Suggestions for a better America

[Trail-Axe]

What are your personal ideas for what would make for a better America. Post what you feel would make us stronger as a nation, and healthier as a people. I will start with my personal suggestion. Please respect the opinions of others, and try and add something that would promote unity amongst us as an association (NAXJA), and as Americans.

Any man can point out the faults of others. No one is truly independent. We all need each other to survive. No one always does what is right. We all need to do our part, and that involves forgiveness, integrity, and courage.

No country is perfect, and no political party is always right. But America is still the best place on earth to live as free men. And no one's religion is perfect either. Religion is man's attempt to make himself acceptable to a holy God, and it never works for long. So religion should never be used to condemn another; especially someone who does not share your religious views or level of understanding.

I personally have a very real relationship with Jesus Christ. He is alive, and I love Him and serve Him. But I do not think anyone should be judged because they do not have this same relationship. No one will ever be made to believe anything when they are condemned by others who are just as guilty as the one condemning them.

Throwing spears of insult at those we really do not know does nothing to make America a better place. It divides us, and does not unite us. There are ways to make America a better place, and I believe that involves making yourself a better person. We all have faults, and we all know what they are with out anyone else telling us. If we individually do what is right, then for that brief moment in time, in that tiny place in space, the world around us will be better off.

It is high time we stopped complaining about the other guy not getting it right, and started helping each other out when we can; like we do when we are out 4-wheeling and a total stranger brakes down or gets stuck. Its times like these that we pull along side each other and really shine. Its times like these that I am really proud that I am a member of this off road community.

Gar

[Boatwrench]

Manadatory service. Either military or the former(?) VISTA program.

[ZacSquatch]

I second that..

Legalize certain drugs and such as well.

[1sickhick]

Well I think you about covered it.Life would be alot easyer if people would take responsability for there actions.NAXJA

[kdailey4315]

I actually like the idea of mandatory service. Also any illegal immigrant we chatch crossing the border should have the option of fighting in the war in exchange for citizenship when his tour of duty or the war is over, which ever is first. They would be paid the normal rate while fighting also. If they refused they are deported or shot.

NO GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE. I don't feel like going to a place like the DMv when I'm sick

[Sniggs]

Stop pandering to those that feel that they are entitled.

Want the stray cat to leave? Stop feeding the goddamned thing!

[Harlee&Tahoe]

As a nation I feel we would all benefit from clear communication with each other. The english language (read,write, and speak) should be a requirement.

If you have ever traveled abroad, most really try to learn the local language. If you don't try, it can be taken as disrespectful and locals will offer less accomodating assistance. If you're in France you may recieve no assistance at all and catch a bad B.O. draft.
Even in Mexico you're a gringo and may be taken for a ride if you cannot speak a lick of Spanish, however as soon as you catch them and let them know "what's up" in Spanish things can turn quickly.

Going to DMV scares me forms to apply for a drivers license come in many languages, but no signage in any area are multilingual!

Calling any bussiness now the first option is for Spanish.

We make it too easy not to need to learn the basics.


As for the NAXJA orginazation members and visitors,
Say what you mean, and mean what you say.
It is your responsibility to uphold the integrity and honesty your parents (or similar figure) have passed or tried to pass on.
Would you do it if your Grandparents were with you?
If you wouldn't Don't do it!

Common courtesies like: blinker before braking, blinker period, driving slow in the "slow lane", and for the sympathy brakers...I will not even go there.
Brake checkers fall under same category as sympathy brakers, I have special manuvers for them (high beam and fogs, really piss me off I'll pass drop to 2nd. gear letting tires partially lockup and smoke as they poop a little:gee:)

[Harlee&Tahoe]

Legalize certain drugs and such as well.

Ever been to Amsterdam?:greensmok:cheers:
More than coffee in those shops
Surprisingly little crime. Must be Darwin's law. Just like mandatory service enrollment. But still a good idea

[5-90]

1) Reduce the number of laws and government intervention into bloody everything.

2) Make people take responsibility not only for their actions, but for themselves, their security, their problems, and the like. I don't need to be protected from myself, and I can protect myself from others. Why can't other people do the same, and why do I need laws to protect me from me?

3) Term limits. Politicians get far too comfortable in their jobs, and spend far too many years breathing rarefied air. Top them out at, say, a dozen years of service - total. No retirement, and we're paying them too much for what we're getting (if they were paid according to quality of work, then they would have to pay us for permission to work...)

4) Reduction of size - there are too many mid-level functionaries doing little more than making things difficult for other people, simply because they can and they've nothing better to do (and probably can't do anything useful anyhow, from what I've seen.) I'm willing to bet we could reduce government/civil "service" personnel by about a third with no ill effects - except for unqualified people having to join the workforce. Put them through trade school, or just give them brooms and idiot sticks and put them to work...

