LAZY B.O.D.

[0313]

I would like to congratulate our National BOD for screwing the pooch and not doing a damn thing for the Fall Fling. From what I heard it was thrown onto Remi and Derek, of which, they did a damn good job last minute putting and keeping it together. Also thanks to Ryan (Dr.Moab) for at least reserving a place for the dinner in Moab last minute and the last place that could fit that many people because the BOD didnt do anything for that either. I recall the BOD wanting the Fall Fling for themselves not the IC, and then they get it and they don't do a damn thing with it.

I heard Goatman has volunteered to do it next year, I have a feeling that he is going to do 1000 times better job than the BOD did this year.

Thanks agin Derek and Remi for the last minute organizing and Ryan for at least reserving a place for the dinner.


Other than that, I had fun. :D

[XJEEPER]

I don't know the politics or exactly who handed what to off to who or what balls were dropped..........what I do know is that we've held local chapter events with higher turnout and larger raffles.
Somewhat embarrasing, but a great learning experience (read::twak: ) so this doesn't happen again.

That being said, I met some new folk that I hope to wheel with again. We got a first hand education on the importance of supporting Moab Land Use issues, specifically with the upcoming BLM Draft Plan http://www.sharetrails.org/public_lands/index.cfm?content=comment&article_id=426

and got some good trail time in.

Thanks to Remi, Derek and all the others in the shadows that pulled things together and made the event fun for those in attendance. All I can say is, buckle up......Fall Fling 2008 is coming!

[4xSanta]

I would like to congratulate our National BOD for screwing the pooch and not doing a damn thing for the Fall Fling. From what I heard it was thrown onto Remi and Derek, of which, they did a damn good job last minute putting and keeping it together. Also thanks to Ryan (Dr.Moab) for at least reserving a place for the dinner in Moab last minute and the last place that could fit that many people because the BOD didnt do anything for that either. I recall the BOD wanting the Fall Fling for themselves not the IC, and then they get it and they don't do a damn thing with it.

I heard Goatman has volunteered to do it next year, I have a feeling that he is going to do 1000 times better job than the BOD did this year.

Thanks agin Derek and Remi for the last minute organizing and Ryan for at least reserving a place for the dinner.


Amen........SANTA


Other than that, I had fun. :D

[Tom R.]

If Goatman actually volunteered to do next year's event, then you can be assured it will be excellent. Just watch out for any attempt to move the Friday night dinner/raffle to Saturday. ;)

[Stumpalump]

Coloradofest got the same suport. Zero,Zip Nada but I think both events were fantastic! I'd like to thank Remy and Derik for pointing me to the best trails but special thanks to the trail guide Wayne. The video of me going up Double Wammy looks so tame because I took his line. He walked us thru Pritchet Canyon like it was flat land. He tought us how to rock crawl like a champion.Thanks Wayne, you made a great event the best!

[Matt S.]

You want to moan and groan? I cant count the number of times people were asked to help. All of you that complain... its your own fault, period. Sponsership has been in the trash, its back on its feet now. You can say all you want, but I can guarentee that WE (the bod) did the best we could for "organizing" something few of us could attend.

:mad:

[lesslimited]

I would like to congratulate our national BOD for not wasting a lot of time or resources on an event which was recognized early on as likely to be sparsely attended, due to the upcoming 25th anniversary event. It already looks to me like next year's will more than make up for this years.

Personally, I go to events to have fun wheeling, and drinking around the campfire - anything else is just icing on the cake.

[Israel]

I would like to congratulate myself for having the coolest damn ZJ at a mostly XJ event. :D

I really don't know who dropped the ball on this one, but I do know that we can't say enough good about Derek and Remi for carrying this on their shoulders. Despite a low turnout and last minute planning, I don't think anyone went home regretting coming out.

[djblade311]

and yet Israel tried potato salad hill even! Swap your rear axle, get some lockers and rock on.

I tried as hell to help out with the slideshow but that sucked due to the laptop issues. I wanted to help with registration but having the wife n kid kinda hindered my ability to get away. I'm trying to get them more involved too but there just arent enough women for her to associate with.

[WayneXJ]

Personally, I go to events to have fun wheeling, and drinking around the campfire - anything else is just icing on the cake.


I agree except for the drinking part. :D I'm not one that needs a lot of organization to have a good time, just some people to wheel with. :)

[Kejtar]

I agree except for the drinking part.
Hey.... you drank something. As long as you consume liquids you're drinking :D
:D I'm not one that needs a lot of organization to have a good time, just some people to wheel with. :)
You're right! Biggest part is just hanging out with good people and having fun wheeling.

[Israel]

I'm trying to get them more involved too but there just arent enough women for her to associate with.

My wife enjoyed hanging out with her at the dinner, and my boy seemed to love playing with the gravel with you daughter! I went back to where they were during the slide show and they were both taking turns filling paper cups with gravel. Too cute!

