Israel, palestine, hezbolla

[RichP]

I gotta wonder, how can all these 'innocent' civilians over there not be shooting these hezbolla rocket teams. I know if some group came into my back yard and setup a rocket or two that I KNEW was going to draw IDF 155 rounds down on my ass I'd be shooting the bastards as fast as my AK would fire and if it was in my neighborhood I'd be helping my neighbor too....wtf is up with those people...

[BRIANHO13]

Well stated.

[Lawn Cher']

If the rest of Lebanon is anything like Ramsey, they are a bunch of XXXXXXs.

[red91]

Isreal has the right to self defense.

BUT...Lebanon should have gotten rid of, or kicked Hezbollah, and Hamas out of their country. I'm sure Syria or Iran would have gladly taken them in, but they use Lebanon as a pawn so they don't get their "hands dirty."

It is disconcerting that they can operate inside that country with impunity, but if their leaders will do nothing about them being there...are innocents going to risk the retribution their familes would face if they were confronted outside of Government circles?

[5-90]

When I think of nations sponsoring terrorism, three words come inescapably to mind...

"Radioactive Parking Lot."

I, frankly, don't care about "innocent civilians" in that conflict anymore. Like I said, if they had issue with it, they'd take out the rocket teams and such as they set up - they're certainly well-armed.

Maybe that puts you in line for retribution, but someone's got to send the message - and if it's a choice between misregistered artillery fire or aimed small arms, at least I did something to merit the small arms fire. Dead is dead - but if I'm going to get killed, I'd prefer to "earn" it.

Call me cranky, but if you're not doing anything to eliminate a known threat to you, your complicity is implicit, and you don't have any bitching rights anymore.

DO SOMETHING! Or we'll do it for you, and you WON'T like it...

5-90

[IXNAYXJ]

Isreal has the right to self defense.Amen!

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/aircraft/f-16i/f-16I_i1.jpg

-----Matt-----

[cracker]

I wish they would give the three soldiers back to Isreal so we can end all this bloodshed.

Unfortunately I am living in a cloud :rolleyes:

[red91]

Amen!

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/aircraft/f-16i/f-16I_i1.jpg

-----Matt-----

Thanks for the new BACKGROUND!!

Israel...not taking any shit since 1948....

oh...and they bombed the Airport so that more IRANIAN rockets couldn't be flow in..

[the1jzahn]

That picture is cool. And I agree that Israel needs to end Hezbollah, even when they do get their troops back. Why let them stand when we all know they will just do the same thing in a few years?

[Ramsey]

Its amazing how ignorant you people really are.

I wish they would give the three soldiers back to Isreal so we can end all this bloodshed.

Unfortunately I am living in a cloud :rolleyes:
You must be the only person here with any sense and decency.

[goodburbon]

I think a more recent pic would have ordinance, unless he just got back from lebanon.

[GSequoia]

but if you're not doing anything to eliminate a known threat to you, your complicity is implicit, and you don't have any bitching rights anymore.

So you feel this way.

They feel the same way (you're not stopping the "evils" our government is doing therefore you can die).

So who has the moral high ground?

[Ironmen77]

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/print.asp?page=2002%5C08%5C04%5Cstory_4-8-2002_pg1_6

Hope Bill is still available.

[ECKSJAY]

I think a more recent pic would have ordinance, unless he just got back from lebanon.

There is no 'i' in 'ordnance', the word you tried to use. ;)

[Ramsey]

When I think of nations sponsoring terrorism, three words come inescapably to mind...

"Radioactive Parking Lot."

I, frankly, don't care about "innocent civilians" in that conflict anymore. Like I said, if they had issue with it, they'd take out the rocket teams and such as they set up - they're certainly well-armed.

Maybe that puts you in line for retribution, but someone's got to send the message - and if it's a choice between misregistered artillery fire or aimed small arms, at least I did something to merit the small arms fire. Dead is dead - but if I'm going to get killed, I'd prefer to "earn" it.

Call me cranky, but if you're not doing anything to eliminate a known threat to you, your complicity is implicit, and you don't have any bitching rights anymore.

DO SOMETHING! Or we'll do it for you, and you WON'T like it...

5-90

Your a moron. Children being killed doesnt matter to you? I can assure you it is not as simple as people just deciding, oh we dont want the militant shite group here anymore lets go give them the boot. If you think Lebanon is "sponsoring" a terrorist group, you are VERY misinformed. Nearly everyone but this country can see Israel is in the wrong, when will this country understand. Hezbollah should certainly stop firing rockets, its a vain attempt to accomplish whatever the hell they are doing. All it is accomplishing, is the destruction of Lebanon. RIP Lebanon, the once Beautiful country.

[5-90]

Moron? Hardly - but I have spent enough of my life hunting terrorists down and killing them in their dens to understand the problem - and if "we" have to keep doing it, "innocent" people are going to keep getting killed. Not all counterterror operations are going to be surgical - and artillery NEVER has surgical precision.

And I'm not saying this because it's Israel lobbing the shells - terrorists also operate in Germany (Baader-Meinhof Gangs) and Italy (The Red Brigades) - with little to no interest in what Americans are doing. Ditto the IRA, the Provo Wing, and other assorted groups trying to keep the idea of "A Protestant Ireland" from happening. That's why we have units like GSG-9, the Carbineri, SAS, SBS, 14 Company, and a whole load of others - including our own SFOD-Delta and SEAL Team SIX. All are dedicated to the idea of ridding the world of terrorists wherever they can be found, and all of them know how to play in the same sandbox - which is handy if someone needs help!

