ungrateful

[flexjay87]

seems to me our mission of establishing a democracy in iraq is going down the crapper. however much of the blame has to go to the locals who don't seem to appreciate our efforts. same goes for the lebanese. if they want terrorists in their town, and subsequently get bombed, then the old saying may apply," if you sleep with dogs you will get fleas". this whole region is screwed up, possibly beyond our repair. having said that, it's a good thing we didn't quit in WWII, because we might be speaking german and eating nothing but rice.

[Beej]

Democracy was never a mission in the first place.

No blame goes to the locals, they didn't want this in the first place.

Leave the Lebanese out of this, they are a target of convenience right now.

The region was always 'screwed up' beyond the ability for antithetical outsiders to repair.

American efforts in WWII were not why the war was won.


There, that should be good for a controversy...
:D

[RichP]

seems to me our mission of establishing a democracy in iraq is going down the crapper. however much of the blame has to go to the locals who don't seem to appreciate our efforts. same goes for the lebanese. if they want terrorists in their town, and subsequently get bombed, then the old saying may apply," if you sleep with dogs you will get fleas". this whole region is screwed up, possibly beyond our repair. having said that, it's a good thing we didn't quit in WWII, because we might be speaking german and eating nothing but rice.

First off, depends on which portion of iraq, the kurds are doing a nice job of cleaning up, they make short work of dissidents doing bombings. I understand from a couple of my friends your life expentancy is very short once you have been identified and not from the govt either, ahmed average takes care of business, he wants no bombs killing his kids in school or his wife at the market.

You are right about the sleeping with dogs, if I was in lebannon I'd get as far north as I could go and let the IDF level it...

As for the sunni vs shiite thing, they all belong in padded rooms, any religon that teaches, encourages and pushes killing for god needs to be stamped out and eradicated. Maybe get all the innocents out of baghdad, those who want peace then use a neutron at about 10,000ft, wait a couple weeks and come back in and bury all the marytrs... then follow one city at a time... bet one would be enough, maybe two for good measure.

[ROOK1]

......for what? Us going over uninvited and stiring things up beyond repair?

Now that should be good for some controversy.

[Glenn B]

Democracy was never a mission in the first place.

No blame goes to the locals, they didn't want this in the first place.

Leave the Lebanese out of this, they are a target of convenience right now.

The region was always 'screwed up' beyond the ability for antithetical outsiders to repair.

American efforts in WWII were not why the war was won.


There, that should be good for a controversy...
:D

Wow! That is a great job of stirring the pot. Way to go!

1. when the locals get education, they will be better off. Oppressed and uneducated sucks. Just look at Canada.

2. Sorry, they seemed to somehow elect a Hezzie party with a militia. The same ones that hide behind women and children to fire off their rockets. I have seen some great links on some theories. Amazingly, none *yet* blame the French or Canada. :)

3. Agreed. It is, and always will be shit.

4. You are wrong.

OK, that should have stirred the pot from where you left off Beej. :) Carry on......

[jsk2052]

^^^^^^^^ x2

[Root Moose]

American efforts in WWII were not why the war was won.

Perhaps not but it easily cut the amount of time dealing with Nazi and Japanese Imperial ineptitude by half. The Nazi V2s would have made it all a real mess.

Alternatively, if the Yanks didn't go into the War, Stalin could have rolled all through the Hebrides to the Aleutians[sp] given enough time watching everyone else wear themselves out. I would say by year 8-9 he would have made his play. Millions of Russion bodies jamming the Channel being blocked by (likely) millions of Can bodies. Don't forget how Canada was looked at by England back then (raw resources and armed cannon fodder).

Sometimes people forget there were three big time psychopaths involved in that incident. We got lucky that Hitler was stupid enough to attack Russia when he did. We also got lucky that Roosevelt felt he needed to take on the Germans as well as the Japs. Given his previous history before that I speculate he could have just as easily gone against the Japs only until Stalin was a BIG problem.

