Receiver Pintle Hook Needed

[GSequoia]

I'm hoping somebody here has one collecting dust or knows of a terrific deal on one as they're quite pricey.

So the deal is I'm a choosy customer, I'm looking for a pintle of this style:

http://www.northerntool.com/images/product/images/128300_lg.gif

It does not have to be cast like the one above, it could be square tube, it will only pull no more than 2000 pounds.

I do not want the style that has a plate with the pintle bolted to it or a combination ball/pintle as both of those create some nice areas to get hung up on.

Thanks,
Sequoia

[Gerr]

http://shop.easternmarine.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.prodInfo&productID=5169&categoryID=219

[Dirk Pitt]

I saw them last week in the Northern Tool catalogue also.

[HaleYes]

I saw them last week in the Northern Tool catalogue also.

:)

[Ray H]

Ive got one I will sell you for $10. The problem will be shipping all the way from right to wrong coast. Its not as pretty as that one but is plenty strong. I towed a 8000lbs load with it several times.

[GSequoia]

Got a picture perchance?

My zip is 90071 (business) if you'd like to see about shipping.

[Ray H]

Got a picture perchance?

My zip is 90071 (business) if you'd like to see about shipping.
I dont have one yet, I'll see if I can snap one tomorrow.

[RichP]

I'm going to pickup a standard M151 type pintle hook, uses 4 bolts to bolt to a bumper and rotates 360 degrees. Plan on bolting it thru my Tomken bumper with a steel plate on the backside. At least thats my plan, hopefully it won't interfere with the 2" receiver thats built into the bumper. Going to look at a 1/4 ton trailer a local guy has that he says is sound but needs derusting and painting and EB work for $200, we'll see later on today. I know I have a dash 10 around here somewhere for it.

[Ray H]

Here are a couple pics. It'll be about $22 for shipping FedEx ground. Thats $32 total. Let me know what you think.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f13/bnrhuffman/hitch%20skid/DSCF0977.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f13/bnrhuffman/hitch%20skid/DSCF0978.jpg

[RichP]

That one is not a good idea, you really need the pintle to rotate if you plan on any off roading at all. If you are just dragging a chipper or such around then it's no big deal but if this is for a 1/4 ton trailer for the jeep you want one that rotates.

[Ray H]

Doesnt the lunette eye rotate on 1/4 ton military trailers?

[ECKSJAY]

Doesnt the lunette eye rotate on 1/4 ton military trailers?

The eyes that I recall seeing are fixed. It's the pintle hook that rotates.

[sjkimmel99]

Two M416 eyes and one of the larger (6x8? 6x9? 1.5 ton?) trailer eyes.
These look like the shaft of the eye rotates and appear to have a grease fitting in the housing the shaft goes through. Sorry for the picture size but it's hard to see the detail otherwise.

The larger trailer:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/242/449794604_544a53a826_o.jpg

M416 eye

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/192/449794602_6515133ca6_o.jpg

another M416 eye - this one looks a little tilted (if it isn't an optical illusion)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/180/449794598_21073498a1_o.jpg

[GSequoia]

You wrong Rich and Phil! Deal with it! ;)

Mil vechiles pintle hooks are bolted on. It is the Lunette eye that rotates. SJK is correct, the Lunette has a shaft with a sloped bearing like surface that is greased and can rotate 360 degrees. Most trailers have one spot to bolt them, the M416 has two (three inches apart,for towing from different vehicles).

As you can see the top one, most likely taken from an M101 3/4 ton trailer, is bent so if you run it a true 360 degrees it gets out of whack, the M100, M146, and some of the earlier trailers are straight so if you turned it 360 degrees the frame of the trailer would be in the same position relitive to the tow rig, but, of course, either your trailer or your tow rings fenders are gonna be banged up :D

[ECKSJAY]

You wrong Rich and Phil! Deal with it! ;)
Well fark, whatever. :D It was other guys who would hook that junk up. I just drove my hummer around and kept them safe. :smoker:

[RichP]

You wrong Rich and Phil! Deal with it! ;)

Mil vechiles pintle hooks are bolted on. It is the Lunette eye that rotates. SJK is correct, the Lunette has a shaft with a sloped bearing like surface that is greased and can rotate 360 degrees. Most trailers have one spot to bolt them, the M416 has two (three inches apart,for towing from different vehicles).

