Anybody with RE 1463 springs or knows

I have RE 1463 leafs in the rear and I am getting a lift around 6.5 inches. I don't understand why since they are suppose to be 3.5 inches. I did swap out chryo 8.25 for ford 8.8 but that cant not explain the extra 3 inches. I am at lost at what to do since I planned for 3 to 3.5 inch lift not a 6.5 inches. I can tell you with 3 inches in the front and 6.5 in back that it looks like you are driving down hill!

What can I do with out killing my pocket book to level this out. My shocks, and LCA are for 3-4 lift. I had planned on redrilling track bar but have been holding off till I solve this.

Thanks
Bill

sand bags in the rear?

lol

they are stiff when they are new and will relax in about 10 days and be a really nice ride might give you about 4" lift ,put alot of weight in the back like mentioned above .

I know what you mean. I have 1462 springs in the back with older 4.5 springs in the front. Looks like about 7" in the back. I've been driving around with
about 400lbs of steel in the back since saturday and it's starting to come down. I'm afraid to take the weight out.

Well at least the downhill thing will be good for gas mileage lol j/k. I would remove a leaf. If it starts to sag later down the road put it back in.

BlueCuda said:

Well at least the downhill thing will be good for gas mileage lol j/k. I would remove a leaf. If it starts to sag later down the road put it back in.

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X2 pulling leafs out is the best idea. Did this with my Rustys leafs... had to pull 2 leafs each side and it still sits high. Adding 500 lbs of weight in the rear... i dunno... might just kill the leafs or cause premature sag within a couple years. Pull a leaf and see how it sits. Still too high... then pull one of the bigger leafs out.

They ride really high and break in and ride much lower. What front springs are you running? You will notice with RE that their 3.5 settles to about 4.5. Reasoning behind this is majority of consumers end up bolting a couple hundred pounds to the front and rear (bumpers, winches, spares, highlift, etc.)

BOX said:

X2 pulling leafs out is the best idea. Did this with my Rustys leafs... had to pull 2 leafs each side and it still sits high. Adding 500 lbs of weight in the rear... i dunno... might just kill the leafs or cause premature sag within a couple years. Pull a leaf and see how it sits. Still too high... then pull one of the bigger leafs out.

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:doh: Most equipped rigs have at least an extra 200-300lbs in bumpers, sliders, winch, full size spare, recovery gear, etc and RE builds these springs to compensate.
500 lbs is a little excessive, just like taking leaves out of a brand new pack.

Throw tarp in the back, stop by Home Depot and grab 200lbs of sand in bags, then take your rig somewhere that you can flex up the rear......better yet, take it wheeling for a day and really flex the rear up. The springs will eventually level out to a nice riding 4-4.5" depending on your accessories/armor.

Don't tear your spring pack apart......that just stupid advise by folks running another manufaturer's springs which, BTW, have a history of premature sagging. Hope they kept the leaf they pulled out..........

when I swapped in my 8.8 I gained about 1.5 - 2 inches....the tubes are slightly larger, and depending what perches you are using, that has an effect also....

Justin

XJEEPER said:

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Don't tear your spring pack apart......that just stupid advise by folks running another manufaturer's springs which, BTW, have a history of premature sagging. Hope they kept the leaf they pulled out..........

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Ha ha ha well said........... Rustys *cough cough*:anon:

Alabama Bill , I just tryed to reply to youre thread on this and it seems it wont go thru ????????
PM me with youre phone number if you want and a good time for me to call you and i will tell you what went thru on this very same thing.
Somone???? has to put a stop to this!! I am now on my __SECOND-----lift, 2600.00 dollars so far.

AlabamaBill said:

I have RE 1463 leafs in the rear and I am getting a lift around 6.5 inches. I don't understand why since they are suppose to be 3.5 inches. I did swap out chryo 8.25 for ford 8.8 but that cant not explain the extra 3 inches. I am at lost at what to do since I planned for 3 to 3.5 inch lift not a 6.5 inches. I can tell you with 3 inches in the front and 6.5 in back that it looks like you are driving down hill!

What can I do with out killing my pocket book to level this out. My shocks, and LCA are for 3-4 lift. I had planned on redrilling track bar but have been holding off till I solve this.

Thanks
Bill

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Are you waiting until the Jeep is on it's wheels, without any jacks, when you're tightening down the main leaf and shackle bolts? Most of the time when a customer calls me regarding this issue it's because they torqued down bolts before setting the Jeep on the ground. This binds the bushings and will add lift.

Low Range said:

Alabama Bill , I just tryed to reply to youre thread on this and it seems it wont go thru ????????
PM me with youre phone number if you want and a good time for me to call you and i will tell you what went thru on this very same thing.
Somone???? has to put a stop to this!! I am now on my __SECOND-----lift, 2600.00 dollars so far.

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Well why not "elaborate" on it here?? Sure it wasnt operator error?? And $2600 for what??

PornstaR said:

Ha ha ha well said........... Rustys *cough cough*:anon:

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I was the first one to reply about removing leafs. I did it with my RE springs and when it did start to sag a little I tossed the short leaf back in. I ran fully loaded for quite awhile minus one leaf on my old ass packs.

My expierience with rustys springs on a friends jeep was just the opposite. We put a short AAL and 2 stock springs in his sagging 6" packs just to get the lift back lol. Looked like a spring pack from a dually or something. Surprisingly it worked pretty good though.