You know, I've been thinking about this sort of thing for years. If we reduce government presence and government intervention into everydamnthing, we're likely to see people end up having to learn to fend for themselves (which is rapidly becoming a lost art) or leaving in droves for somewhere that actually wants to control people's daily lives (no great loss.) I just haven't gotten the monograph to crystallise yet - but I know there's one back here in my mind somewhere...

[88xjlover]

My suggestion for a better world is stop worrying about a relationship with someone or thing that can't talk back to you. Let's not forget that man wrote the bible, koran, etc. I'm not saying that these aren't good suggestions for how to live a better life but that people have turned these suggestions into rules and laws to better suit their personal needs. I grew up in a religious environment and it taught me nothing about being a better person..... My parents taught me how to deal fairly and kindly (when applicable) with others.
I really have a problem when religion is confused with common sense.
It may seem like I'm some tree hugger, not at all. There is a place for everything and sometime's refusing help to some complete idiot on the trail (after explaining not to do something, etc.) may be the best lesson for that person.
I gotta stop postin' when I'm drunk!:cheers:

[RichP]

I'm not super religious but have been in enough bad situations where the only choices were either praying or going mad. I've always tried to live by the golden rule and the ten commandments. Maybe a non religious version of those kind of rules needs to be standardized, they keep people pretty civilized and are simple enough for any idiot to memorize.
Term limits and way out of scale benefits to elected officials, they should have the same benefits as a service member, have to use the same medical facilities as military members, their financial records should be an open book including tax returns, how they put their kids thru Harvard or Princeton and how they afforded that second or third home in Hawaii or Bali.
Get rid of the IRS and use a fair or flat tax, too many people make too many careers out of tax codes, both in complying and beating tax laws.
Reduce the federal government at least 50% and get it back to what it was designed for, protection of the country and commerce, they do neither now to any great length.
For the next 20 years require any new laws that are passed to be balanced by TWO laws removed in the same category.
I'd like to see Sunday come back as a 'day or rest' not for religious reasons but because it tends to get family together,
Prosecute the Chamber of Commerce for supporting business hiring of illegal aliens, I'm a member and just noticed their 'stance' on the issue, I'm not renewing, the chamber is a lobbying group in disguise.
I'm only halfway thru my first morning cupa so I'm not really awake yet.
Balanced trade, if Intel wants to build a R&D and chip factory in China because of 'cheap labor to run an automated facility' make them pay thru the nose to import chips back into the country, same with any corporation that moves a portion of their business overseas. OH, the reason I'm militant on this is I've overheard more than a few conversations of the 'benefits' and 'bonuses' those countries pay to executives and decision makers to locate there.

[TRNDRVR]

I personally have a very real relationship with Jesus Christ. He is alive, and I love Him and serve Him.:sure:

lastara


Get organized religion out of our politics!

[Kejtar]

Manadatory service. Either military or the former(?) VISTA program.
x2

[Vince]

I'd like to see Sunday come back as a 'day or rest' not for religious reasons but because it tends to get family together
That's an interesting thought, and last year I may have agreed with you. However, since moving to Switzerland, my family has noticed that we actually spend less time together than we did in the UK where Sunday and 24hr trading are legal. Working on a Sunday is illegal without a permit in Switzerland. This includes mowing the lawn, washing your car, doing the laundry or tidying your home!

Less time for the family at weekends in Switzerland may be partly in consequence to grocery stores not being open after 5:30pm and before 8:30am in Switzerland. Most Swiss families have to spend Saturday shopping or doing household jobs as neither are legal on Sunday. Consequently, with everybody doing recreational things on Sunday, places that you would expect to be able to relax and enjoy family time at are actually busy.

I would rather have the choice to do my shopping at 11pm than have my weekends controlled by the government. If you want to spend more time with your family you don't need a law to do this, you just ask and organize it yourself.

[98XJSport]

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g26/Rhutchinson123/tes.jpg

Ive been waiting to use this...:roll:

[Stumpalump]

My fellow Americans!
I believe if we can put a man on the moon then we should be able to drill a hole thru the earth and suck the oil from right out under the middle east!

Seriously this is an excelent thread. I'll hit on 2.

Drugs,all drugs,prescription or illegal substances,medical procedures like getting an X-Ray or cat scan should all be availabe to me because I am free. Take away the power of the doctors and give it to the people and a free market. With this new freedom from the medical comunity also make it so if you are an employee or get any kind of goverment assistance than you will be reponsible for providing a blood,urine or hair sample to prove you don't abuse. Abuse it then loose it as far as job or goverment check goes.

