johnson valley??? lets go!

[xDUMPTRUCKx]

I'm tired of big bear, lets go run the real stuff, ya its hot but I wanna run some trails. I've never run the jv stuff but I wanna do clawhammer then if that's not so bad try sledgehammer. Sometime soon preferably.....who's in?


Btw the high in 29 palms was 89 today....

[Jump This]

The nights out in the desert recently have been incredable!
But how long do you think that will last?
I'm booked up for the next two weeks....and by then its going to back to :flame: ing hot.
I think I might wait until September for another JV run.
Unless I'm convinced otherwise... :D
Rick R

[Captain Ron]

Big Bear to JV. Now that's a big leap. :D

Have you tried some of the Stoddard trails yet? It's a good place to tune up and hone the driving skills. It's also a hell of alot closer to support.

Rick, still on 33's? My local group is going out Friday night for a 33's and 35's only run and there is still room for one more...

Just make sure you have more than one spare tie rod. :D

--ron

[David Taylor]

The big event put on by Victor valley 4wheelers(fun in the desert) is coming up the end of September. This is a good time for first timers to go.
http://mysite.verizon.net/res8w168/id18.html


Also in November( should be 10-12) is the big naxja event.

[Goatman]

Also in November( should be 10-12) is the big naxja event.

The annual XJ event in JV will be Nov 18-19. We'll run trails for every level, even mostly stock.

[xDUMPTRUCKx]

Big Bear to JV. Now that's a big leap. :D

Have you tried some of the Stoddard trails yet? It's a good place to tune up and hone the driving skills. It's also a hell of alot closer to support.

Rick, still on 33's? My local group is going out Friday night for a 33's and 35's only run and there is still room for one more...

Just make sure you have more than one spare tie rod. :D

--ron

What's out at stoddard valley? I know I've seen stuff about HDR and achy breaky but if there were some websites or something with trail descriptions/direction. I'm on 36" locked front and rear, tsl sx's and I actually just got all my parts in to put on my hysteer kit, tera knuckle alumiflex rods 1 ton ends so I'm not worried about steering any more.

Where's your group goin? Who is your group? I'd love to go, what trails/ how hard compared to say the john bull stuff?

[xDUMPTRUCKx]

Whhooops just realized that invite was directed rick not me.....lol.......I'm retarded.

[Jump This]

Big Bear to JV. Now that's a big leap. :D

Have you tried some of the Stoddard trails yet? It's a good place to tune up and hone the driving skills. It's also a hell of alot closer to support.

Rick, still on 33's? My local group is going out Friday night for a 33's and 35's only run and there is still room for one more...

Just make sure you have more than one spare tie rod. :D

--ron


Thanks to ZJMikey I am now running 35's!
Although the invite is much appreciated, Friday is the first day of my vacation and I will (GOD willing ;) ) be hooked up to a trophy bass by friday night!!
BTW I should have picked up Johnny's spare tie rod!! Damn it! Now I need to buy an entire new OTK set up!! ...and rear disks....and new motor mounts...and...and.....and.....:D
Rick R

[Captain Ron]

Vacation?

Going wheeling is a vacation. :D

--ron

[RWKHausSupply]

http://www.rocknroll4x4.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10025/sledge3.jpgHey Ben check out www.Tinbenders.org (http://www.Tinbenders.org) They basically own the hammers and are thats basically thier home. They are mostly Toys, but they have a few Jeeps, and are great guys / girls, If you can hang with some good ole fashion sh1t talking..

You will have to register then hope that you find a run in the near future, and for god's sake you better not give the XJ a bad name lol..

Careful though, I have been to alot of private and local rock crawling / racing events and they (Tinbenders) are freakin MAD. If you hear, oh that wasnt so bad, then maybe find a bypass.... LOL

Oh heres a picture of a Bender line though Sledge

[XJ_ranger]

Hey Ben check out www.Tinbenders.org (http://www.Tinbenders.org) They basically own the hammers and are thats basically thier home.


pretty sure I pay taxes too...

checking...


checking...

oh yeah - the government took their share outta my last paycheck... :D :D

[Jump This]

pretty sure I pay taxes too...

checking...


checking...

oh yeah - the government took their share outta my last paycheck... :D :D

Ya think he meant it in a metaphorical sence?? :D
And I believe I have the record for the longest uninterupted run up Clawhammer, and therefore, I 'own' that one!!:laugh3:
Rick R

[Captain Ron]

...
And I believe I have the record for the longest uninterupted run up Clawhammer, and therefore, I'm 'owned' by that one!!:laugh3:
...

Ficksed. :D

--ron

[xDUMPTRUCKx]

pretty sure I pay taxes too...

checking...


checking...

oh yeah - the government took their share outta my last paycheck... :D :D


I get paid by your taxes (usmc), and then I pay taxes on your taxes! How the hell does that work out retaxing taxes? At least when I'm over in iraq its tax free.

