21 arrested......

[jeepinxj01]

Here's one link to the Nation's top headline. What do you guys think? Fire away.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,207682,00.html :flame:

[88JeepXJ]

I think we almost had another 911 on our hands...unimaginable really...

[RichP]

And meanwhile we're sending border patrol agents to prision for enforcing the law then taking the word of known drug smuggler they shot in the ass to convict them. Man, we need a house cleaning bad...

[XJ Dreamin']

I think this is a good time to start speculating.

1) The liquids angle. Are the components of binary explosives detectable by explosive sniffer/back-scatter equipment? How easy do you think it would be to take the A and B components aboard separately, and then combine them in-flight?

2) 21 arrested. How many have they missed?

3) Note to self. Cancel trip to Leads Armory Museum.

[RedHeep]

1) The liquids angle. Are the components of binary explosives detectable by explosive sniffer/back-scatter equipment? How easy do you think it would be to take the A and B components aboard separately, and then combine them in-flight?

I took two "Uno-Vac" stainless steel thermos back home with me in my checked baggage. I don't think anyone would have said anything to me if they were in my carryon. They hold at least a quart of liquid apiece. Scary thought.

[jeepinxj01]

2) 21 arrested. How many have they missed?


That's the scary part to me. We/They will never catch all of them. When one or 21 for that matter fall, there's more to take their place. It's a viscious cycle that I'm afraid won't end in my lifetime.

[flexjay87]

gee i hope they treat these guys nice, and protect their "international " rights, they probably are just misunderstood militia men like "sleezbollah", NOT!!! just shoot the martha fockers and be done with it. on a side note, when we pull out of iraq, won't iran and the rest of the teerorists be happy. oh and while i'm at it, giving the sleezbollah credit for doing some sort of quazzii(not sure how to spell that) local humanitarin work, is like giving cudo's to the mafia for giving away a spaghetti dinner, all the while kiiling a few guys a block away. derr........ and yes i agree we almost had another 911, but that is normal thinkin for the run of the mill terrorists these days. although, blowing up a few planes, without taking out several blocks of buildings is a step backwards isn't it? i feel so bad for their setbacks, morons.....

[yardape]

European countries are much better at the security business than we Americans are. They've been at it alot longer. I had a friend years ago BEFORE 911 visit antoher friend in Rota for several months. When she arrived so did the police wherein she was questioned as to what she was doing there and how long she was planning to stay. Halfway through her visit they came back to ensure that she was still there and they came back one more time to ensure that she had left as promised. Pretty thorough if you ask me. On the other hand I imagine most Americans would consider this kind of security invasive and unconstitutional.

[MENEZES]

Scary. My father and I have already talked, if we are on a plane and suspicous acts from any muslim(s) we are gonna do wat we can to alert plane personel and maybe take matters into our own hands....I have nothing against Muslims, just the ones that wanna blow everyone up. I would be ready to do my duty as an American and if that means to sacrifice myself to save thousands more people, im game.

[muduck18]

On the other hand I imagine most Americans would consider this kind of security invasive and unconstitutional.

Damn straight

Even when they fail terrorists are taking our freedom away.

:flame:hot topic with me...
Liberty or Death.
How ever mis-used or mis-quoted that phrase is.... it is high time our country gets hold of the concept again.

just shoot the martha fockers and be done with it

We are... think news of war in iraq.

When one or 21 for that matter fall, there's more to take their place. It's a viscious cycle that I'm afraid won't end in my lifetime.
But when 21 fall there are 21 less. and at least 21 families that are under survelance.

:smsoap: sorry I will stop ranting for now. but will feel this way forever...

[muduck18]

Scary. My father and I have already talked, if we are on a plane and suspicous acts from any muslim(s) we are gonna do wat we can to alert plane personel and maybe take matters into our own hands....I have nothing against Muslims, just the ones that wanna blow everyone up. I would be ready to do my duty as an American and if that means to sacrifice myself to save thousands more people, im game.

Be less afraid of muslims that look like muslims. they are being watched and they know it.. be afraid of the people who don't look like muslims but are...

did you ever see flightplan?

[MENEZES]

no, i heard it was good and it prolly goes hand in hand with what i said? Its super tough to distinguish radicals from not. Since u put it that way, im not really sure now.....makes it even more scary.

[RTicUL8]

Yea, but 8 out of 11 of their terroist buddies are still on the loose in the US:

http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel06/egyptianstudents080906.htm

I think they should post pics, so we can go on a turkey shoot!


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[jeepinxj01]

Yea, but 8 out of 11 of their terroist buddies are still on the loose in the US:

http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel06/egyptianstudents080906.htm

I think they should post pics, so we can go on a turkey shoot!


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Those were the assbags that were exchange students, but never showed up to school. Lovely. :twak:

[jeepdude10000]

ya u know it happens so often that the stock market didn't even flinch. Now thats bad.

[GSequoia]

Yea, but 8 out of 11 of their terroist buddies are still on the loose in the US:

http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel06/egyptianstudents080906.htm

I think they should post pics, so we can go on a turkey shoot!


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Bullshit.

Read your link:
Preliminary investigation has not identified any credible or imminent threat posed by El-Dessouki

This attitude of all people from that region are bad is really getting on my nerves. Those are college kids, c'mon. How many people of that age group do you know that have blown off responsiblities for a bit of fun... I know a lot.

That wouldn't even be in the news if it were just some random british kids (as it's random Egyptian kids, not people suspected of extremism)

[jeepinxj01]

That wouldn't even be in the news if it were just some random british kids (as it's random Egyptian kids, not people suspected of extremism)


That being said, and I'm not being argumentative, I'm just asking you and everyone who reads this. Considering the hightened state of awareness and "terror" (I hate that word) level, do you think that the government is justified in basically profiling those Egyption students?

I definately understand where you're coming from; they're probably just kids who blew off school for a while. Whatever, I did it. It's just the timing of the whole thing.

"I'll hang up and listen to your answer. Thanks." :laugh3:

[RichP]

Bullshit.

Read your link:


This attitude of all people from that region are bad is really getting on my nerves. Those are college kids, c'mon. How many people of that age group do you know that have blown off responsiblities for a bit of fun... I know a lot.

That wouldn't even be in the news if it were just some random british kids (as it's random Egyptian kids, not people suspected of extremism)

Agree, kids do stupid stuff thats part of growing up, unfortunately they also blew a good opportunity to spend time here. I work with a few muslims, other than they eat funny foods and do the praying thing, to me they are not any different. They eat pizza and bagels but wont touch pickled pigs feet but then neither will I...
Besides, manneville has some good go-go bars :D :D :D

[GSequoia]

Actually the missing students thing pre-dates the British plot by at least a day, possibly more. I became aware of it in the news at about 10am (PST) yesterday.

[jeepinxj01]

Actually the missing students thing pre-dates the British plot by at least a day, possibly more. I became aware of it in the news at about 10am (PST) yesterday.

I agree, and know. Again; Do you or anyone think that the government is justified in basically profiling those Egyption students?

[5-90]

Something the ACLU keeps missing - there are times when "profiling" is a useful tool. Not always, and it can be misused (and quis custodiet ipsos custodes?) but it can allow for limited resources to be used in a more effective manner.

I originally quit flying because the seats were too damn small. I actually love flying - but I now hate airports. The "security" there is getting tiresome, moreso because most of it is meant to provide the illusion of safety, rather than actual safety.

The fact that, five years ago, tangos were able to bring down airplanes with boxcutters speaks volumes - not of "airport security," but of the American people themselves. Time was, someone would have stepped up ON EACH AIRCRAFT and "Let's roll!" would have been heard a lot more that day. I was somewhat heartened that the call was answered on one plane - but why not all of them?

"The size of your honour guard determines your status in Hell." Whenever Death comes for me - has come for me! - he won't/didn't get me for free. I may lose the fight, but no-one has gotten any of me for free. Why doesn't anyone else think like that?

5-90

[GSequoia]

I agree, and know. Again; Do you or anyone think that the government is justified in basically profiling those Egyption students?

Not generally, no.

What does the government know about their backgrounds? Is there a security check, or whatever you want to call it, before the visa is granted? I'd imagine there would be.

I'm not saying that they shoudln't keep an eye out for them, just that one they should do it for all and two there is no real reason the media should've picked up on this boringly routine thing like it was some horrible threat to our safety.

[jeepinxj01]

Not generally, no.

What does the government know about their backgrounds? Is there a security check, or whatever you want to call it, before the visa is granted? I'd imagine there would be.

I'm not saying that they shoudln't keep an eye out for them, just that one they should do it for all and two there is no real reason the media should've picked up on this boringly routine thing like it was some horrible threat to our safety.

I would like to think there is some sort of back ground check to obtain a temporary visa; especially those applying for visa that may be from "certain" countries.

Who's to say what is a horrible threat to our society. As 5-90 said; all they had was boxcutters and they changed how America and the world functions in a sense. Who would have thought men w/ boxcutters could do that? I sure as hell never thought that.

I don't believe in profiling and I am definately not prejudice, but I don't see anything wrong w/ taking a few Egyption students who "conincidently" didn't show up to school, into custody because of the state of our WORLD.

