Newport, RI Police Ossifurs

[Alienspecimen]

Are shit, wortless as they could be....
I got a delinquent notice that have not paydt my ticket for parking violation...
I do remember the day, it was 12th of February. There was a storm and I went down to Newport to take a few snaps. I parked my car and got out. Spent about 20 minutes walking around and working with the camera. The Jeep was always within sight, never wandered more than 100 yards away from it.
Cop car passed a couple of times, but I never saw that efin wussy coming out and leaving the ticket...had I seen him, I would have asked him what the reason for writing is and of course, he would tell me that there is a ban on parking during storms (something I learned later, how do I know, there were no signs to tell me...).
So, the ticket was for $25 and coz I did not pay, it doubled. I am not for 50 bucks, but this is not exactly what you expect from the ones that are supposed to protect you...
I know, it is not right, but I really feel like finding the XXXXer and beating the shit out of him until all the donuts he's consumed start coming from both ends...
Phew, now I feel better, thanks for listening.
Boris

[Rev Den]

And it begins again.......

Where is my popcorn?

Rev

[IslanderOffRoad]

Its 50 bucks.... just pay it and move on with your life.

why didn you pay it when it was 25?

[IXNAYXJ]

Here you go....

http://www.cs.cornell.edu/talc/images/popcorn.jpg

-----Matt-----

[red91]

assholes until you need them...and then you'd call them "friends"...

nothing like a lose lose situation for law enforcement.

[5-90]

Could be worse - one time I didn't get a notice on a ticket I got until AFTER I'd cleared it up (this was after my license was suspended. And yes, I did take my copy of the ticket with me to the Clerk of the Court and have them go look it up. When they didn't find anything, I scratched out a note to that effect and had them sign it. Came in handy later...)

The question stands tho - why didn't you pay it before it doubled?

And, there's no posting on the "Storm ban" - anywhere? Sounds suspect to me...

Don't blame the cop so much - he's just doing his job. I've talked to a few cops who say that the laws they're largely called upon to enforce are silly, but they don't write them. Write your local governing body, and take THEM to task instead.

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[Rescue xj]

Talk to the sergant in charge of traffic. If they give you some BS story, talk to the state highway patrol, theyll help you set it straight.

[XJEEPER]

You are right, the policeman that issued you a ticket in this situation was petty and perhaps fullfilling some type of monthly quota (also known as "performance metrics" )..........but by doing nothing but complain to everyone you know while it was still a $25 fine, the price of your procrastination is now $50.

Pay it and stop :rattle:

[GSequoia]

I don't quite understand this storm no parking business...

You weren't possibly on one of those hurricane / snow emergency routes where in storm or other potential emergency situations the route must remain clear at all times just in case cities / towns / whatever need to be evacuated now were you?

[RichP]

http://mud.mm-a1.yimg.com/image/277876882

Shoulda paid it of fought it back then, tickets work on 100% interest, not good.

[5-90]

I don't quite understand this storm no parking business...

You weren't possibly on one of those hurricane / snow emergency routes where in storm or other potential emergency situations the route must remain clear at all times just in case cities / towns / whatever need to be evacuated now were you?

All well and good - but aren't those routes usually marked, signed, and/or otherwise put into public knowledge?

That's what gets me - if there's no sign, how are you to know?

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[GSequoia]

Yes, every one I've seen has signs periodiacly "Snow emergency route" or "Hurricane evacuation route," I've seen both depending on the region I've been in. There is generally some small text on those signs that I haven't read as it's never been snowing or hurricaning when I've been in those regions.

[5-90]

Yes, every one I've seen has signs periodiacly "Snow emergency route" or "Hurricane evacuation route," I've seen both depending on the region I've been in. There is generally some small text on those signs that I haven't read as it's never been snowing or hurricaning when I've been in those regions.

That's what I'd thought. I've also seen those signs - again, content varying based upon region (more usually "Snow Emergency Route" than anything else, but that's where I go...)

It just seems to me that if there's no signs, there's no basis for a ticket. I'm not trying to "fuel the fire" here, but that's the premise I'd attack it based upon...

