Off Road Adventures...

[Stang5lgt]

Ok I hate to complain about a free mag but I am about sick of this rag. I started noticing over the last year the increase in amount of Toyotas in the mag. First I just thought it was hype since the new FJ came out. But FJ has to be one of most girly looking ugly 4x4s I have ever seen. There is only a handfull of people making aftermarket for Toyota compared to Jeeps and other Domestics. But yet the mag had 30 pages (in newest issue) of with pics of Toyotas out of 100 pages. They sent me notice this was my last issue a couple months ago. I was so happy but it is still coming. :bawl:4 wheel parts needs to change the name to Toyota Off Road Adventures.

[jragan]

For free what do you expect. Another piece of junk mail for the most part.

[riverfever]

Perhaps they've done some market research into who is buying product from their company and maybe that research indicates that a large portion of their money comes from Toyoyta owners? I've never heard anyone on this board encourage people to shop there for Jeep merchandise. If this is the case...it makes perfect sense to me. Cater to the market that supports your business? :confused:

[Stang5lgt]

I just think Toyota funnels money there way. I don't think they sell that much Toyota stuff. Jap company figures if people see enough pics of the hideous FJ wheeling maybe people will buy them. Only people I see driving them are women. I wouldn't be caught dead in one. Now they are starting do alot write ups on the new Tundra. Like anyone is going to lift one of those??? Only people I see driving the new Tundras are old men and Yuppies. I saw a new Tundra broke down on I225 last Sat morning. I was like amazed. I am very anti Toyota right now because of all the Hybrids they are building. My dad bought one I wanted to disown him.

I know I will have the last laugh. When people stop buying them. And his new highlander isn't worth crap.

[riverfever]

That's exactly my point. IF Toyota is "funneling money" their way, then why wouldn't they showcase them the most in their publication? If it was me, I sure wouldn't showcase a vehicle that isn't made anymore when I have a company giving me money (if that is, in fact, what's happening).

Personally, I like the new Tundras. It's on my list of possibilities after grad school. I'm not old and, according to my bank account, I'm definitely no yuppie. But, then again, I also wouldn't mind heated leather seats and I love my GPS and creature comforts and I've been called a pu$$y for that before.

Just curious...in this day and age...why would you be unhappy with a company investing more into hybrid technology? It's good for the environment that you and I enjoy exploring in our SUV's. I mean...I don't think I'd buy a hybrid myself (although I really haven't researched them...I probably should so my raise after grad school seems bigger).

I guess I just don't get arguments like this. I don't like dually pick ups or bait casters. I don't have to like them. I don't have any need for either. I also don't live 40 miles from work where it would be nice to have something that got 45ish miles to the gallon.

[YELLAHEEP]

I don't like dually pick ups.

Bring that point of view over here punk............. http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/images/smilies/fawkdance.gif

[riverfever]

Bring that point of view over here punk............. http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/images/smilies/fawkdance.gif

Ya know somethin'....I sat here and discussed with Heather for 5 minutes what I could use as an example and NOT step on someones toes.

I got nothin' but love for ya Bossman. And your house of heeps. :D

Hey I meant to ask you something the other day. Can I borrow your truck next week so I can pick up a load of manure? Questions...concerns?

[Stang5lgt]

Hybrids good the enviroment my a$$!! It takes 50% more energy to make a Prius then it takes to make H1 Hummer. The plant that mines and smelts the nickel for the batteries has 5 mile radius with no life. NASA test the moon rover there. So if there is no life near the plant imagine the life that is near the plant that survives. Then when you battery takes a dump in your hybrid that is destorying the planet what do you have. A toxic pile of waste. Acid in those giant batteries can eat your skin off. I don't think I want Bambi licking the stream when someone gets into accident and crap spills all over the road. Yeah they save gas but big deal when a new battery is 5000 bucks. I can buy alot gas for 5k. Internal combustion engine is where it is at. We need to work on new fuels not crappy hybrids. Also if you have hybrid your mileage on the hwy is the same as Civic or worse. Only time they save gas is sitting in traffic or driving in town. I could go on for hours.
That is why I would not buy a Toyota they just spent 7 billion on hybrid tech. When they start putting the facts in the brochure with pic of Nickel plant then I will start liking them alot more. Bunch of blind tree huggers who don't look at the facts and run out and buy a gimmick. If you want to help envi go plant a tree. Or pick up some trash off the side of the road.
One more thing Dualies rock!!