[djblade311]

before we know it, we wont be able to carry ANYTHING on.

[5-90]

Yeah. I'm going to have to fly out in October for my kid sister's wedding (I won't have time to drive...) and I'm seriously considering wearing a loincloth and sandals. Maybe send a message?

5-90

[jeepinxj01]

Yeah. I'm going to have to fly out in October for my kid sister's wedding (I won't have time to drive...) and I'm seriously considering wearing a loincloth and sandals. Maybe send a message?

5-90


Gotta have a shirt. Go with a wife beater

[5-90]

Gotta have a shirt. Go with a wife beater

Nah - how about Band-Aids over my nipples? Make it easier for them to find nothing, if I don't hide anything...

5-90

[jeepinxj01]

Nah - how about Band-Aids over my nipples? Make it easier for them to find nothing, if I don't hide anything...

5-90


As long as they're My Little Pony Band-aids.

[5-90]

I'd briefly considered going through in the all-together, but that won't work unless I can get other people to do so as well. Just imagine - an entire airport's traffic going through in the raw, and explaining that it's due to "Security..."

I'm all for securing the skies, but taking away my ability to protect myself is not the way to do it. Granted, I can defend myself barehanded, but you need an equaliser sometimes...

5-90

[YELLAHEEP]

All I gotta say is God bless the special teams that were staying on top of that terrorist cell and making those 21 arrests! Nice to hear some proactive work being done that didn't first involve an incident at an airport. They never got close.

I'm hoping that those arrests are just the tip of the iceberg and we hear of more raids and arrests in the near future.

And yeah, it's a real tragedy that those arrested for this plot will hardly suffer for their misdeeds...... Shoulda just lined them up, bulldozed a ditch and dropped 'em a bullet at a time.

[5-90]

And yeah, it's a real tragedy that those arrested for this plot will hardly suffer for their misdeeds...... Shoulda just lined them up, bulldozed a ditch and dropped 'em a bullet at a time.

Nah - here's a better idea. Let them BASE jump into the Grand Canyon - with an anvil, rather than a parachute...

5-90

[little red cheroke]

All I gotta say is God bless the special teams that were staying on top of that terrorist cell and making those 21 arrests! Nice to hear some proactive work being done that didn't first involve an incident at an airport. They never got close.

I'm hoping that those arrests are just the tip of the iceberg and we hear of more raids and arrests in the near future.

And yeah, it's a real tragedy that those arrested for this plot will hardly suffer for their misdeeds...... Shoulda just lined them up, bulldozed a ditch and dropped 'em a bullet at a time.


x2 why do they have international rights, or any rights at all for that matter? they were gonna come over here and try to kill thousands of americans, and prolly kill them selves in the process, why cant we just kill them. why do we as tax payers have to pay for terroist to sit in a jail cell. why do we pay for guilty people to get a bed and 3 meals a day? shoot em all. save us $ in the long run

[RichP]

While an unpopular view and to play devils advocate, if they had succeeded in blowing up 3 or 6 airliners it would have for sure galvanized the free world. The hunt that ensued after that would have been unreal, hunting and killing terrorists would have become a national goal. In a way it was unfortunate they stopped the plot, now they will just find other ways to get binary and trinary explosives on board. Personally I think the govt is going the wrong way, they should be offering training for free for those inclined to take on the responsibility of being an armed traveler, there have to be at least a million retired military out there that fly and travel, thats one hell of a big personal base to have at your finger tips.. One of the disadvantages of breeding 2 or 3 generations of sheep I guess.

[5-90]

While an unpopular view and to play devils advocate, if they had succeeded in blowing up 3 or 6 airliners it would have for sure galvanized the free world. The hunt that ensued after that would have been unreal, hunting and killing terrorists would have become a national goal. In a way it was unfortunate they stopped the plot, now they will just find other ways to get binary and trinary explosives on board. Personally I think the govt is going the wrong way, they should be offering training for free for those inclined to take on the responsibility of being an armed traveler, there have to be at least a million retired military out there that fly and travel, thats one hell of a big personal base to have at your finger tips.. One of the disadvantages of breeding 2 or 3 generations of sheep I guess.

Sounds about right. After all, if we had more sheepdogs, I think this would not be a problem. I'd almost be willing to put up with the small-ass airliner seats if I didn't have to bother going through security and dealing with in-duh-viduals with matching IQ and belt size.

Yes, I do agree that if they HAD succeeded, we would probably launch on an eradication campaign (which we should probably do anyway. We should have started that with the fall of the Shah in 1977 or so...) to eliminate known terrorists worldwide...

As far as "rights?" Once you take up arms against "innocents" to make some sort of political goal, you have forfeited all of your rights as a human being, and should be put down with somewhat less feeling than shooting a rabid dog. I honestly can't think of a lower form of life, offhand, than a terrorist. Call me Draconian, but targeting people who are unwilling/unable to fight back only makes you the worst sort of coward.

Give me equipment and intel, and let me pick a half-dozen or so people to round out my team. Then, get out of my way - and just let me know how much we make for each head we send back. I'm getting tired of this mock anti-terror that is being foisted upon us, and I've always been willing to meet them on their own terms. Take it one step farther - either lubricate the bullets with pig fat, or put a fried pork rind in their mouths when we go to take pictures to confirm the kill. They deserve to be defiled, and perhaps doing so will send a clear message to the rest - this sort of thing WILL NOT be tolerated - we will kill you AND give you a guaranteed ticket to whatever Hell you believe in. Get used to it, or find another line of work.

5-90

[Vince]

My trip to the US in September is now facing serious challenges. I have to choose between risking losing my uninsurable navigation equipment with months of route planning, a laptop and camera in an unlocked checked in bag, or ship it all separately via Fedex for twice the cost of my own return fare.

British insurance companies are treating the incident as an act of terrorism even though it was thwarted. Nobody will receive any compensation for delays, cancellations, lost or damaged possessions as a result.

[5-90]

My trip to the US in September is now facing serious challenges. I have to choose between risking losing my uninsurable navigation equipment with months of route planning, a laptop and camera in an unlocked checked in bag, or ship it all separately via Fedex for twice the cost of my own return fare.

British insurance companies are treating the incident as an act of terrorism even though it was thwarted. Nobody will receive any compensation for delays, cancellations, lost or damaged possessions as a result.

And to think - every time they clamp down a little more, it's a net victory for terrorists... We're going entirely the wrong way with this - and it's largely because people in general have been BS'd into believing that someone else can do a good job of providing security for them (which is an impossibility, not to mention morally unsound...)

Good luck! Where in the US do you plan on going?

5-90

[SanDiegoXJ]

do you think that the government is justified in basically profiling those Egyption students?

HELL YES!!!

I mean come on, let's call a spade a spade. The threat is from a muslim religion...therefore, anybody that participates in that religion should be considered a threat as well.

You say they're just innocent college kids, well in my college people were getting raped and murdered by other college kids...does being in college make the rapists and murderers innocent too...I mean we all do things in college we shouldn't, right?

You all act like these so-called "innocents" have no hateful feelings towards you or I...bullshit, they hate me, they hate you, they hate us...they use us for what they can then try and blow us up. I'd say chances are pretty high that back in Egypt, these innocents were dancing a jig when the twin towers dropped. Sad fact is, apathy is action, and in the middle east, if these folks really are innocent, their apathy and lack of concern for themselves and those around them is a decisive choice to live in a state of terror and squalor...unfortunately, that makes them guilty by association. And that's fine...don't get me wrong...but if they come this way, I say profile the hell out of 'em!

I used to be a freedom of religion kind of guy...after reading the Quran, or a large part of it anyway, I've never felt so fearful in my life. I thought Judaism was a mean damn religion....it doesn't hold a candle to muslims. They feel the need to annihilate everything in their paths that doesn't fall directly in line with their beliefs. The resound the hymn Hitler praising his actions in the holocaust. I'm sorry, but a new order fascist is not an innocent in my book. But then again, I think a skinhead walking througha synagogue with a swastika on his arm deserves a little special attention too...but thats just me, I'd rather be safe than have a terrorist be happy...call me kooky like that.

[Big Red]

Yeah. I'm going to have to fly out in October for my kid sister's wedding (I won't have time to drive...) and I'm seriously considering wearing a loincloth and sandals. Maybe send a message?

5-90

They'll break out the rubber gloves for sure on you. :laugh3:

[Matthew Currie]

And to think - every time they clamp down a little more, it's a net victory for terrorists... We're going entirely the wrong way with this - and it's largely because people in general have been BS'd into believing that someone else can do a good job of providing security for them (which is an impossibility, not to mention morally unsound...)

Good luck! Where in the US do you plan on going?

5-90

Yup, the terrorists have won. We"re terrorized (apologies for punct. firefox occasionally goes bonkers and translates apostrophes as a search request!).

Here"s an amusing little image for the day:

http://www.xopl.com/blog/embedded/liquidshit.jpg

So, since they"re afraid we might be taking something terribly dangerous and explosive or reactive onto the planes, they confiscate it and.....yes, that"s right, they dump it, right there in the crowded terminal, into a common trash basket. Wow! I feel safer already!