[RWKHausSupply]

well I see that the Name tinbenders mean nada to most here or its just unknown, but they are very active in the Hammers, as well as raising large soms of $ to allow the continued use of our public trails.

In any case yeah anyone can "do" the hammers. But try to follow a bender through outer limits or such, and you will see why I brought them up..

There's not many groups that are as fun (an enjoyable to watch) as the benders. Mix one part bender and one part toyota and that is a very volotile combo. But man is it fun to watch..

Once my rockers are done and some of the exo (hopfully by nov at this rate) I will be more then happy to join ya Ben..

[xDUMPTRUCKx]

well I see that the Name tinbenders mean nada to most here or its just unknown, but they are very active in the Hammers, as well as raising large soms of $ to allow the continued use of our public trails.

In any case yeah anyone can "do" the hammers. But try to follow a bender through outer limits or such, and you will see why I brought them up..

There's not many groups that are as fun (an enjoyable to watch) as the benders. Mix one part bender and one part toyota and that is a very volotile combo. But man is it fun to watch..

Once my rockers are done and some of the exo (hopfully by nov at this rate) I will be more then happy to join ya Ben..
hey you have any progress pics of your exo? I wanna see, that's next on my list, I gotta get some material together and get over to the base auto hobby shop let them bend it up for me for free! Can't wait so I can cut my damn roof off.

[David Taylor]

hey you have any progress pics of your exo? I wanna see, that's next on my list, I gotta get some material together and get over to the base auto hobby shop let them bend it up for me for free! Can't wait so I can cut my damn roof off.

I'm no "Tin Bender" and I know you didn't ask for it, but in my opinon, I would never put an exo on a rig that goes to JV. Or anyplace else for that matter.

[Captain Ron]

I'm a tin bender.

Really. I am. :D

--ron

[Jump This]

Yeah....but you charge to bend it!!
Ho!
:D
Rick R

[CRASH]

pretty sure I pay taxes too...

checking...


checking...

oh yeah - the government took their share outta my last paycheck... :D :D

Ron actually pays you guys to fawk around with angle grinders and go sailing?

[Captain Ron]

Just the angle grinders.

They sweep from time to time also. :D

--ron

[RWKHausSupply]

I know you didn't ask for it, but in my opinon, I would never put an exo on a rig that goes to JV. Or anyplace else for that matter.
And since you give your opinion, I must give mine.

Thats the dumbest thing I ever heard! Unless you didnt like Any of the sheet metal to resemble a XJ after a few dozen good hard runs...

[Jump This]

And since you give your opinion, I must give mine.

Thats the dumbest thing I ever heard! Unless you didnt like Any of the sheet metal to resemble a XJ after a few dozen good hard runs...


Sheeesh...Dave had a bad episode with an exo cage once, and he has never been the same since.
Lets not get into the exo cage debate here...:firedevil:
But....a buggy has some serious advantages in big rocks.
And an exo cage is just a realy FAT (wide?) buggy...that doesn't
have any advantages in big rocks.
Ask Bent about rock damage...or
Dan....or Ryan....heck, you could even ask me! :D
Rick R

[Loose_Nuts_Enterprises]

Sheeesh...Dave had a bad episode with an exo cage once, and he has never been the same since.
Lets not get into the exo cage debate here...:firedevil:
But....a buggy has some serious advantages in big rocks.
And an exo cage is just a realy FAT (wide?) buggy...that doesn't
have any advantages in big rocks.
Ask Bent about rock damage...or
Dan....or Ryan....heck, you could even ask me! :D
Rick R

What damage? are you saying I have body damage??

I guess my days of "Best of Show" are over.

Actually, I consider those as trail trophies.....

-Dan

[David Taylor]

And since you give your opinion, I must give mine.

Thats the dumbest thing I ever heard! Unless you didnt like Any of the sheet metal to resemble a XJ after a few dozen good hard runs...


I will try and keep an open mind. Maybe you could help change my mind with your Idea's on the exo. How do you plan on protecting the doors without making the b-pillar
a rock anchor. Maybe you have a two door ? They just always seem to add weight with little or no real added protection

[RWKHausSupply]

I will try and keep an open mind. Maybe you could help change my mind with your Idea's on the exo. How do you plan on protecting the doors without making the b-pillar
a rock anchor. Maybe you have a two door ? They just always seem to add weight with little or no real added protection

Cant really protect the "doors" them self and keep it 4dr freindly. But you Can run a roof tube at the apex of the roof lines either side tied to the gutter rails in at least 5 places each side as well as full front lower fender line and tied from a radiator hoop to the lower side rockers. Then a upper fender tube to a cowl area hoop that the roof tubes tie to, back to a rear bumper hoop. Then one more from the rear bumper over the rear tire following the fender line to the rockers. Thats about the best I think can be done. All in all what 150-175lbs in tube.