[Stang5lgt]

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N29332314.htm
Here is story about the great new Tundras and there crap engines.

[riverfever]

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N29332314.htm
Here is story about the great new Tundras and there crap engines.

Dude...this kinda sh!t happens all the time with new vehicles. Are you serious?

Like I said, I have not researched hybrids. I'd love to see some data supporting what you've hinted at with regard to their production.

I still say...if you don't like Toyotas...don't buy one. My girlfriends pumps look uncomfortable and completely impractical for what I do (unless I'm street-side) so I don't wear them. I just get tired of hearing about what other people don't like (be it vehicles, gay rights or fruit juice) when it honestly doesn't remotely effect their day to day life. But...that's when I need to point the finger at myself in blame for I am the one reading it ya know? :cheers:

[Stang5lgt]

http://www.caranddriver.com/dailyautoinsider/10871/doubts-cast-on-hybrid-efficiency.html

[Stang5lgt]

http://clubs.ccsu.edu/Recorder/editorial/editorial_item.asp?NewsID=188

[Stang5lgt]

There is couple news clippings to read.

[Stang5lgt]

Dude...this kinda sh!t happens all the time with new vehicles. Are you serious?

Like I said, I have not researched hybrids. I'd love to see some data supporting what you've hinted at with regard to their production.

I still say...if you don't like Toyotas...don't buy one. My girlfriends pumps look uncomfortable and completely impractical for what I do (unless I'm street-side) so I don't wear them. I just get tired of hearing about what other people don't like (be it vehicles, gay rights or fruit juice) when it honestly doesn't remotely effect their day to day life. But...that's when I need to point the finger at myself in blame for I am the one reading it ya know? :cheers: Doesn't happen with Toyotas they are the best.:laugh2:

[riverfever]

Stang...what's the poop on the batteries cuz now I'm intrigued and tired of eating cake. Toyota says the batteries used in the 2000 Prius (which looks butt ugly...I'll give ya that) is designed to last 150-200,000miles and they claim they haven't replaced one for wear and tear yet.

They also say the batteries they use are Nickel metal hydride (non-benign) not the rechargable Nickel Cadmium ones found in other vehicles. Supposedly, they put a phone number on each battery and there's a $200 bounty for each one to ensure it is recycled appropriately. (Now Troy will start having a second lot full of Prius' for the batteries.)

They say they have plans for a hybrid dually. Now THAT would be cool. :D

[Kittrell]

They say they have plans for a hybrid dually. Now THAT would be cool. :D

I'd like to know what they plan on putting under the hood..............:gag:

[riverfever]

http://clubs.ccsu.edu/Recorder/editorial/editorial_item.asp?NewsID=188

This one was good as it relates to the Prius. I guess the issue with the batteries is just the simple fact that it uses Nickel then? OK.

I still say you're being nitpicky (IMO) on the Tundra cam issue though but you've gained some ground with the Prius argument. I'm sure there have been loads of recalls or issues with many domestic vehicles. You're just not down with Toyota and that's fine.

[riverfever]

I'd like to know what they plan on putting under the hood..............:gag:

Oh God....you're here. :D

Hey...I gotta go get more cake.

[Stang5lgt]

I don't think I would take Toyotas word on anything. The Prius was built to be Hybrid. The new Hybrids have been converted from gas to gas/elec. Those are cars I am waiting to see how long they last. They are heavier and take alot more juice to run. Most people who can afford a Prius or any Hybrid can afford to take care of the service costs. So chances are they will last a long time. Now if some poor a$$ like myself bought one I could not afford the service. So the battery would take dump sooner. Nickel is Nickel doesn't matter what you mix it with still toxic.

[Stang5lgt]

Like I said Toyota never bothered me until the Hybrids came out. Now I don't like anything Toyota. If they would start making there cars E85. Then they would gain some respect back.

