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JeepFreak21
July 27th, 2006, 15:44
The wife and I have a chance to get a killer deal on one of these...
http://www.slicky.net/misc/Beretta-92FS.jpg (http://www.berettadefence.com/INGLESE/default_presentazione_pistole_serie92.htm)
[Click the picture for more info.]

We're in the market for our first 9mm semi-auto. Looking for some opinions.
Thanks,
Billy

RichP
July 27th, 2006, 15:54
Reliable, relatively cheap, still a 9mm, I'm more of a .45 person myself. Only reason they got 'popular' was the US military adopted them and thats a guaranteed road to success with any pistol. Have her hold it first and if possible fire it, depending on her and your hands it may be big for one, small for the other.
As for me, nothing beats a colt royal blue finish vs the finish on most of the new pistols.

JeepFreak21
July 27th, 2006, 16:06
Reliable, relatively cheap, still a 9mm, I'm more of a .45 person myself. Only reason they got 'popular' was the US military adopted them and thats a guaranteed road to success with any pistol. Have her hold it first and if possible fire it, depending on her and your hands it may be big for one, small for the other.
As for me, nothing beats a colt royal blue finish vs the finish on most of the new pistols.

It felt great in both of our hands. At MSRP this gun is quite a bit more than we wanted to spend. We were leaning toward the XD9 before we came acrossed this.
Thanks,
Billy

Clint
July 27th, 2006, 16:11
I'd go with the XD9 if getting a 9mm.

ECKSJAY
July 27th, 2006, 16:16
Carried one for a while in the Army. I 'liked' it, like I would 'like' my sister or dog. It worked but to me I never got used to the 'shape' of it. They're good pieces of equipment but I'm a bit indifferent about them. Carried it because I had no choice, worked when I needed it to, but I wouldn't consciously purchase one. :roll:

I'm in the market real soon here for a 9mm and it WILL BE a CZ-75 P-01 model. Compact, doublestack, VERY ergonomic, and shoots like a dream. :) I'm a big fan of the CZ pistols, but that's probably my heritage talking. ;) Could easily go with another Glock but I've already got one.

red91
July 27th, 2006, 16:19
I'm more partial to Columbo, or Kojak.

JeepFreak21
July 27th, 2006, 16:20
Carried one for a while in the Army. I 'liked' it, like I would 'like' my sister or dog. It worked but to me I never got used to the 'shape' of it. They're good pieces of equipment but I'm a bit indifferent about them. Carried it because I had no choice, worked when I needed it to, but I wouldn't consciously purchase one. :roll:

I'm in the market real soon here for a 9mm and it WILL BE a CZ-75 P-01 model. Compact, doublestack, VERY ergonomic, and shoots like a dream. :) I'm a big fan of the CZ pistols, but that's probably my heritage talking. ;) Could easily go with another Glock but I've already got one.

So, your opinion has a lot to do with just how it fit in your hand? Cause it was more comfortable to my wife and I than the XD, Glock, or Sig.
Thanks,
Billy

[edit] we haven't shot it yet, btw

Lawn Cher'
July 27th, 2006, 16:22
I'm more partial to Columbo, or Kojak.

Magnum, PI is what I remember as a kid.

red91
July 27th, 2006, 16:30
Magnum, PI is what I remember as a kid.



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/red91inWA/kojak.jpg

Rev Den
July 27th, 2006, 16:35
I've got a Tomcat, Beretta is a decent quality firearm. As long as you stay with a quality product, you can't lose.

Find what you like, find what fits, find what you shoot best. Buy what you want.

Rev

ECKSJAY
July 27th, 2006, 16:49
So, your opinion has a lot to do with just how it fit in your hand? Cause it was more comfortable to my wife and I than the XD, Glock, or Sig.
Thanks,
Billy

[edit] we haven't shot it yet, btw

I usually split even on fit and function, less on 'appearances' from an aesthetic point of view. The deal with the Beretta for me had to do with the way the slide was set. I just could never fully get used to gripping it up top for malfunction clearing. Just seemed too big I guess for what it was.

Just about any major manufacturer is going to put out a decent piece, so I usually choose based on the function I want it to perform, then evaluate it at the range.

97XJ Jeeper
July 27th, 2006, 16:52
Glock 22 .40 cal
15+1 cap

ECKSJAY
July 27th, 2006, 16:57
Glock 22 .40 cal
15+1 cap

Excellent contribution.

planefixer
July 27th, 2006, 18:29
I've heard both good and bad things about the 92fs.I my self have a Walther P99 Military 9mm (pre S&W) and absolutely love it.It fires flawlessly and is one of the most comfortable handguns I've ever held.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/planefixer/P7090002.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/planefixer/P7090001-1.jpg

Next up will be a Kimber Tactical Custom II in .45

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/planefixer/large_custom2.jpg

JeepFreak21
July 27th, 2006, 18:42
I've heard both good and bad things about the 92fs.I my self have a Walther P99 Military 9mm (pre S&W) and absolutely love it.It fires flawlessly and is one of the most comfortable handguns I've ever held.