With something as basic as this you would not only preserve the body some, but allow the full structure some true ridgitness. But you are fully correct in that the doors would not be protected much. But with a nice designed rocker and roof (lower on the side of the roof/side) at least you would preverse the opening areas mostly. And more then anything build a slide area up high and down low as well as full hood area protection and rear body line.

Thats just my .02

[Rawbrown]

No, I think Ray Pili has you beat on that one. something about a broken moser shaft at the wheel flange. Wasn't that JB's wedding? had to leave it on the trail for like a day or two IIRC.
Ya think he meant it in a metaphorical sence?? :D
And I believe I have the record for the longest uninterupted run up Clawhammer, and therefore, I 'own' that one!!:laugh3:
Rick R

[Rawbrown]

Ditto...
I'm no "Tin Bender" and I know you didn't ask for it, but in my opinon, I would never put an exo on a rig that goes to JV. Or anyplace else for that matter.

[Rawbrown]

man, you should see the pace that these guys work at...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzz
Ron actually pays you guys to fawk around with angle grinders and go sailing?

[Rawbrown]

doesn't look like much of an XJ with a jungle gym mounted to it.
And since you give your opinion, I must give mine.

Thats the dumbest thing I ever heard! Unless you didnt like Any of the sheet metal to resemble a XJ after a few dozen good hard runs...

[Rawbrown]

If one is afraid of getting body damage to the point of an EXO, then one should rething the desire to explore the hammers of JV.
Sheeesh...Dave had a bad episode with an exo cage once, and he has never been the same since.
Lets not get into the exo cage debate here...:firedevil:
But....a buggy has some serious advantages in big rocks.
And an exo cage is just a realy FAT (wide?) buggy...that doesn't
have any advantages in big rocks.
Ask Bent about rock damage...or
Dan....or Ryan....heck, you could even ask me! :D
Rick R

[XJ_ranger]

Nice to meet you Ben!





There were no Tin Benders there* - thank god the owners of the trail didnt show up... they'da been pissed that we were blocking up the trails for so long!

*Chris Butler may or may not be a Tin Bender, but on the CB he proclaimed "There are no tin benders here" :D

[Rawbrown]

if you really thing that an exo is gonna do all that in JV, then your in for a suprise. JV is the kinda place that even if you double up on the condom, your still gonna get her pregnant. the hammers are that kind of a whore. the only reason you need roof protection is because your adding the weight thats gonna pull your roof closer to the rocks.
The minute I stopped carrying a spare and a tool for every possible problem, I stopped having those problems. I started wheeling a lightened jeep and I found forward progress to be easier. Rather than grinding a diff into a rock I can grind a diff over a rock and keep going. So you talk about 150-175# like its nothing. Its alot. give it a try, run a trail with 3 people in your jeep then run the same trail by yourself. night and day
Cant really protect the "doors" them self and keep it 4dr freindly. But you Can run a roof tube at the apex of the roof lines either side tied to the gutter rails in at least 5 places each side as well as full front lower fender line and tied from a radiator hoop to the lower side rockers. Then a upper fender tube to a cowl area hoop that the roof tubes tie to, back to a rear bumper hoop. Then one more from the rear bumper over the rear tire following the fender line to the rockers. Thats about the best I think can be done. All in all what 150-175lbs in tube.

With something as basic as this you would not only preserve the body some, but allow the full structure some true ridgitness. But you are fully correct in that the doors would not be protected much. But with a nice designed rocker and roof (lower on the side of the roof/side) at least you would preverse the opening areas mostly. And more then anything build a slide area up high and down low as well as full hood area protection and rear body line.

Thats just my .02

[RWKHausSupply]

if you really thing that an exo is gonna do all that in JV, then your in for a suprise. JV is the kinda place that even if you double up on the condom, your still gonna get her pregnant. the hammers are that kind of a whore. the only reason you need roof protection is because your adding the weight thats gonna pull your roof closer to the rocks.
The minute I stopped carrying a spare and a tool for every possible problem, I stopped having those problems. I started wheeling a lightened jeep and I found forward progress to be easier. Rather than grinding a diff into a rock I can grind a diff over a rock and keep going. So you talk about 150-175# like its nothing. Its alot. give it a try, run a trail with 3 people in your jeep then run the same trail by yourself. night and day

3 people! Daym that only equals 150-175lbs to you? Shit my wife wieghs that alone,

I do wheel with others and alone and yes it makes a difference, so why dont you remove your bumpers? I mean you dont need them either right? Or are they already gone? I have never hit a bumper on any bolder or such, but plenty of rockers, roof lines and corners.

[RWKHausSupply]

and yeah I guess you can take easier lines. But to really get the testosterone pumping I feel liek I need to take lines that are not the "easy" one, and then once I get all fubared in, then worry about getting out. With that mentality its worth it to ME to just add protection where its needed to ensure saftey as well as allowing my doors to open / shut and the rear hatch to still function. Not to mention the corners from crushing in so easily an the radiator protected.