[Big Red]

Yup, the terrorists have won. We"re terrorized (apologies for punct. firefox occasionally goes bonkers and translates apostrophes as a search request!).

Here"s an amusing little image for the day:

http://www.xopl.com/blog/embedded/liquidshit.jpg

So, since they"re afraid we might be taking something terribly dangerous and explosive or reactive onto the planes, they confiscate it and.....yes, that"s right, they dump it, right there in the crowded terminal, into a common trash basket. Wow! I feel safer already!

Is that Martha Stewart trying to bring explosives on the plane??? :laugh3:

[RichP]

Yup, the terrorists have won. We"re terrorized (apologies for punct. firefox occasionally goes bonkers and translates apostrophes as a search request!).

Here"s an amusing little image for the day:

http://www.xopl.com/blog/embedded/liquidshit.jpg

So, since they"re afraid we might be taking something terribly dangerous and explosive or reactive onto the planes, they confiscate it and.....yes, that"s right, they dump it, right there in the crowded terminal, into a common trash basket. Wow! I feel safer already!

Worse yet, if it's a binary explosive they are mixing it right there.. make it a binary with an trianary initiator and there goes the garbage can....

[swany]

XXXX those XXXXers my wife is flying back next week from there. :smsoap:

[goodburbon]

I have been in Turkey for a week now and I just asked someone why they always blame America for everything. The guy said that the Israleis were killing thousands of lebanese children and the US supports them. My reply was "wow we haven't heard that". and his was "yes they tell us everything".

I told him that if "for example" a group of wayward Georgians were to start running cross border raids and lobbing rockets into Turkey and Georgian gov. would do nothing about it Bush would support Turkey whoopin some ass too. I am in a severe minority here the people are muslim. He obviously didn't buy it.

MY eyes are opened now, it's all George Bush's fault, I never knew..........

Fawking asstards. Gotta love AL-Jihada the news agency that shows this part of the world how things REALLY are.

I would gladly carry on a plane if I were allowed to, I'm not even totally comfortable with leaving my safety in the hands of a pilot I don't know, much less the goober with a singing wand in the terminal.

Burbon

[XJ Dreamin']

I think this is a good time to start speculating.

1) The liquids angle. Are the components of binary explosives detectable by explosive sniffer/back-scatter equipment? How easy do you think it would be to take the A and B components aboard separately, and then combine them in-flight?

2) 21 arrested. How many have they missed?

3) Note to self. Cancel trip to Leads Armory Museum.

Something to do with Hyrogen peroxide, I heard. Nice. Hydrogen peroxide and kerosene make a nice rocket fuel. The V-2 used H2O2 and a catalyst to power its fuel pump turbines.

[dphillips]

HELL YES!!!

I mean come on, let's call a spade a spade. The threat is from a muslim religion...therefore, anybody that participates in that religion should be considered a threat as well.

You say they're just innocent college kids, well in my college people were getting raped and murdered by other college kids...does being in college make the rapists and murderers innocent too...I mean we all do things in college we shouldn't, right?

You all act like these so-called "innocents" have no hateful feelings towards you or I...bullshit, they hate me, they hate you, they hate us...they use us for what they can then try and blow us up. I'd say chances are pretty high that back in Egypt, these innocents were dancing a jig when the twin towers dropped. Sad fact is, apathy is action, and in the middle east, if these folks really are innocent, their apathy and lack of concern for themselves and those around them is a decisive choice to live in a state of terror and squalor...unfortunately, that makes them guilty by association. And that's fine...don't get me wrong...but if they come this way, I say profile the hell out of 'em!

I used to be a freedom of religion kind of guy...after reading the Quran, or a large part of it anyway, I've never felt so fearful in my life. I thought Judaism was a mean damn religion....it doesn't hold a candle to muslims. They feel the need to annihilate everything in their paths that doesn't fall directly in line with their beliefs. The resound the hymn Hitler praising his actions in the holocaust. I'm sorry, but a new order fascist is not an innocent in my book. But then again, I think a skinhead walking througha synagogue with a swastika on his arm deserves a little special attention too...but thats just me, I'd rather be safe than have a terrorist be happy...call me kooky like that.

Right on! Someone finally hit the nail on the head.
How many more people have to die before we begin to realize this! Our political correctness is blinding too many in this country.

[ZPD]

I flew out of SFO yesterday morning. It was a nightmare. I would rather stand 2.5 hours in a security line and throw away my toothpaste and shaving cream than let somebody get by with something that can blow up a plane. The problem is that now liquids are not allowed on flights terrorists will just find a new trick. It will be difficult to keep ahead of all of them.

[POSXJGuy]

I flew out of SFO yesterday morning. It was a nightmare. I would rather stand 2.5 hours in a security line and throw away my toothpaste and shaving cream than let somebody get by with something that can blow up a plane. The problem is that now liquids are not allowed on flights terrorists will just find a new trick. It will be difficult to keep ahead of all of them.

see, that is pretty logical to me. however, on the news they were interviewing people who were disgruntled by the whole thing. i think those people need to be slapped silly. one guy talkin about how he had to repack his hair gel and toothpaste and get back in the security line. i was wonderin, why the hell didnt he just throw it away?:twak:

[muduck18]

Its funny I left this thread for a day and i had 20 minutes of reading when I get back...

"The size of your honour guard determines your status in Hell." Whenever Death comes for me - has come for me! - he won't/didn't get me for free. I may lose the fight, but no-one has gotten any of me for free. Why doesn't anyone else think like that?

I agree 100%

I'm all for securing the skies, but taking away my ability to protect myself is not the way to do it. Granted, I can defend myself barehanded, but you need an equaliser sometimes...


diddo

I have been in Turkey for a week now and I just asked someone why they always blame America for everything. The guy said that the Israleis were killing thousands of lebanese children and the US supports them. My reply was "wow we haven't heard that". and his was "yes they tell us everything".

I told him that if "for example" a group of wayward Georgians were to start running cross border raids and lobbing rockets into Turkey and Georgian gov. would do nothing about it Bush would support Turkey whoopin some ass too. I am in a severe minority here the people are muslim. He obviously didn't buy it.

MY eyes are opened now, it's all George Bush's fault, I never knew..........

Fawking asstards. Gotta love AL-Jihada the news agency that shows this part of the world how things REALLY are.

I would gladly carry on a plane if I were allowed to, I'm not even totally comfortable with leaving my safety in the hands of a pilot I don't know, much less the goober with a singing wand in the terminal.

This is why they hate us so much! Many Americans don't even realize that these people are drowned in this propeganda all day long.



Other than that every one here has said so much that makes me all warm in fuzzy inside.

We may be at war right now with terror. but how much longer before the sleeping giant awakes???
Give me equipment and intel, and let me pick a half-dozen or so people to round out my team. Then, get out of my way - and just let me know how much we make for each head we send back. I'm getting tired of this mock anti-terror that is being foisted upon us, and I've always been willing to meet them on their own terms. Take it one step farther - either lubricate the bullets with pig fat, or put a fried pork rind in their mouths when we go to take pictures to confirm the kill. They deserve to be defiled, and perhaps doing so will send a clear message to the rest - this sort of thing WILL NOT be tolerated - we will kill you AND give you a guaranteed ticket to whatever Hell you believe in. Get used to it, or find another line of work.


I am in...
Liberty or Death
Hate America all you want...
But don't piss us off.:scottm: and don't fawking mess with our freedom.

[Ramsey]

Fox News is the devil

[GSequoia]

HELL YES!!!

I mean come on, let's call a spade a spade. The threat is from a muslim religion...therefore, anybody that participates in that religion should be considered a threat as well.

You say they're just innocent college kids, well in my college people were getting raped and murdered by other college kids...does being in college make the rapists and murderers innocent too...I mean we all do things in college we shouldn't, right?

You all act like these so-called "innocents" have no hateful feelings towards you or I...bullshit, they hate me, they hate you, they hate us...they use us for what they can then try and blow us up. I'd say chances are pretty high that back in Egypt, these innocents were dancing a jig when the twin towers dropped. Sad fact is, apathy is action, and in the middle east, if these folks really are innocent, their apathy and lack of concern for themselves and those around them is a decisive choice to live in a state of terror and squalor...unfortunately, that makes them guilty by association. And that's fine...don't get me wrong...but if they come this way, I say profile the hell out of 'em!

I used to be a freedom of religion kind of guy...after reading the Quran, or a large part of it anyway, I've never felt so fearful in my life. I thought Judaism was a mean damn religion....it doesn't hold a candle to muslims. They feel the need to annihilate everything in their paths that doesn't fall directly in line with their beliefs. The resound the hymn Hitler praising his actions in the holocaust. I'm sorry, but a new order fascist is not an innocent in my book. But then again, I think a skinhead walking througha synagogue with a swastika on his arm deserves a little special attention too...but thats just me, I'd rather be safe than have a terrorist be happy...call me kooky like that.

Well gee, I never thought of that. I guess I'm wrong. I'd better go out and kill all my Muslim friends because they obviously want to kill me.

We should also go arrest every college student in the country. I mean some of them have raped and killled so they're all bad.

[goodburbon]

Well gee, I never thought of that. I guess I'm wrong. I'd better go out and kill all my Muslim friends because they obviously want to kill me.