No, I have this opinion because 1) Hezbolla are no less terrorists than Islamic Jihad, Al Qaida, or the IRA; and 2) People who allow terrorists to operate in their area should bloody well by now KNOW that something's going to land on their heads in short order. Might as well take care of the tangos before the rain begins to fall... Gawd help them if they start to operate anywhere near men - you'll end up finding a bunch of tangos with slit throads and collapsed skulls... Gunshots can be far too noisy sometimes...

5-90

[aroncull]

Your a moron. Children being killed doesnt matter to you? I can assure you it is not as simple as people just deciding, oh we dont want the militant shite group here anymore lets go give them the boot. If you think Lebanon is "sponsoring" a terrorist group, you are VERY misinformed. Nearly everyone but this country can see Israel is in the wrong, when will this country understand. Hezbollah should certainly stop firing rockets, its a vain attempt to accomplish whatever the hell they are doing. All it is accomplishing, is the destruction of Lebanon. RIP Lebanon, the once Beautiful country.

Hmm Dude your Rude and If you think that starting a statement with "Your a moron" is going to give your post or comments any lasting validity then you are wrong.. if you would like to get an idea across successfully then dont be so rude about it. even if your country is currently bieng bombed!

ok... my thoughts on the whole thing....

Its about time Israel got a chance to kick some A$$ Woooo Hoooo
I watched the Hezbolla TV guy on Larry tonight and was totally offended by his utter lies and sickness, bile and crap he spoke.
Also felt the same way about the syrian figure head woman, talking about the help that Hezies get from syria or the weapons and transporting.. LIES LIES LIES!!!!!
Total utter lies..

ok so yeah i want Hamas and Hezbolla to all be killed and or imprisoned.. thats a start.. but just like every where in the world there are the regular people, the villages, children, old ladies.. they die! WAR sucks, look at Berlin at the end of WWII, or any of the destruction of the other "modern, Industrial age wars".

I believe that in a sense, IT IS as simple as the people banding together to shake out the militant shiite's if they dont well.. again they will kill and be killed. They are guilty in there complacency [Lebonese people] the children are the real losers and are in any conflict... thats a given...

Innocents AND the guilty will die... Conflict sucks.. but in this one.. I am all for Israel GO GET EM!!!

BTW Hate the way the Hezbola guy wouldnt even call Israel by its name, calling it the occupied Palistine.. HISTORY PEOPLE! LOOK AT THE HISTORY! SICK totally sick..

Oh and GO 5-90!!

Anyways i hope they show the ground war stuff on TV,
Love the Merkava's;

http://www.military.com/pics/SoldierTech_Merkava2.jpg

[Ramsey]

I'm not arguing what hezbollah is doing as right, just what the "zionist regime" is doing is wrong. If you dont think that is so, you need a reality check. You'd be singing a different tune if your family was being bombed, and not telling them tough, they should have taken care of the problem earlier.

[919Chief]

I'm not arguing what hezbollah is doing as right, just what the "zionist regime" is doing is wrong. If you dont think that is so, you need a reality check. You'd be singing a different tune if your family was being bombed, and not telling them tough, they should have taken care of the problem earlier.

So they are wrong for defending themselves?

Isreal pulled out of Lebanon several years ago and left them to thier own devices. The people there had a chance to grow, prosper and become a great place.

They chose the other path, to allow Hezbollah to operate freely within thier borders and attack Isreal. Even elected Hezbollah to 14 seats in parliment.

Well, you poke a stick at a big dog long enough and he is going to bite back, and when that big dog is biting terrorists, I like it.

You see, despite claims of many there is only a certain amount of manpower and money that the islamo-fascist bunch who want the USA and Isreal destroyed have to expend. And right now we are consuming thier resources in Iraq, and now Isreal is getting ready to consume a whole lot more of Syria and Irans resources.

Better in thier backyard than ours.

And yes, peoples homes are getting destroyed and people not involved get killed. That happens in war, always has, always will. But one side does its best to hit military/government targets, while the other has no problem killing and trageting civilians as well.... or even hiding behind its own civilians.

If you think both sides are equal, your eyes are closed either by ignorance or hatred.

[ECKSJAY]

And yes, peoples homes are getting destroyed and people not involved get killed. That happens in war, always has, always will. But one side does its best to hit military/government targets, while the other has no problem killing and trageting civilians as well.... or even hiding behind its own civilians.

Has this ever happened to you or your family?

If you think both sides are equal, your eyes are closed either by ignorance or hatred.
Don't rule out 'personal experience' from that list of possibilities. ;)

[919Chief]

Has this ever happened to you or your family?

Don't rule out 'personal experience' from that list of possibilities. ;)

I had several friends who worked at the pentagon on 9/11 and one family member there. One of my terps in Afghanistan who became a dear friend had his home destroyed and father killed by the Taliban. Many other Afghans I worked with had similar stories.

And I have been on missions in Afghanistan that resulted in destruction of a great deal of stuff.... all justified.

It is war, in war you kill people and break things. Sometimes things get broken that shouldn't be.... sh*t happens. Don't like it, don't start a war.

Yes, the arguement if you don't like it don't let the bastards operate in your country is valid. A country that supports terrorists is eventually going to find itself paying for that. If you let then set up rockets in your backyard, you have consented to your home becoming a military target. If you let them move troops in ambulances, you just gave up legal protections for ambulances in time of war. Use a mosque or church to store munitions? You just gave up its protections in time of war as well.