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[TekkaMaki]

Arer you saying that you never saw the original ticket and didn't know about it until you got the delinquent notice in the mail informing you that it had doubled?

I've had that happen before, when I lived in the city the elementary school kids would take tickets off one car and put them on another, seen 'em doing it and even caught one taking a ticket off my car. :explosion

[Alienspecimen]

[quote=TekkaMaki]Arer you saying that you never saw the original ticket and didn't know about it until you got the delinquent notice in the mail informing you that it had doubled?

I am sorry, I was just a little too emotional. What I am saying is that the cop never bothered to get out of the car and leave the ticket. There was no way to know that I am in violation either...no signs anywhere to tell me that.
BTW, after talking to my coworkers about it, it appears that Newport cops are notorious for finding ways to screw you...especially when you need them.

[Rescue xj]

Go clear it up with a sergant or above. If it gets that bad complain to the state DOJ or whoever the hell oversees police departemnts. Threatean with litigation, local cops are always afraid of lawsuits and lawyers.

[Dvipercop]

I have a oddly distinct feeling we're only getting one, very slanted, view of the event. Pay the fine. Shut up.

[jml1911a1]

Here is what cops do for a living: They fine or arrest people who violate laws written by people who must write laws to appear to be doing their jobs, so that they can convince people to vote for them. If a policeman or woman returns to the station house at the end of the day without having got someone in trouble, they haven't done their job. It's an endless cycle: Morons in suits pass laws creating new crimes (mostly victimless), and people with shiny badges and poor attitudes must enforce them so that their salaries can continue to be paid.

Oh, and every time I hear, "They have to enforce the laws, it's their job!" I think of the guards at Aushwitz (sp?): "I was just following orders."

(No, I'm not comparing parking tickets to broiling Jews. Simply showing that cops don't HAVE to enforce unjust laws or unjustly enforce just laws. They can stand up and say "NO!" or get other jobs.)

[rocklandxjer]

y would a cop stand up and fight for someones right to park on a side street during a hurricane? the new ghandi lol

just playin, but yea ida just paid the fine, or plead not guilty and explained that you did not recieve fair notice of the ticket. was it a narrow road, there could be a bylaw that states any narrow roads blah blah blah during a hurricane or any bad weather deamed bladee blah blah merits the no parking status

just a thought

[5-90]

Here is what cops do for a living: They fine or arrest people who violate laws written by people who must write laws to appear to be doing their jobs, so that they can convince people to vote for them. If a policeman or woman returns to the station house at the end of the day without having got someone in trouble, they haven't done their job. It's an endless cycle: Morons in suits pass laws creating new crimes (mostly victimless), and people with shiny badges and poor attitudes must enforce them so that their salaries can continue to be paid.

Oh, and every time I hear, "They have to enforce the laws, it's their job!" I think of the guards at Aushwitz (sp?): "I was just following orders."

(No, I'm not comparing parking tickets to broiling Jews. Simply showing that cops don't HAVE to enforce unjust laws or unjustly enforce just laws. They can stand up and say "NO!" or get other jobs.)

"Auschwitz," I believe (if I recall my German correctly. Granted, that's a stretch...)

It's not just "discretionary enforcement" on the part of the LEO that needs to happen, it's also the simple fact that, as you stated, the people we elect to make laws feel like they HAVE to keep making laws in order to make it look like they're doing their jobs. I'm not going to say that the PO's are "stuck in the middle" - we are, mainly - but they're stuck with a system that nobody likes, and they're the most visible element of that system.

It is useful to recall that the people who write the rules are often not the people who have to enforce the rules. In many cases, they are not even subject to the rules they write!

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[8Mud]

I'm in a strange nieghborhood and come to a "T" intersection. Three lanes, left turn, right turn and straight, except straight is a dirt lot across the intersection. Cop wrote me a ticket for a left turn from the center lane.
Told the judge I was technically guilty, but I wasn't in any way shape or form gonna pay that ticket. I spent four days in jail.
Sometimes a cops strange sense of humor, just makes for bad feelings and unecessary attitude.
There was a time when I'd risk my own tail to help a cop, sorry but those days are long dead. I'd have to think for a minute before I'd involve myself and call 911 if I found a cop down for whatever reason.