We should also go arrest every college student in the country. I mean some of them have raped and killled so they're all bad.

not a surprising response from the peoples republic of california.

Q: ever lock your doors when a young urbanite with his pants around his lower thighs walks by? Do you react the same when a guy in a business suit with a briefcase walks by?

Profiling is common sense, to ignore it is to display an uncanny ammount of ignorance all in the name of displaying how enlightend you are.

[GSequoia]

Q: ever lock your doors when a young urbanite with his pants around his lower thighs walks by? Do you react the same when a guy in a business suit with a briefcase walks by?
There are two answers to this question.

Answer one is I typically lock the doors out of habbit when I get in, was pouned into my head from a young age by a paranoid mother.

Answer two is at those times that the doors are not locked I don't even think about it when anybody walks by. I mean hell man, I drive a beat up 1989 and 1988 Jeep Cherokee, nobody is gonna mess with me. (You could say this theory is well tested as I tend to take surface streets home from work to avoid freeway traffic, that takes me through scenic South Central Los Angeles).

You must realize that I wan't attacking him for being suspicious of people whom he thinks may be a threat. I was pointing out how ignorant the post was becuase he was saying they were without a doubt a threat, that thinking is just plain wrong.

[red91]

not a surprising response from the peoples republic of california.

Q: ever lock your doors when a young urbanite with his pants around his lower thighs walks by? Do you react the same when a guy in a business suit with a briefcase walks by?

Profiling is common sense, to ignore it is to display an uncanny ammount of ignorance all in the name of displaying how enlightend you are.



If you trust a guy in a Suit....you don't work for a corperation.

I trust them no more than the punk without a belt for his pants.


TRUST NO ONE.

[5-90]

Dammit - hit the wrong button and quoted myself...

[5-90]

"Young Urbanite?" Is that what we're calling the "hippity hop" generation this week? Or is it just euphemistic for "gang banger?"

Answer - when sitting at any sort of stop, I have my fingers resting on the inside door latch, and my elbow planted in the armrest. If someone comes up to your window and does something you don't like, pull the latch and EXPLODE your elbow outwards - that will buy you time to decide what to do next, if you haven't aready.

In some areas, I also take a brief moment to unlatch my seatbelt, in case I need to unass the rig in a hurry (for whatever reason.)

Does that door trick work? You betcha! I've used it a couple times, and I've got a buddy that runs a body shop (who will usually get rid of the dent - no paint - for a sixpack or two...)

Another neat trick, if your window is down, is to grab the offender's forearm, plant it against the A-pillar, and take off rapidly. The least he'll get out with is a dislocated shoulder...

"You might get me, but it won't be free..."

5-90


(Forgot to mention - this is whether I'm surrounded by suits or saggers. The people I trust can be counted on the fingers of one hand. Paranoid? Maybe. But, I'm still alive, aren't I? "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean no-one's out to get you...")

[creeperjeep]

I think some of you should leave the usa for a few months and look at the usa from the outside

[SanDiegoXJ]

Well gee, I never thought of that. I guess I'm wrong. I'd better go out and kill all my Muslim friends because they obviously want to kill me.

You might very well be correct. Their mission is to incorporate themselves into this country unnoticed. As was said before...it's the one's you THINK you can trust that are the biggest threat.

We should also go arrest every college student in the country. I mean some of them have raped and killled so they're all bad.

Thats not what I said. And hopefully, in the near future, you'll learn to read, but in the mean time, while you still need everything spoon fed to you, I will elaborate for the educationally challenged. If you suspect a college student of a crime, or have some probable cause to suspect him, then yes, arrest his ass and hold him until you can prove otherwise....or shoot him, I don't really care to be completely honest. If a certain fraternity is perpetrating threats on others, yes, I say lock down the frat and all its members...or kill them all, again, I really don't care what you do to them. My problem is when you say I need to put myself at risk so some asshole can have the right to commit crimes...that isn't justice to me...sorry you'd prefer to have your family slaughtered so you could feel good about providing civil rights to a criminal...I'm just not that liberal.

[RichP]

I think some of you should leave the usa for a few months and look at the usa from the outside

True, but only us that have done it know it....and for those of you missing the point we're not talking about people going on vacation somwhere for a couple of weeks either...

[XJ_Vikings]

Thats not what I said. And hopefully, in the near future, you'll learn to read, but in the mean time, while you still need everything spoon fed to you, I will elaborate for the educationally challenged. If you suspect a college student of a crime, or have some probable cause to suspect him, then yes, arrest his ass and hold him until you can prove otherwise....or shoot him, I don't really care to be completely honest. If a certain fraternity is perpetrating threats on others, yes, I say lock down the frat and all its members...or kill them all, again, I really don't care what you do to them. My problem is when you say I need to put myself at risk so some asshole can have the right to commit crimes...that isn't justice to me...sorry you'd prefer to have your family slaughtered so you could feel good about providing civil rights to a criminal...I'm just not that liberal.

damn, i thought i was about as right wing as they got and that suprises me.

[goodburbon]

Thats not what I said. And hopefully, in the near future, you'll learn to read, but in the mean time, while you still need everything spoon fed to you, I will elaborate for the educationally challenged. If you suspect a college student of a crime, or have some probable cause to suspect him, then yes, arrest his ass and hold him until you can prove otherwise....or shoot him, I don't really care to be completely honest. If a certain fraternity is perpetrating threats on others, yes, I say lock down the frat and all its members...or kill them all, again, I really don't care what you do to them. My problem is when you say I need to put myself at risk so some asshole can have the right to commit crimes...that isn't justice to me...sorry you'd prefer to have your family slaughtered so you could feel good about providing civil rights to a criminal...I'm just not that liberal.

You have effectively spoon fed us the fact that you are sociopathic. Why on earth would you kill someone suspected of a crime? How could you possibly justify killing an entire Frat because some of its members are threatening others?

5-90, I would gladly join you.

edited due to a snafu when I hit the submit button

[muduck18]

I think some of you should leave the usa for a few months and look at the usa from the outside

I have been to p-town... does that count?:woohoo:

so what you are saying is that if i go and live in kuwait for a while, i will change my view of people who fly planes in to buildings, or attempt to board them with explosives?

I think you are wrong.

a good look from the outside is all fine and great... but it doesn't change how I view terrorists, or the muslim radicals.

[Ironmen77]

I see where C.A.I.R. thinks it is "ill-advised" for our President to call terrorists Islamic fascists. That it is counter-productive to associate Islam or muslims with fascism. Yet they have no position on the 21 muslim terrorists or any muslim or islamic bombers that target innocent civilians.

Until muslims police their own, they shouldn't tell anyone how to react.

[Gil BullyKatz]

Until illegal beaners start suicide missions with their low riders/conversion vans being driven into govt bldgs...

I'm all for profiling

;)

[GSequoia]

Until illegal beaners start suicide missions with their low riders/conversion vans being driven into govt bldgs...

I'm all for profiling

;)

Those damn Catholic extremists!

They make us all drink and have sex.

[Glenn B]

I think some of you should leave the usa for a few months and look at the usa from the outside

I left the USA for 10 years. I am still a fan of the USA, and I still support hunting down terrorists. Living in a foreign country certainly did not make me dislike America in any way.

[5-90]

America may not be the most ideal country (in terms of what it could be,) but I still think it a lot better than anywhere else. I shan't go into the list of where I've been...

However, going abroad is an eye-opener, and realistically should be done. Not as an "exchange student," not "on vacation" - but learn some of the language before you go, and go LIVE there for a while. The best way to appreciate what we have here is to NOT have it for a little while... I firmly believe you won't get that experience as an exchange student (they'll usually still treat you like an American,) or if you're on a fortnight's holiday...

5-90

[Glenn B]

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/08/12/MNGIAKHHS75.DTL

Why does that not surprise me? Cali at its best. :smsoap:

[5-90]

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/08/12/MNGIAKHHS75.DTL

Why does that not surprise me? Cali at its best. :smsoap:

Gawd. I always wanted to walk up to a buck pacifist, give him a good poke in the nose, and say, "Violence solves nothing!" when he balled up to hit me back. Call it "testing a belief," but if violence solves nothing, why is it still so common? Ask the passenger pigeon, the buffalo, and the dodo about that... Ask the Holy Roman Empire... Ask the Spanish Armada - I'd be inclined to say that violence settled all of their accounts fairly finally...

Who was it that advised us all that "The best way to secure peace is to prepare for war?" I don't recall at the moment...

5-90

[Ironmen77]

Who was it that advised us all that "The best way to secure peace is to prepare for war?" I don't recall at the moment...

5-90

http://www.theodore-roosevelt.com/tr1898.html

I think Teddy said it once.

[5-90]

http://www.theodore-roosevelt.com/tr1898.html

I think Teddy said it once.

Quite probably - my memory isn't what it once was, but it's coming back...

Thanks for the link tho - should make for interesting reading! Just to give you something else to dig up...

"America will never be loved, so we must be feared." Probably misquoting, but the sentiment is there. Whose was that? It's amazing how much I've got rambling around loose in my hat, and can't get good recall on...

5-90

[Ironmen77]

Here's a good one kinda topical.

