balistic fab

[reliablestv]

im thinking of buying some coil buckets from balistic fab http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/Axle-link-coil-mount-brackets-2_p_32-1444.html and was wondering if anyone has had any good, bad, or indifferent experiences with them

for 30 bucks a set between the steel and gas thats about what id have in building my own, but if it,s gunna take 2 months to get it i'll build my own

if this is in the wrong forum will a mod please move it

[xjcrawlr]

I ordered the lower coil bucket/CA mount/shock mount combo and thier adjustable upper coil bucket on June 1, I have not recieved them yet but i'll post when i do.

[CanMan]

IIRC, 53Guy used Ballistic Fab brackets for his front D44. Search under his posts, you should find something.

Use these though. http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/Link-bracket-coil-spring-shock-mount-combo_p_32-1461.html

[kerndogg]

I used this style on my setup
http://ballisticfabrication.3dcartstores.com/Flat-bottom-radius-arm-coil-mounts_p_34-1184.html
and they broke the first trip out...BUT THEY HAVE CHANGED THEM!!! the original had more material than the skull removed which weakend then and the didn't have the lower plate skid. I thought they looked a little light and added a skid to mine and some small gussets to the side which apparently wasn't enough. They sit so far from the axle that the side to side flex they get weakens the metal and it it will begin to crack from the 90* by the coil bucket down to the skull. I still am not saying they won't work. I called jeff at ballistic and they sent me the new version of these for only the cost of shipping. I plan to get the old ones cut off and the new ones on in the next month or so but I am going to add a stiffener plate between the 2 arms and big gussetts from tha axle to the sides of the brackets in about 3 places on each side. I think that for the price of these, you get what you pay for and if you take a little extra time to make sure thay are sturdy they will be indestructable. Great customer service and good designs, i just say if you think it looks like it might have a weak spot add some support.

[Ghost]

I have had a good experience with them so far. They were very helpful when I was asking questions about the different heims. I have only ordered a couple of times though. Heim joints and bungs for my CA's. Have not tried anything out yet since the build is still going on.

[ktm racer 419]

their coil buckets give about 2" of lift and are designed for flat bottom coil springs unlike our xj springs.

I cut off the tops of the coil perches and welded them to the ballistic brackets because i wanted my jeep off jackstands asap.

looks very hoopty, i would like to replace them with something nicer soon.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d18/ktmracer419/100_0532.jpg

[reliablestv]

their coil buckets give about 2" of lift and are designed for flat bottom coil springs unlike our xj springs.

I cut off the tops of the coil perches and welded them to the ballistic brackets because i wanted my jeep off jackstands asap.

looks very hoopty, i would like to replace them with something nicer soon.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d18/ktmracer419/100_0532.jpg

just wondering where are your uca's

[Ghost]

Might be a 3 link with one upper?

[Clint]

I've bought some of their tube inserts. Shipped fast received quickly. No problems to speak of.

[Moab Systems]

I ordered from them for a customers rig and they were great to deal with. Shipped fast and were received before they said they would be. The only think I would say is that they will lift the jeep almost 2 inches. We used those buckets on the back of a TJ with a very custom lift we designed. Even with modifying them very much, it was still faster and cheaper than cutting our own.

[hellbilly04]

their coil buckets give about 2" of lift and are designed for flat bottom coil springs unlike our xj springs.

I cut off the tops of the coil perches and welded them to the ballistic brackets because i wanted my jeep off jackstands asap.

looks very hoopty, i would like to replace them with something nicer soon.

I just installed my lower coil mounts on my Waggy 44 Sunday & wandering why your mounts are so high off the axle? My coil plate is less than 1/4 of an inch off the tube. Looks like that's where your getting the extra two inches of lift.

As for shipping from Ballistic, their web site is BS stating they ship the say day if the order is placed before 5pm.. Ordered my parts on Thrusday @ 3pm & didn't get them for over a week. Good stuff though & like said before can't beat the price.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d18/ktmracer419/100_0532.jpg

[ktm racer 419]

upper control arms are for sissies.

[KSXJ]

I just installed my lower coil mounts on my Waggy 44 Sunday & wandering why your mounts are so high off the axle? My coil plate is less than 1/4 of an inch off the tube. Looks like that's where your getting the extra two inches of lift.

As for shipping from Ballistic, their web site is BS stating they ship the say day if the order is placed before 5pm.. Ordered my parts on Thrusday @ 3pm & didn't get them for over a week. Good stuff though & like said before can't beat the price.