[djblade311]

My wife enjoyed hanging out with her at the dinner, and my boy seemed to love playing with the gravel with you daughter! I went back to where they were during the slide show and they were both taking turns filling paper cups with gravel. Too cute!

x2! I'm glad your wife and son were there to entertain each other. :)

[0313]

You want to moan and groan? I cant count the number of times people were asked to help. All of you that complain... its your own fault, period. Sponsership has been in the trash, its back on its feet now. You can say all you want, but I can guarentee that WE (the bod) did the best we could for "organizing" something few of us could attend.

:mad:

Dude from what I hear you have been one of the laziest BOD members this year. If you are talking about sponsorship from vendors, from what I heard nobody even did anything to get vendors until Aug/Sept time. Also I didn't hear one time down there that the BOD did anything. None of the kudos to the BOD for doing this or that. Just for Derek and Remi for coming through when you guys didn't.

Hell not even even a registration link until the week before the event, and from what I gathered made it so the t-shirts were over ordered. That way they werent underorderd causing us to waste NAXJA money on extra shirts that now they have to try and sell still when it should have been taken care of with the registration.

Now I wouldn't be surprised if one of the BOD will tell me I am not welcome on NAXJA like they did Dan (trndrvr) because he caused to much of a stir.


Thanks

[lobsterdmb]

Dude from what I hear you have been one of the laziest BOD members this year. If you are talking about sponsorship from vendors, from what I heard nobody even did anything to get vendors until Aug/Sept time. Also I didn't hear one time down there that the BOD did anything. None of the kudos to the BOD for doing this or that. Just for Derek and Remi for coming through when you guys didn't.

Hell not even even a registration link until the week before the event, and from what I gathered made it so the t-shirts were over ordered. That way they werent underorderd causing us to waste NAXJA money on extra shirts that now they have to try and sell still when it should have been taken care of with the registration.

Now I wouldn't be surprised if one of the BOD will tell me I am not welcome on NAXJA like they did Dan (trndrvr) because he caused to much of a stir.


Thanks

Nope, you are welcome and will be the person i nominate when elections come up in november. Just remember that the BOD consists of all volunteers. There is only so much we can do. I am also president of the NAC Chapter and got minimal assistance from National when it came to our raffle, yet it was still sucessful.

[Handlebars]

Thanks Remi, Derek and Ryan for making the event and the Friday night dinner at Bar M Chuckwagon come together. There was still room for plenty of others!

http://www.fototime.com/57B4F0273EC4298/orig.jpg

Maybe the gunfight scared everyone away?!?
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[djblade311]

I dont know about the situations with each BOD and why they either werent there or they didnt help out so I cant scathe anything for that.

If anyone feels that they can provide more support by volunteering, then run for your local chapter, then BOD. BUT, you DONT have to be on the BOD to help volunteer. :)

[MJR]

Someone else who deserves a hand, Josh for bringing the projector and giving a day up of wheeling to put together a slide show for us all at the dinner. :cheers:

http://www.fototime.com/0793988BD851C4A/orig.jpg

[Goatman]

If Goatman actually volunteered to do next year's event, then you can be assured it will be excellent.

Thanks for the good word, Tom. Yes, I have agreed to coordinate the 25th Anniversary Celebration, and we will have a great time. However, it will take many volunteers to put on a great event. I can only hope that this event will live up to the 20th anniversary event, which was pretty damned good. I'll never forget 120 XJ's parked on the grass at the park, or the infamous CO/CA challenge. We will have another show and shine in the park, and the other things we've become used to, but I don't know how to replace the CO/CA challenge. :)

[tcharon]

Someone else who deserves a hand, Josh for bringing the projector and giving a day up of wheeling to put together a slide show for us all at the dinner. :cheers:

http://www.fototime.com/0793988BD851C4A/orig.jpg
Right arm Mike. Josh did great!

[Goatman]

If Goatman..........Just watch out for any attempt to move the Friday night dinner/raffle to Saturday. ;)

Tom knows about my hot button, so far be it from me to pass up an opportuninty to rail on about my strong opinion. We won't move the big dinner night to Sat for the 25th anniversary event, since it is important to draw from all over the county for an event of this type and so many folks do need to take a weeks vacation to attend, and many may need to travel on Sat. However, I consider it a big mistake to have the regular annual Fall Fling dinner on a Fri night. There are a tremendous amount of people who are a days drive or less from Moab, and who have the ability to attend the Fall Fling for a long weekend. It is a mistake to cater to the few who might have to leave on Sat for two days of travel. This basically excludes many of those who are closer, and very important to the success and growth of the event, by not having a Sat/weekend focus to the event.

I remember very clearly the first few Fall Flings, the first two which I organized, and people arrivng at Slickrock campground late on both Thurs and Fri evenings. I remember the large participation we had on trail runs on Sat, and the traditional run up Moab Rim trail on Sun. When I was at the Fall Fling two years ago, it was close to a ghost town around there on Sat, and no one even asked or was around for the Moab Rim run I had volunteered to lead on Sun. This event is doomed to no growth if we don't structure it to encourage attendance from those who can't take a weeks vacation to attend. For many who are close enough to drive in a day or less, it isn't worth it to take a weeks vacation to go to Moab, when they can go a for a long weekend. It isn't right to give preference to the vocal regulars (no offense meant, folks) who do take a weeks vacation, and will attend anyway, and not to look at it from an organizers point of view and maximize the opportunity for many to participate. I can't help but think there are new folks to XJ's, wheeling, and the club, who might come to try an event for a long weekend but don't yet have the motivation or vision to commit to a weeks vacation for a wheeling trip.