"By nature's law, man is at peace with man till some aggression is committed, which, by the same law, authorizes one to destroy another as his enemy." --Thomas Jefferson to Edmond C. Genet, 1793. ME 9:136

[Ironmen77]

Machiavelli was very firmly of the belief that one must go to one extreme or the other, and that being in the middle is dangerous. As in the above example, one must be loved, or one must be feared. If you try to be both, you'll fail. And being feared is cheaper.

[muduck18]

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/08/12/MNGIAKHHS75.DTL

Why does that not surprise me? Cali at its best. :smsoap:

I find it strange and some what confusing that people can forget, what has brought us as a nation the freedom and prosperity that we enjoy is the wars like what we are fighting now...

Freedom comes at a price, one that Americans have always been willing to pay. Not only have we been willing to pay that price for our own nation, but also for other nations as well, revolutionary - civil - ww1 - ww2 - nam.
I am too young to remember any of them, but I have read, and was taught in school about them all, and will never forget the price that was paid.

My grandfather fought in WWII, my uncles in Nam, and four of my cousins have now served in the middle east.

:soapbox:

[Boatwrench]

geoff, your wrong, those students are more than just youg kids on a romp around the country...if that's all it was we (yes even the Coast Guard) wouldn't be looking for them.

Here's what I think..
Are all Muslims terrorists? Are all Christians abortion clinic bombers?

In case you all forgot...

Armenian Genocide - Muslims
DC Sniper- Muslim
Grenade Attack thrown in tent by a fellow U.S. Soldier - Muslim
Ambon Massacre - Muslims
Beslan School attack- Muslims
World Trade Center attacks (Twice) - Muslims
Pentagon attack - Muslims
Malcolm Kerr, Pres. American University, kidnapped & murdered - Muslims
Paul Johnson, kidnapper and beheaded - Muslims
Pan Am Flight 109 bombing - Muslims
Orly Airport attack - Muslims
Istanbul Airport attack - Muslims
Assassination attempt on Pope John Paul II - Muslim
Skyjack Sunday, 3 planes hijacked and blown up - Muslims
Planet Hollywood bombing in Cape Town - Muslims
La Belle nightclub bombing in Berlin - Muslims
AK-47 attack on CIA employees in Virginia - Muslim
Metro bombings in Paris (Twice) - Muslims
US Embassy bombing in Peru - Muslims
Russian Apartment Complex bombings - Muslims
Tunisian Synoqogue bombing - Muslim
Dagestan bombings - Muslims
US Consulate attack in Karachi - Muslims
North Ossetia Hospital attack - Muslims
Bombing of Mariott Hotel in Jakarta - Muslims
Australian Embassy bombing in Jakarta - Muslims
British Consulate and HSBC bombings - Istanbul - Muslims
Sudan Genocide - Muslims
US Embassies in Kenya & Tanzania attacks - Muslims
USS Cole attack - Muslims
Nicholas Berg, kidnapped and beheaded - Muslims
Bali nightclub bombings - Muslims
Moscow subway bombings - Muslims
Twin bombings of Russian airliners - Muslims
Murder of Theo van Gogh - Muslims
Kidnapping of hundreds of civilians & beheadings of scores in the Philippines -
Muslims
Luxor Attacks - Muslims Attempted attack on Egyptian President Mubarak - Muslims
Lt. Col. W. Higgins, kidnapped & murdered - Muslims
US Embassy in Beirut attacks (Twice) - Muslims
French Embassy in Beirut attack - Muslims
Hijack of TWA Flight 847 - Muslims
Bombing of Jewish Cultural Center in Buenos Aires - Muslims
Moscow Opera House attack and hostage taking - Muslims
Bombings & Suicide attacks in Tashkent and Boukhara - Muslims
Marine Barracks attacks Beirut - Muslims
Egyptian Embassy attack in Pakistan - Muslims
Dhahran Housing Attack - Muslims
Thousands of beheadings in Algeria - Muslims
Madrid Train Bombing - Muslims
Suicide Bombers in Iraqi and Israel - Muslims
Margaret Hussan, kidnapped and murdered - Muslims
Daniel Pearl, kidnapped and beheaded - Muslims
Beheading of bound and defenseless noncombatants - Muslims
Sarajevo Market Massacre - Muslims
Modern Slave Trade in Africa - Muslims
Somnath Slaughter - Muslims
Taliban - executions of thousands and destruction of Afghan culture - Muslims
Enslavement and trade of Africans into Western Europe and Americas
Honor rapes and killings - Muslims
Oppression of women - Muslims
Oppression and suppression of other religions - Muslims
Jihad - Muslims
Fatwa - Muslims
Plus hundreds of other attacks, bombings, rapes and murders..........

Peaceful religon my ass.

[yardape]

Just in the news. Didn't see the whole thing. A couple people arrested for buying hundreds of prepaid cell phones at Walmart and opening them. A salesperson got wise and tipped off the police. I believe they are now under arrest for attempting to aid terrorist acivities. Thank g-o-d someone was vigilant and proactive.

[acrid]

how about a war on jealousy?????

i always wanted to have a war on emotions.... f'in emotions, bomb em all....

hate
love
terror
fear
sadnes
anger

why stop with terror, we should hunt them all down and kill, kill, kill.

why do i say this??? my roommate works at pdx airport with a security pass, all the baggers and loaders are allowed to have drinks past security points, as soon as one "terrorist", gets a job at any airport..... they also have had "sniffers" in place at pdx, but don't use them??? i, myself, have gotten onto two flights with my pocket knife, right past security, not because i tried, but because i forgot i had it with me..... had to fly home after blowing out my knee, i got to bypass the metal detector, because of my wheelchair, i could have had anything with me, i had cold packs, crutches, etc, did they search my wheelchair, heck no...

don't get me wrong, i love my country, i just hate my lying, stealing, cheating government. for instance, any other plane crashes in our history have been investigated in painstaking detail with forsensics for years to recreate the planes and located the most insignificant of every piece of the plane before releasing result as to what caused the "accident"... not so with any of the planes that were used in "9/11"... coincidence???? not likely, all the steel that was used in the building was certified by UL labs to be hi-grade, meaning that no jet fuel in the world could possibly destroy any piece of steel in that building. 2000f for jet fuel, 3000f for hi-grade steel.... we shipped out all the debris without any investigation to foreign countries???? these are facts, not hearsay.... i could go on and on, but then why bother, either people are aware of this already, or will just call me a "traitor", when in reality, i believe our biggest danger is our own "government"... i'm not the only one, many of our founding fathers had the same thing to say. i love my country, please don't take this the wrong way. its jmo.

[Glenn B]

You just need a "quality" tin foil hat. None of that aluminum crap, but authentic tin foil. Then you will be good to go. :rattle::rattle:

how about a war on jealousy?????

i always wanted to have a war on emotions.... f'in emotions, bomb em all....

hate
love
terror
fear
sadnes
anger

why stop with terror, we should hunt them all down and kill, kill, kill.

why do i say this??? my roommate works at pdx airport with a security pass, all the baggers and loaders are allowed to have drinks past security points, as soon as one "terrorist", gets a job at any airport..... they also have had "sniffers" in place at pdx, but don't use them??? i, myself, have gotten onto two flights with my pocket knife, right past security, not because i tried, but because i forgot i had it with me..... had to fly home after blowing out my knee, i got to bypass the metal detector, because of my wheelchair, i could have had anything with me, i had cold packs, crutches, etc, did they search my wheelchair, heck no...

don't get me wrong, i love my country, i just hate my lying, stealing, cheating government. for instance, any other plane crashes in our history have been investigated in painstaking detail with forsensics for years to recreate the planes and located the most insignificant of every piece of the plane before releasing result as to what caused the "accident"... not so with any of the planes that were used in "9/11"... coincidence???? not likely, all the steel that was used in the building was certified by UL labs to be hi-grade, meaning that no jet fuel in the world could possibly destroy any piece of steel in that building. 2000f for jet fuel, 3000f for hi-grade steel.... we shipped out all the debris without any investigation to foreign countries???? these are facts, not hearsay.... i could go on and on, but then why bother, either people are aware of this already, or will just call me a "traitor", when in reality, i believe our biggest danger is our own "government"... i'm not the only one, many of our founding fathers had the same thing to say. i love my country, please don't take this the wrong way. its jmo.

[5-90]

It's rather possible to elevate the combustion temperature of a fuel in certain circumstances - witness acetylene. Old miner's "carbide lamps" would generate acetylene, which was then lit to provide a working light.

Mix it with oxygen, and you can cut metal. Don't mix it, and it burns relatively cool (several hundred degrees or so) and will only heat most metals - it won't even melt solder alloys (MP ~740*F.)

Be that as it may, I think they're going about "security" the wrong way. If (when!) they get something past security, they'll know that they're safe - no-one else has anything to fight back with.

Now, let's try doing the opposite. Borrowing from Heinlein (and probably earlier...) and realising that "An armed society is a polite society," one is forced to wonder what would have happened on 11SEP01 if fumblethumbs had pulled out their boxcutters, and several people got up and returned the favour with useful knives. I'd be willing to bet that a quite a few more people would be alive to-day, and four airliners wouldn't have crashed.