If you sat back and said "what can I do" and did nothing to stop it, don't be upset when the lack of action on the part of yourself and your neighbors comes back to bite you in the ass.

Show me Isreali suicide bombers, intentional targeting of crowded markets or restraunts, or firing at civilian areas with no military value at the same level they are attacked with it and you will convince me both sides are equal......

[919Chief]

Yeah both sides are equal....


Hizballah Wants Israel to Free Child-Killer
By Patrick Goodenough
CNSNews.com International Editor
July 18, 2006

(CNSNews.com) - An Arab prisoner Hizballah wants Israel to release in exchange for the two Israeli soldiers it abducted in a cross-border raid last week is serving multiple life sentences for an attack in which he killed a four-year-old girl by smashing her skull with a rifle butt.

Samir Kuntar is one of only two or three Lebanese prisoners still held by Israel, and Hizballah said its July 12 assault is aimed at winning his freedom....

[5-90]

Children being killed DOES matter to me, but the avowed goal of any terrorist organisation is "terror" - which is why they target civilian women and civilian children FIRST.

Moreover, I have found that your basic terrorist is a coward at heart. If they weren't, wouldn't they go after fortified targets, and targets with an intrinsic military value? Even when they do go after soldiers, they do so in eaches, when they're on their way to base or somesuch, and driving in traffic.

Don't start on the USS Cole bombing - that was an essentially unfortified target, due to drastic changes in Navy point-defense policy, so as not to "offend" anyone. I don't get that - the principal purpose of an armed force is to break things and kill people - not to be "inoffensive." It's not the Boy Scouts, and it's not the Peace Corps, and it damn sure isn't any "country club" - so stop trying to run it like it's any of those three. You want to rebuild? Send in the Peace Corps. You want to help after a disaster? Send in the Boy Scouts. You want to stop armed aggression? Send in the Armed Forces (besides, last time I checked, the Peace Corps and the Boy Scouts don't have ordnance handy...)

I do have a problem with civilian casualties, but (like I'd said,) we're dealing with an entrenched civilian enemy - and they have no trouble using children to make their attacks. That was a lesson learned in Vietnam, and one we should have taken to heart. Vietnam was very nearly a war of terror, and it did serve to show us the changing face of warfare for the twenty-first century - we should have taken those lessons to heart. We're paying for not doing so now...

5-90

[red91]

Its amazing how ignorant you people really are.


You must be the only person here with any sense and decency.


hey bastich.....i still like you...but Lebanon needs to put a bullet in the back of the head of Hezbollah.

That would solve the problem right there.

I don't like whats going on either...but to let Syria, and Iran play Lebanon like a cheap date...the people (government) needs to stand up and say no.

If Syria and Iran like Hezbollah so damn much they should leave Lebanon and take residency at the Motel 6 in Syria.

Ramsey...I want absolutly NOTHING to happen to your family. I hope they are safe, they are in MY prayers.

[Ramsey]

hey bastich.....i still like you...but Lebanon needs to put a bullet in the back of the head of Hezbollah.


i agree with you there, and i also like me too. this shit is just frustrating.

[red91]

i agree with you there, and i also like me too. this shit is just frustrating.


No doubt...for you more than anyone else here.

[RichP]

i agree with you there, and i also like me too. this shit is just frustrating.

It's not frustrating to me, it's more annoying that the citizens of those countries don't have the balls to fix the problems and knock off the terrorists.

[cracker]

Was Hezbollah voted 'in' by the Lebanese?

[Ramsey]

I'm sure if they could most of em would. There isnt exactly a gun store on every corner there. Just as many, most likely more, fear them as there are that respect and support them.

[Ramsey]

Was Hezbollah voted 'in' by the Lebanese?
Into the government in a recent election, there are many different political parties there and hezbollah has a small hold in it.

[919Chief]

Into the government in a recent election, there are many different political parties there and hezbollah has a small hold in it.

They hold 15 of 128 seats according to what I read, and are in the minority coalition... yet have free reign to do whatever they please because the majority turn a blind eye to thier activities.

[RichP]

I'm sure if they could most of em would. There isnt exactly a gun store on every corner there. Just as many, most likely more, fear them as there are that respect and support them.

Hmmm, theres more AK's over there than people and as far as acquiring them, does the phrase 'two birds with one garrote' strike any chords...hell, if you were willing the knock off hezbolla's the IDF would probably GIVE them to you...

[IMORTL]

Ramsey, I dont know who you are or where you come from... but think on this list of recent torrorist actions around the world... Either they die or we die... And yes... I approve of killing their children... they grow up to be torrorists... They would have no problem with killing your kids if given the chance... and would probably make a video out of it. I sleep soundly knowing I feel this way... I wish the world was a happy - can't we all just get along - kind of place -- but it isnt... read the list if you if you disagree... If I had my wish there woudl be no religion... all it does is make people want to control others...