[XJEEPER]

Well put, Richard.

[tcharon]

Yes Richard. I was just kidding about making sure it's over my birthday. Thom

[Goatman]

Yes Richard. I was just kidding about making sure it's over my birthday. Thom

I was wondering what you were referring to, and I just read your other comment.

C'mon, I want it over my birthday. :)

[djblade311]

Someone else who deserves a hand, Josh for bringing the projector and giving a day up of wheeling to put together a slide show for us all at the dinner. :cheers:



Thanks Mike and Thom! I probably would have happier if my laptop wasnt acting up. I was ready to throw it out the window. :)

[Tom R.]

If more people can attend the dinner by having it on Saturday, then it gets my support. By the way, I should be able to lend a hand next year.

[Kejtar]

If more people can attend the dinner by having it on Saturday, then it gets my support. By the way, I should be able to lend a hand next year.
I don't think that would be the case though. Seeing how many people have used the Sat/Sunday to drive back in the past few years, I think you'd loose more then gain.

[RedHeep]

I don't think that would be the case though. Seeing how many people have used the Sat/Sunday to drive back in the past few years, I think you'd loose more then gain.
Speaking as someone planning to come from Maryland, I know whatever days the festivities are will dictate my vacation plans.

I know the traditional weekend makes it easier for people to travel who are two days away, but what's the difference between taking wed-sun off from work and taking thurs-mon off from work?

You still miss the same amount of days.

[Kejtar]

Speaking as someone planning to come from Maryland, I know whatever days the festivities are will dictate my vacation plans.

I know the traditional weekend makes it easier for people to travel who are two days away, but what's the difference between taking wed-sun off from work and taking thurs-mon off from work?

You still miss the same amount of days.
well, a lot of folks take Mon - Fri off to squeeze the previous weekend and make it a whole 9 days. There has always been (at least in the past 4 years or so) a big crowd of folks showing up before the event taking advantage of the area and scenerey so the movement of dinner to Sat ends up forcing some folks with a tough decision: skip dinner or shift their vacation. I personally could live with either one cause it's only a 1 day haul for me back to SoCal but I think that moving the dinner to Sat is going to make some folks loose out on some wheeling if all they can do is take 5 days off.

[WayneXJ]

I have a short drive home, but I would still rather have the dinner on a Friday.

[cracker]

Sat sounds better to me.

[Stebel]

well, a lot of folks take Mon - Fri off to squeeze the previous weekend and make it a whole 9 days. There has always been (at least in the past 4 years or so) a big crowd of folks showing up before the event taking advantage of the area and scenerey
Thats what I do!


Moving dinner to saturday is a bad idea in my opinion.

[Mike in NJ]

Somehow - I don't think the day of the dinner is going to make or break this event. Sideshow discussion.

For me, it never made a difference, since I always got there early and left late. A 2300 mile run isn't affected one way or another by a particular day.

The MAIN question is: when will GRNT :chef: be there cooking?!!!!!

MG :patriot:

[Kejtar]

The MAIN question is: when will GRNT :chef: be there cooking?!!!!!

MG :patriot:
That'd be cool, though I don't think that GRNT even owns a jeep anymore. I remember him selling whole bunch of stuff off a year or two ago.

[Goatman]

I don't think that would be the case though. Seeing how many people have used the Sat/Sunday to drive back in the past few years, I think you'd loose more then gain.

That's because of the schedule, if the schedule was different folks would plan accordingly. This event isn't growing, and to grow my opinion is that it needs to be more attractive for more people. If the weekend is set up for those taking a weeks vacation, then that's mostly what we'll get. If the event is set up to accomodate those who would go for a long weekend, then I think there is more chance for growth.

It really doesn't matter what each of us would personally prefer, decisions regarding organizational stuff can't be decided that way. The decision has to be based on what would work for most. And, if growth is the goal, the decision needs ot be based on how more people can be attracted to the event.

I remember very clearly the early years of the event when Sat was the biggest day and it was booming. Folks were coming in on Thurs and Fri. I was very dissapointed when I was there a couple of years ago and it was like a ghost town on the weekend. That, to me, means the event isn't what it could be. This is not a "good ole boys club" where we cater the event to the chosen few, we need to appeal to a broad base of people.

[Goatman]

Somehow - I don't think the day of the dinner is going to make or break this event. Sideshow discussion.

For me, it never made a difference, since I always got there early and left late. A 2300 mile run isn't affected one way or another by a particular day.

The MAIN question is: when will GRNT :chef: be there cooking?!!!!!

MG :patriot:

He'll be there next year, but I don't have the nerve to ask him to cook. :D

Oh, and he still has his XJ.......but he's going over to the dark side.