Even without going to that extreme, let's look at El Al (Israeli flag carrier.) Their pilots are all armed, their security damn sure does profile threats, and how many Israeli airliners have been hijacked? I'll save you the trouble - ZERO, in nice, round figures.

Meanwhile, the rest of the world is going about it all bassackwards, and we're paying for it. I'm not looking forward to flying out to IN this October - but I won't have time to drive out there. I've often wondered which "team" has the lower IQ - the missing links that toss our bags around, or the missing links that "screen" people at the gate. The baggage handlers do have a better track record for efficiency, tho...

The "Department of Homeland Security" is about as useful as the hominid vermiform appendix, and should be excised before it becomes inflamed and ruptures. People must learn to provide their own security again - the more we lean upon someone else to do it, the worse it's going to get. Once cannot, morally speaking, expect someone else to put themselves in harm's way constantly to be secure - you have to take some responsibility of your own. Besides, if you've got an IQ greater than sixty or so, you'll realise that you just can't pay someone enough to take a bullet for you - whatever form that bullet may take. I won't ask someone to do something I'm not willing to do myself, which means that I'm going to handle threats on my own. Besides, I'm not an "elected official," and I'm therefore ineligible to have a cop in my pocket all the time (and I wouldn't want one there anyhow, to be perfectly honest. Don't they have bigger things to deal with?)

5-90

[XJ Dreamin']

I can't find it on CNN.com, but on CNN this morning was a story from UK about Muslim attitudes in the mosque and on the street. The short version is that the older Muslim establishment inside the UK mosques is peaceful but out of touch with the young muslim element on the street. In the mosque it's all peace and prayer. On the street the word is all "America this.." and "Isreal that.."

A representative of the British Muslim establishment tried to sum up the situation for the reporter. "These young men are angry."


That's it: they're angry.


Well, I got news for ya'....I don't give a shit!

[5-90]

I can't find it on CNN.com, but on CNN this morning was a story from UK about Muslim attitudes in the mosque and on the street. The short version is that the older Muslim establishment inside the UK mosques is peaceful but out of touch with the young muslim element on the street. In the mosque it's all peace and prayer. On the street the word is all "America this.." and "Isreal that.."

A representative of the British Muslim establishment tried to sum up the situation for the reporter. "These young men are angry."


That's it: they're angry.


Well, I got news for ya'....I don't give a shit!


You know what? So am I. I'm angry because I don't like the fact that they think we need to die - wholesale - and I'm angry because they're making my government do stupid **** in order to "keep me safe" (which is, last time I looked, my job on an individual basis.)

Angry enough to kill? Oh, yes!

And, y'ask me, once you are convited of terrorism, you should have your humanity stripped from you. From that moment onward, you have no farking rights as a human being - in keeping with what you were trying to do in the first place. And, if they want to "martyr" themselves, make sure they're somehow contaminated and can't get into their version of Paradise anymore (perhaps restuff the body with pig entrails via the Y incision, after the autopsy?)

Once again, terrorists should be killed and their bodies defiled - then burned (so that the defiled body can't be resanctified.) Don't like it? Don't go into terror - find another line of work...

5-90

[Smittty9785]

LETS KILL EM ALL XXXX IT!!!!

[acrid]

You just need a "quality" tin foil hat. None of that aluminum crap, but authentic tin foil. Then you will be good to go. :rattle::rattle:


not sure what the point of that is.... my comments come from proven facts not immature babble and blind belief. the laws of physics didn't set themselves to the side to allow the freefall collapse of two of the worlds best built towers to disintegrate into nothing... i choose to think for myself. blind ignorance is not patriotism. btw, it was bush's brother that was in charge of security at the wtc, AA and dulles... oh, if i put on that foil hat, that will suddenly mean nothing.... ok, i got it... thanks for the heads up.... i'll steer clear of anyone wearing one of those patriot caps...

[acrid]

You know what? So am I. I'm angry because I don't like the fact that they think we need to die - wholesale - and I'm angry because they're making my government do stupid **** in order to "keep me safe" (which is, last time I looked, my job on an individual basis.)

Angry enough to kill? Oh, yes!

And, y'ask me, once you are convited of terrorism, you should have your humanity stripped from you. From that moment onward, you have no farking rights as a human being - in keeping with what you were trying to do in the first place. And, if they want to "martyr" themselves, make sure they're somehow contaminated and can't get into their version of Paradise anymore (perhaps restuff the body with pig entrails via the Y incision, after the autopsy?)

Once again, terrorists should be killed and their bodies defiled - then burned (so that the defiled body can't be resanctified.) Don't like it? Don't go into terror - find another line of work...

5-90

AGREED!!!:firedevil

[XJ Dreamin']

You know what? So am I. I'm angry because I don't like the fact that they think we need to die - wholesale - and I'm angry because they're making my government do stupid **** in order to "keep me safe" (which is, last time I looked, my job on an individual basis.)

Angry enough to kill? Oh, yes!

And, y'ask me, once you are convited of terrorism, you should have your humanity stripped from you. From that moment onward, you have no farking rights as a human being - in keeping with what you were trying to do in the first place. And, if they want to "martyr" themselves, make sure they're somehow contaminated and can't get into their version of Paradise anymore (perhaps restuff the body with pig entrails via the Y incision, after the autopsy?)

Once again, terrorists should be killed and their bodies defiled - then burned (so that the defiled body can't be resanctified.) Don't like it? Don't go into terror - find another line of work...

5-90

I hear you. I couldn't believe that stating the obvious was worth 5 minutes of CNN. Especially because in the end, I don't give a shit.

I've marked in bold the area where we agree. After that, if it makes you feel better, sure, but it's a waste of time. It won't impact terrorist recruitment in the slightest. I visualize irradicating terrorism in the way SF would clear a building: enter room 1 - pop,pop,pop - exit: enter room 2 - pop, pop, pop - exit: repeat...

[Glenn B]

not sure what the point of that is.... my comments come from proven facts not immature babble and blind belief. the laws of physics didn't set themselves to the side to allow the freefall collapse of two of the worlds best built towers to disintegrate into nothing... i choose to think for myself. blind ignorance is not patriotism. btw, it was bush's brother that was in charge of security at the wtc, AA and dulles... oh, if i put on that foil hat, that will suddenly mean nothing.... ok, i got it... thanks for the heads up.... i'll steer clear of anyone wearing one of those patriot caps...

Right, gotcha. It was President Bush's fault, or some other Bush in the Family.

You are welcome for the Heads Up. Glad you liked it. For too many, it will take yet another in a long series of terrorist attacks to wake them up.

[acrid]

Right, gotcha. It was President Bush's fault, or some other Bush in the Family.

You are welcome for the Heads Up. Glad you liked it. For too many, it will take yet another in a long series of terrorist attacks to wake them up.


i'm awake, and i did not mean to disrespect you in anyway, i hope that was not the intention of the foil cap comments.. my opinion is bush is an idiot, doesn't mean i want to see my country get f'ed up....

btw, if anyone tried to pull any boxcutter she-ite with me, they'd be wearing the bottom of my size ten steeltoes for dental bridges. i'll be the last one to roll over for any foreign terrorist, or even a local one for that matter....

my political views does not change the fact i love my country.

[Glenn B]

i'm awake, and i did not mean to disrespect you in anyway, i hope that was not the intention of the foil cap comments.. my opinion is bush is an idiot, doesn't mean i want to see my country get f'ed up....

btw, if anyone tried to pull any boxcutter she-ite with me, they'd be wearing the bottom of my size ten steeltoes for dental bridges. i'll be the last one to roll over for any foreign terrorist, or even a local one for that matter....

my political views does not change the fact i love my country.

Disrespect me? Hardly. Disrespect the Commander In Chief? Yes. you did. Based on that, I can only assume you are a Lefty, you support the NYT committing treason, and that you dislike the right.

But you are welcome to your opinion. Does not hurt me at all. :)

[5-90]

I hear you. I couldn't believe that stating the obvious was worth 5 minutes of CNN. Especially because in the end, I don't give a shit.

I've marked in bold the area where we agree. After that, if it makes you feel better, sure, but it's a waste of time. It won't impact terrorist recruitment in the slightest. I visualize irradicating terrorism in the way SF would clear a building: enter room 1 - pop,pop,pop - exit: enter room 2 - pop, pop, pop - exit: repeat...

Yes, defiling the bodies may be a waste of time, but I'd consider it necessary, borne of all the time we've wasted (30 years or so) since the fall of the Shah, when this really got going. If we'd started taking care of it right then, it would not be that big a problem...

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[acrid]

Disrespect me? Hardly. Disrespect the Commander In Chief? Yes. you did. Based on that, I can only assume you are a Lefty, you support the NYT committing treason, and that you dislike the right.

But you are welcome to your opinion. Does not hurt me at all. :)


ok, but you know what they same about assuming??? if calling someone out for not doing the job completely, is disrespectful, then i guess i did, but the last i checked, it wasn't. :thumbup: it would be safe to say that we both have different opinions that lead to the same result, protect the country.