Well guys, so far I got some good advice. Well, I think I have got some great advice. I dont see anything wrong with any of suggestion. I gonna go conservative before I start breaking the pack apart. I got a Bastard Pack put together for another project sitting in Garage. If all else fails, I ll put it in and plan on using springs on a larger lift project or sell them. (I got 4 XJ's in various states of disrepair)

To answer one question, I am not sure of the front springs. I got them second hand, though they appear never mounted. They give a true 3 inch lift in the front. I have some addjustable spacers I can use in front but if I do, I gonna have problems with death wobble due to other parts being not correct.

Thanks for the advice so far!
Bill



Thanks Again
Bill

I ran into the same, I guess you would call problem; with my 1463's. They netted me just a shade over 6", but I did use the 1.5" shackles with them that I had left over rom my previous BB kit. They will settle down some over time.

I just took the extra height in back as bonus, even though I was shooting for 4.5" of lift. I already had 4.5 colil springs in the front, so I used my left over coils spacer to even out the overall height.

I like the way it turned out in the end, and I've netted about 5.5" of lift out of the deal, and my 32's stuff perfectly, even without any fender trimming....really! Another bonus.....

THANKS ALL FOR GREAT HELP!!! THIS IS BEST COMMUNITY ON THE NET, IMO! GREAT BUNCH!

WAHOOOOOO! Ecksjay suggestion or rather correction on how they should be installed has net a loss of 1.5 inches! I loosen up the rear springs, bounced on it, and let it set for about 4 hours and when I re torqued the rear. It settled 1.5 inches. Now I have a adjustable bumpstop that I can install and push the front to around 4 inches, up a inch.
So I might (FINGERS CROSSED) be able to get by without new LCA, UCA, and droppitman. It take road testing for deathwobble to see but things are looking up!

THANKS ALLL FOR THE TIME TO REPLY AND HELP ME!!!!

Bill

AlabamaBill said:

THANKS ALL FOR GREAT HELP!!! THIS IS BEST COMMUNITY ON THE NET, IMO! GREAT BUNCH!

WAHOOOOOO! Ecksjay suggestion or rather correction on how they should be installed has net a loss of 1.5 inches! I loosen up the rear springs, bounced on it, and let it set for about 4 hours and when I re torqued the rear. It settled 1.5 inches.
THANKS ALLL FOR THE TIME TO REPLY AND HELP ME!!!!

Bill

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EXCELLENT!

Now if you're still over 4" or so you'll have to flex the packs a bit to get them to settle. You're going to NET 4" or just under when it's all said and done.

Glad I could help. It just sounded very familiar.

Why not elaborate on it here ? I have many times ,and no its not operator error.
All agrees that the springs have to much arch built into them ,the distributor, as well as RE.

Seems as though you all worship RE stuff , i am glad it works for you , it didnt for me.
2600. bucks in 2 lifts , yes that right.
1 st set was RE 6030 kit , 1,391 bucks with all the extra stuff, thats fine as long as it is the correct kit. It is not , as i said all involved agrees.
And no ,,i do not buy the --it will settle ,just put 7 to 8 hundred pounds in the back and see what happens line -- 3 inches high in the rear ?give me a break huh ?
Many thanks to Brent at TCs in Kent for taking care of this mess ,not many places like that around these days. Thank you again

The 2nd lift OME 3 inch from Rocky Road Outfitters ,800 bucks plus, they send the incorrect shocks,no rear spring bushings etc. All concerned have agreed its not correct. Many Thanks to ARB ,Seattle for taking care of this mess. Rocky Road on the other hand choses to ignore this ,they can kiss my ,well you get the picture. To bad there are companys as this around ,beware to all.

I am not new to this jeep stuff,neither are the old guys that hang around the shop, maybe some of ya can stop by and tell us all which way of the springs mount where huh ? We are always looking for new ways to do things

Bad luck ,ya looks like ,crap orders ? ya looks like.
Operator error? Hardly

So lets see, you bought a superflex 3.5in lift and $600 worth of "extra stuff". Ok now we are that far (you spanglish on here really sucks) how is it not the "right" kit?? What all was a waste from the kit, the rear springs?? Hardly a loss @ $300 dollars worth of springs. How was the rest of $1091 dollars wasted? You just toss the rest away? Sounds as if you got a lift. Put it on. Were not happy with it, so you tore it off and put it in the trash and bought another one? This makes no sense at all. Also who is this "all involved"? Your friends? The public? The government? The department of eastern washington XJ lift association?

As for the "you dont buy the --it will settle" every lift settles. Its never going to be the same the first day you get it and 5years down the road. This is the reason for AALs and replacement spring packs. No one said toss 800lbs in the back, what was stated was 300lbs. Thats a 500lb diffrence. Now even tho springs are made from "sprung" steel they will after long term get deformed to a flat standing seeings how it is supported in the middle of an arch and pressure is applied at the outer edges of the arch. This is also the reasoning behind the # of packs and thicknesses. Most spring companies build their packs to recive more weight. Mostly because consumers complaining about the packs settling lower than the actuall ride height they wanted because of add weight they put on the rig, ie bumpers, spare, highlift, winch, blah blah blah. Im thinking that you and "all involved" are totally off base here. No one is praising RE in this thread like you think but we all surely do know that REs 3.5in lift sits more at 4.5 after a month of driving. So understanding who what where why and how should have been your first thing you should have looked into when buying a lift, second is to realize that this aint the "olden days" so the old guys can keep telling stories about spring over swaps on GPWs and using lead as filler.