2001

February 5: A bomb blast in Moscow's Byelorusskaya metro station injures 15 people.
February 18: Gracanica bus bombing, 13 Serbian civilians are killed by a bomb attack on a bus in Northern Kosovo.
March 24: Twenty people die and 93 are injured in three bomb attacks on Russian towns near the border of Chechnya.
March 26: Israeli infant Shalhevet Pass is fatally shot in the head by a Palestinian sniper in Hebron.
June 1: 21 civilians, mostly teenagers from the former Soviet Union, are killed by a Hamas suicide bomber in the Dolphinarium massacre in Tel Aviv, Israel
August 2: The last (at time of writing) IRA bomb on mainland Britain explodes in Ealing, West London, though there are no injuries.
August 9: A suicide bomber in Jerusalem kills seven and wounds 130 in the Sbarro restaurant suicide bombing; Hamas and Islamic Jihad claim responsibility.
The attacks on September 11 kill 2,986 in a series of hijacked airliner crashes into two U.S. landmarks: the World Trade Center in New York City, New York, and The Pentagon in Arlington, Virginia. A fourth plane, originally intended to hit an unknown, but likely prominent, Washington, D.C. target, crashes in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, after an apparent revolt against the hijackers by the plane's passengers; by al-Qaeda
Paris embassy attack plot foiled.
October 1: A car bomb explodes near the Jammu and Kashmir state assembly in Srinagar, India killing 35 people and injuring 40 more.
October 17: Israeli tourism minister Rehavam Zeevi is assassinated by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.
Anthrax attacks on the offices the United States Congress and New York State Government offices, and on employees of television networks and tabloid.
December 13: Terrorist attack on Indian Parliament.
December 22: Richard Reid, attempting to destroy American Airlines Flight 63, is subdued by passengers and flight attendants before he could detonate his shoe bomb.

2002
Terrorism against Israel in 2002.
Singapore embassies attack plot foiled.
January: Kidnapping and murder of journalist Daniel Pearl.
March 27: A Palestinian suicide bomber kills 30 and injures 140 during Passover festivities in a hotel in Netanya, Israel in the Passover massacre.
March 31: A Hamas suicide bomber kills 15 and injures over 40 in Haifa, Israel, in the Matza restaurant massacre.
April 11: A natural gas truck fitted with explosives is driven into a synagogue in Tunisia by an al-Qaeda member, killing 21 and wounding more than 30 in the Ghriba Synagogue Attack.
May 8: May 8 Bus Attack in Karachi kills 11 Frenchmen and two Pakistanis.
May 9: A bomb explosion in Kaspiisk in Dagestan kills at least 42 people and injures 130 or more during Victory Day festivities.
May 13: 12 people are killed in the Jaunpur train crash in India, caused when Islamic extremists cut the rails.
June 14: Car bomb at US Consulate in Karachi kills 12.
June 18: A Hamas suicide bomber detonates himself on a bus in Jerusalem in the Patt junction massacre. The attack kills 19 people and wounds over 74.
July 4: An Egyptian gunman opens fire at an El Al ticket counter in Los Angeles International Airport, killing 2 Israelis before being killed himself.
September 10: A train derailment in India kills 130 people in the Rafiganj rail disaster. Naxalite terrorism is suspected.
September 25: Two terrorists belonging to the Jaish-e-Mohammed group raid the Akshardham temple complex in Ahmedabad, India killing 30 people and injuring many more.
October: John Allen Muhammed and Lee Boyd Malvo conduct the Beltway Sniper Attacks, killing 10 people in various locations throughout the Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area from October 2 until they are arrested on October 24.
October 6: Limburg tanker bombing in Yemen.
October 12: Bali bombing of holidaymakers kills 202 people, mostly Western tourists and local Balinese hospitality staff.
October 17: Zamboanga bombings in the Philippines kill six and wounds about 150.
October 18: A bus bomb in Manila kills three people and wounds 22.
October 19: A car bomb explodes outside a McDonald's Corp. restaurant in Moscow, killing one person and wounding five.
October 23: Moscow theater hostage crisis begins; 120 hostages and 40 terrorists killed in rescue three days later.
November 21: Hamas orchestrates the Jerusalem bus 20 massacre. 11 people are killed and over 50 wounded when a suicide bomber detonates on a crowded bus in central Jerusalem.
November 28: Kenyan hotel bombing.
December 21: Kurnool train crash, Islamic extremists derail a train and kill 20 people in India.
December 27: The truck bombing of the Chechen parliament in Grozny kills 83 people.

2003

One of the compounds hit by the Riyadh Compound Bombings. Terrorism against Israel in 2003.
Suicide attacks in Iraq in 2003.
February 7: Car bomb kills 36 and injures 150 at the El Nogal nightclub in Bogotá, Colombia; FARC rebels are blamed.
March 4: Bomb attack in an airport in Davao kills 21.
March 5: A Hamas suicide bomber kills 17 people and wounds 53 when he detonates a bomb hidden under his clothing in the Haifa bus 37 massacre.
March 23: SGT Hasan Akbar, USA, murdered 2 officers and wounded 14 soldiers in a grenade attack at an Army base in Iraq.
May 12: Bombings of United States expatriate housing compounds in Saudi Arabia kill 26 and injure 160 in the Riyadh Compound Bombings. Al-Qaeda blamed.
May 12: A truck bomb attack on a government building in the Chechen town of Znamenskoye kills 59.
May 14: As many as 16 die in a suicide bombing at a religious festival in southeastern Chechnya.
May 16: Casablanca Attacks by 12 bombers on five "Western and Jewish" targets in Casablanca, Morocco leaves 41 dead and over 100 injured. Attack attributed to a Moroccan al-Qaeda-linked group.
July 5: 15 people die and 40 are injured in bomb attacks at a rock festival in Moscow.
August 1: An explosion at the Russian hospital in Mozdok in North Ossetia kills at least 50 people and injures 76.
August 19: Canal Hotel Bombing in Baghdad, Iraq, kills 22 people (including the top UN representative Sergio Vieira de Mello) and wounds over 100.
August 19: Jerusalem bus 2 massacre: A Hamas suicide bomber detonates himself on a crowded bus carrying mostly Orthodox Jewish Israelis, including many children returning from the Western Wall. 23 people are killed and over 130 wounded.
August 25: At least 48 people were killed and 150 injured in two blasts in south Mumbai - one near the Gateway of India at the other at the Zaveri Bazaar.
September 3: A bomb blast on a passenger train near Kislovodsk in southern Russia kills seven people and injures 90.
October 4: A Palestinian suicide bomber kills 21 and wounds 51 in a Haifa restaurant in the Maxim restaurant massacre.
October 15: A bomb is detonated by Palestinians against a US diplomatic convoy in the Gaza Strip, killing three Americans.
November 15 and November 20: Truck bombs go off at two synagogues, the British Consulate, and the HSBC Bank in Istanbul, Turkey, killing 57 and wounding 700 in the 2003 Istanbul Bombings.
December 5: Suicide bombers kill at least 46 people in an attack on a train in southern Russia
December 9: A blast in the center of Moscow kills six people and wounds at least 11.