[Beej]

:laugh2:

[Glenn B]

:laugh2:

Beej, your crap should have gone in the super secret political forum. :)

:scottm:

[Ramsey]

Democracy was never a mission in the first place.

No blame goes to the locals, they didn't want this in the first place.

Leave the Lebanese out of this, they are a target of convenience right now.

The region was always 'screwed up' beyond the ability for antithetical outsiders to repair.


:D
X2

[Glenn B]

X2

This is too good. The terrorist and the canuck agreeing. :)

[Ramsey]

You have to expect the people with sense to be on the same side;)

[BRIANHO13]

You have to expect the people with sense
:rof:

[Glenn B]

You have to expect the people with sense to be on the same side;)

Explains why France is sympathetic to the cowardly actions of the Hezzies elected by the Lebanese. Go figgure. :flame:

I hope that Israel blast the fawk out of the hezzies. In fact, I would not be sad if they blasted the nuke sites in Iran (suppliers to the Lebanese terrorists) and pop a shell or two to Syria. It is very obvious that Iran and Syria are using the Lebanese, and they fell for it and voted the fanatics in.

So, when we talk of "sense" and "same side", it seems clear what side Lebanon is on, no? I mean they voted the crazies in to office, knowing full well what they represent and how they started.

[BRIANHO13]

Explains why France is sympathetic to the cowardly actions of the Hezzies elected by the Lebanese. Go figgure. :flame:

I hope that Israel blast the fawk out of the hezzies. In fact, I would not be sad if they blasted the nuke sites in Iran (suppliers to the Lebanese terrorists) and pop a shell or two to Syria. It is very obvious that Iran and Syria are using the Lebanese, and they fell for it and voted the fanatics in.

So, when we talk of "sense" and "same side", it seems clear what side Lebanon is on, no? I mean they voted the crazies in to office, knowing full well what they represent and how they started.
x1000

[Ramsey]

Explains why France is sympathetic to the cowardly actions of the Hezzies elected by the Lebanese. Go figgure. :flame:

I hope that Israel blast the fawk out of the hezzies. In fact, I would not be sad if they blasted the nuke sites in Iran (suppliers to the Lebanese terrorists) and pop a shell or two to Syria. It is very obvious that Iran and Syria are using the Lebanese, and they fell for it and voted the fanatics in.

So, when we talk of "sense" and "same side", it seems clear what side Lebanon is on, no? I mean they voted the crazies in to office, knowing full well what they represent and how they started.
:doh:
You may be right about them using Lebanon, it suxors. Saying they knew what they voted and represented is to say all they are is a terrorist group is just wrong, but this is not the place to debate that.

I knew I'd lose most of ya when I said me and beej had any sense:D

[Glenn B]

:doh:
You may be right about them using Lebanon, it suxors. Saying they knew what they voted and represented is to say all they are is a terrorist group is just wrong, but this is not the place to debate that.

I knew I'd lose most of ya when I said me and beej had any sense:D

Do not even try that. They knew. We all knew. The Hezzies goal and foundation is no secret. If people claim they did not know, they are fooling themselves. Sorry, but the Hezzies goals and mode of operation is and was well known.

[Ramsey]

Am I the only one tired of all these political threads. Its just the same thing spit back up over and over again.

[IXNAYXJ]

American efforts in WWII were not why the war was won. Heh? How do you figure that? Unless that was simply a pot being stirred....

-----Matt-----

[Glenn B]

Sorry, you do not get a thread pulled quite that easily.

If you are tired of political threads, I suggest you do not participate in them. I know you will not be able to resist though, as you have some terrorsit connection, based on your avatar and postings.



Am I the only one tired of all these political threads. Its just the same thing spit back up over and over again. On that note:












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[Ramsey]

Yes I'm a terrorist....:rolleyes:

[OT]

Good one, Flexjay.
You should have searched for a thread to contribute to, as there's about 15 threads just like this.....
In the last month......

[ECKSJAY]

Yes I'm a terrorist....:rolleyes:

Then you must die.


:laugh3:

[Beej]

I love the taste of popcorn in the morning...