Eliminate prisons and replace them with "A Round In the Room". Steal a car get 3 rounds in the room. Rape a chick maybe 7 rounds. 2nd offence shoplifting gets a round in the room. 2'nd or 3rd DUI gets a round in the room. bank rober say 5 rounds. Identity theft 7 rounds. This is a round in the room: You get sentanced to 3 rounds in a room so they put you in a room with 10 of your fellow convicts. At total random a hydrolic ram smashes one of you. You all stay and help hose the mess down. You are held to the same thing for two more rounds and if you make it you are free to go. I think a lot of folks will avoid things that will land them a round in the room.
Lets just say it's a way to make criminals pay harder while costing us less.

Whos got a plan to straighten out our lawers? Why the hell do I have to pay a lawer to file an uncontested divorce? It's a racket that needs fixing.

[HaleYes]

Public hangings.

[RNMedic]

Drugs,all drugs,prescription or illegal substances,medical procedures like getting an X-Ray or cat scan should all be available to me because I am free. Take away the power of the doctors and give it to the people and a free market. With this new freedom from the medical community also make it so if you are an employee or get any kind of government assistance than you will be responsible for providing a blood,urine or hair sample to prove you don't abuse. Abuse it then loose it as far as job or government check goes.


the Docs don't have the power, the insurance companies do. They dictate what will be paid, how much, what testing needs to be ordered etc.

Speak English if you live here, and lets all get the same benefits our politicians have. Better still have them use Social Security, bet you it'll get fixed then

[Jeepsloth]

Manadatory service. Either military or the former(?) VISTA program.

We need to take this one step further and follow Heinlein's lead in "Starship Troopers".
If you don't serve you can't vote or be an elected official.

Next would be tort reform...

Then we could start working on the personal responsibility thing. Let people know if you do something stupid it's your own fault. The idea of holding the rest of us responsible for your dumb decisions or passing legislation because you're too stupid not to drink the acid out of a car battery???

[JNickel101]

www.fairtax.org (http://www.fairtax.org)

then everyone pays tax - illegal or not. dont have to worry about people cheating income tax laws, or just flat out not paying taxes b/c they don't have a SSN

Oh, and get rid of social security. I hate paying money for something I'll never see. While we're at it, if you choose to smoke, or if you're grossly obese, you should sign a waiver saying you won't use government medical aid. I also hate paying money for a program b/c other people choose to not take care of themselves - and now they're on thousands of dollars of prescription drugs or oxygen tanks b/c.

Reduce taxes on gas...increase them on tobacco/alcohol.

BUILD THE DAMN WALL ON OUR SOUTHERN BORDER

More money to prisons...get rid of quality of life there....just increase the space so we can keep those who are unfit for society locked up, and not letting them out on parole b/c the prison is "overcrowded"

or just take all criminals and dump them on an abandoned, deserted island in the middle of the Pacific. Let them all kill/rape each other...

[Stumpalump]

the Docs don't have the power, the insurance companies do. They dictate what will be paid, how much, what testing needs to be ordered etc.

And thats good for a lot of conditions but why can't I go get an arm X-rayed after a fall without first haveing to go to pay regular doctor visit? And why can I go to mexico and by 250 Amoxcillian antibiotics for 11 bucks Yet I pay a doctor and a copay $50 for 10 pills. Hell I know if I have a sinus infection or a fever that needs antibiotic's and if they were available to all Americans cheaper than your co-pay then insurance would only gain. Hell let them make up a short quiz for all medicins that you must pass before the sell them to you. I have mild skin cancer and evertime I go to a doc they want to sent 10 samples to the lab for testing $$$. Last time I said why? Doc said to see if they are cancer. I said but I just told you I have a history and you just said it was cancer so why the biopsy? He finally caved and froze off all the spots and I left. He billed the insurance about 70 bucks per spot and all he did was spray nitrogen on the spots. it took 15 seconds for all. I think if I could just walk in and say frezze these spots it would be cheaper and Americans would edjucate themselfs on how to treat common things. All common medicine should be availabe. I got a toothpast sized tube of real athlets foot cream in Mexico for 10 bucks. It knocks that crap out with two applications. The over the counter crap we get here is like 2% as strong and it takes 20 bucks to knock out one case of it. I travel and pick it up from airports and hotels and if I had to pay a doctor or pay 20 bucks every time I got it then it would cost me a lot. Go to Mexico and get a 3 year supply of good stuff for 10 bucks. Antibiotics for me the wife kids and dog for $11 that lasts 4 years. Medical and leagal systems are a racket controlled by a few. Thats bad in a free society.