I would like to see some pictures of this setup, planning on building my waggy very soon.

[hellbilly04]

I would like to see some pictures of this setup, planning on building my waggy very soon.

PM me your email address & I'll send you some pictures of my set up, running wishbone up front & most guys here say they don't work. The pictures will tell the story, two years & counting no problems! :cheers:

[ashmanjeepxj]

My buddie Jeff owns ballistic, Its local like 5miles from my house. The business is growing strong, its doubled its size in the last year. They have built some custom stuff for me like my rock rings.

The older designs did have some failures, I heard Jeff sent out kits to reienforce the kits he had already shipped.

Heres a picture of me spottin jeff up a watter fall afew weeks ago.
I say get them.
http://www.wheelingarizona.com/forums/download.php?id=7510

[xjcrawlr]

I ordered the lower coil bucket/CA mount/shock mount combo and thier adjustable upper coil bucket on June 1, I have not recieved them yet but i'll post when i do.


Update;
I recieved the order on Fri and I was pleased when I opened the box. All the parts were wrapped nicely and the quality was good. The only thing I noticed was the tabs for the shock mounts were missing.
I went ahead and mocked them up (using magnets and rubberbands) to see if they would work for the YJ I'm building and unfortuanately they won't. They are made, as stated earlier, for flat bottom coils. And as I'm using TJ RE 3.5 coils for my project I decided not to use them. I called them up and talked to Nate, he was understanding and very willing to help me on this. I was offered a refund, but I declined in lieu of store credit to get some other things I will be needing.

All in all, a great company to work with, they will be getting more business from me in the future.

[ashmanjeepxj]

Update;
I recieved the order on Fri and I was pleased when I opened the box. All the parts were wrapped nicely and the quality was good. The only thing I noticed was the tabs for the shock mounts were missing.
I went ahead and mocked them up (using magnets and rubberbands) to see if they would work for the YJ I'm building and unfortuanately they won't. They are made, as stated earlier, for flat bottom coils. And as I'm using TJ RE 3.5 coils for my project I decided not to use them. I called them up and talked to Nate, he was understanding and very willing to help me on this. I was offered a refund, but I declined in lieu of store credit to get some other things I will be needing.

All in all, a great company to work with, they will be getting more business from me in the future.

Did you get the spring retainer?
http://ballisticfabrication.3dcartstores.com/assets/images/retainer.jpg
http://ballisticfabrication.3dcartstores.com/assets/images/newflatbottom3.JPG

They used those on my buddies Toyota using some chreokee coils. It worked fine..Its different then stock, the stock coils just sit in a bucket these are designed to clamp to the coil so they dont fall out.

Do you have pictures of what wont work for you? I have personally bolted up XJ coils to these brackets and had no problem.

[xjcrawlr]

Yes, the retainers were included, but when I mocked them up using the RE 3.5" coils, they wouldn't stay centered. I am being VERY perticular about this build and I want things to be exactly as I want them to be. I located a junk Dana 30 housing today and I'll be cutting off the coil buckets this weekend. For the upper coil buckets, I'm going to order them from Jeep. I also ordered a set of Dana 60 rear caliper brackets and 5* lower contol arm brackets from Ballistic. I'm going to concentrate on the front end getting finished before I move to the the rest.

[cal]

Update;
I went ahead and mocked them up (using magnets and rubberbands) to see if they would work for the YJ I'm building and unfortuanately they won't. They are made, as stated earlier, for flat bottom coils. And as I'm using TJ RE 3.5 coils for my project I decided not to use them.


I'm running flat coil buckets with Xj coils and its working a lot better than you might expect. Originally done as an oversight, I would not hesitate to set it up this way again.

http://www.shadowco.org/~cal/4x4/xj/D30/09-20-06_1841.jpg

http://www.shadowco.org/~cal/4x4/xj/D30/steering.jpg

[RWKHausSupply]

well I have to say that I didnt use the retaining piece either. But I Did use there stuff that was very sim to what is pictured above.

Easy fix and I like it better then stock. Pipe cap welded to the center, I think it was 2.5" sch 40, but I did put it on top of a fence ring I found first at a local steel store.

Works great!