:adjusting foil beanie:

[OT]

This thread sucks.




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[Glenn B]

Then you must die.


:laugh3:

And quickly. Anybody have the schedule handy? :scottm:

[IXNAYXJ]

Yes I'm a terrorist....:rolleyes:“We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us”
-----Matt-----

[Glenn B]

Good one, Flexjay.
You should have searched for a thread to contribute to, as there's about 15 threads just like this.....
In the last month......

I think we need to re-open the Political forum again. :) Seems appropriate. :) The new war by Israel against the terrorists, the Dems hoping to take on the next election (hahahaha), yup, we should just re-open it and get the crap outta the main stream forums.

[Chero-King]

1. when the locals get education, they will be better off. Oppressed and uneducated sucks. Just look at Canada

HEY!
................






I know, I'm too late, Its already off topic.

[OT]

Totally agree, Glenn.

[Ramsey]

-----Matt-----
I have no kids and I cant say that I hate you, so I think were good :thumbup:

[Beej]

Arabs have nothing to do with this. This is about misguided American foreign policy loosely disguising the Oil-ocracy's interests in maximizing profits...


:greensmok

[OT]

You fu*king Frenchies need to stay out of this.

[Ramsey]

Arabs have nothing to do with this. This is about misguided American foreign policy loosely disguising the Oil-ocracy's interests in maximizing profits...


:greensmok
SHH!!! Dont tell them that, let them love their ignorance.

[IXNAYXJ]

I have no kids and I cant say that I hate you, so I think were good :thumbup:Your avatar would suggest otherwise, but I'm relieved to hear you don't hate me.

-----Matt-----

[Beej]

I wonder what would happen if the North Koreans discovered massive oil deposits below land under their control...


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[Root Moose]

I wonder what would happen if the North Koreans discovered massive oil deposits below land under their control...


http://www.xboard.us/bbb/images/smilies/popcorn.gif


Make glass and use larger diamond tipped drills?

[Beej]

:laugh2:

What about abortion and gay marriage? Can't we mix those two into this fray as well? Here, I'll start: Abortion is about a woman's right to murder her baby and gay marriage is just fine as long as they don't move in next door to me...

:moon:


Edit: I almost forgot. Mr T. could take Chuck Norris any day...

[Ramsey]

Pro choice and against gay marriage, unless it is two hot chicks that are really just bi and they have to live next door to me, and be kinda slutty

[Root Moose]

I'll start: Abortion is about a woman's right to murder her baby and gay marriage is just fine as long as they don't move in next door to me...

I could get on side with that.

[Beej]

I'm SO stoked to go skateboarding tomorrow! Does anyone have any pink bubble gum? My ankles are itchy and I smell peanut butter...

[OT]

I agree with everything already said in this thread.

[streetpirate]

Edit: I almost forgot. Mr T. could take Chuck Norris any day...


NO EFFIN WAY IM SO CALLING YOU OUT ON THAT ONE CAUSE YOU DONT WANT TO F**K WITH CHUCK!

[Beej]

NO EFFIN WAY IM SO CALLING YOU OUT ON THAT ONE CAUSE YOU DONT WANT TO F**K WITH CHUCK! A single booger from Mr. T has more power than Chuck Norris with or without chest hair...

HTH

[Glenn B]

Arabs have nothing to do with this. This is about misguided American foreign policy loosely disguising the Oil-ocracy's interests in maximizing profits...


:greensmok

Keep thinking that, chubby luvver. The "oil" thing is old and busted, in case your liberal Canadian news has not yet cought on?

[Beej]

Actually the real reason the US is over there is to help the big drug companies secure a new test population for their experimental anti-aging drugs. If Bush can make a few billion for himself, his benefactors and his friends, then hey, it works out for everyone.

Mass graves for the pump when the price is set.
And the price is set.
Now testify...


Where's that pink bubblegum? My ankles are super-itchy now and my foil beanie does nothing...

