Next Project

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Last night I purchased my next 4x4 project. I will not be able to work on it for some time because I need to dedicate some more time to my wifes Suburban, my Boat and the Car Trailer I am building. But hopefully in the next 6-12 months I will start the next project. I have alot of plans for it and need to do a bunch of planning before I start but I am really looking forward to "starting over" on another project.

For Matt's sake we can start the "Debate" now but all I can say is that it is NOT an XJ.

Michael

[Sniggs]

Woohoo!! :woohoo: Mike's building a buggy!!

Subaru? Samari? Yugo??
:laugh3: :conceited ;)

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Yugo. Now there is an idea;)

Not a buggy. I have debated this for quite some time, but it just doesn't make sense for the wheeling I do in the snow, rain, cold, with children, camping gear etc.



Michael

[IXNAYXJ]

Yugo. Now there is an idea;)

Not a buggy. I have debated this for quite some time, but it just doesn't make sense for the wheeling I do in the snow, rain, cold, with children, camping gear etc.



MichaelStab in the dark (Small, capable, enclosed):
http://www.gad-zuks.com/images/michael_garibay.jpg

Guess number two (going back to a Rover?):

http://www.skytoprover.com/images/74rr2d/74rr300a.jpg

Guess number three (something weird enough for you, Michael...oh wait, they come stock with lockers...so never mind ;)):

http://www.wbsfilm.at/Bilder/bild700/pinz1010036.jpg

Guess number four (I've always liked these...):

http://www.ladacentrus.com/LADA%20NIVA%204X4_file/image013.jpg

Am I close? Are you selling the XJ?

-----Matt-----

[XJourney]

Last night I purchased my next 4x4 project. For Matt's sake we can start the "Debate" now but all I can say is that it is NOT an XJ.

Michael

Is it a Shelby Cobra?;) (inside joke)

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No Cobra.... Yet.
No Sami (not sure you can use the work capable, and too small for my needs)
I like the Rover (especially the grey market, but mine wouldn't be a two door)
I love your 3rd (not sure what it is, I think I would go with a Mog or LR 110 or similar instead, but same idea)
not a car to convert to 4x4 (but check out that flex, are the swaybars still conected?)

Michael

[XJourney]

Mike I worked on a 06 Range Rover this week. Make me gag. They may be British but they are built like a German auto. And that is not a compliment.

But what ever you choose is OK with me as long as you keep your XJ.

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Mike I worked on a 06 Range Rover this week. Make me gag. They may be British but they are built like a German auto. And that is not a compliment.

But what ever you choose is OK with me as long as you keep your XJ.


I am not a huge German Car fan, but what do you have against German Auto's and apparantly 06 Rangies (not like I could afford one of those anyway!!)?
I can think of several german auto's I wouldn't mind owning......

Michael

[XJCasper]

My secondary projects are daily driven

[ECKSJAY]

My secondary projects are daily driven

Mine can be found in a courtroom. ;)

[XJourney]

I am not a huge German Car fan, but what do you have against German Auto's and apparantly 06 Rangies (not like I could afford one of those anyway!!)?
I can think of several german auto's I wouldn't mind owning......

Michael

It is a duribilty issue, we could save it for the campfire or just chalk it up to personnal choice.

So are you going to hold out on us till NWFest? What about your Grand, it would look killer on 38"

[Sniggs]

I KNEW IT!!!!


I knew it, I knew it, I KNEW IT!!!











Michael Joined the Circus!!!

http://i1.tinypic.com/2447ajt.jpg



:eeks1: :laugh3:

[IXNAYXJ]

No Cobra.... Yet.
No Sami (not sure you can use the work capable, and too small for my needs)
I like the Rover (especially the grey market, but mine wouldn't be a two door)
I love your 3rd (not sure what it is, I think I would go with a Mog or LR 110 or similar instead, but same idea)
not a car to convert to 4x4 (but check out that flex, are the swaybars still conected?)

Michael#3 is a Pinzgauer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinzgauer_High_Mobility_All-Terrain_Vehicle)

#4 is a 4x4! It's a Lada Niva (aka the Russian Range Rover). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lada_Niva

So WHAT IS IT already!?

-----Matt-----

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So, most of you know by now.