Again just my opinion. Oh and I see more exo rigs that are doing the most difficult JV trails then not. So,I am not alone I think... Or It could always be that I just happen to see them and thats not the true case?

[RWKHausSupply]

Nice to meet you Ben!





There were no Tin Benders there* - thank god the owners of the trail didnt show up... they'da been pissed that we were blocking up the trails for so long!

*Chris Butler may or may not be a Tin Bender, but on the CB he proclaimed "There are no tin benders here" :D

So bens shit (you know I mean that in a good way lol) made it through? What trail(s) did you run?

[XJ_ranger]

So bens shit (you know I mean that in a good way lol) made it through? What trail(s) did you run?

made it all the way to camp!

we ran Claw Hammer, Lower Big Johnson, and Backdoor (sorta)

[Butler]

*Chris Butler may or may not be a Tin Bender, but on the CB he proclaimed "There are no tin benders here" :DI am most definitely not a Tin Bender. I saw you guys taking a lot of pics, are you going to post them up? M wife got very few. :(
I have to link them so I need to get them on my host.

[xDUMPTRUCKx]

Wow what a blast!

Captin rons rig was amazing, floated right over whoops and dips that would swalow a small honda.

Avery, opie, ron, phil, you guys were awesome thanks for putting up with me and showing me some of what jv has to offer. I had a really good time and my forehead is sunburnt.

Well after seeing what the hammers were like I'm going to big bear this afternoon! Lol ill be running holcomb and dishpan, figured I'd stay in my own league.

I'm probablly gonna check out stoddard valley soon ala rons advice, hopefully soon. So look out for a stoddard valley, lets go post.

Butler I got a few pics one of you attacking and conquering that sand dune so ill try an post thems up, I got a bunch on rons cam too including a video of you making that climb on backdoor.

Thanks again guys!

[Butler]

Post up pics of Ron's rear end explosion, too, that was fun. Thanks again for lunch Ron!

[Captain Ron]

It was an easy trails run. Avery and I wanted to hit more than a few trails, but with some smaller shorties in the group, it took awhile to get through at night.

The air shocks were a step closer to being right. Avery and I blew by the group on the way to the trail at a moderate 45-50 MPH. Other than some bottoming out, 3 foot whoops are no longer a problem.

Quote of the night from a shortie way back in the dust: "NAXJA fags." :D

Saturday was better.

I think Ben got his JV 101.

I flogged the livin hell outta the MJ on Backdoor. It was time for a bash test before I sort out all the stuff I shoulda had time to do right during the build.

http://www.liracon.com/ron/post/jv09.jpg

http://www.liracon.com/ron/post/jv10.jpg

I kept at it for at least 5 minutes after I should have winched up. :D

http://www.liracon.com/ron/post/jv11.jpg

Buggy guys think they can just park anywhere. :D

http://www.liracon.com/ron/post/jv12.jpg

Chris B. Almost up. He didn't make it on this attempt. He used the cooler to stack with on the next one, and made it. :D

--ron

PS: Robert, when is the last time you took your rig out there and did a *Tin Bender* line? Wait, lets make this easy. Any line? :D

[Butler]

http://www.liracon.com/ron/post/jv12.jpg

Chris B. Almost up. He didn't make it on this attempt. He used the cooler to stack with on the next one, and made it. :D


If I pm you my addy will you send me a hi-res copy of that pic, please?

[Captain Ron]

Shoot it to me Chris and I'll send it off to you. It was nice to let someone else do the welding for a change. :D

--ron

[David Taylor]

Wow, looks like that might hurt. What all did it take out ?
http://www.liracon.com/ron/post/jv10.jpg


It looks like this buggy is way off to the right of the line. Did you try it to the left the way I went ? Did anybody make up without the winch ?
http://www.liracon.com/ron/post/jv12.jpg

[Butler]

It looks like this buggy is way off to the right of the line. Did you try it to the left the way I went ? Did anybody make up without the winch ?
There are acually three lines there of which the far left line is the easiest. I have made it up and then down all three and a winch is only to be used to get you off if you've broken. The way I see it, If you can't make a line without a winch, you don't belong on that particular trail.

[David Taylor]

There are acually three lines there of which the far left line is the easiest. I have made it up and then down all three and a winch is only to be used to get you off if you've broken. The way I see it, If you can't make a line without a winch, you don't belong on that particular trail.

Soory. when I saw this from Ron "He didn't make it on this attempt."
I took that to mean you didn't make it.

[Butler]

Chris B. Almost up. He didn't make it on this attempt. He used the cooler to stack with on the next one, and made it. :D

No sweat.

[Paul S]

Looks like you're gonna have to step up to 3/16" Ron. It's only weight ;)

Sept. 15th, get it done.

Paul

[Captain Ron]

Wow, looks like that might hurt. What all did it take out ?