[muduck18]

ok, but you know what they same about assuming??? if calling someone out for not doing the job completely, is disrespectful, then i guess i did, but the last i checked, it wasn't. :thumbup: it would be safe to say that we both have different opinions that lead to the same result, protect the country.




don't get me wrong, i love my country, i just hate my lying, stealing, cheating government. for instance, any other plane crashes in our history have been investigated in painstaking detail with forsensics for years to recreate the planes and located the most insignificant of every piece of the plane before releasing result as to what caused the "accident"... not so with any of the planes that were used in "9/11"... coincidence???? not likely, all the steel that was used in the building was certified by UL labs to be hi-grade, meaning that no jet fuel in the world could possibly destroy any piece of steel in that building. 2000f for jet fuel, 3000f for hi-grade steel.... we shipped out all the debris without any investigation to foreign countries???? these are facts, not hearsay.... i could go on and on, but then why bother, either people are aware of this already, or will just call me a "traitor", when in reality, i believe our biggest danger is our own "government"... i'm not the only one, many of our founding fathers had the same thing to say. i love my country, please don't take this the wrong way. its jmo.

I am sick and tired of people making opinions like this and raving on about how our government is to blame for everything.

btw you are wrong about the forensics on 9/11 most of the steel was trucked to shipyards in jersey. I guess that is kinda a foreign country.
also, the steel may have been hi-grade, but the jet fuel went down the center and then with he open air had forced air comming in through the center shaft, and as we all know... forced air+jet fuel can burn hotter than jet fuel. so keep with your assumptions because you won't believe what i have to say because you are from the left.. I get it.

FYI they figure that it would have taken several years to plan the attack in 911, and if i remember right... that would be planning during the clinton years, and your buddy was too busy geting it on in the whore er i mean white house.


Every thing is the presidents fault... last week I stubbed my toe on the curb outside... damn Bush got in my way...

[acrid]

I am sick and tired of people making opinions like this and raving on about how our government is to blame for everything.

btw you are wrong about the forensics on 9/11 most of the steel was trucked to shipyards in jersey. I guess that is kinda a foreign country.
also, the steel may have been hi-grade, but the jet fuel went down the center and then with he open air had forced air comming in through the center shaft, and as we all know... forced air+jet fuel can burn hotter than jet fuel. so keep with your assumptions because you won't believe what i have to say because you are from the left.. I get it.

FYI they figure that it would have taken several years to plan the attack in 911, and if i remember right... that would be planning during the clinton years, and your buddy was too busy geting it on in the whore er i mean white house.


Every thing is the presidents fault... last week I stubbed my toe on the curb outside... damn Bush got in my way...


elevator shafts were hermetically sealed, your opinion of my political beliefs are far from correct, jet fuel can only burn up to 2000f. assumptions, if that's all you got, that i will not continue to argue. sorry about your toe. besides, if you spent as much time investigating the facts as trying to flame me, you wouldn't be saying these things to me. i never came on here and bagged anyone here. show me the line where i put anyone down for their opinions? i never stated we deserved any terrorist attacks. i never put anyone down for expressing there views. i never said bush did it. i merely pointed out that all the "facts", that people blindly believe are not facts, just opinions stated and restated over and over again until people believe them.... for you to assume that i am a clinton lover is ignorant and dumb. yes, i do get, if i disagree with your opinion i must be a commie, or hippie, or _____ fill in the blank... i, on the other hand, respect different opinions and don't mind a good argument based on fact, this, however, is not productive, so i will not respond to any other comments meant to intimidate or belittle me..... like i said before, no disrespect intended, i value others opinions as much as my own, i just don't like being told that the facts i present are opinions. to each there own.... take that for what it's worth and remember, try not to make assumptions about people you know nothing about, like me.

[Glenn B]

And your "facts" may be different from other peoples "facts". You sure jumped on the defensive here. LOL. Might I suggest green tea, and double up on the layers of Tin Foil on that hat.

elevator shafts were hermetically sealed, your opinion of my political beliefs are far from correct, jet fuel can only burn up to 2000f. assumptions, if that's all you got, that i will not continue to argue. sorry about your toe. besides, if you spent as much time investigating the facts as trying to flame me, you wouldn't be saying these things to me. i never came on here and bagged anyone here. show me the line where i put anyone down for their opinions? i never stated we deserved any terrorist attacks. i never put anyone down for expressing there views. i never said bush did it. i merely pointed out that all the "facts", that people blindly believe are not facts, just opinions stated and restated over and over again until people believe them.... for you to assume that i am a clinton lover is ignorant and dumb. yes, i do get, if i disagree with your opinion i must be a commie, or hippie, or _____ fill in the blank... i, on the other hand, respect different opinions and don't mind a good argument based on fact, this, however, is not productive, so i will not respond to any other comments meant to intimidate or belittle me..... like i said before, no disrespect intended, i value others opinions as much as my own, i just don't like being told that the facts i present are opinions. to each there own.... take that for what it's worth and remember, try not to make assumptions about people you know nothing about, like me.

[Gil BullyKatz]

It seems this place is chock-full of guys with masters degrees in structural engineering, metalurgy and physics.

"A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing"

I've seen more believable armchair quarterbacking in a fantasy football league...

[BSH]

.... my comments come from proven facts not immature babble and blind belief. the laws of physics didn't set themselves to the side to allow the freefall collapse of two of the worlds best built towers to disintegrate into nothing... i choose to think for myself. [rather than rely on trained experts in any given field]

It's an interesting fact that Osama bin Laden knows more about structural engineering than acrid, having worked in the construction business for some time before going into the jihad business.

Better to say that the laws of physics don't set themselves aside for unsupported suppositions by uneducated consumer units. Which is all that acrid and other conspiracy loons have - baseless assumptions, unsupported suppositions, unfounded allegations. Without knowing anything about mass, gravity, inertia, metallurgy, chemistry, etc., they ignore the obvious truth in favor of the fantastic nonsense.

I love the one that says it was a missile that struck the Pentagon, because there was only a hole in the building, with no building collapse from the wings. As if a little flimsy sheet aluminum can overcome more than a foot of reinforced concrete & masonry. And ignoring the few hundred eyewitnesses driving by on I-395 not 200 yards away.

Sorry for being off-topic, I just can't stand the idiocies portrayed as unassailable truth by people without the intellectual ability to distinguish one from the other.

By the way, "hermetically sealed elevator shafts"??? Please go look up the meaning of "hermetic" in the dictionary.

P.S. I apologize to the loon species for denigrating them in this fashion. True loons are far more worthy creatures than the average 9/11 conspiracy nutjob, and deserve far more respect.

[muduck18]

Fact: The buildings fell - too many people died.

Fact: In the last week, I have had three people at work blame bush for 1.Gas prices, 2. 911, 3, un controled slaughter of innocents in iraq.

Fact: I don't have a "masters degrees in structural engineering, metalurgy and physics"

Oh well...

horray for freedom of speech...

[XJ Dreamin']

Yes, defiling the bodies may be a waste of time, but I'd consider it necessary, borne of all the time we've wasted (30 years or so) since the fall of the Shah, when this really got going. If we'd started taking care of it right then, it would not be that big a problem...

5-90

I understand. I've opined elsewhere that Desert Storm and the current engagement in Iraq have more to do with the past 48 years of US policy in the Middle East and somewhat less (although not exclusively) to do with current oil prices and Islamic terrorism. Granted, the terrorism is related to the history of US policies in the Middle East, but at this time that point is moot: for whatever reason it exists, it must be stopped. As to post-mortem treatments: whatever - just so long as it doesn't interfere with accomplishment of the primary objective. It's just, historically, defilement does not act as a deterrent. I wouldn't want to waste time on it when there are still rooms that need clearing.

Carry on.

[XJ Dreamin']

I gotta say, reading conspiracy posts is a lot like listening to Pacifica Radio: no real news - just a lot of unsubstantiated opinion and rumour peppered with colorful political name calling.

Don't get me wrong. I am liberal, myself, and the history of American politics is rife with conspiracies, but this stuff about a missile at the Pentagon and explosives in the Trade Towers is...WHOOHOO...out there, baby....

[NoCoastFocus]

Oh well...

horray for freedom of speech...

Horray for the Constitution! I think our Constitution has taken the biggest beating from everything that has happened in recent years. It is one of the greatest documents ever conceived and when it is overlooked to 'keep America safe' we walk on a very slippery slope...

[5-90]

I understand. I've opined elsewhere that Desert Storm and the current engagement in Iraq have more to do with the past 48 years of US policy in the Middle East and somewhat less (although not exclusively) to do with current oil prices and Islamic terrorism. Granted, the terrorism is related to the history of US policies in the Middle East, but at this time that point is moot: for whatever reason it exists, it must be stopped. As to post-mortem treatments: whatever - just so long as it doesn't interfere with accomplishment of the primary objective. It's just, historically, defilement does not act as a deterrent. I wouldn't want to waste time on it when there are still rooms that need clearing.

Carry on.

I shan't argue the basic utility of defiling the dead (it's going to be more for the living than the dead, IMO) - essentially, it would be as a deterrent to the remaining living, something to "look forward to," as it were.

Granted, at no time did I say that it should interfere with the basic mission - viz, eradication of remaining tangos.