2004

The scene of one of the Madrid bombings. Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict 2004.
Suicide attacks in Iraq in 2004.
January 29: Jerusalem bus 19 massacre: Hamas and Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades orchestrate a suicide bombing on a bus in Jerusalem, Israel killing 11 people and wounding more than 50.
February 6: Bomb on Moscow Metro kills 41.
February 27: Superferry 14 is bombed in the Philippines by Abu Sayyaf, killing 116.
March 2: Ashoura Massacre: Suicide bombings at Shia holy sites in Iraq kill 181 and wound more than 500 during the Ashura.
March 2: Attack on procession of Shia Muslims in Pakistan kills 43 and wounds 160. (See also: Ashoura Massacre in Iraq.)
March 9: Attack of Istanbul restaurant in Turkey.
March 11: Coordinated bombing of commuter trains in Madrid, Spain, kills 191 people and injures more than 1,500.
March 24: Israeli soldiers arrest Hussam Abdo, a 15 year-old Palestinian boy with explosives strapped to his chest at the Hawara Checkpoint. The Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades sent Abdo on a suicide mission to bomb the checkpoint.
April 21: Bombing of a security building in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia kills five.
May 1: 2004 Yanbu attack kills six Westerners and a Saudi in Saudi Arabia.
May 2: Pregnant Israeli commuter Tali Hatuel and her four young children are gunned down at close range by militants from the Popular Resistance Committees and Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
May 29: Al-Khobar massacres, in which Islamic militants kill 22 people at an oil compound in Saudi Arabia.
August 24: Russian airplane bombings kill 90.
August 31: A blast near a subway station entrance in northern Moscow, caused by a suicide bomber, kills 10 people and injures 33.
September 1 – 3: Beslan school hostage crisis in North Ossetia, Russia, results in 344 dead.
September 9: Jakarta embassy bombing, in which the Australian embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia was bombed, killing eight people.
October 7: Sinai bombings: Three car bombs explode in the Sinai Peninsula, killing at least 34 and wounding 171, many of them Israeli and other foreign tourists.
December 6: Suspected al Qaeda-linked group attacks U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, killing five local employees.
December 12: A bombing at the Christmas market in General Santos, Philippines, kills 15.

2005

The wreckage of a London bus, following the July 7 attacks. Suicide attacks in Iraq in 2005.
February 14: A car bomb kills former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafiq Hariri and 20 others in Beirut. See also: 2005 Lebanon bombings.
February 25: A suicide bomber in Tel Aviv kills five Israelis and undermines a weeks-old truce between the two sides.
March 19: Car bomb attack on theatre in Doha, Qatar, kills one Briton and wounds 12 others.
April: April 2005 terrorist attacks in Cairo – On April 7 a suicide bomber blows himself up in Cairo's Khan al Khalili market, killing three foreign tourists and wounding 17 others. In two further attacks on April 30, suspected accomplices detonate a bomb and spray a tourist coach with gunfire.
May 7: Multiple bomb explosions across Myanmar's capital Yangon kill 19 and injures 160.
June 1: A suicide bomber blows up in a mosque in Kandahar, Afghanistan, killing 20 people.
June 12: Bombs explode in the Iranian cities of Ahvaz and Tehran, leaving 10 dead and 80 wounded days before the Iranian presidential election.
July 5: 2005 Terrorist attack on Ayodhya – Six terrorists belonging to Lashkar-e-Toiba storm the Ayodhya Ram Janmbhomi complex in India. Before the terrorists could reach the main disputed site, they were shot down by Indian security forces. One devotee and two policemen were injured.
July 7: 7 July 2005 London bombings – Bombs explode on one double-decker bus and three London Underground trains, killing 56 people and injuring over 700, occurring on the first day of the 31st G8 Conference. The attacks are believed by many to be the first suicide bombings in Western Europe.
July 12: Islamic Jihad takes responsibility for a suicide bombing in Netanya, Israel, which kills five people at a shopping mall.
July 21: 21 July 2005 London bombings - Small explosions in three London Underground stations and one double-decker bus. This was pronounced as a "major incident" rather than an attack, and only minor injuries were reported. These 4 bombs were designed to cause as much damage as the 7 July 2005 London bombings, but the explosives had deteriorated and failed to detonate.
July 23: Sharm el-Sheikh bombings – Car bombs explode at tourist sites in Sharm el-Sheikh, Egypt, killing at least 88 and wounding more than 100.
July 28: Jaunpur train bombing: 13 are killed when militants detonate a bomb on a communter train in India
August 4: Jewish settler in an IDF uniform opens fire on a bus in Shfaram, Israel, killing 4 Israeli Arabs and wounding 5.
August 17: 17 August 2005 Bangladesh bombings: Around 100 homemade bombs explode in 58 different locations in Bangladesh, killing two and wounding 100.
October 1: A series of explosions occurs in resort areas of Jimabaran Beach and Kuta in Bali, Indonesia.
October 13: A large group of Chechen rebels launched coordinated attacks on Russian federal buildings, local police stations, and the airport in Nalchik, Kabardino-Balkaria. At least 137 people, including 92 rebels, were killed.
October 15: Two bombs exploded at a shopping mall in Ahvaz, Khuzestan in Iran. Six people died and over 100 were injured.
October 24: Multiple car bombs explode outside the Green Zone in Baghdad, Iraq, killing at least 11. It is thought that the attacks were targeting journalists inside the Palestine Hotel and the Sheraton Ishtar. [1]
October 26: A Palestinian suicide bomber detonates a bomb near a falafel stand in Hadera, Israel that kills himself and six others. Twenty-six people were also wounded. [2]
October 29: Multiple bomb blasts hit markets in Delhi, India, leaving at least 61 dead and more than 200 injured.
November 9: Three explosions at hotels in Amman, Jordan, leave at least 60 dead and 120 wounded.
December 5: A suicide bomb attack kills at least five people in Netanya in north-western Israel.
December 28: Two or more unidentified gunmen open fire at the Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore, India, killing a retired professor of mathematics and wounding four others.