[ECKSJAY]

http://www.ronpaul2008.com

[RichP]

And thats good for a lot of conditions but why can't I go get an arm X-rayed after a fall without first haveing to go to pay regular doctor visit?

Much of that is true, look at the laser and sonic eye surgery, when it came out it was like $5000 and eye, now it's down to $1500 for both eyes. The reason is it's not covered under most medical plans so the people who provide the service have to compete for people with the cash to pay for it, price came down dramatically. I know in other countries you don't need the doctor to buy medicine, however in some of those places you may not know what you are buying or getting in the bottle. One of the causes of drug resistant STD's was hookers in say vietnam would only take enough of the drugs to get rid of the symptoms and not totally knock it out, ended up with resistant strains of the clap as a result. We need another level of medical care, Phys assistants are one possibility, someone you can go to for recommended treatment or recommended course of treatment, more of an advisor who can tell you how much and for how long to take a drug to ensure it does its job. How may here have taken antibiotics only long enough till the problem was over and then said screw it, I'll save the other half for next time.

[Trail-Axe]

I received the following PM's from a non paying member. With his permission, I have posted his views on what he thinks would make America a better place. This is a one time deal to show this non-paying member some support, and hopefully encourage him and others like him to become paying members. He did not ask me to do this, but after I suggested it, he agreed. It’s a one time deal, so if there are any other non-paying members that wish to post a reply to this thread, or any other threads, please consider supporting this association and start enjoying NAXJA to its fullest.

Merry Christmas Gill,
Gar



Gill41083 wrote:
I tried to post on the better America thread but I was locked out. You should make it accessible to every one; considering it is something that applies to every one, seeing that every one has an effect on the world, every ones opinion should be able to be heard.

Personally I think we should treat every day in life like a day on the trail. If some one is stuck between a rock and a hard spot and just needs a small tug to get going again, what do we do? We give them the small tug to get them on their way and we hope that if we our self get in the same situation, the favor will be returned; be it by the person we helped or a total stranger.

If every one thought this way I think the world would be a better place. If it is some thing that takes a little more than a small tug or a push, usually a few people will help that person who is stuck, whether its mechanical skills, physical labor, spare parts they have, or just plain moral support. If we treated every day like we were wheeling, America would be a little better. Remember; "Do to others as you would want done to you." I’m not as in touch with the man upstairs as I should be, or even sure if he is there, but those are good words to live by. I could go on and compare more things but I think I pretty much got my point across LOL.

Thanks for your time,
GILL

-Yeah I think I have to be a paying member to get in there!! lol. That would be cool if you could throw my 2 cents in there; I did post a similar thread on the North West chapter and copied it to there.

[RyanM]

What makes me mad is A child porn predator, convicted, or a Sick phuck Rapist, will only spend minimal time in jail. Yet the guy down the street gets thrown in the state pen for 35 years in jail because he was selling grams of cocaine.

Mandatory service for everyone? how would you like to go fight a war when everyone in your squad speaks a different language.

I Believe that US war to secure oil and energy (like what is happening) is a good Idea. We must keep building our arms because china is stepping on our toes, and our sources. They are setting up programs all over the world with number 1, IRAN. We must cut everyone else off and save all the earths crude for ourselves!!!

Fix the messed up trade policy, or just don't buy chinese dog food and toys people!!!!!! Buy American!!!

The world is always gonna be phucked up until the end. Might as well deal with it. Just hopefully we, America, can play the role of Cain.!!! It's our only way for survival :D

[RyanM]

http://www.ronpaul2008.com
yes I love this man.




As for pills, there is always gonna be an FDA. Your always gonna have to take chemicals to treat your condition, never will they give you a pill that cures you, (where will they get more money from). If one company says there product 'cures' a condtion, they will get sued by the FDA, because they didnt pay the billion dollars to label it a drug. And the system will continue... Though it is possible, don't expect to find a cure for AIDs anytime soon, as the gov't purposely infected gay males with it when they were giving out 'hepatitis' immunity. Though, I don't give a F about gays, this is the wrong form of 'population control' we should be using. And incase your wondering, HIV was a engineered virus.

Pro choice! If anyone thinks killing an embryo is killing a human, god help you. That same kid that didn't get aborted will be same one to grow up with no Dad, and a F'd up Mom, who will do harm to you or your family.

[Stumpalump]

never will they give you a pill that cures you, (where will they get more money from). If one company says there product 'cures' a condtion, they will get sued by the FDA, because they didnt pay the billion dollars to label it a drug. And the system will continue... Though it is possible, don't expect to find a cure for AIDs anytime soon, as the gov't purposely infected gay males with it when they were giving out 'hepatitis' immunity. Though, I don't give a F about gays, this is the wrong form of 'population control' we should be using. And incase your wondering, HIV was a engineered virus.