It looked really bad. The pinion was pointed straight up... 90 degrees from normal. The upper passenger arm at the frame was the failure point. The frame doubling "ripped" off, mostly a material failure. The axle housing rotation took out the lower ends of the shocks, and the u bolts on the pinion.

Lifting the chassis pulled just about everything back in place, Chris welded the upper link mount in a usable location, I put caps back on the u joint and bolted it back up. The airshock shafts threaded back on the lower mounts. It took around 45 mins to get sorted out, and I was able to drive it off the trail.

It's going to get another 3 inches of wheel base. Where the ride height is settling in at, I'm closer to 103", unloaded, it's gotta be less than 100".

--ron

[Captain Ron]

Looks like you're gonna have to step up to 3/16" Ron. It's only weight ;)

Damn. :D

Sept. 15th, get it done.

Paul

"Interns, please report to the MJ..." :D

--ron

[Butler]

Crap, looks like I'll miss you. I'll be there the next week and the week after that.

[mikedashg]

I flogged the livin hell outta the MJ on Backdoor. It was time for a bash test before I sort out all the stuff I shoulda had time to do right during the build.


Glad Cal and I came and watched.

http://f10.putfile.com/thumb/8/22202590264.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=main/8/22202590264.jpg&s=f10)

http://f10.putfile.com/thumb/8/22203001133.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=main/8/22203001133.jpg&s=f10)

http://f10.putfile.com/thumb/8/22203002628.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=main/8/22203002628.jpg&s=f10)

http://f10.putfile.com/thumb/8/22203005139.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=main/8/22203005139.jpg&s=f10)

http://f10.putfile.com/thumb/8/22203010525.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=main/8/22203010525.jpg&s=f10)

http://f10.putfile.com/thumb/8/22203122159.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=main/8/22203122159.jpg&s=f10)

http://f10.putfile.com/thumb/8/22203123538.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=main/8/22203123538.jpg&s=f10)

http://f10.putfile.com/thumb/8/22203133075.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=main/8/22203133075.jpg&s=f10)

http://f10.putfile.com/thumb/8/22203144656.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=main/8/22203144656.jpg&s=f10)

http://f10.putfile.com/thumb/8/22203145459.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=main/8/22203145459.jpg&s=f10)

Not too shabby for a cell phone.

[cracker]

I sence ALOT of hostility between some here and the Tin Benders. You know when I got in to jeeping over a decade ago in a TJ there wasnt this type of drama. Its a shame that some here appear to have such issues with other groups that in such a short time have done such great things and in a way more then most, to help keep our land open to the public.

Yeah I know NAXJA has done good things and I am not trying to compare anything here. But daym theres some drama I feel here? And how can you be so hostile? towards a group (A VERY SMALL GROUP) for contribiting such many hours, money, blood sweat and fab work, to help YOU ALL as well as myself the continued enjoyment of out public land, as well as trying to fight to open previously public land.

As far as JV I could Care Fawking less if you think I am doing it the way you would, I am research and sitting back, Once I bought this XJ back around nov I sat and read and researched on what was different and such from the XJ to what I had in a TJ.

Ok well to all you too cool people out there, I think you should be on pirate more then here, unless your trying to bring pirate mentality in to this. And yeah yeah your medators and such. and your gods to some. But sorry I dont see it that way and yes I paid for a memebership here even before I bought my XJ. SO go a head and through your drama out there, since it makes ya feel better about your self..

:flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame:

[RWKHausSupply]

dude, get a life... Or something... I mean empty post, just to get a reaction, that yes I bit in to, but still, it just shows / confirms... :moon:

[Loose_Nuts_Enterprises]

I've never felt compelled to quote Rodney King, but here it goes....

"Can't we all just get along???"

-Dan

[Gerr]

when is the next run?

[cracker]

when is the next run?

The big one is in November but there is a lot of night runs in the meantime.

[OT]

The big one is in November but there is a lot of night runs in the meantime.
Did you check with the TBs, before you scheduled this year?

[cracker]

Did you check with the TBs, before you scheduled this year?


:doh:

[GSequoia]

Johnson Valley scares me.

[XJ_ranger]

You know when I got in to jeeping over a decade ago in a TJ there wasnt this type of drama.
TJ? A Decade ago?

wow that is quite the feat!

anyone got a 96 or older TJ for sale?

[RWKHausSupply]

TJ? A Decade ago?

wow that is quite the feat!

anyone got a 96 or older TJ for sale?

yeah they didnt make Jeeps before 96 either.. yeah there are quite a few assh0les here thats for sure. Makes me still wonder if its because in the real world they were the ones that got thier lunch money taken from them in school, and we're the little boys scared to take a shower in PE becasue of fear they would be made fun of or :shiver: worst??

[Phil]

...we're the little boys scared to take a shower in PE becasue of fear they would be made fun of or :shiver: worst??

That sucks, dude. That might be why you got trolled so hard.