[Glenn B]

Actually the real reason the US is over there is to help the big drug companies secure a new test population for their experimental anti-aging drugs. If Bush can make a few billion for himself, his benefactors and his friends, then hey, it works out for everyone.

Mass graves for the pump when the price is set.
And the price is set.
Now testify...


Where's that pink bubblegum? My ankles are super-itchy now and my foil beanie does nothing...

Dang, what a creative posting style you have. That is amazing, and I hope it works out for you. I just could not imagine living my life obsessed with hating another countries elected leader. No problems in Canada eh? hahaahhhaha, right. But sooo much easier to bitch about your big brother. I guess if I was living in Americas Attic, I would likely whine too. :)

[woody]

I wonder what would happen if the North Koreans discovered massive oil deposits below land under their control...


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I think Beijing would pop their 'govt' like a festering zit...and have their way with it.

[JohnJohn]

I wonder what would happen if the North Koreans discovered massive oil deposits below land under their control...


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We could call them North Venezuela.

[IXNAYXJ]

We could call them North Venezuela.Ha, that's the first thing I thought of too. Funny.

-----Matt-----

[johnlv6]

Most Americans are too stupid to realize that the average Iraqi doesn't understand the concept of Democracy....Fact! You can't force-feed a new way of life down someone's throat who's used to being oppressed...they have absolutely no idea what to do with their new found "freedom." Watching Condee Rice on the news tonight, it was clear that this was the case for her.

[OT]

Most Americans are too stupid to realize that the average Iraqi doesn't understand the concept of Democracy....Fact! You can't force-feed a new way of life down someone's throat who's used to being oppressed...they have absolutely no idea what to do with their new found "freedom."
True.
Look at an 18 year old that heads off to college.....

[johnlv6]

True.
Look at an 18 year old that heads off to college.....

Many people have absolutely NO idea how good we have it. I'm going back to college next spring (after 6 years in the military), i'll get to deal with the trust fund kids....i'm already imaging how the political debates are going to go :D.

[JohnJohn]

True.
Look at an 18 year old that heads off to college.....

“Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains.” Winston Churchill

[Glenn B]

Many people have absolutely NO idea how good we have it. I'm going back to college next spring (after 6 years in the military), i'll get to deal with the trust fund kids....i'm already imaging how the political debates are going to go :D.

Oh man, that will be fun. Can you imagine the fun you can have with the liberal pinhead kiddies?

[johnlv6]

Oh man, that will be fun. Can you imagine the fun you can have with the liberal pinhead kiddies?

Yes...it's one thing to talk about something you read in a book or saw on CNN...it's something else to talk about something you had a birdseye view on while it unfolded.

[Ironmen77]

Most Americans are too stupid to realize that the average Iraqi doesn't understand the concept of Democracy....Fact! You can't force-feed a new way of life down someone's throat who's used to being oppressed...they have absolutely no idea what to do with their new found "freedom." Watching Condee Rice on the news tonight, it was clear that this was the case for her.

The people that started our Representative Republic (not democracy) were from an oppressive style of goverment and they did okay. Why not give them some more time to get used to freedom?

[johnlv6]

The people that started our Representative Republic (not democracy) were from an oppressive style of goverment and they did okay. Why not give them some more time to get used to freedom?

Lets see how that works out for us

[woody]

You fu*king Frenchies need to stay out of this.

Yeah!

Don't make us come up there...

We'll drink all your skunky beer, club all your baby harp seals, and cut down all your x-mas trees.

-edit- a little late in the context (it went to the wrong place) but the thought is still there.

:cheers: & Donuts Eh!

[Root Moose]

I think Beijing would pop their 'govt' like a festering zit...and have their way with it.

Go China!

[flexjay87]

i posted this at lunch and just returned from a late dinner out. now this is fun, at least we all agree, LOL.... now i know this topic has been discussed a little before, but it isn't like a" sye kit" thread, this is an ongoing day to day living breathing topic, and as such can be banterd back and forth and updated as needed, or wanted, besides, this is a free country, and i wanted fresh responses. to be continued, i'm sure. especially by those who don't want to, it seems .