As of today here is the plan:
1988 Range Rover 4dr. (will be Moss Wood Green for those "in the know")
Stroker 383 (about 400hp)
700R4 (with all the upgrades)
Atlas or similar (not sure yet)
Mog 404 axles (found them resonably priced)
wheel base extended about 8" (2" front, 6" rear)
38-42" tires on beadlock wheels
Full internal cage, partial exo cage, tube fenders.
high boat side rockers
roll back soft top in roof
interior still in the works (probably 5 buckets, all custom panels with harnesses)

The research has already begun, the work probably will not start for at least 6-8 months.
If you are interested in talking me into other ideas, concepts, motors, axles, tires, etc. BRING IT ON!!

NO, my XJ is not for sale
Michael

[hards91xj]

Didn`t I tow a Range Rover back from Little Naches ??:firedevil
Is that the one you are getting?:sure:

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Didn`t I tow a Range Rover back from Little Naches ??:firedevil
Is that the one you are getting?:sure:

Why, Yes, I believe you did:)
No, Completely unrelated Rover. This one does not currently run;)

He does want to go wheeling again, apparantly he has it all fixed and working:) You want to come along?

Michael

[IXNAYXJ]

PICS OR BAN!!!
http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/banned.gif
http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/banhim.gif

-----Matt-----

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I don't have any pic's from that incident. I have a few from the trip.

Howard, you got any?

Howard pulled him from Naches all the way over the pass into Enemclaw so that he could get AAA to take it home. If my memory serves me right?

Good campfire story really.
Michael

[IXNAYXJ]

I don't have any pic's from that incident. I have a few from the trip.

Howard, you got any?

Howard pulled him from Naches all the way over the pass into Enemclaw so that he could get AAA to take it home. If my memory serves me right?

Good campfire story really.
MichaelHow about of your new project?

Oh, and you realize that we JUST had a campfire? No story? WTF?

-----Matt-----

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How about of your new project?

Oh, and you realize that we JUST had a campfire? No story? WTF?

-----Matt-----


Matt, you have mail. You can host them and post. I will post some better ones when I get back into town and have some time to take some better ones and host them.
Michael

There were plenty of good stories around the campfire!!

[Blkxjkrawler]

Sounds like a good project Michael !!! Had I known you were going this direction I wouldnt have scraped that sticker off my rear window, Officially ending my feud with Rover owners everywhere:D. Best of luck, cant wait to see how this turns out
Ryan

[hards91xj]

I don't have any pic's from that incident. I have a few from the trip.

Howard, you got any?

Howard pulled him from Naches all the way over the pass into Enemclaw so that he could get AAA to take it home. If my memory serves me right?

Good campfire story really.
MichaelNot on film :photo: but everytime I travel that way:firedevil forever in my mind
Can you say 35mph all the way.
I spent more time towing them than the group wheeling with them,

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Had I known you were going this direction I wouldnt have scraped that sticker off my rear window, Officially ending my feud with Rover owners everywhere:D. Ryan

This is not my first Rangie, I had one before my XJ and my family has had several others including series rigs. My XJ has served me well, and I hope it continues to for years.

This is just a better platform for the size of my next rig.

I spent more time towing them than the group wheeling with them,

It wasn't even close!!
Michael

[Blkxjkrawler]

Rovers are definatley very capable rigs. I'm still kicking around a disco 2 for a dd, although I prefer the styling of the Range Rovers. An extreme Rover is a great idea. It will be very unique, and turn alot of heads on the trail. Especially at the level of build you are talking about. Whats your wheelbase at now? Will an 8 inch increase make you longer than a factory LWB Rover? I have hit the trails with one of those and it was very interesting snaking it through tight trails.
Ryan

[WA-HCXJ]

you are too extreme :sure: :wierd:

[ECKSJAY]

you are too extreme :sure: :wierd:

You should see him wheel! Especially with his cool NWC sticker on his rig. ;)

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you are too extreme :sure: :wierd:

In more ways that most people realize:)

Will an 8 inch increase make you longer than a factory LWB Rover?

Classic Rangie is 100" wheel base. LWB is 108".

My hope is the match the wheel base so that both front and rear tires are right at the front and rear. Anything with 42" tires is not going to be short but I think that with the larger tires you need a longer wheelbase. I have friends with 38's on 96-98" wheel bases and they are still too short.

My original plan was dual steer (both front Unimog axles set up hydrolically with lockouts for the rear). but would profer not to do that if at all possible. I do not expect to fit in really tight trails, but I do want to keep it as small as possible but safe on the rocks and inclines as well.

All of these comments and opinions are very valuable for this build up, especially at the moment while I am still doing research to decide what I untimately end up doing!!