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k40/rob_laurali/XJ/Front%20end/P1000245.jpg

just rings at first
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k40/rob_laurali/XJ/Front%20end/P1000230.jpg

[hman333]

hey just got my 60 and 14 bolt, and have been looking at ballistic stuff for a while for it, im just wondering, with the 3-in-1 combo bracket, are the lower mounts offset 5 or 10 or are they just straight, i am gonna run a 3link radius arm setup, and would these work fine for that

[RWKHausSupply]

hey just got my 60 and 14 bolt, and have been looking at ballistic stuff for a while for it, im just wondering, with the 3-in-1 combo bracket, are the lower mounts offset 5 or 10 or are they just straight, i am gonna run a 3link radius arm setup, and would these work fine for that

They are Not offset one bit. See picture below. I used the same mounts. Took some fab work as you can see with the center "centering" pads as mentioned above, as well as the shock spacing was like 1.25" not 1.5" so I had to do a little work there also. But if your able to do the swap, then your able to do these small fab items. For the 50$ I feel they were very worth it.

Be prepared though to have the front end pushed about 1.25" forward with these mounts with how the LCA is raised and spaced further back then stock. Also they will raise the front end of the jeep about 2".

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k40/rob_laurali/XJ/Front%20end/P1000229.jpg

[hman333]

hey man whered you get your upper mount

[RWKHausSupply]

hey man whered you get your upper mount

If your refering to me? I made it with a 4x4" 90deg gussett and a piece of 1x2x.120" rec tube (a piece of my tube bender handle) and then notched it for the johnny joint.

[hman333]

hey guys good news, jeff is releasing an XJ axle swap kit tomorrow, he said look for it on the site tomorrow night

[RCman]

hey guys good news, jeff is releasing an XJ axle swap kit tomorrow, he said look for it on the site tomorrow night
Hmmm, sounds interesting. Is it a universal type kit or is it something like T&T's where it's specific for a particular axle (in T&T's case the D44)?

I was planning on picking up the same brackets RobertK is using in a few days for my HP D60 buildup, mabye I'll just opt for the 'XJ kit' (depending on what it is and if it'll "play nice" with the full hydro setup I've got in the works).

Have to wait till tomorrow night I guess...

[hman333]

not sure, he just said look for it today sometime, and that it should solve any problems you have with the other brackets, i was gonna be using those same brackets too, but looks like we got new options now

[RWKHausSupply]

It's Nooot theeere..... Yet that is.. I am wondering if its just the same setup for the LCA/Shock/Spring mount as I bought alled with a pass side LCA tower and a Track bar mount tower. Cause thats what I basically used from his site (minus the UCA mount as that was just too easy to fab).

I do hope he addresses the lower spring mount setup, and adds a 'hump' or tube centering tube in the center of the pad. On a CJ that I did a full 4link and coil conversion on last yr it was way easy to just fab the lower mount and incorporate a Currie spring retainer bump stop kit in to. Works AWESOME! just took a piece of sch 40 pipe that just fit the ID of the TJ front spring, welded a 3/8" nut to a large washer that the OD was the same as the OD of the pipe, then welded the washer to the top of that centering pipe, with the nut inside. Then the Currie bumpstop / retainer just bolted to that. See below, I will see if I have a finished picture here at work, but I know I have a picture of the mount done, just no spring or retainer on it. But you shoudl get the idea. I went to A-Amfg.com and got round blanks, and leaf purches. Cut the face off the purches and then welded those to the round blank and then welded the spring mount to the axle.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k40/rob_laurali/33460003.jpg

[flexinout]

Still nothing on the site about a swap kit

[hman333]

still nothin, jeff told me it would be yesterday
Funny you should ask, we're coming out with a bracket kit tomorrow that will take care of your problems.. check back late tomorrow on our webpage uder "vehicle specific" -Jeff

[KSXJ]

still nothin - http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/Vehicle-Specific_c_91.html

[KSXJ]

Just got this sent in a pm. not sure why it came to me. But hey at least it looks like it is coming sometime. Kinda like tnt's waggy 44 coming soon????



I said i would not logon to NAXJA again because they locked down the forums, but....

Nate from ballistics sent me a message on another board because he is lockout of advanced fab and was trying to get your guys this message.

If you could add this to the thread.


Hey Dave,
This is Nate over at Ballistic. There is a thread going on right now on "advanced engineering and fabrication" about us offering a full XJ SAS kit and for some reason it is not letting me post a response to this particular thread. Could you do me a favor and help calm the flood of calls coming from this thread by posting a response? Here is what I would like it to say.