2006
2006: Palestinian terrorists (Hamas) have continued firing Qassam missiles into Israel, especially the cities of Ashkelon and Sderot, and have injuried many citizens and caused civilian damage.
Suicide attacks in Iraq in 2006.
February 22: Al Askari Mosque bombing ignites sectarian strife in Iraq.
March 2: Bombing in Karachi, Pakistan kills four, including a U.S. diplomat.
March 3: Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, an Iranian-born graduate of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, drives an SUV onto a crowded part of campus, injuring nine.
March 7: Bombings in the Hindu holy city of Varanasi, India, leave at least 15 people dead.
April 11: A suicide bomber explodes himself in Karachi, Pakistan kills 57 Sunni worshippers.
April 17: Sami Hammad, a Palestinian suicide bomber, detonates an explosive device in Tel Aviv, Israel, killing eleven people and injuring 70.
April 24: Bombings at three locations in Dahab, Egypt kill 20 Egyptians, 3 foreigners, and injure 62 others.
June 15 : The LTTE detonate a claymore mine by a bus carrying 140 civilians in Sri Lanka. 68 civilians, including 10 children and 3 pregnant women, are killed. Approximately 60 civilians are injured.

The 11 July 2006 Mumbai train bombings June 25 : Corporal Gilad Shalit, a French and Israeli citizen, was kidnapped by Palestinian terrorists in a raid that killed two and wounded four others.
June 25 : Eliyahu Asheri, an Israeli citizen, was kidnapped and murdered by the Palestinian terrorist group, the Popular Resistance Committees (PRC).
July 9: 40 Sunni civilians are massacred by Shia militants in Baghdad, Iraq.
July 11: A series of explosions rock commuter trains in Mumbai, India, killing at least 200. Approximately 700 civilians are injured.
July 12: The terrorist organization, Hezbollah, which is funded and supported by Iran and Syria, launches an attack against Israel. This results in the deaths of 8 Israelis and an additional two being held as prisoners.
July 14: Suicide bomber in Karachi, Pakistan kills a Shiite Islamic cleric Allama Hasan Turabi and his nephew.
July 16: Hezbollah rains rockets down on Northern Israel, reaching Haifa and killing 8 Israelis at a train depot there.

[Ramsey]

Fools

[IMORTL]

I see you can't read... Well, maybe when you get out of school and get some years under your butt... you will realize who the fool is... Till then...

[Ramsey]

Yes there are plenty of bad people, but lumping an entire group together as most of you are doing, is FOOLISH and ignorant. Not a lot of years, but enough experience in this area. Have you ever been there when Israel was shelling? Didn't think so.

[Captain Ron]

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Small potatoes. Ken, go easy on the "years" thing. Perspective is not exclusively yours to to use as a sword. You'll get cut too more often than not.

If your gonna kill civvies, do it US style.

Feb 13, 1945, Dresden firebombing, between 35,000 and 100,000 civilians and refugees killed. (Writer Kurt Vonnegut wrote some pretty profound things about his time there as a POW...)

Curtis Lemay, and Robert McNamara scored these...

Condensed, 65 firebombing raids on Tokyo and other cities during December 1944 and August 1945 killed 137,582 civilians.

You'll note in most accounts of the time the term "Terror Bombing"...

--ron

[woody]

There were likely some good Japanese back around 1945 in Nagasaki & Hiroshima too... too bad they ended up extra-crispy just like the bad ones did.

But they acquiesced, so they were laid to rest...in a big smoldering pile of rubble, with one helluva suntan :sunshine:

If the good citizens of the region can't take care of their own messes, they won't be left with a lot of room to maneuver.

Ron: good point about Dresden & Tokyo... that got their attention too, but not like the fat man & little boy did.

[Captain Ron]

There were likely some good Japanese back around 1945 in Nagasaki & Hiroshima too... too bad they ended up extra-crispy just like the bad ones did.

But they acquiesced, so they were laid to rest...in a big smoldering pile of rubble, with one helluva suntan :sun:

If the good citizens of the region can't take care of their own messes, they won't be left with a lot of room to maneuver.

Ron: good point about Dresden & Tokyo... that got their attention too, but not like the fat man & little boy did.