[Kejtar]

That's because of the schedule, if the schedule was different folks would plan accordingly. This event isn't growing, and to grow my opinion is that it needs to be more attractive for more people. If the weekend is set up for those taking a weeks vacation, then that's mostly what we'll get. If the event is set up to accomodate those who would go for a long weekend, then I think there is more chance for growth.

It really doesn't matter what each of us would personally prefer, decisions regarding organizational stuff can't be decided that way. The decision has to be based on what would work for most. And, if growth is the goal, the decision needs ot be based on how more people can be attracted to the event.

I remember very clearly the early years of the event when Sat was the biggest day and it was booming. Folks were coming in on Thurs and Fri. I was very dissapointed when I was there a couple of years ago and it was like a ghost town on the weekend. That, to me, means the event isn't what it could be. This is not a "good ole boys club" where we cater the event to the chosen few, we need to appeal to a broad base of people.

Well, I don't know why you say it isn't growing. I think that you have the 20th anniversary event out of the equation as that was highly promoted. Subtracting this year which was a failure in promotion, I am pretty sure that the event is growing. Reflecting back onto my rather poor memory I have to say that I recall numbers going up. Not sure if someone keeps track of actual numbers, but that's what I recall from going through registration.
I agree with you that there the bottom line is to increase the attendance to the event. Getting back to the Sat is a ghost town issue: IMHO that might be an indication that most folks do prefer to go back on Sat. The fact that dinner is scheduled on Fri does not mean that Sat nothing is happening. Every year there are trail rides scheduled for Sat and they are advertised. Most of the time though they get very poor attendance cause folks checkout and leave that day. Some wheel in the morning and start heading back home in the afternoon/evening too.

[Tom R.]

It's only conjecture until we have real data. We can poll people who plan to attend to determine if one night favors the other.

I understand the point Richard makes--and if it aligns with the majority, then great. If not, then a decision needs to be make to either cater to those attending or to the notion that having it on Saturday will attract more members. If the majority of a diversified group prefers a particular night, it's nearly assured the majority of potential attendees will be inline with it.

[Goatman]

It's only conjecture until we have real data. We can poll people who plan to attend to determine if one night favors the other.

I understand the point Richard makes--and if it aligns with the majority, then great. If not, then a decision needs to be make to either cater to those attending or to the notion that having it on Saturday will attract more members. If the majority of a diversified group prefers a particular night, it's nearly assured the majority of potential attendees will be inline with it.

I have to disagree on the poll idea, Tom. We've done polls before, and those who attend regularly and take a weeks vacation are the ones who speak up.......not a representative group, IMHO. We don't hear from those who don't have definite plans, decide later that they can make it for a shortere time, decide at the last minute, or are new and haven't been there before but might. We're where we are now because of a poll.

Remi, if most of the people go home on Sat, that exactly makes my point. Those are folks who have been there all week. You won't find folks who drove over Thurs driving back home on Sat. People will plan around what is scheduled. If the schedule changes, peoples plans will change.

BTW, we had mid 40's rigs the very first year, and 50 the second year. How many have there been the last few years? I had thought that the 20th anniversary event would be somewhat of a catylist to increase attendance at future Fall Flings, but that didn't happen. This needs to be evaluated. How in the world can you have an annual event in Oct (not July) that caters to folks taking a weeks vacation to attend? In my mind, Ray Charles can see that it won't grow. I've been saying this for 6 years, and my point is proven....it's not growing.

[Mike in NJ]

It's absolutely amazing that this keeps coming up, again, and again, and again.

Although I haven't been able to get West the last few years, I will say this about the first four years I got there (plus the year I had to turn back) - the "dinner" was the very least of my concerns. I don't think I'm the only one who decides to head to Fallfest on the basis of the location, the XJ's, and the people I get to wheel with.

And the 25th Anniversary adds an additional draw.

Why don't all you Friday night - Saturday night folks compromise? :kissyou:

Have an official Fallfest awards BREAKFAST on Saturday morning (maybe on Moab Rim? :D ) and be done with it!

It'll be the best chance for the largest number of people still around and it won't affect the unofficial awards "discussions" that will continue to take place every night throughout the entire week.

MG :patriot:

[XJEEPER]

I just took a poll of diversified Jeepers they all agreed that having the dinner and the raffle at the end of an event helps to keep folks there and increases attendance............I guess that settles it.

How many fans would be left in the stands if they bucked the bulls in the middle of the rodeo? Only those that liked calf roping and steer wrestling. No need to reinvent the wheel here folks. Awards are given, prizes are drawn, winners are trophied, kudos are handed out......at the end of the whichever event you attend. :banghead:

[Handlebars]

Maybe a change of venue will keep people around longer? 2 years after getting new owners, the conditions at Slickrock can best be described as squalor. I'm pretty sure that most of the Intermountain Chapter are staying elsewhere by now. One of the reasons for using Slickrock was the cafe area that has since been removed. Surely another campground has room for a large, unruly group? Maybe if we require everyone to wear shirts with collars a nicer campground will let us in.