Here at Ballistic Fab are currently working on making brackets available for XJ/TJs that would allow fabricators to use better axles but maintain stock coil, link, and shock locations. Rumor has it that we are making an entire kit but currently we are only working on a set of brackets to replace the lower axle link mounts, the lower coil buckets, the shock mounts, and an axle trackbar mount.

While everyone is very excited about this bracket, it is not quite ready yet, and we'd appreciate your patience to allow us to get it right. We are looking at everyone's suggestions about what they'd like in the bracket and trying to incorporate them into the design, but it takes some time since maintaining everything in factory locations and mixing them with nonfactory parts (of which the combinations of parts is endless) complicates the design.

Again, this is a set of brackets and is not an entire kit, so more work will need to be done by the fabricator to finish the rest of the build. I know everyone wants to know all the specs of the brackets but until we are finished we won't have anything concrete to tell you, so please let us finish it before calling us to ask questions. Look to the website in the coming weeks for the brackets. Thank you.
Nate
Ballistic Fab



Thanks alot Dave.

[Captain Ron]

Ballistic Fab.

Hmmm.

Let me see.

I'm looking at a few of their parts right now. Let me be kind here.

How can I say this shit is shit from a fabrication standpoint. Booty fab for boooty fabbers.

Have at it you Advanced Fabricators. What a bunch of shit that belongs on Pirate.

Go ahead, challenge it. Please.

:D

--ron

PS: I wouldn't pay scrap rate for it.

[Mr.OverKill]

Ballistic Fab.

Hmmm. Let me be kind here.

How can I say this shit is shit from a fabrication standpoint. Booty fab for boooty fabbers.

Have at it you Advanced Fabricators. What a bunch of shit that belongs on Pirate.

:D

--ron

PS: I wouldn't pay scrap rate for it.for the most part i have to agree with ron on this one, it looks like some one with alot of money went out and bought a CNC cutter and a cad program and started cutting out random plate parts and realized that the could fit them together and sell them for the hot ticket of the week, any fabber with a torch and some skill could make the majority of those parts in less than an hour, thats with gringing and welding, less if they have a plasma cutter. but hell, who am i to say they arnt any good.

[xDUMPTRUCKx]

robertk used these coil buckets........


too bad he is not a paying member anymore (even though his wife brings in enough bacon to keep the 24s on his escalade spinnin :D)

or else he would probably post in here about them........

[53guy]

Ballistic Fab.

Hmmm.

Let me see.

I'm looking at a few of their parts right now. Let me be kind here.

How can I say this shit is shit from a fabrication standpoint. Booty fab for boooty fabbers.

Have at it you Advanced Fabricators. What a bunch of shit that belongs on Pirate.

Go ahead, challenge it. Please.

:D

--ron

PS: I wouldn't pay scrap rate for it.


What would you consider to be not shit, if a bracket that you see from ballistic fab is shit, I'd be interested to see non shit stuff. I ordered from them in the past and didn't have an issue with them and their brackets fit fine and held up really well. Could you have made it yourself? Yeah, they're not complicated parts, its just easier to order it already made when you don't have time to make up your own shit. And curious, what is an advance fab bracket? If they do the job, what's the difference?

[Matt S.]

What would you consider to be not shit, if a bracket that you see from ballistic fab is shit, I'd be interested to see non shit stuff. I ordered from them in the past and didn't have an issue with them and their brackets fit fine and held up really well. Could you have made it yourself? Yeah, they're not complicated parts, its just easier to order it already made when you don't have time to make up your own shit. And curious, what is an advance fab bracket? If they do the job, what's the difference?


Ok.. I will toss this out there. THESE are advanced fab brackets.

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/9310/donh3040et3.jpg

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/8599/donh3043ec8.jpg


Box of "professional" parts.

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/7555/donh3045wh9.jpg



These are our production pieces that are for projects we do. Held hand in hand compared to BF, its almost unbelievable. Not to knock BF, Jeff is a stand up guy who has helped me in a pinch recently, but I can make all those of BF parts by hand better.



Matt


:D

[Captain Ron]

What would you consider to be not shit, if a bracket that you see from ballistic fab is shit, I'd be interested to see non shit stuff. I ordered from them in the past and didn't have an issue with them and their brackets fit fine and held up really well. Could you have made it yourself? Yeah, they're not complicated parts, its just easier to order it already made when you don't have time to make up your own shit. And curious, what is an advance fab bracket? If they do the job, what's the difference?