[RWKHausSupply]

That sucks, dude. That might be why you got trolled so hard.

Umm, you think that I was the one taken thier money and treating them like punks in High school? :eeks1: Maybe...

[RWKHausSupply]

I will say that, giving money to help support a group like this may not have been in my best interest, and I ask myself, if its worth it to anyone, if you dont bow down to the "cool" ones here?

[Gerr]

Umm I hate to say it but If i were having the feelings you are about this group id stop posting in it and move on. I for one have enjoyed everyone ive met through Naxja

[RWKHausSupply]

Umm I hate to say it but If i were having the feelings you are about this group id stop posting in it and move on. I for one have enjoyed everyone ive met through Naxja

I agree the people from here that i have Met In Person, all have been great people! But the Following here of those that are a know all, must comment on the stupid shit, and try to insult freely at will, to those that are not on their Cool list, well they are the ones that I am refering to, and unfortunately I am finding that some are the "Representitives" of this board. Being in some form of official'ness here. And thats what is sad...

[Sniggs]

I agree the people from here that i have Met In Person, all have been great people! But the Following here of those that are a know all, must comment on the stupid shit, and try to insult freely at will, to those that are not on their Cool list, well they are the ones that I am refering to, and unfortunately I am finding that some are the "Representitives" of this board. Being in some form of official'ness here. And thats what is sad...Oh Boo-XXXXing-hoo! :rattle: ask for a goddamned refund then.

It's the Internet, fer chrissakes!

[GSequoia]

You're also reading into things too much. Don't immediatly get all pissed off and such when somebody makes a single comment because in most situations where people say shit they're just poking a little fun.

Just laugh it off.

Sequoia

Fawk 'em if they can't take a joke. (or what that joke 'em if they can't take a fawk?)

[Captain Ron]

I've never felt compelled to quote Rodney King, but here it goes....
...

Dan...

Louder next time. :D

--ron

[corbinafly]

You're also reading into things too much. Don't immediatly get all pissed off and such when somebody makes a single comment because in most situations where people say shit they're just poking a little fun.

Just laugh it off.

Sequoia

Fawk 'em if they can't take a joke. (or what that joke 'em if they can't take a fawk?)
x a trizillionsess sses

Kyung

[Loose_Nuts_Enterprises]

Dan...

Louder next time. :D

--ron

Can't we all just get along????


Seriously though, I'm the one who should be mad....all these guys driving hundreds of miles to go to a place 60 miles from me without an invite..... Shameful.

Just remember, those elitist remarks are coming from guys whose XJs have become lighter an more efficient from parts being destroyed and ripped from the uniframe at JV over the course of years. I agree that there was some advise in this thread, although mostly (or all) tongue-in-cheek.

You'll always be welcome to wheel with us....it really is a great bunch of guys to hang with. I hope WE ALL get over this petty shit slinging session without the taste of shit in our mouths in the end. Probably a tall order for such a lively crew, but it really was intended to poke a little fun.

I think I'm rambling ..... Hopefully my point wasn't lost along the way.

BTW, I've done a whole bunch more damage to my junk at Truckhaven doing stupid stuff, than anywhere including the Hammers.

-Dan

[Andy Steiner]

"Can't we all just get along???"
The official answer to that question is ALWAYS no.

[Andy Steiner]

Johnson Valley scares me.
Greg... I-15 scares you!

[Captain Ron]

http://www.liracon.com/ron/post/jv13.jpg

http://www.liracon.com/ron/post/jv14.jpg

http://www.liracon.com/ron/post/jv15.jpg

--ron

[XJ_ranger]

http://www.liracon.com/ron/post/jv13.jpg


That is one Stylin' XJ!

:D


and a few people who have Met In Person...

[GSequoia]

GEOFF... I-15 scares you!

Fixed. :twak:

:D

And I'm working on the I-15 stuff, just you wait I'll beat the spread this coming October ;)

[Matt S.]

.............


tell you what... show up to the november event, run a trail I am going on.... let me show you what to do.... then tell me we are wrong.:D


:sure: :firedevil

[Captain Ron]

...
run a trail I am going on.... let me show you what to do....
...

Is that with your junk, Matt's junk, Goat's junk, or Rick's junk?

It surely will not be with my junk, yet.

:D

--ron

PS: Please repeat your pose in my next 4X mag center spread photo. TIA.

:D :D :D :D :D :D

[Gerr]

Hey Dan im only 30 miles away and I didnt get a invite either lol not that my xj could make it anyways

[Matt S.]

Is that with your junk, Matt's junk, Goat's junk, or Rick's junk?

It surely will not be with my junk, yet.

:D

--ron

PS: Please repeat your pose in my next 4X mag center spread photo. TIA.

:D :D :D :D :D :D


haha... well this year I am with Bryan! I have to make the rounds, everyone can get a piece of me. ;)

JV is my place to not drive, at least for 5 more years! I will prolly be driving Goats junk a few times over that week, and hopefully a little of matt's cat, maybe Ricks too if we can start the "special" drinks early!