[riverfever]

I don't think I would take Toyotas word on anything. The Prius was built to be Hybrid. The new Hybrids have been converted from gas to gas/elec. Those are cars I am waiting to see how long they last. They are heavier and take alot more juice to run. Most people who can afford a Prius or any Hybrid can afford to take care of the service costs. So chances are they will last a long time. Now if some poor a$$ like myself bought one I could not afford the service. So the battery would take dump sooner. Nickel is Nickel doesn't matter what you mix it with still toxic.

That makes perfect sense.

I did see that the Scion was something like .48 cents a mile. That ugly square box just made the list.

[Stang5lgt]

Yeah Toyota make some Cheap cars to own. I won't argue that.

[Stumpalump]

Just pawed thru my latest January edition and noticed an article on oil and filters. It shows a cutaway of a K&N oil filter and they are suposed to be one of the, if not the best oill filter. Well a ways back I met a factory K&N rep and he told me that the filter material was the excact same filter as Mobil One oil filters. He basically told me that unless you need the extra thick can for high oil pressure or the drilled nut on the end for safty wire then just use a Mobil One filter. They really are good and on a DD you will notice that the oil stays clear and clean a lot longer than with a regular filter.

[landmark]

Through a study by CNW Marketing called “Dust to Dust,” the total combined energy is taken from all the electrical, fuel, transportation, materials (metal, plastic, etc) and hundreds of other factors over the expected lifetime of a vehicle. The Prius costs an average of $3.25 per mile driven over a lifetime of 100,000 miles - the expected lifespan of the Hybrid.
The Hummer, on the other hand, costs a more fiscal $1.95 per mile to put on the road over an expected lifetime of 300,000 miles. That means the Hummer will last three times longer than a Prius and use less combined energy doing it.

I might be way off base here, but does anyone else think that it is a bad assumption that a Hummer will last 300,000 miles, whereas a prius will only last 100,000 miles? Realisticly, how many GM cars do you think are on the road today with 300,000 miles? I'm guessing the figures would be a little more even handed if their initial assumptions were aligned closer to reality...at least that is what stood out to me when I read the article. It was shocking to hear about the massive amounts of toxic waste the hybrids gererate, though.

[riverfever]

I was a little thrown off when Stang busted out all those articles backing up his claims. Interesting reading for sure. As to the Hummer lasting 300,000 miles...who knows. All I know is that I used to see those Toyota pickup commercials when I was younger and they all made 300,000 miles seem like it was just gettin' broken in. Now Stang is trying to say they're crap. I just understand why Toyota would advertise it if it wasn't true? I bet those new Tundra motors keep on tickin' after they take care of the cam issue. :D

Oh what a feeling!

[Stang5lgt]

Alls I have to say is Proud to be American like my Jeeps, F250, and Mustang.

[scottmcneal]

Where was your f_250 made?????? An your pu tang???????? CANaDA.......Even my 1973 f 250 has alot of canada parts on it....If not canada then MEXico............ MY 2 cents

[Stang5lgt]

I might be way off base here, but does anyone else think that it is a bad assumption that a Hummer will last 300,000 miles, whereas a prius will only last 100,000 miles? Realisticly, how many GM cars do you think are on the road today with 300,000 miles? I'm guessing the figures would be a little more even handed if their initial assumptions were aligned closer to reality...at least that is what stood out to me when I read the article. It was shocking to hear about the massive amounts of toxic waste the hybrids gererate, though.

What would make you think a Hummer would not last 300,000 miles? They have full frame and heavy duty suspension parts. More likely people couldn't afford to put gas in them to get them to 300,000 miles. Hummer is going to collector item like a CJ or Wrangler. Do you think people are going to collect Prius cars? Only reason I would collect them is to crush them so I don't have to look at those ugly door stops anymore. :rof:

[Stang5lgt]

Where was your f_250 made?????? An your pu tang???????? CANaDA.......Even my 1973 f 250 has alot of canada parts on it....If not canada then MEXico............ MY 2 cents Truck was made in Kentucky. Car was made in Alabama. Any more questions? Canada is still part of America last time I checked. So is Mexico. Just look out your window prob a Mexican driving by now.