You sound like a nut job conspspiricy therorist with bad anti social and anti goverment madness..... I like that!

[Harlee&Tahoe]

or just take all criminals and dump them on an abandoned, deserted island in the middle of the Pacific. Let them all kill/rape each other...

Where are we going to find another Australia???

[RichP]

Where are we going to find another Australia???

We already have one, it's called Cuba, why not, Castro sent his back during that amnesty thing, we should reciprocate and send ours in return, after all it's only fair.

[WB9YZU]

Suggestions...

When election time comes, vote.

Become involved, even if just to the point where you follow local concerns.
It's your neighborhood, your town/villiage/city, your state, and your country. If you didn't even bother to vote, you can't complain about the outcome.

People need to get in touch with the constitution and bill of rights, especially judges whome, I am fairly sure by the judgements that have been handed down, certainly have not read and understood Amendment #1 or #2.

Ron

[Captain Ron]

Suggestions...

When election time comes, vote.

Become involved, even if just to the point where you follow local concerns.
It's your neighborhood, your town/villiage/city, your state, and your country. If you didn't even bother to vote, you can't complain about the outcome.

People need to get in touch with the constitution and bill of rights, especially judges whome, I am fairly sure by the judgements that have been handed down, certainly have not read and understood Amendment #1 or #2.

Ron

Die of malaria. Then come back and preach the vote.

:D

--ron

[ZacSquatch]

Where are we going to find another Australia???

Antarctica

[5-90]

Antartica

No, I like Antarctica...

Judges also tend to not give juries instructions for "Jury Nullification," which is another means by which a law may be rescinded - without going through the politicians, first.

Look it up sometime.

[Ray H]

Im totally against manditory service. Not that I think serving is a bad thing, I did it for eight years in two different branches and it was a very good experience for me. The reason I dont like manditory service for everyone is because I dont believe that the government of a "free" nation should be forcing adults into service. Sorta defeats the whole "freedom of choice" in my opinion.
Anyway, heres what I think would be a step in the right direction. Less federal government involvement in our day to day lives. The federal government should stay out of state business.
Our federal government was based on a union of individual states who had their own fully functioning governments. The federal governments only function was to enact and enforce laws that effected the union as a whole and they stayed out of the individual state matters. The problem with the federal government being involved with every aspect of our lives is that we've lost control of it now. Try contacting the President of the U.S. to tell him how you feel about a particular matter, you cant do it, no way, no how. Now try contacting a governor, you can actually talk with him if you have patience. The point is that the federal government is so far removed and out of touch with your needs and my needs, yet they're making decisions that effect us directly.

[JNickel101]

We already have one, it's called Cuba, why not, Castro sent his back during that amnesty thing, we should reciprocate and send ours in return, after all it's only fair.

Cuba is too close. They will all just get in a rubber raft and float back to Florida.

I vote for Wake Island....or even Diego Garcia (Indian Ocean) - we could do weapons testing at said island as well.

[Ironmen77]

Anyway, heres what I think would be a step in the right direction. Less federal government involvement in our day to day lives. The federal government should stay out of state business.
Our federal government was based on a union of individual states who had their own fully functioning governments. The federal governments only function was to enact and enforce laws that effected the union as a whole and they stayed out of the individual state matters. The problem with the federal government being involved with every aspect of our lives is that we've lost control of it now.

A good place to start, Repeal the 17th amendent. The states are not represented at the federal level now, so the feds can mandate any program they want and the states are stuck with making it work.

[Trail-Axe]

Im totally against manditory service. Not that I think serving is a bad thing, I did it for eight years in two different branches and it was a very good experience for me. The reason I dont like manditory service for everyone is because I dont believe that the government of a "free" nation should be forcing adults into service. Sorta defeats the whole "freedom of choice" in my opinion.
Anyway, heres what I think would be a step in the right direction. Less federal government involvement in our day to day lives. The federal government should stay out of state business.
Our federal government was based on a union of individual states who had their own fully functioning governments. The federal governments only function was to enact and enforce laws that effected the union as a whole and they stayed out of the individual state matters. The problem with the federal government being involved with every aspect of our lives is that we've lost control of it now. Try contacting the President of the U.S. to tell him how you feel about a particular matter, you cant do it, no way, no how. Now try contacting a governor, you can actually talk with him if you have patience. The point is that the federal government is so far removed and out of touch with your needs and my needs, yet they're making decisions that effect us directly.

Nicely said.

[5-90]

Cuba is too close. They will all just get in a rubber raft and float back to Florida.

I vote for Wake Island....or even Diego Garcia (Indian Ocean) - we could do weapons testing at said island as well.