What pose? I dont know if I want to know what your talking about...



:moon:

[Captain Ron]

...
What pose? I dont know if I want to know what your talking about...



:moon:

In the 4WD & Sport Ute issue on last years run, the center spread pic at the beginning of the article. You and Brett are classic. Makes the whole pic of me on the waterfall look very serious. :D

--ron

[Matt S.]

In the 4WD & Sport Ute issue on last years run, the center spread pic at the beginning of the article. You and Brett are classic. Makes the whole pic of me on the waterfall look very serious. :D

--ron


Oh.. haha! I just looked at it, THAT pose. Well... it was serious, we both knew you could not drive so we were not looking forward to watching ANOTHER rig winch up lol. I think this year... I will make a special pose for your photo shoot.:photo: :photo:

[GSequoia]

Oh.. haha! I just looked at it, THAT pose. Well... it was serious, we both knew you could not drive so we were not looking forward to watching ANOTHER rig winch up lol. I think this year... I will make a special pose for your photo shoot.:photo: :photo:

So that's what the Hooters Girls outfits I sent to you are for?

[Matt S.]

No,... I thought those were yours! You said they needed to be taylored to fit your new "implants".

Thats the pose he is talking bout guys... had to scan it, crummy quality.
http://img439.imageshack.us/img439/8899/meandbrettandronaq5.jpg


And for those of you that dont know who "we" are... I am in the green shirt, BrettM is on the left of me and Captain Ron isTRYING to drive.

Hey, and Paul looks pretty serious.

[GSequoia]

...and Captain Ron isTRYING to drive.

He does that a lot.

[Captain Ron]

I've improved immensely.

37's :D

--ron

[David Taylor]

I've improved immensely.

37's :D

--ron


http://www.opiebennett.com/images/Jeep/JohnsonValley61006/img_5534.jpg

Couldn't help myself. Yes, I know my day is coming.

[RWKHausSupply]

Daym, at least fix it so we all can see it..
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k40/rob_laurali/img_55341.jpg

[Captain Ron]

It all makes perfect sense to me now.

I was starting to wonder why nobody wants to ride with me anymore. :D

--ron

[GSequoia]

It's just a flesh wound.

[xDUMPTRUCKx]

I've never felt compelled to quote Rodney King, but here it goes....

"Can't we all just get along???"

-Dan




no because i kill people for a living.



this picture says it all.


http://www.liracon.com/ron/post/jv14.jpg



bitches.

[cracker]

It all makes perfect sense to me now.

I was starting to wonder why nobody wants to ride with me anymore. :D

--ron

And I have to follow in the 'short bus' full of his 'interns' :D

[Goatman]

You guys make me sick. You're out wheeling while I'm either working or stuck at home working on my junk. I need to put in a request for all the full moon weekends off.......and get my junk finished.

You guys are a bunch of elitist bitches, you should be ashamed of yourselves.

So, when's the next JV run that we're not going to tell anyone about?



BTW, I decided to get rid of the exo...........and the doors, and fenders, and quarter panels, and roof, and windshield, and rockers, and A,B, and C pillars, and the whole back half of the Jeep. :D

[cracker]

You guys make me sick. You're out wheeling while I'm either working or stuck at home working on my junk. I need to put in a request for all the full moon weekends off.......and get my junk finished.

You guys are a bunch of elitist bitches, you should be ashamed of yourselves.

So, when's the next JV run that we're not going to tell anyone about?



BTW, I decided to get rid of the exo...........and the doors, and fenders, and quarter panels, and roof, and windshield, and rockers, and A,B, and C pillars, and the whole back half of the Jeep. :D

You know what chanel to hit us up in :phone: :D

[Mike L]

http://www.liracon.com/ron/post/jv15.jpg

--ron

Looks close to an exo to me.

:shocked:

-Mike

[Captain Ron]

Looks close to an exo to me.

:shocked:

-Mike

Too true. It's the last time you'll see it like that. I'm cutting all the tube off and doing it again.

--ron

[Captain Ron]

You guys make me sick. You're out wheeling while I'm either working or stuck at home working on my junk. I need to put in a request for all the full moon weekends off.......and get my junk finished.

You guys are a bunch of elitist bitches, you should be ashamed of yourselves.

So, when's the next JV run that we're not going to tell anyone about?