[IG]http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/planefixer/P7090002.jpg[/IMG]

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/planefixer/P7090001-1.jpg

Next up will be a Kimber Tactical Custom II in .45

[IG]http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/planefixer/large_custom2.jpg[/IMG]

http://www.slicky.net/smilies/eek3.gif how many rounds do those mags hold???
Billy

Kittrell
July 27th, 2006, 18:43
http://www.slicky.net/smilies/eek3.gif how many rounds do those mags hold???
Billy
30?

Kittrell
July 27th, 2006, 18:44
Next up will be a Kimber Tactical Custom II in .45

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/planefixer/large_custom2.jpg

My best buddy's old man has one of those, nice piece.

planefixer
July 27th, 2006, 18:47
http://www.slicky.net/smilies/eek3.gif how many rounds do those mags hold???
Billy

(2) 10 rd
(3) 17 rd
(3) 32 rd
and (1) 15 rd thats in the gun .

Got it all as a package deal from a buddy of mine.

5-90
July 27th, 2006, 18:50
Try this on for size - I've always wanted one (and I'm not sure why...)

http://www.lesbaer.com/monob.html

Les Baer Monolith. Just ugly enough to be beautiful, I think...

5-90

JeepFreak21
July 27th, 2006, 18:50
(2) 10 rd
(3) 17 rd
(3) 32 rd
and (1) 15 rd thats in the gun .

Got it all as a package deal from a buddy of mine.

Damn, those legal in CO?
Billy

Kittrell
July 27th, 2006, 18:51
I'll probably be in the market Janurary. I want to put my hands on a Sig P226R Crimson Trace .40 and see what that does for me.

http://www.sigarms.com/images/catalog/product/226R-CT-left.jpg

planefixer
July 27th, 2006, 19:08
Damn, those legal in CO?
Billy


They sure are.Impractical (the 32s) but nice and legal.

Rev Den
July 27th, 2006, 19:17
They sure are.Impractical (the 32s) but nice and legal.

You need that many in 9mm.
:D

Since we are into the "My next gun" phase of this thread......

http://ruger.com/Firearms/images/Products/229L.jpg

In .480 Ruger.

Rev

Dvipercop
July 27th, 2006, 19:18
http://www.sigarms.com/images/catalog/product/226R-CT-left.jpg

Geez! To many damn buttons to hit on that. I'm with Ecksjay... Glock4Life! :D

97XJ Jeeper
July 27th, 2006, 19:26
i love my glock 22 .40 cal, simple, easy to clean and alot of fun to shoot at night with my surefire X200 tac light

RichP
July 27th, 2006, 19:26
Next up will be a Kimber Tactical Custom II in .45



Just got one of these in the house last month for ccw, it goes everywhere now.
http://www.kimberamerica.com/images/pistols/compact/large_procarryhd2.jpg
got USMC grips and tritium 3 dot, ambi safety and mag release, all in all a nice setup.

ECKSJAY
July 27th, 2006, 19:28
Geez! To many damn buttons to hit on that. I'm with Ecksjay... Glock4Life! :D

:roll:

Rev Den
July 27th, 2006, 19:33
To the CCW group..

Wht would you carry a single-action auto for carry? I would think a double-action or combo would be a better choice. I never did like the idea of carry with the hammer back, but that is just me.

Rev

ECKSJAY
July 27th, 2006, 19:40
To the CCW group..

Wht would you carry a single-action auto for carry? I would think a double-action or combo would be a better choice. I never did like the idea of carry with the hammer back, but that is just me.

Rev

That IS just you. :) There's nothing wrong with it, that's just how they happen to be made. Even with a DA/SA combo I still carry in Condition One because there's consistency in trigger pull from shot to shot.

goodburbon
July 27th, 2006, 19:55
I have a 96 FS stainless model which is the .40 version. Over 1000 rounds through it and not one misfeed or misfire and the trigger breaks like glass. Excellent quality, not clunky like the glocks. Simple disassembly and cleaning, a solid double action auto IMO.

Personally I like a firearm that is solid and doesn't rattle like a box of loose parts when shaken. Having said that I am also partial to the Hk USP .40,
My wife loves her Bersa thunder .380, but it's too small for my hand and bruises the web on recoil. I didn't notice at first because it was so light and accurate, but after 100 rounds or so it was pop, ow, pop, ow, pop OW what the hell? had a nice little square bruise.