[ChiXJeff]

Maybe a change of venue will keep people around longer? 2 years after getting new owners, the conditions at Slickrock can best be described as squalor. I'm pretty sure that most of the Intermountain Chapter are staying elsewhere by now. One of the reasons for using Slickrock was the cafe area that has since been removed. Surely another campground has room for a large, unruly group? Maybe if we require everyone to wear shirts with collars a nicer campground will let us in.
*REALLY*? Conditions are that bad at SlickRock now? That really blows. Guess I'm gonna have to come up with another plan for next October, I know what the g/f's reaction would be to that.

As far as the dinner goes, I'll be heading back east Saturday morning. There's no way around it. I have enjoyed the dinners in the past, but my travel schedule requirements just won't let me go to a Saturday function at Fall Fling.

[Vince]

Why not have two or more dinners? Friday for the raffle dinner and Saturday for a choice of where to go for part 2.

If there are going to be 300 or so XJ's attending it's going to be a task to cater for everyone's taste. Saturday night could be an opportunity to prebook tables at the popular places to eat in town.

I couldn't make it to this year's fling, but last year we spent an hour or so outside Moab Brewery on a thursday(?) waiting for our large group to be seated. Lets say there are 100 people left on Saturday that want to eat, that's five venues with a group size of twenty. It would be real nice if they knew we were coming in advance and were waiting for us.

[tcharon]

I think we should have the dinner so most people can attend & build. Fri. night means lots that have to leave Sat. can. We don't need to keep folks around wheeling on Sat. with the dinner as bait. I've stayed at Canyonlands & this year's Fling at Slickrock. I don't think it's squalor at Slickrock & there are larger open areas to gather & park, more cramped at Canyonlands. Canyon is a very little nicer, gas in front, more central, but seams to be a bit more booked and maybe make it harder for last minute folks to res. There's no Cafe area at Canyon either. Good idea by Vince that we book some other evening dinner at a restaurant also, we could do that with a sign up Tues. for Thurs. night as example. The big things are pick dates early, organize and promote early. Think about adding some or a trail on last Sunday for those who make it just a long weekend and live close enough to still get back Sun. night. I can do it any way it goes, I'm retired. Thom

[0313]

If you arent there by Friday night you more than likely wont be there on Saturday night. Only a few locals will be the ones really not making it til late Friday night. Alot more leave on Saturday than would make it Friday night.

Friday night it is. Also, there is no way slickrock can hold no 300 Jeeps. If there are going to be that many people there it doesnt matter where you stay, there will be a campfire or people everywhere you go.

[Jes]

Maybe a change of venue will keep people around longer? 2 years after getting new owners, the conditions at Slickrock can best be described as squalor. I'm pretty sure that most of the Intermountain Chapter are staying elsewhere by now. One of the reasons for using Slickrock was the cafe area that has since been removed. Surely another campground has room for a large, unruly group? Maybe if we require everyone to wear shirts with collars a nicer campground will let us in.

Slickrock is definately ghetto.
After staying there in May '06 before BOTW I'd say I'll never stay there again.

[Tom R.]

I have to disagree on the poll idea, Tom. We've done polls before, and those who attend regularly and take a weeks vacation are the ones who speak up.......not a representative group, IMHO. We don't hear from those who don't have definite plans, decide later that they can make it for a shorter time, decide at the last minute, or are new and haven't been there before but might. We're where we are now because of a poll.
Again, I understand your point, but so far you have absolutely nothing to support the idea that more people will hang around if you force the schedule upon them rather than finding out what works best for them. Find this out first. If you're correct, then make the change. If not, don't force unwanted change to satisfy a presumption.

0313 summed up the reality of the situation. Honestly, it doesn't matter to me personally what day we have it on. I was just trying to be more inclusive based on the feedback I received from many attendees.

[Goatman]

Again, I understand your point, but so far you have absolutely nothing to support the idea that more people will hang around if you force the schedule upon them rather than finding out what works best for them. Find this out first. If you're correct, then make the change. If not, don't force unwanted change to satisfy a presumption.

0313 summed up the reality of the situation. Honestly, it doesn't matter to me personally what day we have it on. I was just trying to be more inclusive based on the feedback I received from many attendees.

I just took a poll of diversified Jeepers they all agreed that having the dinner and the raffle at the end of an event helps to keep folks there and increases attendance............I guess that settles it.

How many fans would be left in the stands if they bucked the bulls in the middle of the rodeo? Only those that liked calf roping and steer wrestling. No need to reinvent the wheel here folks. Awards are given, prizes are drawn, winners are trophied, kudos are handed out......at the end of the whichever event you attend. :banghead:


Tom, actually, I think Jeff summed it up the best. The issue to me is promoting the event. If it looks like a week long event ending on Fri, that's the participation you're going to get. If it looks like a weekend focused event, then that's what you're going to attract. Like has been said in this thread a couple of times, the week long folks will come no matter what.

As far as info to support the idea, all I can do is remind folks of what the first few Fall Flings were like when the dinner was on Sat. We really have two different perspectives here, and both are valid. Some are looking at the issue from a promoting the event standpoint, and some are looking at it from personal preference. Sorry, when planning the overall dynamics takes priority over personal preference.