I find it sorry, when a basically good helpfull person, has an attitude kind of forced on him.
How many times do you have to be pissed on, before you start developing an anti dick attitude.

A really hot day and an elderly woman stagers off the curb and falls down and faints, in the right hand lane of a major Blvd. I stop and put on my four ways, run over to a store and call 911, carefully roll her onto a blanket to get her away from the hot asphalt. Check her pulse and breathing. Cops show up, snatch me up and throw me on the hood of my truck, spread eagle, search, handcuffs. A lot of yelling a screaming. Took away my Buck knife (which I never saw again). I guess they figured I'd hit her and were doing the world a favor by roughing me up a bit.

The only word that pops to mind when I think Cops is "sorry", me for my attitude and them for there actions. I wasn't born with an attitude.

[streetpirate]

If theres a new way, I'll be the first in line.
but it better work this time.

[Rescue xj]

Ihas an attitude kind of forced on him.
How many times do you have to be pissed on, before you start developing an anti dick attitude.

A really hot day and an elderly woman stagers off the curb and falls down and faints, in the right hand lane of a major Blvd. I stop and put on my four ways, run over to a store and call 911, carefully roll her onto a blanket to get her away from the hot asphalt. Check her pulse and breathing. Cops show up, snatch me up and throw me on the hood of my truck, spread eagle, search, handcuffs. A lot of yelling a screaming. Took away my Buck knife (which I never saw again). I guess they figured I'd hit her and were doing the world a favor by roughing me up a bit.

The only word that pops to mind when I think Cops is "sorry", me for my attitude and them for there actions. I wasn't born with an attitude.

Did you file a complaint and or a lawsuit? You should.

[8Mud]

Did you file a complaint and or a lawsuit? You should.

Stand around a Police station for hours trying to find someone to take a report. Then find out the report got lost or misplaced and you have to do it all again. Stand around a hospital for half a day trying to find someone to photograph your injuries. Try to find a lawyer that charges less an hour than you earn in a week. Try to find any kind of advocacy group, if your not a minority. Take time off of work to make numerous appointments, non judicial meetings and finally court appearances. Listen to the Police tell a story, that is so far from what actually happened, it is shocking to hear. Having to pay for the privilidge, to listen to someone actually tell that large of a lie with a straight face and sometimes even get away with it. Then have the judge tell you, you are likely right and telling the truth, but he has to support the Police anyway. Been there done that.
Now I just vote no, to any kind of proposition to increase Police funding or the number of officers or new equipement. Vote against anybody (representative) who is for the Police. Write E-mails to any representative I can think of, that Federal support for Local Police is a mistake. As it takes control of the one weapon that will curb Police abuses (money) out of the local tax payers control.

[Alienspecimen]

I have a oddly distinct feeling we're only getting one, very slanted, view of the event. Pay the fine. Shut up.
I really love how a low life form like you dares to give me directions in life. But, I am a man in peace, so here is my message for you:
Be fruitful and multiply
Boris
For those with actual brain cells here is a picture:
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j54/alienspecimen/PICT0583.jpg
You can see my Jeep, in front of an open bar (it was open) and this is as far from it as I got...

[stewie]

I have a oddly distinct feeling we're only getting one, very slanted, view of the event. Pay the fine. Shut up.

I really love how a low life form like you dares to give me directions in life. But, I am a man in peace, so here is my message for you:
Be fruitful and multiply
Boris
For those with actual brain cells here is a picture:
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j54/alienspecimen/PICT0583.jpg
You can see my Jeep, in front of an open bar (it was open) and this is as far from it as I got...

well first of all you are making it obvious to all here that you are a complete and total douche bag.

it is the persons responsibilty to know the laws of where they may be at that given time. you parked on the road durring a period when snow removal appearded to be iminent. may cities that experience snowfall have a law against parking on the street when snowing such as this:
"10.62.010 – It is prohibited to park any vehicle on any street between 1:00 a.m. and 6:00 a.m. from December to February, or any other time when removal of snow is apparent or imminent." taken from layton city utah website at http://www.laytoncity.org/public1/faq.aspx?category=4.

the purpose of that law is to maintain public safety by ensuring snowplows can get through the area and do their jobs effectively without worrying 'oh im gonna block in Stupid Johhneys car with snow, or this big chunk of ice/snow is gonna go through Iddiot Bob's car window.'

i was an idiot and got cited for this very ordinace when i first moved to Layton City. i payed the fine and summed it up to experience. now i dont park in the street in the winter or when its snowing.

its not the cops fault he had to cite you for beeing stupid.