Fergie
July 27th, 2006, 20:47
Here is my CCW.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v176/bergferg/9adc9895.jpg
Next one will be a Tomcat, just like Rev. My father has carried a Tomcat(when he isnt carrying his Kimber) for several years now and is extremely pleased.

Fergie

Phantom
July 27th, 2006, 21:08
LOL..I thought you meant the car...my buddy used to love those things especially when they came out with the GTP model.

woody
July 28th, 2006, 12:23
You need that many in 9mm.
:D

Since we are into the "My next gun" phase of this thread......

http://ruger.com/Firearms/images/Products/229L.jpg

In .480 Ruger.

Rev

that is a near copy of an idea I had back when Ruger first came out with the Super Redhawk... bob the barrel flush with the shroud, install fixed 3 dot trijicons or meprolite sights, trim the hammer back, 'melt' all the edges... big-bore carry gun.

I had a 5.5" old-school Redhawk .44 and it was a fine piece, just a bit big for concealed carry... I did carry it though, in a cross-draw hi-ride Bianchi leather. Worked good with a jacket or vest... not as handy as a small-frame 5-shot though.

jeepinxj01
July 28th, 2006, 12:48
that is a near copy of an idea I had back when Ruger first came out with the Super Redhawk... bob the barrel flush with the shroud, install fixed 3 dot trijicons or meprolite sights, trim the hammer back, 'melt' all the edges... big-bore carry gun.

I had a 5.5" old-school Redhawk .44 and it was a fine piece, just a bit big for concealed carry... I did carry it though, in a cross-draw hi-ride Bianchi leather. Worked good with a jacket or vest... not as handy as a small-frame 5-shot though.


They've got the Super Redhawk available w/ the bobbed barrel. The Alaskan model. .454 Casull. Mean pistol.

jeepinxj01
July 28th, 2006, 12:56
They've got the Super Redhawk available w/ the bobbed barrel. The Alaskan model. .454 Casull. Mean pistol.


I guess if I would have looked closer I would have realized that's what it was. My bad.

johnlv6
July 28th, 2006, 15:20
I had a Beretta 92. It was identical the M-9 i had to qualify with in the air force. I think that's why i bought it originally. I've shot several different handguns (some are H&K USP .40+.45, 92FS, Glock .45, XD-40, Sig .40.. a 226 i think). Looking back on it, i'm not that impressed with the Beretta 92...that's not even getting into the limited stopping power of the 9mm round.

In terms of accuracy the Glock was the best, the XD best for ergonomics, and the USP .40 was my all around favorite.

zthang43
July 28th, 2006, 15:45
If you are concerned with the price of the Beretta 92, check out the Taurus 92/99 series. They look very similar to the Beretta, except the safety is mounted on the frame instead of the slide, and they shoot pretty well. Taurus has pretty good customer service too, if you ever had a problem with it.

My personal choice is a full size (Government model) 1911 .45; recoil is a lot lower than most of the "plastic" pistols that I've owned, such as the XD 9mm and a Glock 23 .40 cal. I like the Glock for it's simplicity but it is a more difficult gun for a beginner to shoot well than the 1911 or the Beretta.

The Sig's are great too, and you can often find them for good deals as police trade-in's (when a police department upgrades their guns they sometimes sell the old ones back to a gun shop like the one I worked for). I have noticed that the Sig's have a bit more muzzle flip than the 1911, with the same loads. I think this is because the Sig sets the barrel higher up from your hand, applying more torque to your wrist.

From my experience, I advise you to buy a pistol that is both comfortable to hold and shoot for your first gun. If it's uncomfortable or hard to control, it will be much harder to learn to shoot well. The Beretta 9mm is a good choice for those reasons; a Taurus 9mm or a full size 1911 .45 would also be good choices.

BTW I don't like the poor stopping power of the 9mm, but it is easier for a beginner to shoot than a .40, which has more power but also more "snap" to it.

theslacker
July 28th, 2006, 20:11
You know you're a car nut from Canada when you think of this Berettahttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/theslacker/beretta.jpgbefore the gun

Kittrell
July 28th, 2006, 20:56
My best buddy's old man has one of those, nice piece.

I take that back, it's an Eclipse Custom II.

JeepFreak21
July 28th, 2006, 21:47
I went back to the gun shop today... just couldn't ignore how comfortable this gun is in my hand, so I bought it. I'll let you know in 10 days how it shoots :rolleyes:.

Anybody know the best place to find mags online?

Thanks,
Billy

Beej
July 28th, 2006, 21:51
You know you're a car nut from Canada when you think of this Berettahttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/theslacker/beretta.jpgbefore the gun :laugh2: No doubt. I think most of the guns on this page are illegal here...

RichP
July 29th, 2006, 08:15
:laugh2: No doubt. I think most of the guns on this page are illegal here...