Hey, it's not up to me. I've promoted a number of successful events and think I have a feel for what makes an event tick, and I have a strong opinion about this topic. I'm glad you folks have heard me out.

[0313]

Back to the main topic here, thanks Goatman for already working on the FF 08. Looking forward to it.

[rightseatsis]

. The issue to me is promoting the event. If it looks like a week long event ending on Fri, that's the participation you're going to get. If it looks like a weekend focused event, then that's what you're going to attract.

I think this is something to consider, especially if the goal is to attract new people to Fall Fling. Those of us that have gone before know what a good time it will be and so using a week of vacation to attend is no big deal. However someone who has never come may not want to use "a weeks worth" of vacation. They may have a hard time getting their significant other to understand that much time just for driving around in the Jeep.

One thing the Fall Fling ends on the Columbus day weekend. Giving some people a 3- day weekend, so adding 1-2 days would not seem too hard to do.

Just a thought.


Mary

[Kejtar]

Back to the main topic here, thanks Goatman for already working on the FF 08. Looking forward to it.
And y'all will have to deal with me for tech inspection and registration again :D

[Tom R.]

The issue to me is promoting the event.
It's all good. As I said, which ever night it takes places doesn't personally matter to me.

[xjblue]

One thing the Fall Fling ends on the Columbus day weekend. Giving some people a 3- day weekend, so adding 1-2 days would not seem too hard to do.

Just a thought.Mary

The idea of Saturday Dinner preventing people from being there doesn't really register with me. The way I look at it, if you take 5 days off, and you need two days to travel, you then have at least two options.
A: Take Tuesday through Friday and the Monday after off, Columbus day might help out here for the bankers and other fake holiday types as Mary pointed out. But if not, you still have Thursday-Saturday trail runs to enjoy.
B: Take six days off instead of five :wave: (it's going to be worth it)

I like XJEEPER's argument also, I can't think of any other event that ends before it ends...

For my final arguements; what night the dinner/raffle is held has very little to do with what draws people to the event. Moab itself, scenic and surrounded by National Parks for starters is a draw, wheelin with fellow XJ'rs is a draw, the veriety of wheelin is a draw, the other activities like a park full of XJ's having a show n shine is a draw. If the 03 fling has any weight at all on your thoughts on the subject, I'd say a give away jeep is a huge draw, if it is given away on X Day, many people are going to show up at least by X Day and not leave a moment before that final raffle ticket is read come hell or high water, I am pretty darn sure of that. A moment later, stand aside for the exit stampede.

Lastly, Goatman you're the one "volunteering" to be in charge, forget polls and forget discussing it forever (I've seen other activities die in discussions), I say book it for what day you feel is best and book it quick because not only is it mostly your call (by right simply by your willingness to head it up let alone any official calling from the BOD) but most if not all already feel you will do a good job and therefore the event should draw a big crowd regardless. I already support your decision either way and look foreward to making plans based on it, the sooner everyone can make those plans and begin promoting the event in earnest, the better IMHO.





GO SATURDAY:rtm:

[djblade311]

I will help any way I can and as much as my wife will let me. :D

[Kejtar]

I will help any way I can and as much as my wife will let me. :D
Seeing how big next years event is supposed to be I'll be looking to have folks scheduled to take a turn at the registration table. It's a fun job as yo uget to meet folks and put a face to a name :)

[tcharon]

Seeing how big next years event is supposed to be I'll be looking to have folks scheduled to take a turn at the registration table. It's a fun job as yo uget to meet folks and put a face to a name :)
Reme, I'll do a shift, put my name down. And I'll volenteer to lead Hell's Revenge again unless someone more experienced will do it. Thom

[Goatman]

Lastly, Goatman you're the one "volunteering" to be in charge, forget polls and forget discussing it forever (I've seen other activities die in discussions), I say book it for what day you feel is best and book it quick because not only is it mostly your call (by right simply by your willingness to head it up let alone any official calling from the BOD) but most if not all already feel you will do a good job and therefore the event should draw a big crowd regardless. I already support your decision either way and look foreward to making plans based on it, the sooner everyone can make those plans and begin promoting the event in earnest, the better IMHO.

GO SATURDAY:rtm:

This whole discussion is about non-anniversary events, my personal opinion about something that would enhance attendance. It's a given on the 5 year anniversary events where we really are drawing from all over the country that the dinner will be on Fri. That decision is already made and the hall is already reserved. I am, however, working on a wrap up get together idea for Sat night.

On a side note, let's see how many people take off the Fri before the first weekend so they can get there earlier, but would argue that dinner should be Fri so they can travel home on Sat, when they could take the following Mon off to travel instead. I've seen the very people who have argued for the Fri dinner do this exact thing before.