BTW, I decided to get rid of the exo...........and the doors, and fenders, and quarter panels, and roof, and windshield, and rockers, and A,B, and C pillars, and the whole back half of the Jeep. :D

Richard, you're breaking my heart, man. :D

--ron

[vintagespeed]

well I see that the Name tinbenders mean nada to most here or its just unknown.....

now thats pretty funnay right there.

i know the benders, they.re the guys that leave their beercans all over JV. i guess it's okay since they "own" it...... :jester:

[RWKHausSupply]

now thats pretty funnay right there.

i know the benders, they.re the guys that leave their beercans all over JV. i guess it's okay since they "own" it...... :jester:

Dude your pushing it there. Others that maybe try to be a bender (like my self say, but I would never leave any trash) may be the ones yrou refering to. Maybe do a little research before bashing a very ligit and VERY GIVING! club! Now you can say I am "sack riding", but it is only because they decerve! all the respect they earn.

Just so I know.. Whens the last time or who else has ever, donated all the man hours and coord. hours to find a stock rig, then fully build one of the most capable rigs, all they while they are at a national event where they shoud be enjoying the terrain like everyother person out there, but instead they spend thier time walking around trying to get donations $ for raffle tickets, Just so they can donate the $ and the Time and the Rig for US ALL? That one show of effort at TDS last yr was More then I see 99% of the clubs out there, doing for fund raising so we ALL can enjoy public trails and more so the reopening of lost trails.

But hey if you want to Bash them thats on you and shows your Ignorance..... I will say its true though that they are a crowd that can be very verbal and insulting at times on the trail. But they also (unless they have changed in the last 5 months) will give you any part you need just as though they were a Fellow Jeeper (or atleast like some of us) out on the trail, and even take over the repair if you dont know what your doing..

Now back to the praising of the NAXJA crew since I know I just pissed off oll the hardcore members here that think NAXJA is the only club worth crap?

[Paul S]

now thats pretty funnay right there.

i know the benders, they.re the guys that leave their beercans all over JV. i guess it's okay since they "own" it...... :jester:

Not true Jim. The Benders take keeping JV clean to the extreme.
Have you ever taken the time to clean the ashes out of your camp fire?

Paul

[Andy Steiner]

Just so I know.. Whens the last time or who else has ever, donated all the man hours and coord. hours to find a stock rig, then fully build one of the most capable rigs, all they while they are at a national event where they shoud be enjoying the terrain like everyother person out there, but instead they spend thier time walking around trying to get donations $ for raffle tickets, Just so they can donate the $ and the Time and the Rig for US ALL?
That would be NAXJA, 2003 in Moab for the Fall Fling. That year was the 20th anniversay of the introduction of the XJ. To celebrate, the Southeast Chapter bought and built an XJ. Virtually every component, save for the engine and transmission were replaced with aftermarket accessories.
More than 175 rigs were registered that year and the Southern California chapter served more than 300 meals at the award dinner on Friday night.

[RWKHausSupply]

That would be NAXJA, 2003 in Moab for the Fall Fling. That year was the 20th anniversay of the introduction of the XJ. To celebrate, the Southeast Chapter bought and built an XJ. Virtually every component, save for the engine and transmission were replaced with aftermarket accessories.
More than 175 rigs were registered that year and the Southern California chapter served more than 300 meals at the award dinner on Friday night.

Very COOL! I didnt know that. I have read on past events and just never saw a post in regards to that happening. But only 175? Was it only open to XJ/Mj 's? The jambo that the TB gave thier last rig away was 209 participants registered, but they are open to any make / model,. Oh and so you know if you didnt already, they are making it a normal occurance to build one per yr now from what it looks like.

[Matt S.]

Very COOL! I didnt know that. I have read on past events and just never saw a post in regards to that happening. But only 175? Was it only open to XJ/Mj 's? The jambo that the TB gave thier last rig away was 209 participants registered, but they are open to any make / model,. Oh and so you know if you didnt already, they are making it a normal occurance to build one per yr now from what it looks like.


Listen dude.. no one really gives a hoots ass about the TBs. We donate more of everything than they do, but we are also national. They do not own JV, they dont any trail. No one owns any one trail. We all SHARE and USE EQUALLY. We all should fight for the same cause. You coming here spouting off about things YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE on does not do any one person any good at all. So please, just sit back, learn, show up to events, come wheeling with us, go wheeling with TBs, just wheel. THEN tell us what we do or don't know. Ok?



ugh:exclamati :exclamati :exclamati

[Captain Ron]

...
ugh:exclamati :exclamati :exclamati

Scrappys' aren't supposed to get exasperated. :D

--ron

[XJ_ranger]

Scrappys' aren't supposed to get exasperated. :D

--ron

no - they are supposed to do one weekend STaK installs so next weekend when we call them, and offer a seat again, they can say yes....


:D

[Andy Steiner]

Very COOL! I didnt know that. I have read on past events and just never saw a post in regards to that happening. But only 175? Was it only open to XJ/Mj 's?

Yup. 175 XJs and MJs. Over 300 participants. Here's the thread:
http://www.naxja.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&f=29&page=1&pp=20&sort=lastpost&order=desc&daysprune=-1


Oh and so you know if you didnt already, they are making it a normal occurance to build one per yr now from what it looks like.

Would be nice to do that again. Maybe every five years or so.