around here just for your know it all attitude. you need to quite reading so many magazines, it tends to get to your head apparantly.

you wont need to reply as im not here very often, idiot

[5-90]

How fast would you need to throw paint, anyhow? As long as it's "steel on target," one ball will work as well as ten.

Aimed single shots work well for me, it saves me from humping so many 'balls (a bad habit from before - ammo gets heavy...) and it's easier to keep up with my ammo count, I think.

I'd not mind getting a SMG-68 just for novelty value, but my VM serves for the most part. I do keep thinking about getting a Tippmann A-5, or maybe a A decent M4/M16 clone, and I'd like to update my sidearm (especially if I can find a Southpaw holster for the thing - I can modify it into a drop rig once I get one...)

5-90

[dzolcali]

vikings are nice guns, if you want to send them in to dan at aka to get them worked on...otherwise you void your warranty, isn't that correct I believe it is?

[dzolcali]

5-90, vm68's rule dude keep it alive. But I think the point of shooting a million balls a second is more for off the break so you can clip people going out to bunkers. My team uses a lull strategy, we don't even run to our bunkers off the break, stream paint and try to clip the back corners off, wait for the lull when everyone is settling in their bunkers, then break out to ours and shoot in if we hit out the corners, pinch the center guys and game over hang the flag. Works about 7 outta ten times, the other times you just gotta hustle to your bunker and then try to snap and bunker people as much as possible. Paintball is sweet I really miss playing but i've found other interest now.

[5-90]

Oh, I've got no intention of killing off my VM - having another SA marker would allow me to take the VM down for "indefinite periods" for experimentation. I'd like to score a couple of old VM's (maybe even unsalvageable due to mods) for analysis - even "destructive analysis" - for remanufacture and/or improvement.

I do tend to view these new "electronic" markers with disdain - you don't need electronic firearms, do you? I like to keep things simple where possible...

"Things should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler." Einstein.

5-90

[dzolcali]

truth, but electronics can be more efficient, think about cars in the same sense...you got timing and all that on a gun, couple some solenoids and actuators with electronics and computer adjustable settings, you can fine tune something to work exactly as you want it and save the settings to your gun. Then with a car you can tune it the same way with electronics and engine management software...I dunno I kinda like the technology, but I also like the bone simple stuff like a jeep xj, and a old school spyder or tippman you know. Ah well to each their own.

[XJ_Vikings]

clearly you do have some sick "credentials". I really dont care if ollie lang was your captain or that you know people on one of the worst teams in the NCPA. Clearly if you have one strategy that you use game in game out you have no idea what your doing. Delaying to your bunkers and snapping isnt gonna work against anyone with half a brain.

i dont tech any guns but my own, i have never cared much for the mechanical side of the sport, i often find people obsessed with that are the first ones out of the game on the chrono trying to fix their garbage. Give me a gun thats legal and can at least hit 10 and im content.

but after all that, contrary to what you might think i dont like to talk trash, id rather let me playing do the talking and im not afraid to admit when someone beats me strait up.

edit: so if your imp hits 23 congratulations, itd be the first one ive ever seen or heard of. Instead of spending my time making OTB modes and seeing how many arbitraty BPS i can hit im playing. until this summer when its been about 3 months since i suppose...

[dzolcali]

lol...dude eat a d*ck already. jesus. I owned an impulse some odd years ago...probably at least 3 years ago, thats a long time. As for playing with those guys...back when they were ranked in first..so don't be bashing on them. I'm sure you are content with a gun that shoots 10, and you probably don't like to work on guns etc...cause ya daddy and mommy buy all your stuff for you and when it breaks you probably just buy a new one...but for some of us, we take what we can get and when it breaks we upgrade it and make it faster...I've been outta paintball for 1.5 years now..thats some time for things to change but when I was in it, you better believe I was in it buddy and I like it when little smack talking hippies that been playing ball for a couple years and got a little team together that does ok, they always talk like you, and then I walk them around like my puppy and they follow me around at the field asking me questions and wondering why they can't be as good as that. So go ahead...keep talking cause you know everything viking. let me tell you something, else, I hold a very nice personal/team record of beating another team in five man in 11seconds. yes thats right, shot the entire team out off the break except one guy, I took the flag and bunkered the back center and hung it, in 11 seconds, I haven't seen anyone do less than that at a tournament the ref was astounded and told me the time, said our team had to have a record or something. That is how I roll...almost always but that time was extremely fast. Our strats work better than your strats thats why we didn't pay for a tournament, a hotel, a jersey, a gun, a jack daniels or a miller, because people wanted to see us whoop some ass. HOORAH