Anyway, next year we're going to have a great time at a great event. :)

[IntrepidXJ]

On a side note, let's see how many people take off the Fri before the first weekend so they can get there earlier, but would argue that dinner should be Fri so they can travel home on Sat, when they could take the following Mon off to travel instead. I've seen the very people who have argued for the Fri dinner do this exact thing before.

when i take a week, i take the Fri before the first weekend AND the following Mon.......best of both worlds :)

[4xSanta]

This whole discussion is about non-anniversary events, my personal opinion about something that would enhance attendance. It's a given on the 5 year anniversary events where we really are drawing from all over the country that the dinner will be on Fri. That decision is already made and the hall is already reserved. I am, however, working on a wrap up get together idea for Sat night.

On a side note, let's see how many people take off the Fri before the first weekend so they can get there earlier, but would argue that dinner should be Fri so they can travel home on Sat, when they could take the following Mon off to travel instead. I've seen the very people who have argued for the Fri dinner do this exact thing before.

Anyway, next year we're going to have a great time at a great event. :)


Anything you come up with Richard gets my vote........SANTA

[Gerr]

I am planning on being there next year, I really hope my first moab trip is gona be worth it

[4xSanta]

I am planning on being there next year, I really hope my first moab trip is gona be worth it

It will be worth it,I will make sure it happens you will enjoy........SANTA

[Kejtar]

I am planning on being there next year, I really hope my first moab trip is gona be worth it
Moab is worth it whether it's big or small, whether it's well organized or not. Remember: Moab is a place to wheel and have fun and party at the campground :D As long as you got couple of people to hang out with that know the area, you're golden :cheers:

[xjblue]

This whole discussion is about non-anniversary events, It's a given on the 5 year anniversary events where we really are drawing from all over the country that the dinner will be on Fri.:)

Ah, I missed the point of the discussion somewhere.....consider my comments directed at the other events. on that side note; Some peoples kids! Taking the Friday before the weekend before the event? and complain about not having travel time if there was a Saturday dinner? .:rolleyes:

next year we're going to have a great time at a great event. :)
I am planning on being there next year, I really hope my first moab trip is gona be worth it
It will be worth it,I will make sure it happens you will enjoy........SANTA
Moab is worth it whether it's big or small, whether it's well organized or not. Remember: Moab is a place to wheel and have fun and party at the campground As long as you got couple of people to hang out with that know the area, you're golden

I can personally vouch for every Fall Fling since 2002!
Thanks to everybody from GRNT Leading the big friday tiptoe group on Hells Revenge in 2002 to Tcharon leading the small Saturday group on Hells Revenge for his first time less than two weeks ago, You both did excellent jobs, I've lead it myself a time or two in the mean time yet I still learn from other leadership! Also thanks to EVERYBODY in between. Including each one of our local chapter spring runs there in,04,05,06, and 07! All worth it!
A buisness aquaintance in Russia just told me in an email yesterday that his friend in Moscow dreams of being able to wheel in Moab some day!

[GSequoia]

A buisness aquaintance in Russia...

What, they are opening up business in the America and need person to deposite large check? You keep 20% for trouble and forward remainder to Russia?

[tcharon]

Ah, I missed the point of the discussion somewhere.....consider my comments directed at the other events. on that side note; Some peoples kids! Taking the Friday before the weekend before the event? and complain about not having travel time if there was a Saturday dinner? .:rolleyes:






I can personally vouch for every Fall Fling since 2002!
Thanks to everybody from GRNT Leading the big friday tiptoe group on Hells Revenge in 2002 to Tcharon leading the small Saturday group on Hells Revenge for his first time less than two weeks ago, You both did excellent jobs, I've lead it myself a time or two in the mean time yet I still learn from other leadership! Also thanks to EVERYBODY in between. Including each one of our local chapter spring runs there in,04,05,06, and 07! All worth it!
A buisness aquaintance in Russia just told me in an email yesterday that his friend in Moscow dreams of being able to wheel in Moab some day!
Thanks for those comments, I will only get better at leading it for next time if I'm needed. I will never miss FF again. Thom

[WayneXJ]

Thanks for those comments, I will only get better at leading it for next time if I'm needed. I will never miss FF again. Thom

Unless your 1/2 day of work every other week gets in the way. :D:laugh:

[4xSanta]

Unless your 1/2 day of work every other week gets in the way. :D:laugh:

I think that naxja should have some of you older gentelmen carry a walker instead of a spare tire and maybe a oxygen tank instead of OBA so you can continue to run FF..........SANTA

[tcharon]

Unless your 1/2 day of work every other week gets in the way. :D:laugh:
I'll ask for some time off so I can upgrade my rig before then. Thanks for the super birthday in Pritchet!
Thom

[tcharon]

I think that naxja should have some of you older gentelmen carry a walker instead of a spare tire and maybe a oxygen tank instead of OBA so you can continue to run FF..........SANTA
We'll see who's still going in 10 when I have my 70th at FF.

[Goatman]

Hey, Dad will be with me in '08, as usual, and he'll be 80. :)

[Grant]

but I don't know how to replace the CO/CA challenge. :)

<rising from the dead>
If you plan another CO/CA challenge, I may just have to come visit the Fall Fling again.
<retreats into oblivion again>

[Jes]

<rising from the dead>
If you plan another CO/CA challenge, I may just have to come visit the Fall Fling again.
<retreats into oblivion again>


Hi Grant! :wave1:

[Goatman]

<rising from the dead>
If you plan another CO/CA challenge, I may just have to come visit the Fall Fling again.
<retreats into oblivion again>


I was hoping you'd pop your head in here and say hi!