What I find interesting is why are these methods not in favor today? Did we make some kind of advances as humans that alot of people are not aware of? :D

--ron

[GSequoia]

I vote for bringing back privateers.

Second?

[Captain Ron]

I vote for bringing back privateers.

Second?

I would help you out, but I'm homeless right now. :D

--ron

[woody]

What I find interesting is why are these methods not in favor today? Did we make some kind of advances as humans that alot of people are not aware of? :D

--ron

Well, they tried with the AIDS thing, but that isn't working as well as planned in that region... Too damn chaste.

There is still hope for the SARS and the bird flu...

[LBEXJ]

[COLOR=indigo]Condensed, 65 firebombing raids on Tokyo and other cities during December 1944 and August 1945 killed 137,582 civilians.

You'll note in most accounts of the time the term "Terror Bombing"...

--ron
My father flew in those missions over Japan as a tail gunner in a B29. The few times he talked about those missions, I remember him commenting that, the day before those missions were to be conducted, flights were made dropping leaflet warning the citizens that the city would be burned to the ground the following day.

The goal was not killing civilians, but to exact destruction to large areas of industry, transportation, and supplies. The "terror" used in the term "Terror Missions" was not fear of losing your life per se, it was more fear of the power to destroy (ironically "mass destruction"). The civilian casualies were considered as unfortunate collaterial damage and efforts were made to lessen it.

Now the Atomic Bomb missions had slightly different goals, and I believe one of those was the killing of people. The rational was, the lives lost in these bombings would be less than the lives lost if the war continued. But still, the primary goal was to show that the United States had the power and destruction capability. There was a lot of anguish and debate over the decision to use the bomb because of the lives involved.

Maybe this happened this way ... maybe not. Could be that this is the way history was recorded make the these missions seem more one with more conventional military goals. But this is my understanding of these particular events.

Les

BTW: The United States Armed Forces did not hide behind civilians to do this either. But the Revolutionary Army hid behind trees back in those days! That was considered unconventional military tactics. :D

[919Chief]

Yes there are plenty of bad people, but lumping an entire group together as most of you are doing, is FOOLISH and ignorant. Not a lot of years, but enough experience in this area. Have you ever been there when Israel was shelling? Didn't think so.

And entire group is represented by the company they keep and who they let operate among them.

I am sure there are good people there. I am sure that there are probably enough of them to overtrow a party that could only get around 12% of the seats in parliment. I am sure if they were actively trying to fight the terrorists and eliminate them the US would be making sure they get enough supplies..... we have a long history of that and lots of training to do so.

They say there are 25,000 US citizens there.... I could take that whole place with 25,000 troops.

Have I been there when Israel was shelling? nope, but I have been shelled....... by miliant islamists.

[Root Moose]

Did we make some kind of advances as humans that alot of people are not aware of? :D

Yes, now we look into the future as to the "fall out" of not being able to set up a KFC or McDs on the bombed spot right away.

[IMORTL]

Yes there are plenty of bad people, but lumping an entire group together as most of you are doing, is FOOLISH and ignorant. Not a lot of years, but enough experience in this area. Have you ever been there when Israel was shelling? Didn't think so.

I was waiting for this quote...

Yes

I do blame the entire group of people... Now I ask you to go read the list... for the first time... when you are done, I ask you:

where is the outrage from the muslim world? do you hear any muslim country condem any of these acts? no you dont, because they approve... and I say again... at what point do you fight back...

Ron, to answer your comments... I believe if there attacks continue to increase in scale... you will see that kind of action again... but it may be hard to get stone houses to burn like wood ones...

[RichP]

I was waiting for this quote...

Yes

I do blame the entire group of people... Now I ask you to go read the list... for the first time... when you are done, I ask you:

where is the outrage from the muslim world? do you hear any muslim country condem any of these acts? no you dont, because they approve... and I say again... at what point do you fight back...

Ron, to answer your comments... I believe if there attacks continue to increase in scale... you will see that kind of action again... but it may be hard to get stone houses to burn like wood ones...

Lets qualify that a bit, 'Do you read or hear any NEWS reports of muslim countries condem any of these acts, I for one believe half of what I read in the news, look over some of the muslim sites where you will get some of the other half and you'll read a different story, those people are not liken this atall. As some of my co-workers have commented 'They're nuckin futs' over there, more than a few of my co-workers are muslim... Now granted, the mullahs are in a power position now that they have not been in for over a thousand years and it really started when iran took the US embassy and that whole hostage thing. Iran is the main cause of all this going on and my guess is this latest thing with the hezbolla and hamas vs israel is going to be the straw that goes in the iranian camels ass. Personally if I was in Iran and couldn't leave the country I'd move out of and upwind of Tehran and Isfahan as well as staying well away from iranian ammo and ordanance storage facilities...and the airports...
You start reading about some of the stuff that the IDF is doing, they are basically putting a stop to any incoming trucking to prevent them getting more rockets and it won't be long before they head for the source. Just my view..

[IMORTL]

'Do you read or hear any NEWS reports of muslim countries condem any of these acts, I for one believe half of what I read in the news, look over some of the muslim sites where you will get some of the other half and you'll read a different story,

Iran is not the only Muslim Country...