Wake Island? Sure. Not Diego - we've got a satellite tracking and telemetry station there, and no real useful alternate location for the place.

[Trail-Axe]

Wake Island? Sure. Not Diego - we've got a satellite tracking and telemetry station there, and no real useful alternate location for the place.

The water there (DG) was the nicest and clearest shark invested water I have ever seen.

[mud1059]

Ron Paul wouldn't be oblivious to the media if he was a black Mormon woman.

[Trail-Axe]

Ron Paul wouldn't be oblivious to the media if he was a black Mormon woman.

:huh:

[1985xjlaredo]

Make everyone learn the Constitution!
Make everyone memorize the Bill of Rights!
Destroy RAP music!
Abolish welfare!
Kill Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton!
Vote Bill Cosby in as President!
Next time we declare war on someone, do it right and kill everyone who gets in our way. Don't pussy foot around with smart bombs, and worry about collateral damage. We took down Iraq in 4 days 2 times now, and now we are getting our ass handed to us because we want to win hearts and minds. Blow the shit out of all of them till none of them want to fight. Shouldve learnt the lesson that was given to us by Japan and Germany. Which is; ok ok you have whooped our ass so much that we wont fight now. We welcome you to help us rebuild and control parts of our lives for a while. And yes you can build you permanent air base and Marine headquarters here cause if we say no you might beat the shit out of us again.
BUILD THE WALL AND KEEP THEM OUT! KICK THEM OUT AS WELL!
SHOOT ALL THE WHINEY BITCH LIBERALS AND DEMOCRATS WHO SCREWED UP THIS COUNTRY IN THE LAST 30 YEARS!
There are so many things wrong with this country, most of all is that THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY DON"T GIVE A DAM ABOUT WHAT THIS COUNTRY MEANS AND STANDS FOR! There is so much wrong with this country now that I am glad Canada is close by.

[JNickel101]

The water there (DG) was the nicest and clearest shark invested water I have ever seen.

We've also got lots of staged bombers there :) B-1s and B-52s, plus assorted other stuff :)

[BruceB83]

Make everyone learn the Constitution!
Make everyone memorize the Bill of Rights!
Destroy RAP music!
Abolish welfare!
BUILD THE WALL AND KEEP THEM OUT! KICK THEM OUT AS WELL!
SHOOT ALL THE WHINEY BITCH LIBERALS AND DEMOCRATS WHO SCREWED UP THIS COUNTRY IN THE LAST 30 YEARS!

Your first few points are spot on. If everybody receives a GOOD education growing up...alot of our problems will go away because people will then understand how things need to work.

[5-90]

Next time we declare war on someone, do it right and kill everyone who gets in our way.

One thing I'd like to see - let everyone who votes in favour of going to war also select their interim replacements. They can then lead line units - no working in HHC or as REMFs for them!

War won't go away anytime soon - human nature will see to it. What we can do is make war a personal issue. Make sure that Congresscritters know that, if they vote to support a war, they'll be in it - and with no "special protection." They can be line-animals going forward with the rest of the troops.

That will force them to examine the cause to make sure it is just, and that will also get some of this political pussyfooting under control at a stroke.

Wat say you?

[Trail-Axe]

One thing I'd like to see - let everyone who votes in favour of going to war also select their interim replacements. They can then lead line units - no working in HHC or as REMFs for them!

War won't go away anytime soon - human nature will see to it. What we can do is make war a personal issue. Make sure that Congresscritters know that, if they vote to support a war, they'll be in it - and with no "special protection." They can be line-animals going forward with the rest of the troops.

That will force them to examine the cause to make sure it is just, and that will also get some of this political pussyfooting under control at a stroke.

Wat say you?

Sounds good in theory, and I hear where you are coming from, but would you really want to take orders from any of the politicians we have in office now, in combat? For one, most of them are way too old to hump a ruck, and I doubt they could shoot straight under fire. Heck, most of them can't even do that with words!

[IndyXJ]

Not letting kids quit high school at all. Why is that even an option?? That is one thing I would think we could all agree to on here. I don't know every state's laws, but can't some kids quit at 16?

[5-90]

Sounds good in theory, and I hear where you are coming from, but would you really want to take orders from any of the politicians we have in office now, in combat? For one, most of them are way too old to hump a ruck, and I doubt they could shoot straight under fire. Heck, most of them can't even do that with words!

Which is why I want to make them line-animals, not ossifers. Are you kidding? I wouldn't take orders from pols - fraggings would likely be bad enough in making them privates!

Besides, making them E-1's or E-2's would add to them making sure they're doing the right thing - not only will they be in harm's way, but they'll be at the bottom of the totem pole, and lose all their power and influence. They become buck privates for the duration of the war - or until they're offed, whichever comes first.