Disco 2's are great trucks. I try to be VERY selective of who I recommend them to as a Daily driver though;)
Michael
Michael

[WA-HCXJ]

yea, i got something with a frame too. :wierd:

[Blkxjkrawler]

[quote=2xtreme]Disco 2's are great trucks. I try to be VERY selective of who I recommend them to as a Daily driver though;)
I dont even think I would be allowed to buy one, I've never been to Honolulu( isnt that were they all come from? I think so based on the spare tire covers I see). Anyways I decided to wait until Ford releases the Sequoia. Think Excursion only bigger with a 6.4L twin turbo diesel. just what the market needs!!! :thumbup: Ford no wonder we've lost a billion and a half dollars in the first 9 months of this year. Anyways back on topic, Mog axles Four link front, three or four link rear, with coilovers all around? I'm not real familiar with them are the mog axles portal style? Dont you have to use Mog wheels? I thought they had a pretty specific lug pattern.

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[quote=2xtreme]Disco 2's are great trucks. I try to be VERY selective of who I recommend them to as a Daily driver though;)
I dont even think I would be allowed to buy one, I've never been to Honolulu( isnt that were they all come from? I think so based on the spare tire covers I see). Anyways I decided to wait until Ford releases the Sequoia. Think Excursion only bigger with a 6.4L twin turbo diesel. just what the market needs!!! :thumbup: Ford no wonder we've lost a billion and a half dollars in the first 9 months of this year. Anyways back on topic, Mog axles Four link front, three or four link rear, with coilovers all around? I'm not real familiar with them are the mog axles portal style? Dont you have to use Mog wheels? I thought they had a pretty specific lug pattern.

Disco's are imported through normal inport distribution.
Ford and GM are really blowing my mind with some of their decisions at the moment. It seem to me that Chrysler is the only american car company (of the original big 3 that is doing anything at all right). You are joking about Ford coming out with something larger than the Excursion right? They couldn't sell the Excursion they really are not dumb enough to come out with something larger are they?

Probably be a very close to stock 3 single triangulated link rear (no panhard rod/trackbar) with slight modifications to arm length and joints to gain some flex and new bracketry due to new axles. The front will probably be modified to a non triangulated 3 link with pan hard rod. Very normal upgrade on modified rovers and very simple, basically off the shelf part (not that I will use off the shelf parts but will build my own but use what has been proven to work well, assuming I have enough lift to not need to change too much).

Yes, Mog axles are Portal design (about 4" drop and gear reduction at wheels). standard are 20" wheels, I will likely go to custom wheels (with less off set to keep the wheels as close to the body as possible) and I think I might be able to go down to a 17" wheel (not sure if I can without doing a disk conversion or not yet, still alot of details to work out). I am having difficulty finding the tires I want in the sizes I want that will work on a 17 or 20" wheel. The IROK is the only thing I have found so far. Due to off-set, lug patern, and beadlocks the wheels will most likely be completely custom.


Michael

[Blkxjkrawler]

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Disco's are imported through normal inport distribution.

I know, it just seems like 90% of the ones I see on the road sport Land Rover Honolulu spare covers. I've bought parts for my rigs while on vacation too.

You are joking about Ford coming out with something larger than the Excursion right? They couldn't sell the Excursion they really are not dumb enough to come out with something larger are they?

The Rumour Circulating Is that they are. The way I have heard it if you think A crew cab long bed (8ft) super duty pickup, styled roughly on the newer Expeditions you will be pretty close It will be interesting to see if it survives with the cuts that have been anounced this week. The Excursion was origionally intended to be nothing but a fleet vehicle specifically for the Oil companys on the North slope in Alaska. As you know at the time for American manufacturers and also to the general public BIGGER = better. It was thought that the general public would eat them up and they were released. Problem was obviously fuel economy, and also that you were taking A soccer mom, ( or Dad) out of their cushy riding Explorer Or Expedition. Putting them in what is essentially a 3/4 to 1 ton truck, and they did not like the ride quality or the handling characteristics of it. I'll stop now, before I launch into my full disertation on where the American Automobile industry is headed and Why.



Due to off-set, lug patern, and beadlocks the wheels will most likely be completely custom.

Why not stick with 20's and get some 53 inch Michelin Implement tires( who cares about unsprung weight anyways):D

Ryan

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I could stick with the 20's and I might still due that. But currently there are very few tires that I am interested in that will are made for 20's and I would prefer to have as much negative backspacing as possible to narrow the trackwidth some. So by the time I invest in beadlocks, I might as well get the totally custom wheels that I want.

Car companies never ceas (sp?) to amaze me!!
It will be interesting to see what happens in the next few years with Ford, GM and others!!

Michael