[CanMan]

well first of all you are making it obvious to all here that you are a complete and total douche bag.

it is the persons responsibilty to know the laws of where they may be at that given time. you parked on the road durring a period when snow removal appearded to be iminent. may cities that experience snowfall have a law against parking on the street when snowing such as this:
"10.62.010 – It is prohibited to park any vehicle on any street between 1:00 a.m. and 6:00 a.m. from December to February, or any other time when removal of snow is apparent or imminent." taken from layton city utah website at http://www.laytoncity.org/public1/faq.aspx?category=4.

the purpose of that law is to maintain public safety by ensuring snowplows can get through the area and do their jobs effectively without worrying 'oh im gonna block in Stupid Johhneys car with snow, or this big chunk of ice/snow is gonna go through Iddiot Bob's car window.'

i was an idiot and got cited for this very ordinace when i first moved to Layton City. i payed the fine and summed it up to experience. now i dont park in the street in the winter or when its snowing.

its not the cops fault he had to cite you for beeing stupid.

Well put and good research. It was 25 fawkin dollars. Is it a done deal now? Still owe the city?

This thread is rated, :01of5: , for gheyness. :conceited

[Alienspecimen]

well first of all you are making it obvious to all here that you are a complete and total douche bag.

it is the persons responsibilty to know the laws of where they may be at that given time. you parked on the road durring a period when snow removal appearded to be iminent. may cities that experience snowfall have a law against parking on the street when snowing such as this:
"10.62.010 – It is prohibited to park any vehicle on any street between 1:00 a.m. and 6:00 a.m. from December to February, or any other time when removal of snow is apparent or imminent." taken from layton city utah website at http://www.laytoncity.org/public1/faq.aspx?category=4.

the purpose of that law is to maintain public safety by ensuring snowplows can get through the area and do their jobs effectively without worrying 'oh im gonna block in Stupid Johhneys car with snow, or this big chunk of ice/snow is gonna go through Iddiot Bob's car window.'

i was an idiot and got cited for this very ordinace when i first moved to Layton City. i payed the fine and summed it up to experience. now i dont park in the street in the winter or when its snowing.

its not the cops fault he had to cite you for beeing stupid.

Right back at ya sports
You missed the point of my complaint.
I complained, because the cop never got out of the car to leave the ticket, I would have seen him/her.
I got the same message for you...be fruitful and multiply. BTW somehow you left me with the feeling that you do not have the brain power to process...nevermind.
Have a nice day

[5-90]

OK, now that I've had a chance to NOT ruminate on this for a few days, I think my reading of it may have changed, and I want to try to draw a bead on it again before I comment....

You were parked somewhere you theoretically weren't supposed to be, without public notice (signage prohibiting parking totally/under certain conditions,) and you saw a PD roll by. You never saw him get out of the car, watching him the whole time. Therefore, there was no ticket on your vehicle - is this what I should be getting, and may have missed the last time (along with everyone else, it seems?)

If you never got the ticket in the first place, you still have trouble with "burden of proof," but if you can/could have convinced the judge, it may have caused problem for John Law. I went through something like that a dozen or so years ago - I actually HAD the tickets, but the Court Clerks weren't able to find anything.

Having dealt with the Big Green Paper Machine in the past, I scratched out a note to that effect, and had them sign it. Came in handy later, when I found out that, mirable dictu, my license had been suspended for non-payment of tickets that I went and found no information on. Instead of costing me a couple thousand, I got out for "basic court fees" - which totalled about $180. Sometimes it's easier to prove something...

Anyhow, I'm just trying to make sure I'm reading this right - because it sounds, to me, like you never saw the ticket after all. Which would explain, of course, why you didn't pay it by the due date. When was your first notice of the cite, and what form did it take?