[The Hard Struggler]

Having read every post on this thread, I think that to see where this country is headed you must look at history. Every country that has ever held sway over the world, or then known world, as America does now has risen, grown powerful and prosperous, then oppressive, then collapses either from within or from a stronger nation.
It is the nature of ALL governments to grow, eventually to their own demise. Egyptian, Incan, Persian/Arab, Greek, Roman, British all followed this trend. It's folly to believe that America will not.
Just as surely as the sun will rise in the morning, one day there will be no United States of America, at least as we know it. I'm not crying sour grapes, I love my country and all our freedoms, and hope we can keep it together for some time to come, but its end will come someday.
This subject can be disscused forever. Live well, provide and protect you and yours, defend your freedoms as best you can, be a good citizen are really the best suggestions for our country.

[Darky]

I think one thing that can help America would be to end the senseless bickering and name calling. Nothing is gained when someone puts out an argument and the next person says shut up you're an idiot. That's the basis of what happens in America whenever religion and politics are mentioned. It'd be nice to have a discussion between two people of different beliefs and not have one say the other is an idiot and the other tell the one they're evil...
Civility, that'd be nice to have make a come back. Especially on the road.

[Ba-Riedo]

Having read every post on this thread, I think that to see where this country is headed you must look at history. Every country that has ever held sway over the world, or then known world, as America does now has risen, grown powerful and prosperous, then oppressive, then collapses either from within or from a stronger nation.
It is the nature of ALL governments to grow, eventually to their own demise. Egyptian, Incan, Persian/Arab, Greek, Roman, British all followed this trend. It's folly to believe that America will not.
Just as surely as the sun will rise in the morning, one day there will be no United States of America, at least as we know it. I'm not crying sour grapes, I love my country and all our freedoms, and hope we can keep it together for some time to come, but its end will come someday.
This subject can be disscused forever. Live well, provide and protect you and yours, defend your freedoms as best you can, be a good citizen are really the best suggestions for our country.


I really hate to admit it but I agree with you, America will not be conquered by a foreign power (we have MAD to thank for this) but instead from the turmoil within. Between the politicans who waste money and time without bettering our country, to the outsourcing of jobs in our country and of course our ever dropping economy. We have only ourselves (and maybe those liberal idiots) for destroying our country.

-Alex

[WB9YZU]

I think one thing that can help NAXJA would be to end the senseless bickering and name calling. Nothing is gained when someone puts out an argument and the next person says shut up you're an idiot. That's the basis of what happens in NAXJA whenever religion and politics are mentioned. It'd be nice to have a discussion between two people of different beliefs and not have one say the other is an idiot and the other tell the one they're evil...
Civility, that'd be nice to have make a come back. Especially on the road.

Fixed it for you ;)

Ron

[Matt S.]

Dammit guys... I am cleaning this thread.

[Stumpalump]

You guys can twist and wrangle religion into a wad of shit that will turn a common man away. God is on top of a mountain. Pick a trail to the top. They are all good but some have rock climing and some have snow. They ALL lead to the same place. Catholic trail, Mormon trail. Baptst trail or Presbyterian trail. Pick one , they are all good and will get you to the top of your game.
12 step programs are so sucsesfull because they keep it simple. Step three says " Made a decition to turn our will and our lives over to the care of a god as we understood him." Nobody cares how you understand him. Nobody will ask you specifics of religion. You can tell who got it and who did not. God either comes into your life and lifts you out of "self", or you mire in your own BS that got you into trouble to begin with. Organized religion will only complicate what is so simple. Organized religion will have you waste half your Sunday to tell you some simple common sense you could have learned and expanded on in a couple minuts. It's a poor bang for the buck if you want to know God.

[DrMoab]

You guys can twist and wrangle religion into a wad of shit that will turn a common man away. God is on top of a mountain. Pick a trail to the top. They are all good but some have rock climing and some have snow. They ALL lead to the same place. Catholic trail, Mormon trail. Baptst trail or Presbyterian trail. Pick one , they are all good and will get you to the top of your game.
Damnit Stumpy...you keep talking like this and I might have to start giving you a little respect.

I think thats the smartest think you have ever said on naxja.