[WB9YZU]

The simple fact is we don't make an economical to buy or own vehicle in the US. The big three has us brainwashed into thinking that if we don't have atleast 180-225 hp under the hood, and enough room in the truck to hide the entire contents of your average kitchen, including any missbegotten cakes ;) that we own a peice of poo.

I looked at the Yaris. Cheap, not bad fuel milage, and even the tires would be cheap to replace on a regular basis. Seems to me that at 35mpg, and a sticker of $10.5K that's something folks could get into if they wanted an affordable car.

Fords offering, the Focus, is kinda expensive at $14K, though it also gets 35mpg.

I looked into pickups a bit. I hate to admit it, but that Colorado that I drive for work, with a 5cylinder engine, gets OK milage for a pickup (25 hwy, 18 city), but at $16K it's not real cheap to buy, or a real winner in the fuel milage department. I used to own a B2000 back in 86, and it got 28-32 hwy. I would have thought they would have made improvements since then.

I know we have drifted a bit from the original post...
My only response to the original post is: The mag is FREE, deal with it, or stop reading it.

As far as the Toyota vs US manufactured vehicles...
Toyota employs folks in the US also. With 13 US manufacting plants, and 30K employed US citizens, I don't think that's a problem and I would bet those folks don't either.
http://www.toyota.com/about/our_business/operations/manufacturing/index.html

Ron

[scottmcneal]

An a toy is MADE where????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????

[WB9YZU]

Canada is still part of America last time I checked.

EH?

Mcneal has some valid points. All of the Fords I have owned have either had International parts, or in one case, the assembly line was in Canada (77' F250).

[Stang5lgt]

The simple fact is we don't make an economical to buy or own vehicle in the US. The big three has us brainwashed into thinking that if we don't have atleast 180-225 hp under the hood, and enough room in the truck to hide the entire contents of your average kitchen, including any missbegotten cakes ;) that we own a peice of poo.

I looked at the Yaris. Cheap, not bad fuel milage, and even the tires would be cheap to replace on a regular basis. Seems to me that at 35mpg, and a sticker of $10.5K that's something folks could get into if they wanted an affordable car.

Fords offering, the Focus, is kinda expensive at $14K, though it also gets 35mpg.

I looked into pickups a bit. I hate to admit it, but that Colorado that I drive for work, with a 5cylinder engine, gets OK milage for a pickup (25 hwy, 18 city), but at $16K it's not real cheap to buy, or a real winner in the fuel milage department. I used to own a B2000 back in 86, and it got 28-32 hwy. I would have thought they would have made improvements since then.

I know we have drifted a bit from the original post...
My only response to the original post is: The mag is FREE, deal with it, or stop reading it.

As far as the Toyota vs US manufactured vehicles...
Toyota employs folks in the US also. With 13 US manufacting plants, and 30K employed US citizens, I don't think that's a problem and I would bet those folks don't either.
http://www.toyota.com/about/our_business/operations/manufacturing/index.html

Ron Ford let 30k jobs go last year. So you are not winning any ground with me. They had to let those jobs go because of lose of sales to foreign makers. It saves Toyota money to employ Americans since they sell so many Camrys here. Less shipping costs. Plus easy to market a car that is made here. Truth is money goes over seas. How many of those workers are UAW? None. Everytime you buy something made somewhere else you are selling our country to another country. Look at the deficit. That is from buying more then we sell. And when you want to bad mouth our own countrys car companys cause they buy parts from over seas. Don't blame them they don't have much of choice keep car prices down they have to have cheap parts. It some fat cat politic that gets his pockets lined by opening the borders up for more cheap goods. Used to be Wal-mart sold alot made USA stuff. Until Sam Walton died then that changed real quick.

If you don't like american and think they are junk and expensive then buy foriegn. Just don't complain when China takes over the country cause they already own it.

[scottmcneal]

Sorry, i think mexico will win this one. (taking over )

[Stang5lgt]

Sorry, i think mexico will win this one. (taking over ) Maybe with people but China will own all the land. :spin3:

[scottmcneal]

No chit, thats been going on for years.....