[dzolcali]

and this guy is in CT...what a douche last time I heard about some talent outta ct...wait I haven't

[XJ_Vikings]

damn son, you pegged me. Daddy buys my toys and i follow tools around the field all day. I go home yearning to be like you and hope to work my way up to amateur tournaments in 12 years. How about a 13 second game in the national championship this year that was sponsored by xbox and filmed for CSTV. I suppose 30,000 in funding is enough to buy all the stuff you mentioned and then some.

[XJ_Vikings]

well thats about as far as i go, ive had enough battling with a squid who thinks beating a bunch of kids with 98 customs is something to brag about.

[dzolcali]

lol....vikings...wow, national championships for what league? You any good at top gun? ever won any? 30,000 sounds like it could maybe buy our team trailor? LOL doubtful though cause then you gotta think about that nice ass air compressor inside that cost a bundle...and then the big rig that has to pull it to the tournaments. 12 years...not to work up to ametuer..just never went pro thats all buddy, don't read into it too much and quit having selective hearing. Xbox...what a great sponsor those people just now decide to sponsor an event, after how long has the sport been around. and I don't know what cstv is since I don't watch tv. What kinda gun you shoot viking? I preferred my tequila sunrise personally, it had the least kick out of all matrices I ever shot, and it was pretty darn accurate. do me a favor don't call me a squid, A. it's a dumb insult, B. makes no sense, C. lol did he just call me a squid?
heres a buncha cool flame words i just made up as insults
butt muffler
XXXX waffle
customer
viking user
tater tot
rod goblin
new skooler

I quit paintball I got nothing to prove :) just letting you know the facts before you go around running your mouth about what gun can shoot what when you don't even know what cps is.

[5-90]

truth, but electronics can be more efficient, think about cars in the same sense...you got timing and all that on a gun, couple some solenoids and actuators with electronics and computer adjustable settings, you can fine tune something to work exactly as you want it and save the settings to your gun. Then with a car you can tune it the same way with electronics and engine management software...I dunno I kinda like the technology, but I also like the bone simple stuff like a jeep xj, and a old school spyder or tippman you know. Ah well to each their own.

Maybe they are - and maybe they've made cars more efficient as well, but there's a point of diminishing returns in "efficiency increases" or general complication. I've certainly nothing against efficiency or reliability increases, but I don't see any reason to increase either at the expense of adding new expendables to the logistic train. Maybe that's an odd opinion, but it's mine, and I see no reason to change it (carburettors for fuel injection had a positive effect - but increasing the complexity of fuel injection is hitting that "point of diminshing returns" I mentioned. There's no need to get silly, I think.)

Besides, while I don't mind making a marker more efficient in its use of "gas" (be it cryo CO2, CO2 vapour, CA, or N2,) I just don't see any need to increase the cyclic rate of the marker - that's a novelty, and would get expensive in paint. You can spray down 10bps downrange, and I'll get off one every two or so - but I bet more of mine will find their targets, and I won't need to carry as much paint on the field that way. I had the "auto" option removed from my issue M4 for much the same reason - an M4 will cycle 500-600rpm, but I can take aimed shots at maybe two per second (with a little luck and target co-operation) and not have to carry as much ammo and make shots count more.

I'm not running down machine guns - they're much fun in their own merit - but if you've got to carry that ammo around, it does get heavy - and I see no need to expend my own shots just to keep the other guy's head down. The most effective way to silence an opposing firearm is simply to eliminate the man using it - and that's true in paintball, airsoft, and real life.

Oh - and "squid," as I'd first heard it, had nothing to do with the paintball field. I'd heard it living on a Navy base - and usually "Hey, squid!" was answered with "H'lo, airedale!" Sort of a friendly insult...

5-90

[98XJSport]

General rule for paintball, use 3 shots. Unless you are playing pump, or against newbs, that is. To much chance of a bounce to do any less. Any more and you are just playing spray and pray. Seen that happen many times, turns out there was nobody behind that tree. To bad your outta ammo now.

One of the reasons I slacked off with paintball is a lot of the attitude here in this thread. All the my gun is best it can do this, no it can't, Ive done this, I know so-and-so, better be afraid of me cause I rule BS. Ive been spanked by worse players than me. Ive schooled better players than me. Ive seen the almost impossible made possible. There are so many unknown variables in the sport, so much left to simple chance...