There will be plenty of empty seats, Grant, so please plan on joining us. Plus, early in the week we're going to have some special festivities for participants in another special event. :)

[Grant]

I was hoping you'd pop your head in here and say hi!

There will be plenty of empty seats, Grant, so please plan on joining us. Plus, early in the week we're going to have some special festivities for participants in another special event. :)

It has been a looooooong time since I had time to look at NAXJA.

I will have a better idea of the 2008 schedule come early December.

Brief synopsis of life in the last couple years
- bought a couple of Mini Cooper S's
- raced and autocrossed them with the SCCA
- won the 06 GS National championship with a friend driving (I suck as a driver, but can set up a car I guess)
- Sold that Mini (first time I have sold a car for more than I paid for it, woohoo)
- Chief Steward of the Colorado Time Trials and Performance Driving Experience programs for the SCCA.
- teaching Data Analysis and Aquisition for the Evolution driving school and for colorado SCCA
- sold my cherokee (sad day to see her go, but some parts live on)
- selling the road race Mini (want to buy a C or D Sports Racer)
- navigated in a Rally car to the CO hillclimb G2 championship, also some national rallies
- ice racing the Subaru STi.

Potential 2008 plans
- part owner of an ARCA roundy round team, waiting on driver to confirm sponsor money
- if that fails, and I can find some $$$, I intend building a wrecked STi I have for the Pikes Peak hillclimb and the CO hill climb series.

but I should be able to find a few days to come visit you guys in Moab in Oct. Let me know if I can assist in any way.

regards to my XJ buddies

Grant

[ChiXJeff]

You've sold the Durabak XJ? 'tis a sad day, indeed.

[Grant]

You've sold the Durabak XJ? 'tis a sad day, indeed.

yup, the XJ sat at the back of the shop for almost 18 months without seeing a trail. Last trail was Chinaman's Gulch in May 2005. I needed cash for race tires last year, and decided she had to go.

I put nearly 200K miles on her, went from stock to 37's, used her as a pickup truck when I built the house in 95/96, and had so much fun over the years on the trails and with the NAXJA crowd.

Almost shed a tear when she left on the back of a trailer. Sad day indeed

I see I need to change my sig, to reflect my lack of an XJ.

Grant

[XJEEPER]

<rising from the dead>
If you plan another CO/CA challenge, I may just have to come visit the Fall Fling again.
<retreats into oblivion again>

Grant, good to hear from you. Bring the Mini and we can burn up the river road after dark................

[woody]

It has been a looooooong time since I had time to look at NAXJA.

I will have a better idea of the 2008 schedule come early December.

Brief synopsis of life in the last couple years
- bought a couple of Mini Cooper S's
- raced and autocrossed them with the SCCA
- won the 06 GS National championship with a friend driving (I suck as a driver, but can set up a car I guess)
- Sold that Mini (first time I have sold a car for more than I paid for it, woohoo)
- Chief Steward of the Colorado Time Trials and Performance Driving Experience programs for the SCCA.
- teaching Data Analysis and Aquisition for the Evolution driving school and for colorado SCCA
- sold my cherokee (sad day to see her go, but some parts live on)
- selling the road race Mini (want to buy a C or D Sports Racer)
- navigated in a Rally car to the CO hillclimb G2 championship, also some national rallies
- ice racing the Subaru STi.

Potential 2008 plans
- part owner of an ARCA roundy round team, waiting on driver to confirm sponsor money
- if that fails, and I can find some $$$, I intend building a wrecked STi I have for the Pikes Peak hillclimb and the CO hill climb series.

but I should be able to find a few days to come visit you guys in Moab in Oct. Let me know if I can assist in any way.

regards to my XJ buddies

Grant

Damn Grant, you need a couple hobbies :D

Holler if that ARCA gig gets you into the SE area...

[Goatman]

but I should be able to find a few days to come visit you guys in Moab in Oct. Let me know if I can assist in any way.

regards to my XJ buddies

Grant

Well, how about cooking brats at the show and shine? :D


We have to get you roped into something to be sure you'll show up! :)

[MJR]

yup, the XJ sat at the back of the shop for almost 18 months without seeing a trail. Last trail was Chinaman's Gulch in May 2005. I needed cash for race tires last year, and decided she had to go.

I put nearly 200K miles on her, went from stock to 37's, used her as a pickup truck when I built the house in 95/96, and had so much fun over the years on the trails and with the NAXJA crowd.

Almost shed a tear when she left on the back of a trailer. Sad day indeed

I see I need to change my sig, to reflect my lack of an XJ.

Grant

Damn it's been a while.

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Mike R

[Jes]

Ah, the "well hung" South African on Jackhammer.
Good times! :laugh2:

[Kaczman]

Hmmmm.... I thought he was Australian???? :)

If you need a seat, I should have one open.

-Jon