Afghanistan
Albania

Algeria
Azerbaijan

Bahrain
Bangladesh

Brunei
Bosnia & Herzegovina

Burkina Faso
Chad

Comoros
Cote D'Ivoire

Djibouti
Egypt

Ethiopia
Indonesia

Iran
Iraq

Jordan
Kazakhstan

Kuwait
Lebanon

Libya
Malaysia

Mali
Morocco

Niger
Nigeria

Oman
Pakistan

Qatar
Saudi Arabia

Senegal
Sierra Leone

Somalia
Sudan

Syria
Tajikistan

Tunisia
Turkey

United Arab Emirates
Uzbekistan

Yemen
Zanzibar

[RichP]

Iran is not the only Muslim Country...

Afghanistan
Albania
Algeria
Azerbaijan
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Brunei
Bosnia & Herzegovina
Burkina Faso
Chad
Comoros
Cote D'Ivoire
Djibouti
Egypt
Ethiopia
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Kuwait
Lebanon
Libya
Malaysia
Mali
Morocco
Niger
Nigeria
Oman
Pakistan
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
Senegal
Sierra Leone
Somalia
Sudan
Syria
Tajikistan
Tunisia
Turkey
United Arab Emirates
Uzbekistan
Yemen
Zanzibar
Oh I know that but I firmly believe Iran is the main instegator here, providing funding and weapons, stuff they were alot more careful about handing out when sadam was in power, basically Tehran and Bagdad kept each other in check [we shoulda left sadam alone this last time except for the occasional upside the head 500lb'er] at least thats how I saw it. As for afganistan, no real choice but we shoulda totally cleaned it up before we bit iraq off. Personally I still think a blanket midnite run of laser guided muntions in a single nites raid around midnite would solve alot of problems though collatoral damage would be high as alot of them are used as ammo dumps...

[IMORTL]

collatoral damage would be high as alot of them are used as ammo dumps...


as in women and children?

let's get one thing clear... WAR IS HORRIBLE! It is probably the most aweful thing man ever invented... that being said... Sometimes war is unavoidable... when it is, make sure the other guy dies for his country (para phrased from Patton)

and my question still stands... why not condemnation from the other countries that Iran doesnt speak for them... ?????

someone else said -- "there will be no peace in the middle east until Muslim women love their children more than they hate Jews"... I believe there is a woman in the Palastinian govt. that was elceted because she had 3 sons as suicide bombers. and has 7 more ... and says "god willing they will too"...

[IMORTL]

Not a lot of years, but enough experience in this area. Have you ever been there when Israel was shelling? Didn't think so.

If I had, would it make my comments any more true or false?

What kind of arguement is that?

I have served in the Military... Have you? If not, should we just consider your comments unjustifed?

[BRIANHO13]

hezbolla is using this whole situation to recruit more terrorists, and Al jezera (sp) is running the adds non stop.

I think we need to take out Al Jezera as well.

[GSequoia]

I think we need to take out Al Jezera as well.

This is another ignorant statement. Al Jazera is not an enemy, in fact those same muslim fanatics hate Al Jazera because they feel they are pushing the Jewish agenda. AJ is just another news outlet, of course they have less of a western slant as they're in the east. Don't think they're a terrorist orginization though or you are guilty of painting with a really wide brush.

ONe more thing...

Why do they gotta call themselves Hezbolla? It's such a happy sounding name!

[IMORTL]

This is another ignorant statement. Al Jazera is not an enemy, in fact those same muslim fanatics hate Al Jazera because they feel they are pushing the Jewish agenda. AJ is just another news outlet, of course they have less of a western slant as they're in the east. Don't think they're a terrorist orginization though or you are guilty of painting with a really wide brush.

ONe more thing...

Why do they gotta call themselves Hezbolla? It's such a happy sounding name!

I hope he meant Al Queda... but if you are going to go after a news org... you could start with NBC, CBS and ABC...

Hezbollah - Party of God...

who doesnt want to go to a party?

[RedHeep]

Or the Communist News Network.

[BRIANHO13]

I hope he meant Al Queda... but if you are going to go after a news org... you could start with NBC, CBS and ABC...

Hezbollah - Party of God...

who doesnt want to go to a party?

No I meant al Jazera, the same news organization that runs recruiting for hezbolla and al queda.

[JnJ]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,204755,00.html

[goodburbon]

Comedian, activist, and onetime presidential candidate Dick Gregory (javascript:siteSearch('Dick Gregory');) told this week's NAACP (javascript:siteSearch('NAACP');) convention that white racists are turning blacks into criminals — by poisoning their food and water. Gregory said, "They convince you that I'm just a heathen... [but] I murder because something's in my food, something's in my water." He didn't say whom he meant by "they."

Gregory went on to claim that white-owned beer companies spike malt liquor with manganese, saying, "Once you get so much manganese in you, you will kill your momma."

This was too good to pass up from the same page.

The article intended to be referenced was a step in the right direction. I also heard that some lebanese are fighting hezbollah. Go get em guys! I am all for this one being solved internally, too bad it took so much outside pressure.

[RichP]

This was too good to pass up from the same page.

The article intended to be referenced was a step in the right direction. I also heard that some lebanese are fighting hezbollah. Go get em guys! I am all for this one being solved internally, too bad it took so much outside pressure.

I hope the IDF takes advantge of this and starts supplying them and drops a few fire support people in there to provide some 'heavy metal'... I also agree 'go get em, clean them out, get closer ties with israel and hunt terrroist groups down with the same zeal you root for the world soccer championships'...

[RichP]

This was too good to pass up from the same page.

The article intended to be referenced was a step in the right direction. I also heard that some lebanese are fighting hezbollah. Go get em guys! I am all for this one being solved internally, too bad it took so much outside pressure.


Gregory is and always was a wacko. Probably wears one of those alumium firesuits and tin hat when no ones looking..