[dzolcali]

98xj, perfect response. I agree completely sorry for the cockiness I get sorta irritated with people sometimes because I like to play and have a good time but I have to deal with less experienced people always pulling my card outta the blue trying to teach me a thing or two when I know A LOT. Also, to 5-90, it's hard to shoot 1-2 rounds at someone when they are laying 10 rounds down stream at where you are trying to shoot from. Not saying you can't do it, but snapping from across field is hard to do, and running through ropes of paint is hard to do, so lets say i'm in a back bunker, and I got a front man in the bunker in front of you, I throw 10-15 rounds per second down stream at the edge of where you can come out at, and he runs downfield and bunkers you point blank...it may be a 1 for 1, or you may just get taken by surprise, chances are you will be out though. Thats just speedball...in the woods it's a whole different world seeing as high fire power gives away your position, hits a lot of brush and cost you money, makes you outta ammmo quick, etc...theres uses for everything in my opinion you just have to have the right scenario for it.

[xjcrawlr]

X10 on both responces!

Even though my markers are fast, (Viking, the world is bigger than CT) I only play using semi-auto mode. Call it a "self imposed limit" if you will. I have more fun, and use a WHOLE lot less paint that way.
The attitue that alot of young people in this sport have will be thier own undoing.The last time I played against a so-called "pro" team, ( just a bunch of rich kids from socal really) they were talking tons of thash before the game. Well....after most of them got bunkered, we won. As we were walking back to our cars, we saw some of them from across the parking lot shooting our cars with thier markers. :firedevil A quick call to sheriffs made for a long weekend for them:D
Now day's I'm very selective about who I play with/against. I'm too old to be baby sitting. :rattle:

[5-90]

General rule for paintball, use 3 shots. Unless you are playing pump, or against newbs, that is. To much chance of a bounce to do any less. Any more and you are just playing spray and pray. Seen that happen many times, turns out there was nobody behind that tree. To bad your outta ammo now.

One of the reasons I slacked off with paintball is a lot of the attitude here in this thread. All the my gun is best it can do this, no it can't, Ive done this, I know so-and-so, better be afraid of me cause I rule BS. Ive been spanked by worse players than me. Ive schooled better players than me. Ive seen the almost impossible made possible. There are so many unknown variables in the sport, so much left to simple chance...

Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Granted, that's usually overkill for most fields, but I have a habit of "making nice" with the refs so they know my little quirks - and my explanation to the kids? "Be glad I didn't use my M4." Two is one, one is none - I don't think I've ever gone on the field without a sidearm (my PGP,) and I also have a bad habit of carrying two (or more!) knives on a daily basis. Just funny that way.

If I don't see hands go up after the first hammer, I'll drop another one. "Double tap, and follow up as necessary..."

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[98XJSport]

Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. 5-90

Exactly. Unless you are playing against a bunch of 10 year olds, or very close quarters, getting shot twice isn't going to be any worse than once.

I tend to avoid the sidearms, mostly because Ive seen to many people go down messing with thier sidearms, trying to be cool. Not saying you are, just saw it a lot locally to turn me off to the idea. Plus its not uncommon for me to try and tag or surrender people out, wether or not I have ammo left. Won a tourny match like that once, kid didn't recognize that I was dry firing, and hit the ground. Good times.

I have the same bad habit with knives, either theres a few of them or they are questionably big. Kind of awkward last time I got pulled over and searched with like 4 of em on me. Fortunately I was going camping, had an excuse... :)

[XJ_Vikings]

I have the same bad habit with knives, either theres a few of them or they are questionably big. Kind of awkward last time I got pulled over and searched with like 4 of em on me. Fortunately I was going camping, had an excuse... :)

just got done talking to a friend who got community service and 9 months probation becasue his 7" fishing knife was within arms reach behind the passenger seat of his jeep and is considered "possession of a deadly weapon". The cops didnt really care that his parents got it for his as a graduation present and he had no idea it was illegal.

theres a kid at a field i used to play at that only used a sidearm for a couple of years, a splatmaster i think. Made him focus a lot more on moving without relying on throwing out paint. Once he finally got a matrix he was a great player. Like someone was saying a lit of young kids have mommy or daddy buy them 3k in markers and apparel before they ever learn how to play and they end up relying on the bps.