[ColoCherokees]

Arabs have nothing to do with this. This is about misguided American foreign policy loosely disguising the Oil-ocracy's interests in maximizing profits...


:greensmok

1. What about the responsibility of the British (and other old European colonial powers) who carved up the current Middle Eastern nations and set in motion the hatred of the Israeli state and the West in general? As loyal subjects of the British Crown, Canadians' hands are no cleaner than ours.

2. America's military actions are condemned loudly by Canada/Europe, as they quietly fuel their private cars and military vehicles with the oil they claim is the reason we went to war. If the secret reason truly was oil, then the rest of the world are hypocrites using fuel bought with the lives of American servicemen. If you can think for yourself, and know that oil isn't the reason, then the "war for oil" accusation spits on the graves of fallen American/British servicemen.

:pot stir::laugh3:

[Beej]

1. What about the responsibility of the British (and other old European colonial powers) who carved up the current Middle Eastern nations and set in motion the hatred of the Israeli state and the West in general? As loyal subjects of the British Crown, Canadians' hands are no cleaner than ours.

2. America's military actions are condemned loudly by Canada/Europe, as they quietly fuel their private cars and military vehicles with the oil they claim is the reason we went to war. If the secret reason truly was oil, then the rest of the world are hypocrites using fuel bought with the lives of American servicemen. If you can think for yourself, and know that oil isn't the reason, then the "war for oil" accusation spits on the graves of fallen American/British servicemen.

:pot stir::laugh3: Way off homie. What are you, in Junior High?

[flexjay87]

yeah whether the reasons we went are sound or not, it sure hasn't helped our oil prices. i remember when the "war" started, a guy at work was runnin his mouth that we were just goin over for the oil. boy i wish that were true now. i told him he was crazy and recently i asked him" how 's all that cheap gas from the war working out from the for ya." he he...... no coherent response.......

[Beej]

Its not about helping our oil prices. Its about increasing their profits. How would they increase their profits by lowering our prices?

[flexjay87]

well duh, everyone wants more profits, basic high school econ., class will teach you that. can you say supply and demand.

[Beej]

Supply and demand.

See? I can still type when I'm drunk...

:Da

[flexjay87]

can you say it, not type it. open the window and talk louder....

[Beej]

:laugh2: come into the chat...

[ColoCherokees]

Way off homie. What are you, in Junior High?

Way off on what specifically? 'Splain.

[flexjay87]

don't expect too much, he said he was drunk.

[Beej]

I can't. My keyboard's blurry. Just watch the foreign news...

[OT]

Just watch the foreign news...
Me too.
It's the BBC Comedies.

[ColoCherokees]

I'm a few beers in myself - distorted and fuzzy thought should be no impedance to arguing on the internet.

Beej, I'm not in Jr High, but I'll admit enough booze can make me behave like a 14 year old.

So, with that said, blurry keyboard and all, what specifically do you take issue with?

[Beej]

I can't bite, I've already had my fill of this thread. It was fun while it lasted...

:D

[Kittrell]

So, when we talk of "sense" and "same side", it seems clear what side Lebanon is on, no? I mean they voted the crazies in to office, knowing full well what they represent and how they started.

Yeah, they started, to fight the Israeli occupation after they invaded in '82 and the Reagan administration bailed out in '84. What they represent, Israel, among other forces, staying the hell out of Lebanon.

[87manche]

Yeah, they started, to fight the Israeli occupation after they invaded in '82 and the Reagan administration bailed out in '84. What they represent, Israel, among other forces, staying the hell out of Lebanon.
I'll drop my 2 cents in this mess.
If that's the prupose of Hezbollah then why did they have to start shooting rockets across the border.
Everyone condemns Israel for a harsh reaction, I just wonder what our reaction would be is a group in mexico started firing rockets into Houston.
The whole thing is a clusterfawk, but technically Hezbollah started this shit storm.
Hell, we almost went to war in the 60's because of the threat of missiles in Cuba.