How about a show of hands. How many out there really want to endure me posting stuff that's way out of the realm of even most high end suppliers?

I have not done this, for the most part, because most folks wouldn't be able to apply 90% of it, and it seems to me that I'd just be showing off.

So?

:D

--ron

[Captain Ron]

..

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/9310/donh3040et3.jpg

...

See what happens when you bash on somebodies welds for a few weeks?

They get just a tiny bit better.

:D

--ron

[Matt S.]

See what happens when you bash on somebodies welds for a few weeks?

They get just a tiny bit better.

:D

--ron




:D I posted the good side on purpose... just ignore the other side when you get in monday.

[XJ_ranger]

you mean that pictures of Solid Works brackets dont always come out excatly the way you meant for them too?

you mean that their CNC Plasma has a 20* taper on 3/16" material?

you mean that CNC Plasma and the word "precision" shouldnt be in the same scentence?

you mean hand punched and not jig aligned in an ironworker isnt exact?

you mean that their part layout isnt the way that you would actually want to weld the pieces for the strongest penetration?

this looks fermiliar...


http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/8599/donh3043ec8.jpg


http://i12.tinypic.com/4qz1pc9.jpg



maybe ive just been spoiled by spending too much time on the phone with the waterjetter this summer...


Advanced Fab brackets are made by 'clicking' - not grinding... :D

[Captain Ron]

you mean that pictures of Solid Works brackets dont always come out excatly the way you meant for them too?
...
Sheeesh. Give a guy a 3D CAD package, and a 2D part...

Compound bends, joints, twisted planes and radial matches. 2D for me. :D

You are starting to do some nice work kiddo. Of course, now you are starting to become one of those asses that bags on the normal accepted hack work that defines off road fabrication .

You're welcome. :D

--ron

(oops, sorry! didnt change anything... )

[XJ_ranger]

...

Of course, now you are starting to become one of those asses...

...

You're welcome. :D




Beer Snob, Boat Snob, Metal Fabrication Snob...

I just hope that I dont decide that I need to start flying... :gag:

[Capt. Nemo]

Beer Snob, Boat Snob, Metal Fabrication Snob...

I just hope that I dont decide that I need to start flying... :gag:

Flyboys with that attitude either wind up dead, or have a close enough call to have their attitudes re-arranged...

[Weasel]

so what the point? Looks like standard 4x4 parts to me?

[XJ_ranger]

so what the point? Looks like standard 4x4 parts to me?

you know how when you were working on the mini baja, and you needed a bracket, you just torched one out, drilled a hole with a drill bit, and ground it to fit?

If you're paying for brackets and parts - should they be made the same way?

[Capt. Nemo]

you know how when you were working on the mini baja, and you needed a bracket, you just torched one out, drilled a hole with a drill bit, and ground it to fit?

If you're paying for brackets and parts - should they be made the same way?

This isn't NASA, and we aren't rocket scientists. In relation to suspension bracketry, the parts we need for our rigs to operate correctly don't need to look like they came off of the space shuttle. In addition, we're talking about brackets here, not engine parts that need to be machined to specific tolerances. Now, if a company is advertising a certain quality and not meeting their claims, that's a different matter altogether.

The way I see it, Ballistic Fab is offering a product to help the DIYers of the off road community at a reasonable price. They may not be up to the standards that Ron has set over at his place, but I don't see Ron offering anything to help out the off road community AS A WHOLE. Ron can put Ballistic's product down all he wants - it's his prerogative - but until he starts mass producing product he's out of his league.

[Phil]

This isn't NASA, and we aren't rocket scientists. In relation to suspension bracketry, the parts we need for our rigs to operate correctly don't need to look like they came off of the space shuttle. In addition, we're talking about brackets here, not engine parts that need to be machined to specific tolerances. Now, if a company is advertising a certain quality and not meeting their claims, that's a different matter altogether.

The way I see it, Ballistic Fab is offering a product to help the DIYers of the off road community at a reasonable price. They may not be up to the standards that Ron has set over at his place, but I don't see Ron offering anything to help out the off road community AS A WHOLE. Ron can put Ballistic's product down all he wants - it's his prerogative - but until he starts mass producing product he's out of his league.