[98XJSport]

Exactly, they rely on the wall of paint they throw. Ive seen em mostly strip a tree of leaves. And they are the first to whine when they get shot twice for not calling themselves out fast enough.

And ironically they are the ones that get onto the speedball field and don't shoot enough. Quite funny really.

Up here they can only get you if the blade is more than 5 inches(I think) and concealed. Any bigger and its gotta be displayed. Of course depends on the mood of the cop...

[5-90]

Exactly. Unless you are playing against a bunch of 10 year olds, or very close quarters, getting shot twice isn't going to be any worse than once.

I tend to avoid the sidearms, mostly because Ive seen to many people go down messing with thier sidearms, trying to be cool. Not saying you are, just saw it a lot locally to turn me off to the idea. Plus its not uncommon for me to try and tag or surrender people out, wether or not I have ammo left. Won a tourny match like that once, kid didn't recognize that I was dry firing, and hit the ground. Good times.

I have the same bad habit with knives, either theres a few of them or they are questionably big. Kind of awkward last time I got pulled over and searched with like 4 of em on me. Fortunately I was going camping, had an excuse... :)

Nah, I don't "mess with" the thing - I keep it bone stock, dead reliable, and check it before a field day. I want to KNOW it's going to work if I need it in a hurry - I don't carry a sidearm for "cool" factor, never have.

Rule here is 4" an under folding can go in a pocket, over 4" folding has to go in a belt case. Fixed ALWAYS goes in a belt sheath (I'm referring to blade length, in case you were wondering...) My usual loadout?

Gerber Applegate/Fairbairn FS, either vertical on left hip or horizontal to my belt buckle's right
Benchmade/Emerson CQC7B/LH, left slash pocket
Benchmade Rescue Hook, left hip, behind the Gerber
Gerber Multi-Plier 600DET, somewhere to the right (don't usually need that one in a hurry, I'm left-handed.)

The Applegate/Fairbairn FS sometimes alternates duty with a 3/4-size version of itself, or I'll replace the Emerson with the smaller Gerber. I bought the smallest version (a little over half the size) for my wife in answer to "Why do you always carry a knife?" Since she was genuinely curious, it seemed to be the best answer. Hers sometimes alternates duty with a Gerber LTR I bought for her 'way back when.

I had to stop carrying balisong blades (butterfly knives) because it's illegal for some deranged reason out here. Ditto a "spear point" blade sharpened on both sides, or anything considered a "stiletto." (Could someone explain the others to me? I can sorta understand the stiletto - it was designed to go through chainmail and the like years ago, and will also go through most ballistic armour...) Switchblades I've never bothered with, and I'm still not sure about the legality of throwing knives (I know shuriken are illegal out here, and I don't really understand the reason for that, either.)

"There are no dangerous weapons. Only dangerous men. My goal is to make you as dangerous as possible, whether you have something in your hands or not. So long as you have brain function and one hand or foot free, you will be dangerous." (Shiu Sifu Chiu, my Kung Fu instructor years ago. He didn't believe in "tournament fighting" - you were either fighting for your life, or it wasn't worth fighting for. God Bless and Keep that man!)

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[XJ_Vikings]

As far as the cool factor of the sidearm, this kid would recite Dirty Hairy quotes as he was bunkering kids. ill probably botch it up but its the "i shot xx you shot xx, so youve gotta ask yourself, do you feel lucky punk?" From what i saw, when he got to about "...you shot..." he was covered in paint.

The cops were State police at UConn a few months ago, it was 4am and we were driving to get wings because they stopped delivering. Neither of us had been drinking, we were just up late with our friend who was about to go to Iraq. If i worked 10pm to 6am at a university i would probably have a chip on my shoulder too. They busted his balls to no end.

[5-90]

As far as the cool factor of the sidearm, this kid would recite Dirty Hairy quotes as he was bunkering kids. ill probably botch it up but its the "i shot xx you shot xx, so youve gotta ask yourself, do you feel lucky punk?" From what i saw, when he got to about "...you shot..." he was covered in paint.

Now that's just stupid. I don't use my sidearm at all to be cool - I use it to cover up a major malfunction that I need more than two seconds to correct. With careful aim, you'd be surprised how far 10 'balls can go, and you can set the thing down within arm's reach (in a scenario game) and fix your primary marker, if you can buy the two minutes it takes (usually. I LOVE my VM!)

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