[RedHeep]

Why would you start throwing rocks at the lion in the zoo and then complain when he comes out of his cage and kicks your ass?

Their are two groups of countries in this world, those that harbor terrorists and those that don't. If you don't want bombed, don't have terrorists in your country.

Edit - Maybe having France involved with Hezbollah is a good thing. They can teach them how to drop their weapons and surrender.

[Kittrell]

I'm not supporting either side. I personally think they are both to blame. They have both made political errors that have aided the continuation of this dispute since its inception in 1967. Do a little research on the Shebaa Farms or Golan Heights. And for those that think Hezbollah is nothing but a group of Terorrists. They do have and extensive Social Developement program. "The group currently operates at least four hospitals, 12 clinics, 12 schools and two agricultural centres that provide farmers with technical assistance and training. It also has an environmental department and an extensive social assistance programme. Medical care is also cheaper than in most of the country's private hospitals and free for Hezbollah members" I think the UK has it right in only declaring The Hezbollah External Security Organization (the Militant Wing of Hezbollah) as a terrorist organization. Where as the US has condemned the whole lot of them.

[ECKSJAY]

...I just wonder what our reaction would be is a group in mexico started firing rockets into Houston.

Space, sí. Fly.

[DrMoab]

Have you ever stood on a scale? I mean a good digital scale...weighed yourself and then took a helthy dump? Then got back on the scale to see how much it weighed?

[johnlv6]

Have you ever stood on a scale? I mean a good digital scale...weighed yourself and then took a helthy dump? Then got back on the scale to see how much it weighed?

Nope...how'd that work out for you :D ?

[DrMoab]

Nope...how'd that work out for you :D ?
2Lbs.

[johnlv6]

2Lbs.

That's some good $hit. Way to get a load off :D.

[RichP]

I'm not supporting either side. I personally think they are both to blame. They have both made political errors that have aided the continuation of this dispute since its inception in 1967. Do a little research on the Shebaa Farms or Golan Heights. And for those that think Hezbollah is nothing but a group of Terorrists. They do have and extensive Social Developement program. "The group currently operates at least four hospitals, 12 clinics, 12 schools and two agricultural centres that provide farmers with technical assistance and training. It also has an environmental department and an extensive social assistance programme. Medical care is also cheaper than in most of the country's private hospitals and free for Hezbollah members" I think the UK has it right in only declaring The Hezbollah External Security Organization (the Militant Wing of Hezbollah) as a terrorist organization. Where as the US has condemned the whole lot of them.

Well, they have to get their recruits from SOMEWHERE now don't they... They have learned the game well, they play the media like motzart, they intentionaly launch rockets from civilian positions so they can play innocent when it draws artillery fire and air strikes. The media goes right along.

[Gil BullyKatz]

Ahh...

The perfect time for a short musical interlude courtesy of the Dead Kennedy's...


Jesus was a Terrorist

Jesus was a terrorist
Enemy of the state
That's what the Romans labeled him
So he was put to death

He died for his beliefs
What's changed today?

Today bible-thumping cannibals
Reap money from his name
Buy cable networks & power
With old ladies' checks

If Jesus saw Pat Robertson
What do you think he'd say?
Tax free then re-write our laws
And sick 'em on you
Women don't control their bodies
TV preachers do

Censor everything from bathing suits
To science books
From the schoolroom to the bedroom
They want our thoughts - or else

They treat us like the Romans
Used to treat the Christians
Even some church-going folks are scared

Modern catacombs of fear
Built with money, power, and threats
Rock 'n Roll is labeled porn
Sell a record, you're under arrest

Instead of fighting AIDS
They try to stop us having sex
They brag that they won't quit
Till they take dominion over our lives

Is freedom of speech such a terrorist act
Is spiritual peace such a satanic threat
Believe what you want
But we'll fight to keep
Our heads from being cemented in your sand

[ECKSJAY]

Gil, I always thought that Jesus lived his life in a cheap hotel on the edge of Route 66. Yeah.