Ballistic Fab is not trying to help anyone - or at least, they shouldn't be, as a business. Unfortunately, how many of these cheap DIYers (see "hoodtastic doubler kit" and "chop top write up") would be willing to put down the money for the increased quality that a real manufacturing facility can put out? In order for Ballistic to get into the market, they need a product that is "good enough" and as cheap as anything else.

Now, when I buy something, I DO want it to look like it could go on a space shuttle. I can half-ass it myself, I want to buy first rate parts. Some people may be happy with the cheap solution - think fullwidth axles on stock shafts. Some people put a little more effort in, don't you?

[Weasel]

you know how when you were working on the mini baja, and you needed a bracket, you just torched one out, drilled a hole with a drill bit, and ground it to fit?

If you're paying for brackets and parts - should they be made the same way?

Yeah I don't know. I can see your point but I don't see anyone really offering anything different. If people are willing to pay for them and are happy with them then whats the deal? In the end the only person you have to satisfy is the guy buying the parts.

And our Mini Baja tabs are all CNC plasma cut, sheared, or made with a sheetmetal brake/shear.

Will I buy them, probably not but I don't really care for how half this stuff is made and will make my own. Like punching the shape and holes from sheetmetal, breaking the part to shape, then heat treating or heat treating after weld for the best in strength.

[Capt. Nemo]

Now, when I buy something, I DO want it to look like it could go on a space shuttle. I can half-ass it myself, I want to buy first rate parts. Some people may be happy with the cheap solution - think fullwidth axles on stock shafts. Some people put a little more effort in, don't you?

I agree with you here, which can basically be summed up in "you get what you pay for". Most of the people ordering from Ballistic are satisfied with "good enough" because it's cheap as compared to the time it would take them to make it themselves. Others are wanting perfection, in which case you wouldn't even bother looking to Ballistic for parts - you'd pay for one off stuff.

I guess what I'm confused about is what's in it for Ron to put down a company and their product - especially after people are using it and it works (albeit with some extra effort at times). If people are asking for an opinion, that's one thing, but with the attitude that comes across I wouldn't take Ron's stuff if it was given to me.

[Captain Ron]

...
but I don't see Ron offering anything to help out the off road community AS A WHOLE. Ron can put Ballistic's product down all he wants - it's his prerogative - but until he starts mass producing product he's out of his league.

Mass producing and out of my league.

You don't even know what you are talking about. Before making completely false statements, you need to see what I do. If your idea about business and fabrication is in any way related to Jeep stuff, you sir, are clueless.

Now, I can take your wanting to take me down a notch, no problem, have at it.

I will draw the line at you insinuating that I have done nothing to help out the offroad community "AS A WHOLE", as you put it. I guess it was coming at some point. Doesn't make it any easier to take. From now on, I'll just send all the inquires and requests to you. I'm done.

--ron

[RCman]

I agree with you here, which can basically be summed up in "you get what you pay for". Most of the people ordering from Ballistic are satisfied with "good enough" because it's cheap as compared to the time it would take them to make it themselves. Others are wanting perfection, in which case you wouldn't even bother looking to Ballistic for parts - you'd pay for one off stuff.

Well I posted here about being interested in the brackets before all this semi-bashing started. Let me just say after looking deeper into it, I steered away from Ballistic and went with another vendor (T&T) for a few reasons. Some of those you just touched on, the others I'll keep those reasons to myself as it's not my style to bash other peoples work.

How about a show of hands. How many out there really want to endure me posting stuff that's way out of the realm of even most high end suppliers?

I have not done this, for the most part, because most folks wouldn't be able to apply 90% of it, and it seems to me that I'd just be showing off.

I WOULD. I love seeing what others are capable of making. Heck, I'd have made my brackets/truss setup for my HPD60 build if I'd had the time and tallent (got/have access to all tools). I know for one thing that I will be taking the time to fabricate my own mounts and parts for the entire rear suspension as that's getting back-halfed and linked. So there's no one making parts like that, plus I'd rather take my time and do it myself for the pride and satisfaction.

Which sorta brings me back to the front situation, if I'd have taken the time to build everything for the front while reinventing the wheel that others have done, I'd never get this project done. :D

I will say that if the parts that I'll be making for the rear of my rig look anything like those parts Scrappy posted, they'll be a lot of that pride and satisfaction I mentioned above. :worship:

So Captain Ron, if you don't want to post them off for fear of 'showing off' (isn't that what the entire point of anyone's buildup thread is about?). PM or email them to me, I'd be glad to see them.

you know how when you were working on the mini baja, and you needed a bracket, you just torched one out, drilled a hole with a drill bit, and ground it to fit?