However, one point I've been making remains unchanged - this will not be a war of attrition, it is a war of annihilation. It will never end, save for the total eradication of one side or the other, to the very last man. A political war or a war of resources, this ain't... Thus, the psychological aspect of it - we're dealing with people who believe that killing "infidels" is a one-way ticket to paradise. Convince them it's otherwise...

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[XJ Dreamin']

I shan't argue the basic utility of defiling the dead (it's going to be more for the living than the dead, IMO) - essentially, it would be as a deterrent to the remaining living, something to "look forward to," as it were.

Granted, at no time did I say that it should interfere with the basic mission - viz, eradication of remaining tangos.

However, one point I've been making remains unchanged - this will not be a war of attrition, it is a war of annihilation. It will never end, save for the total eradication of one side or the other, to the very last man. A political war or a war of resources, this ain't... Thus, the psychological aspect of it - we're dealing with people who believe that killing "infidels" is a one-way ticket to paradise. Convince them it's otherwise...

5-90

I think we agree on the basic mission. I guess I'm thinking that while, historically, defilement is not a significant deterrent, in this case restraint would not create any significant strategic advantage (except in terms of allied PR). Always remember, however, that to the rank-and-file Islamic terrorist this is a religious war, but to their leaders this is very much a political war.

[RyanM]

America is the greatest country in all the world to reside in.

That very statement makes it possible for our gov't, black ops, secret intelligence and what have you to do what they do and make up lies most of the storys they do which then is brainwashed into the american public through fox and other news stations. remember who does make the media.

yes our govt is corrupt, whose isn't. yes the conspiracy theory is usually true. IMO these arrests were over emphicized to make us think that we are still at war is still reasonable. they want us to me safe(most of the time) but always scared. it probably wouldnt work any other way.

just my thoughts, dont catch feelings

[XJ Dreamin']

America is the greatest country in all the world to reside in.

That very statement makes it possible for our gov't, black ops, secret intelligence and what have you to do what they do and make up lies most of the storys they do which then is brainwashed into the american public through fox and other news stations. remember who does make the media.

yes our govt is corrupt, whose isn't. yes the conspiracy theory is usually true. IMO these arrests were over emphicized to make us think that we are still at war is still reasonable. they want us to me safe(most of the time) but always scared. it probably wouldnt work any other way.

just my thoughts, dont catch feelings

Have you ever watched the TV show 'Monk'. He separates his food. One type of food here, another type there. Try that with your thoughts, and then mark them off with punctuation.

[XJ Dreamin']

Horray for the Constitution! I think our Constitution has taken the biggest beating from everything that has happened in recent years. It is one of the greatest documents ever conceived and when it is overlooked to 'keep America safe' we walk on a very slippery slope...

There ya' go ---> http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/17/domesticspying.lawsuit.ap/index.html

[XJ Dreamin']

It's titled:

Their turn...

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/POLITICS/analysis/toons/2006/06/21/lang/cnnlangtoon062106.jpg
Bob Lang
Indiana native Lang is an award-winning editorial cartoonist whose work appears in many newspapers and conservative newsletters.

I thought the beaver was kinda cute :)

[acrid]

It's an interesting fact that Osama bin Laden knows more about structural engineering than acrid, having worked in the construction business for some time before going into the jihad business.

Better to say that the laws of physics don't set themselves aside for unsupported suppositions by uneducated consumer units. Which is all that acrid and other conspiracy loons have - baseless assumptions, unsupported suppositions, unfounded allegations. Without knowing anything about mass, gravity, inertia, metallurgy, chemistry, etc., they ignore the obvious truth in favor of the fantastic nonsense.

I love the one that says it was a missile that struck the Pentagon, because there was only a hole in the building, with no building collapse from the wings. As if a little flimsy sheet aluminum can overcome more than a foot of reinforced concrete & masonry. And ignoring the few hundred eyewitnesses driving by on I-395 not 200 yards away.

Sorry for being off-topic, I just can't stand the idiocies portrayed as unassailable truth by people without the intellectual ability to distinguish one from the other.

By the way, "hermetically sealed elevator shafts"??? Please go look up the meaning of "hermetic" in the dictionary.

P.S. I apologize to the loon species for denigrating them in this fashion. True loons are far more worthy creatures than the average 9/11 conspiracy nutjob, and deserve far more respect.


thanks for the misquote..... [.....] obviously added by you, proves the point i was making. you're ability to call me out makes you the king of intelligence, as we all know, i'm just a crackpot who drives a jeep and pays my taxes like everyone else on the left coast. as if i sent invitations to all terrorists saying, make it look like we did it to ourselves to give us a reason to control the oil in the middle east... damn thanks for nailing it right on the head.... you got me....... happy now???? lol. btw, i said nothing of the pentagon. so if you're going slap my name all over misquotes anyone with half a brain will see that and understand what is going on here, get out the tar and feathers.

[XJ Dreamin']

This one cracked me up.

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/POLITICS/analysis/toons/2006/03/24/lang/cnnlangtoon032106.jpg
Bob Lang
Indiana native Lang is an award-winning editorial cartoonist whose work appears in many newspapers and conservative newsletters.

Bagdad Walmart. If that don't convert them to democracy, nothing will :)

[XJ Dreamin']

For 5-90. Yeah. I'm going to have to fly out in October for my kid sister's wedding (I won't have time to drive...) and I'm seriously considering wearing a loincloth and sandals. Maybe send a message?

http://img.timeinc.net/time/cartoons/20060812/1.jpg

[XJ Dreamin']

...and one for the global warming thread.

http://img.timeinc.net/time/cartoons/20060812/7.jpg

[Wolfe]

People like to blame US foriegn policy for all the trouble, personally I just dont get it. I can still have my own identity with in my own country regardless of US imperialism. Now maybe thats because our two countries are so similar to begin with. However, I do see a problem with Islamic Fascism and I think it will only get worse. Should we guard ourselves against it? Hell yes, But how? The funny thing is most terrorist dont run around in sheets yelling "Allah Akbar" its the ones that blend in and assimilate, waiting for the right time to act. Dont beleive me, Ok , the guys in the UK, all from middle class families. I also think we are too complacent in the way we just accept how some media. The media has incredible power in transmitting propaganda. The way Cnn international reports is different to the way you see it report, their bias is slanted more towards Muslims, same with the BBC, on the otherhand Fox is quite right - wing in its approach.

[XJ Dreamin']

People like to blame US foreign policy for all the trouble, personally I just dont get it. I can still have my own identity with in my own country regardless of US imperialism. Now maybe that's because our two countries are so similar to begin with. However, I do see a problem with Islamic Fascism and I think it will only get worse. Should we guard ourselves against it? Hell yes, But how? The funny thing is most terrorist dont run around in sheets yelling "Allah Akbar" its the ones that blend in and assimilate, waiting for the right time to act. Dont believe me, Ok , the guys in the UK, all from middle class families. I also think we are too complacent in the way we just accept how some media. The media has incredible power in transmitting propaganda. The way CNN international reports is different to the way you see it report, their bias is slanted more towards Muslims, same with the BBC, on the other hand Fox is quite right - wing in its approach.

It's not American Imperialism - it's American consumerism. We don't really want to take over other countries. We certainly don't want to have to legislate internal affairs in other countries. That's all a real PITA, as Britain can attest. All we want is a steady supply of the things we 'need' at a comfortable price. To that end, American foreign policy has been rather arrogant and, at times, down right aggressive. That's pissed-off some people here and there around the world over the years. Take, for example, the Dole banana republic policies in Central America: the Sandinistas, etc. When we do get into another country's business we tend to be heavy handed. Somewhat like a proctologist with really big hands. We've been up the Middle East's bum ever since the British gave us the opportunity, after WWII (and even before that in the form of Standard and Texaco).

Now don't flame me, everybody, but I can see where some people might think they have a beef with us. Hold on! Hold on! I'm just saying that the history of our actions in the region does provide fuel for some ill will toward us. It does not sanction terrorism. Let me be crystal clear on that point. Terrorism can never be sanctioned. It does make it easier for someone like Bin Landin to recruit terrorists from among the Islamic fundamentalists.

However, it is important to understand (and I hope that US Intelligence understands) that Bin Laden and his upper level organizers don't give a flip about Islam. They are interested in power. Bin Laden is a classic example of the megalomaniacal dictator - right in there with Hitler, Lenin, Pol Pot, and Hussein, to name a very few. His interests are, if he's still alive (and for as long as he is alive), to set himself up as The One in control of everything. The fact that he was born and raised in Saudi Arabia is the only factor that ties him to Islam. If he had been born in Austria in 1889, he and Hitler would have had to duke it out for control of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.

All that said, the only thing that really matters is, terrorism must not be. It has to be stopped. We can worry about why it exists and apologize to everybody for all our past indiscretions after. First and foremost - put an end to terrorism.


Oh...and keep the oil flowing. Mustn't forget about that.

Finally, the media has their own agenda - to sell advertising. Glean what you can of facts from whatever source - their motivation is to sell advertising. I don't give them any more credit than that, and that quite a few of the reporters and actors, I mean anchors suffer from a touch of megalomania, themselves (especially, Mindless O'Brien and Solonad O'Brien - HEY YOU TWO! STFU and let your guests speak for cryin' out loud! Shees!).