[Darky]

You guys can twist and wrangle religion into a wad of shit that will turn a common man away. God is on top of a mountain. Pick a trail to the top. They are all good but some have rock climing and some have snow. They ALL lead to the same place. Catholic trail, Mormon trail. Baptst trail or Presbyterian trail. Pick one , they are all good and will get you to the top of your game.
12 step programs are so sucsesfull because they keep it simple. Step three says " Made a decition to turn our will and our lives over to the care of a god as we understood him." Nobody cares how you understand him. Nobody will ask you specifics of religion. You can tell who got it and who did not. God either comes into your life and lifts you out of "self", or you mire in your own BS that got you into trouble to begin with. Organized religion will only complicate what is so simple. Organized religion will have you waste half your Sunday to tell you some simple common sense you could have learned and expanded on in a couple minuts. It's a poor bang for the buck if you want to know God.
I agree to a certain extent...religious people turn the common man off on God and religion. There was a quote/stat from a long time ago that stated basically, the single greatest cause of atheism is Christians. Mind you, I don't think this means Christianity is bad, I am Christian myself, but I think too many Christians (and people in general) don't commit to what they claim. I'm Christian and follow Christ, but I suck at it...If someone were to get an inside view of ym life and the way I live, they'd come away saying he's an alright guy, but complete hypocrite if he calls himself a Christian. I believe in the Christianity of the Bible, with no further additions made. That's where the differences come in with Catholics (still Christian, but with man's input on God's word) and Mormons (still mostly Christian but with a rather large addition by man - the Book of Mormon). I know most of you will flame me but oh well. Flame me all you want, I'll still have a beer with you if we leave religion out of it :D. Catholicism has added things like priests being able to absolve sin and praying to Jesus' mother. Mary can't help you, she's dead just like any other human (not of Godly descent ;))who has passed away. Nowehere does the Bible say to pray to Mary. Except, as I understand (and I could be completely wrong) the Catholics use a different Bible with a couple extra books in it ie:Sirach etc. The Mormons got way off course thanks to Joseph Smith. He claimed Jesus and Satan were brothers, which if you believe the Bible is impossible as Jesus is God and Satan is a created being, an angel. Mormon's believe that when the Bible ended, God forgot to include a plug for his next book, the Book of Mormon. I have nothing against Mormons or Catholics, I just look at their beliefs and what the Bible says, and realize that they got some things wrong. I think being able to post this or talk to someone about it is a great thing and if people can respond without writing me off as a loony because I believe in the "Fairy Tale of the Bible" instead of the "Fairy Tale of Evolution", that could go a long way towards improving NAXJA and relations between people, which is the first step towards fixing society. Sorry bout the novel

[Darky]

Fixed it for you ;)

Ron
Yeah, I was kinda hinting at that myself...:)

[karstic]

Oh never mind

[Trail-Axe]

I think being able to post this or talk to someone about it is a great thing and if people can respond without writing me off as a loony because I believe in the "Fairy Tale of the Bible" instead of the "Fairy Tale of Evolution," that could go a long way towards improving NAXJA and relations between people, which is the first step towards fixing society. Sorry bout the novel

Sounds good to me. :peace:

[RyanM]

Suggestion

1 Keep Kissing Ass!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/07/300_bush-saudi.jpg

.IF holding hands don't work, take the oil!

Or follow through with the arms deal. Then they can shoot up Israel too!!!

[Trail-Axe]

Suggestion...
...Or follow through with the arms deal. Then they can shoot up Israel too!!!

Somehow I do not think shooting up Israel would make America better. -Not sure if you were being sarcastic, or anti-Semitic. If it was anti-Semitic, then why do you feel this way towards another race of people?

[MudDawg]

How 'bout this....Nationalize Budweiser, free beer for all....strip bar on every corner....a deer in every freezer....WAIT... that won't work....this is a serious discussion.

Speak english, pull your own weight, pop a few bux in the collection plate, hold our politicians accountable, and finally...the most dispicable thing you can do....purposely commit an act of random kindness every day. :D

[Trail-Axe]

How 'bout this....Nationalize Budweiser, free beer for all....strip bar on every corner....a deer in every freezer....WAIT... that won't work....this is a serious discussion.

Speak english, pull your own weight, pop a few bux in the collection plate, hold our politicians accountable, and finally...the most dispicable thing you can do....purposely commit an act of random kindness every day. :D

Now that sounds like a positive step in the right direction.:D

[RyanM]

Somehow I do not think shooting up Israel would make America better. -Not sure if you were being sarcastic, or anti-Semitic. If it was anti-Semitic, then why do you feel this way towards another race of people?
Sarcasm, Basically we are Israel's protector, yet Bush is visiting Saudi' Arabia, kissing ass, offering weapons packages. Remember the Saudi's who view Israel as non existent.

I think If we did the elections now and impeached all the bitches today, that would be the first step.
http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/11968-the-best-compilation-of-bush-administration-lies-about-iraq-i-ve-ever-seen

Shoot this guy too
http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/25100-o-reilly-repeatedly-denies-the-existence-of-homeless-veterans