If you're paying for brackets and parts - should they be made the same way?
One word: No.

[Skullver]

so what is the point of seeing your nifty pictures in here?? Are they available to purchase? Are they affordable and attainable? Or are they just nifty pictures showing how awesome you guys are because you have some 3d software and a phone to call the waterjetter? I don't really care either way bit it is a bit sad how arrogant you guys are coming off as, this posting was about trying to get some parts for a guys build and I don't really see any offers of assistance, just some hahah, you guys are pathetic because you don't have access to the stuff I do, haha, you guys have to buy junk parts, etc etc.

Whatever, sounds a lot like pimping your stuff, yet without actually having anything to pimp from my standpoint, unless you have some sort of inventory or link to buy.

Now I appreciate good craftsmanship just as much as the next guy and your work does seem to be top-notch from what I can tell from the pictures, but I also would rather have some low tech bracketry than space shuttle grade(?)that come with a heaping side of attitude.

That being said, if you had another thread in here showing some examples of your work, that would be really cool, I truly enjoy seeing what a very skilled guy can do with metal, it is much like art in a way. I have no problems with people showing off their work, it is good for comparison and future ideas.

[Ballistic]

These are the prototypes for the XJ / TJ axle brackets, for use with any one of our lower link axle brackets on our webpage.

https://ballisticfabrication.3dcartstores.com/assets/images/parts/tj1.JPG



https://ballisticfabrication.3dcartstores.com/assets/images/parts/tj2.JPG

https://ballisticfabrication.3dcartstores.com/assets/images/parts/tj3.JPG

[Ballistic]

https://ballisticfabrication.3dcartstores.com/assets/images/parts/tj5.JPG

https://ballisticfabrication.3dcartstores.com/assets/images/parts/tj6.JPG
https://ballisticfabrication.3dcartstores.com/assets/images/parts/tj7.JPG

[Ballistic]

https://ballisticfabrication.3dcartstores.com/assets/images/parts/tj8.JPG

https://ballisticfabrication.3dcartstores.com/assets/images/parts/tj9.JPG

https://ballisticfabrication.3dcartstores.com/assets/images/parts/tj10.JPG

[Matt S.]

Hey Jeff! Those look pretty good! They sure do look alot better on screen.

Matt

[Ballistic]

As for our fabrication skills for one off parts we have capabilities as well, but simply put, I can't move the quantity of brackets that I do if they cost 3 times as much as our regularly stocked items. We do lots of one-off parts for customers but they pay a shop rate fee and those brackets won't work for anyone else. The brackets we sell on a daily basis are easy enough for the general fabricator to modify and "make work" and a universal bracket.

Here is a bit of our one-off work -

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=558164

[Ballistic]

We are going to try an inroductory price of $85 / pair with the lower link brackets included. The lower link brackets will be available with a 0* , 5* or 10* offset and have mounting widths of either 2.63" or 3" (for use with our 3.0" ballistic joint)... These will be added to our webpage tomorrow morning, so if anyone has questions please contact us through our webpage or via email... (since I probably won't be checking PMs here on a daily basis.)...

For those of you that are wondering if we have vendor status with NAXJA, it's in the works. Thanks for everyone's support and we plan to continue working with everyone to develop a product line that is afforable as well and effective.

-Jeff

[Ballistic]

http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/assets/images/brackets/tjxjbracket/xj-front.jpg


http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/assets/images/brackets/TJXJbracket/XJ-back-installed.jpg

http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/assets/images/brackets/TJXJbracket/XJ-links.jpg


http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/assets/images/brackets/TJXJbracket/XJ-whole-axle.jpg

http://ballisticfabrication.3dcartstores.com/XJ--TJ-Jeep-combo-bracket-upgrade-kit_p_0-1542.html

[Ballistic]

http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/assets/images/XJ6.jpg

http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/assets/images/XJ5.jpg


http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/assets/images/brackets/TJXJbracket/XJ-side-view-installed.jpg

[53guy]

Ron, what's so bad about those brackets? I don't see anything wrong with them really. Maybe I'm just not a badass or something, but I'd use those any day.