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[Alienspecimen]

OK, now that I've had a chance to NOT ruminate on this for a few days, I think my reading of it may have changed, and I want to try to draw a bead on it again before I comment....

You were parked somewhere you theoretically weren't supposed to be, without public notice (signage prohibiting parking totally/under certain conditions,) and you saw a PD roll by. You never saw him get out of the car, watching him the whole time. Therefore, there was no ticket on your vehicle - is this what I should be getting, and may have missed the last time (along with everyone else, it seems?)

If you never got the ticket in the first place, you still have trouble with "burden of proof," but if you can/could have convinced the judge, it may have caused problem for John Law. I went through something like that a dozen or so years ago - I actually HAD the tickets, but the Court Clerks weren't able to find anything.

Having dealt with the Big Green Paper Machine in the past, I scratched out a note to that effect, and had them sign it. Came in handy later, when I found out that, mirable dictu, my license had been suspended for non-payment of tickets that I went and found no information on. Instead of costing me a couple thousand, I got out for "basic court fees" - which totalled about $180. Sometimes it's easier to prove something...

Anyhow, I'm just trying to make sure I'm reading this right - because it sounds, to me, like you never saw the ticket after all. Which would explain, of course, why you didn't pay it by the due date. When was your first notice of the cite, and what form did it take?

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You are absolutely correct. The police car rolled by and never stopped. I attached the picture just for reference to show how far I got from the jeep (you can see it parked, the black car to the right). There is no way that a cop would stop and leave a ticket without me seeng him/her. I never got a ticket, never saw one, never saw anyone leaving a ticket.
In addition to that, I do not live in Newport and there is no way that I would know about a parking ban, I would not even think that there would be one with barely four inches of snow on the ground...
It was recently, when I received the delinquent notice and I had to pay $50, double of the original fine of$25.
Thanks
Boris

[Beej]

So its been three weeks, what did the police, city and your governor's office say to you when you called, and what were the replies to your letters?

[Beej]

Did you know you can download and fill out a form to submit to the Newport Interdepartmental Traffic Committee? Its available on this page here (http://www.cityofnewport.com/dept/police/traffic/home.html). They meet on the third Thursday of every month, so you are not too late to fill one out and submit it for next week's meeting. Its probably too late to do anything about your fine, but you could help out others who may suffer the same heinous fate by submitting your completed Citizen Concern Request Form.

I think you have a point here, after all, Ordinance 10.20.130 is really pretty vague. Its available here (http://ordlink.com/codes/newportr/_DATA/TITLE10/Chapter_10_20___PARKING_GENERALLY/10_20_130__Snow_removal_.html). Ah screw it, I'll just paste it in below:

10.20.130. Snow removal.
A. The director of public safety is authorized to eliminate all parking of automobiles on certain streets for certain limited periods to facilitate the removal of snow from such streets. Motor vehicles parked on such a street one-half hour after the public ban has been announced may be towed to a place of storage at the owner’s expense.

B. Pursuant to subsection A of this section, the director of public safety is directed to mark the following streets as tow zones for emergency snow removal work:

Bellevue Avenue: Kay Street to Bowery Street;

Broadway;

Friendship Street;

Spring Street;

Summer Street;

Thames Street;

Washington Square;

West Marlborough Street;

Van Zandt Avenue, from J.T. Connell Memorial Road east to Malbone Road. (Ord. 2004-7 § 1, 2004; Ord. 67-94 § 1, 1994; prior code § 480.13)

I would think they could have had a better notification system, don't you? Where I grew up, at least we had signs that said No Parking: Snow Removal. We just knew that they only went into effect half an hour after a fresh snowfall.

HTH.

[riverfever]

Not much going on tonight eh Beej?

Personally, I think the Alien should just calm down. :looser:

[Beej]

Its not that, its just that it only took me three seconds of googling to find webpages and contacts of the police, city and governor's office. Since I'm in Canada, I would think he's already contacted everyone and has already cleared everything up. Otherwise, what would be that point of coming back to this dead old thread and talking $hit?

:D