[WB9YZU]

Ford let 30k jobs go last year. So you are not winning any ground with me. They had to let those jobs go because of lose of sales to foreign makers. It saves Toyota money to employ Americans since they sell so many Camrys here. Less shipping costs. Plus easy to market a car that is made here. Truth is money goes over seas. How many of those workers are UAW? None. Everytime you buy something made somewhere else you are selling our country to another country. Look at the deficit. That is from buying more then we sell. And when you want to bad mouth our own countrys car companys cause they buy parts from over seas. Don't blame them they don't have much of choice keep car prices down they have to have cheap parts. It some fat cat politic that gets his pockets lined by opening the borders up for more cheap goods. Used to be Wal-mart sold alot made USA stuff. Until Sam Walton died then that changed real quick.

If you don't like american and think they are junk and expensive then buy foriegn. Just don't complain when China takes over the country cause they already own it.

I didn't say I wanted to "win ground" with you.
Just giving you facts about the cars and trucks I have looked at appears to you to be "badmouthing American Car companies".
I never said they were junk. I stated fuel milage figures.

No Toyota does not contract with the UAW, but that does not mean those people are not well paid, and have good benefits. And that's what matters. Employees, on US soil, getting paid to do work so they can raise families and grow their communities.

We now live in a world economy. US companies are all over the world exploiting other nations labor and resources. Do you see those folks complaining? No.
So other companies are coming to the US to build and grow <shrug>. As long as they employ Americans and pay a wage that is comparable to what folks are used to getting paid, and provide good bennys, who are you to complain?

You should tone it down a bit. Your overzelous attitude of "Buy American or you are a Traitor" will get you exactly nowhere. That BS of calling someone a Traitor if they do not agree with your point of view will die with the Bush administration.

The truth, which appears very hard for you to swallow, is that not even cars manufactured by Ford, GM or Chrysler are made of parts manufactured here in the US. Ford, GM and Chrysler own or have a large stake in a number of foriegn manufactures, like Mazda, Jag, Mitsubishi. And to boot, many cars sold by Ford, GM and Chrysler are not even assembled in the US.

You need a break. Go have a soda :D

Ron

[riverfever]

Alls I have to say is Proud to be American like my Jeeps, F250, and Mustang.

I know man...I was just bein' an a$$.

[Stang5lgt]

I didn't say I wanted to "win ground" with you.
Just giving you facts about the cars and trucks I have looked at appears to you to be "badmouthing American Car companies".
I never said they were junk. I stated fuel milage figures.

No Toyota does not contract with the UAW, but that does not mean those people are not well paid, and have good benefits. And that's what matters. Employees, on US soil, getting paid to do work so they can raise families and grow their communities.

We now live in a world economy. US companies are all over the world exploiting other nations labor and resources. Do you see those folks complaining? No.
So other companies are coming to the US to build and grow <shrug>. As long as they employ Americans and pay a wage that is comparable to what folks are used to getting paid, and provide good bennys, who are you to complain?

You should tone it down a bit. Your overzelous attitude of "Buy American or you are a Traitor" will get you exactly nowhere. That BS of calling someone a Traitor if they do not agree with your point of view will die with the Bush administration.

The truth, which appears very hard for you to swallow, is that not even cars manufactured by Ford, GM or Chrysler are made of parts manufactured here in the US. Ford, GM and Chrysler own or have a large stake in a number of foriegn manufactures, like Mazda, Jag, Mitsubishi. And to boot, many cars sold by Ford, GM and Chrysler are not even assembled in the US.