Curious, if you call a cop for an intruder and dominos for a pizza who gets there first ???

Beej
July 29th, 2006, 09:36
Cop. But what intruder has a gun up here? Pretty freakin' rare unless you live in Toronto or Vancouver. You'll have to come visit here to see how friendly and peaceful we really are...

MontanaXJ
July 29th, 2006, 10:22
I have a Model 96
http://products.berettausa.com/images/immagini_maxi/96_Brigadier_S_maxi.jpg

I also like the H&K USP and for a 9mm I would get the Glock 19
http://www.hecklerkoch-usa.com/images/media/productimages/rightbar/usp9.jpg
http://glockmeister.com/images/glock19.jpg

As others have mentioned I really want a Kimber .45
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/planefixer/large_custom2.jpg

RichP
July 29th, 2006, 10:51
Cop. But what intruder has a gun up here? Pretty freakin' rare unless you live in Toronto or Vancouver. You'll have to come visit here to see how friendly and peaceful we really are...

Realllllly ?!?!?! Probably because you told the cop you ordered a pizza, donuts would work even faster.. :D
http://www.primetimecrime.com/
http://primetimecrime.com/contributing/Wickstead/200505Wickstead06.htm
http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/firearms/control/ukutopia.html

Kittrell
July 29th, 2006, 11:54
Cop. But what intruder has a gun up here? Pretty freakin' rare unless you live in Toronto or Vancouver. You'll have to come visit here to see how friendly and peaceful we really are...

Why would he need one, you all leave your doors unlocked. He could probably clean out half of your house before you even knew he was there.

mowlasley
July 29th, 2006, 13:16
Cop. But what intruder has a gun up here? Pretty freakin' rare unless you live in Toronto or Vancouver. You'll have to come visit here to see how friendly and peaceful we really are...

Besides, the point is not to match the weapon you are up against, but to have superior firepower. If the bad man has a knife, I want a gun.

5-90
July 29th, 2006, 14:09
Besides, the point is not to match the weapon you are up against, but to have superior firepower. If the bad man has a knife, I want a gun.

"Sure, I believe in peace. Peace through superior firepower."

I don't recall who said it, but it works for me!

5-90

MogifiedXJ
July 29th, 2006, 14:14
I've heard both good and bad things about the 92fs.I my self have a Walther P99 Military 9mm (pre S&W) and absolutely love it.It fires flawlessly and is one of the most comfortable handguns I've ever held.

Next up will be a Kimber Tactical Custom II in .45

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/planefixer/large_custom2.jpg

That kimber is badass but I would buy the ultra tactical II instead of that big ass thing...

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f144/thetvaman/large_ultra2jpg.jpg (http://s46.photobucket.com/albums/f144/thetvaman/?start=#imgAnch1)

oh yeah much nicer...

As far as the berretas go one of my favorites is the bdl 380 stainless steel with walnut grips. They quit making them a few years ago but you can still find new ones and if you look hard enough you might even be able to find one of the old belgium made ones.

Fish'nCarz
July 30th, 2006, 14:57
I had a buddy (he's passed now) who used to say, "An armed society is a polite society."
I have his old Browning 9 mm. Great gun, but kind of skinny in my hand.

5-90
July 30th, 2006, 15:20
I had a buddy (he's passed now) who used to say, "An armed society is a polite society."
I have his old Browning 9 mm. Great gun, but kind of skinny in my hand.

Heinlein used to say that as well - or was your buddy's first name "Robert?"

I'm sure the quote is much older, but I first heard it from Heinlein, and it made perfect sense to me...

5-90

Kejtar
July 30th, 2006, 15:32
I'd go with the XD9 if getting a 9mm.
x2 XD's seem to be a really nice overall package. Comfortable grips and pretty reliable. I have two XD's (.45 and .40) and I'm eyeing a third one ;)
Anyways, they come in three barrell lengths for 9mm and .40: SC (3") Service (4") and Tactical (5"). If you're looking for an all around gun, I would recommend the Service model as it gives you a little bit of everything: It's not as big and bulky as the Tactical and it's easier to aim then the SC. Currently I have the SC in .40 and Tactical in .45 so I gues my next purchase will be Service in 9mm ;)

Fish'nCarz
July 30th, 2006, 17:37
Heinlein used to say that as well - or was your buddy's first name "Robert?"

I'm sure the quote is much older, but I first heard it from Heinlein, and it made perfect sense to me...

5-90
I don't know where Frank got it, but he used to say it whenever the topic of gun control came up!

theslacker
July 30th, 2006, 17:55
Cop. But what intruder has a gun up here? Pretty freakin' rare unless you live in Toronto or Vancouver. You'll have to come visit here to see how friendly and peaceful we really are...

Hey, give Surrey our props. We've got gangland drive-bys all the time