[88flexj]

Those brackets look good to me:dunno:. Maybe they don't look as cool because they dont have the fancy My Little Pony cutouts:gag:. Both just look like welded plate to me. What do I know I am just a shit producing hack booty fabber like the rest of the non elitists:anon: .

[Skullver]

Those brackets look good to me:dunno:. Maybe they don't look as cool because they dont have the fancy My Little Pony cutouts:gag:. Both just look like welded plate to me. What do I know I am just a shit producing hack booty fabber like the rest of the non elitists:anon: .
I guess the funny/sad thing is, they didn't even show anything closely related to a coil bucket which the original posting was all about. Oh well, I guess I am not understanding their intentions with the whole bashing thing, definitely not helping anybody.

That Ballistic unit looks pretty clever, and the price is quite reasonable!

[88flexj]

I guess the funny/sad thing is, they didn't even show anything closely related to a coil bucket which the original posting was all about. Oh well, I guess I am not understanding their intentions with the whole bashing thing, definitely not helping anybody.

That Ballistic unit looks pretty clever, and the price is quite reasonable!

Agreed. After reading through the thread, I forgot what the topic was about. Some of the comments in this thread rubbed me the wrong way is all. The next time I do an axle swap I will probably buy the Ballistic units just to make things easier.

[Ballistic]

TADA!!!!!!



Our state-of-the-art Cincinatti CL-707 2500W CO2 Laser cutter with linear drive motion control, providing positioning tollerances of .00006" and rapid movements of 10,000 inches per minute. This provides extremely fast and accurate part processing. Laser etched part numbers will be standard practice.
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Our new TRUMPF Trubend 3066 5-axis press brake. Comparable to the Ferrari of press brakes, this machine is ultra precise and has the highest repeatability rate of machines in it's class.
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Our new product line will be released one part at a time, as we perfect each design with respect to strength and ease of manufacturing which translates to lower costs and faster turn around times. Please check back often to see what our full-time mechanical engineer has been working on!
Don't forget your dicount coupon code (pirate) while pricing parts out!
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Our brackets are TOP of the line in every respect these days. Thanks to those who have supported us from the beginning.

[Ballistic]

Try this on for "advanced brackets" :laugh3:

http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/assets/images/newbrackets/22deg1.JPG
http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/assets/images/newbrackets/22deg2.JPG
http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/assets/images/newbrackets/22deg3.JPG
http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/assets/images/newbrackets/22deg4.JPG

[Ballistic]

Oh.. and here's those coil buckets that the original poster was inquiring about

http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/assets/images/newbrackets/coilframe.jpg

http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/assets/images/newbrackets/coilplatemount.jpg

http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/assets/images/newbrackets/coilplatemount2.jpg

[Ballistic]

Or how about this?

https://ballisticfabrication.3dcartstores.com/assets/images/newbrackets/60truss.jpg

Just so that no one gets upset here, I just remembered this thread from along time ago and wanted to clear a few things up.

BTW I have submitted a request to become a gold (or so) site sponsor to admin...

[440swepty]

I purchased the majority of my suspension components from ballistic fab. Their service was top notch and will recommend them to anyone! :cheers: Kevin

[Ghost]

I have purchased bungs and other items from them and must say the service was top notch. The bungs have held up well, even though I wanted something a little longer. :cheers: TY Ballistic for stepping up and being a sponsor.

[Dirk Pitt]

You have some of Ron's work...

It's right there.

I think those brackets look great.

[Ballistic]

Thanks guys, we really do put alot of effort into forward movement.

And it's official, we're finally a gold sponsor here!

Jeff

[JeepFreak21]

Thanks guys, we really do put alot of effort into forward movement.

And it's official, we're finally a gold sponsor here!

Jeff

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
And I'm placing a $300 order today because of it!
Thanks again!
Billy

[Ballistic]

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
And I'm placing a $300 order today because of it!
Thanks again!
Billy

That should help offset the fees :cheers:

[hellbilly04]

you guys have great products..I have your lower coil mounts on my waggy 44 & great quality. Only small problem I have had with your lower coil mounts is that their flat & the XJ coils don't sit on them correctly even with the retainer you supply. I would kill to have your shop..
Keep the great products coming.....:cheers:

[Matt S.]

Congrats on the new purchases! You are going to love those machines! I would not be surprised if you bring a new level of products to the table.

Cheers.

[Ramsey]

Always been pleased with everything I have bought from yall, good prices better products. When I link the rear I know where I'll be purchasing from yet again.