You need a break. Go have a soda :D

RonNot saying we should stop buying foreign goods. I know that is not going to happen. I know it is world econ now. We selling Heavy machine overseas like crazy. John Deere, Cat, and Case and been selling like gang busters overseas. I just think we need to slow down on the foreign buying if can help it. We are so far ahead of Japan , China , and any other country it is not even funny. That is why we design they build it. I just guess I have hard time forgeting what Japan did in WWII. I grew up not knowing anything about WWII even though my Grandpa fought in the War. But Japan decides to attack us since we were giving weapons and aid to China. So we have to go over kick Japans butt. So decided I didn't want support a country that would attack us with tech we sold them. Even it was over 60 years ago. I never called you a traitor. Bush admin started back during the first Bush. And continued through the Clinton years. It has been slow process of world econ to world gov is the next step. Look at what the UN is upto. Sea treaty. Would put the UN in control of all open waters. That would mean we would have to get permission to move our Navy around. I don't like the idea of a world econ. Do you think anyone would have bought Jap cars after WWII?? What changed that made us think it was ok?

[Crash_AF]

One of my instructors has a hybrid (I think it's a Prius) and the battery failed on it while it was still under warranty. The battery was $3400 and has a 7 year warranty on it.

Oh, and I have a 1996 1 ton Ford Club Wagon with 210K miles on it and I have every intention of it going over 300k.

Later

[Stang5lgt]

I was wrong my Mustang was built in Dearborn MI

[WB9YZU]

Not saying we should stop buying foreign goods. I know that is not going to happen. I know it is world econ now. We selling Heavy machine overseas like crazy. John Deere, Cat, and Case and been selling like gang busters overseas. I just think we need to slow down on the foreign buying if can help it. We are so far ahead of Japan , China , and any other country it is not even funny. That is why we design they build it. I just guess I have hard time forgeting what Japan did in WWII. I grew up not knowing anything about WWII even though my Grandpa fought in the War. But Japan decides to attack us since we were giving weapons and aid to China. So we have to go over kick Japans butt. So decided I didn't want support a country that would attack us with tech we sold them. Even it was over 60 years ago. I never called you a traitor. Bush admin started back during the first Bush. And continued through the Clinton years. It has been slow process of world econ to world gov is the next step. Look at what the UN is upto. Sea treaty. Would put the UN in control of all open waters. That would mean we would have to get permission to move our Navy around. I don't like the idea of a world econ. Do you think anyone would have bought Jap cars after WWII?? What changed that made us think it was ok?

I would submit that when you tell someone Everytime you buy something made somewhere else you are selling our country to another country you are infact saying Buy American or you are a Traitor.

I would suggest you read up on the Japanese Oil Embargo of 1940.
And I truely recomend you investigate who exactly it was that invested heavily and rebuilt Japan after the war and to what extent the US played in both those activities.

Again you are wrong about being so far ahead of Japan. Japan is not a 3rd world country. The latest technology hits the streets of Tokyo months before it hits the streets of New York, if it makes it there at all. General Dynamics and Mitsubishi co- designed an aircraft for the Japanese AF, it is the F-2 and is a derivative of the F-16. Both sides were enriched by the venture.

There have been 2 separate and distinct Bush Administrations. Geo Sr, and Geo Jr.
The Clinton Administration more like a second breath of fresh air. He was popular, well spoken, and fun. He also left office with a projected federal budget surplus. Something that neither Bush administration can ever hope to claim.

The law of the Sea treaty:
1st: Don't be such an alarmist. 2nd. Remember who started the UN and where the UN headquarters is. 3rd. We have not ratified anything.

Ron

[Stang5lgt]

USA is #1!!! Maybe that is a bad thing to you??? I don't agree with you at all nor do I care. I was just complaining about mag I don't want. That keeps coming to my house full of Toyotas. And they won't take me off there mailing list.

[WB9YZU]

USA is #1!!! Maybe that is a bad thing to you??? I don't agree with you at all nor do I care. I was just complaining about mag I don't want. That keeps coming to my house full of Toyotas. And they won't take me off there mailing list.

I see, when you have no knowledgable come back, you come back with the "If you don't agree with me, you must be a traitor" attitude. LOL!

As far as the rag goes. Call them and demand that they take you off their mailing list.
Tell them that if they don't, you will sue their USA hating azzes 'till they can't print a flyer on toilet paper -LOL! That should scare them into taking you off their list! ROFLMAO!

Ron

[Stang5lgt]

Why should I have a come back when you dont agree with anything anyway? I am not going to waste my time and typing with you anymore. This will go on forever if I keep posting so I will leave it at that.