As you can see the top one, most likely taken from an M101 3/4 ton trailer, is bent so if you run it a true 360 degrees it gets out of whack, the M100, M146, and some of the earlier trailers are straight so if you turned it 360 degrees the frame of the trailer would be in the same position relitive to the tow rig, but, of course, either your trailer or your tow rings fenders are gonna be banged up :D

Incorrect, I dragged one behind me in my quarter tons for almost 12 years in fire support, the trailers we had had fixed lunettes and the pintles rotated. That was true on both the M151A1, A2, M113, M577, humvee and my last tracked vehicle, an M2 bradley. The only fixed pintles I had seem to remember were on the 2.5 and 5 tons and that I'm not positive about, just pretty sure. At least this was the case in the 50th AD and the 42ID. It may have had something to do with our AO being europe,improved roads and all that. Even my dash 10 for the 151 which has a section on the trailer does not show a rotating lunette. The trailers we had were circa 60's era as I remember and we used them right up until 97 when the beds got so bad they were subject to losing stuff out the bottom....
If its a USMC trailer, maybe.

Correction, I just dug up the lube order and the 416 shows 7 fittings and the 151 shows two fittings on the pintle, one for the jaw and one for the shaft.....

[GSequoia]

60's era 1/4 ton trailers would be the M416, which all had rotating lunettes.

I'd like to see photos of that setup you describe because I haven't seen a single setup like that and I've been pouring through old Jeep and trailer photos for hte past couple months collecting data on my M416 project.

[sjkimmel99]

On the other hand, while not military (per se) this page:
http://www.equipmax.net/dbs/buyers/frameset1.htm (follow the "Towing and Cargo Control" / "Pintle Hooks" path into the catalog) has several swiveling pintles about half way down the page. They also have a number of fixed pintles. The same catalog also has a selection of drawbar eyes that all appear fixed.

Maybe it's just a design choice or a function of adapting commercial trailer chassis with fixed lunette rings for military purposes.

This page (http://www.utt-apl.com/component/component.htm ) attributes a spring cushioned swiveling pintle design as coming from the Bell System.

[Ray H]

Im not sure how you could even mount a swivel pintle in a 2" reciever. Has anyone seen any kind of swivel or rotating pintle that could be used with a reciever hitch?

[JohnX]

I don't see how it matter whether it rotates or not. Mine is fixed on Jeep end, fixed on trailer end.....just from the slop in a pintle, you can turn it over 45 degrees.

I drove mine fully loaded all over Moab last year with no problems.

[IH8RDS]

60's era 1/4 ton trailers would be the M416, which all had rotating lunettes.


Bingo.... I have the exact same pintle as this one. I'm not much help though because my trailer came with it :shhh:

http://www.northerntool.com/images/product/images/128300_lg.gif

[wndrlst]

The lunette rotates on a military set up, observe the m416 and m101s depicted. You can buy a rotating pintle from http://ww1.safholland.us/SiteCollectionImages/Products/coupling/PH-T-60-AOS-L-8_Small.jpg (http://ww1.safholland.us/sites/usa/en-US/products/couplingproducts/pintlehooks/Pages/PH-T-60-AOS-L-8.aspx)SAF Holland, but they are pricey and overkill HD. I think this is their smallest, rated for 3,600 lb. tongue and 18k overall.

I'm using this, I'll capture the nut inside the sq. tubing of the trailer tongue so it can rotate. This is from Eastern Marine, 3,000 tongue and 15k overall, $50,00. http://shop.easternmarine.com/images/product/6665.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:;)

[Glenn B]

Both ends will rotate on a properly maintained vehicle. WTF do you think the put grease fittings on both assemblies. Think about it kids, then go back to your days with your M35A2C (ok, my days in the Cav, before S-3) and your water buffalo.... now scratch yer head. Yup, I thought so.

If in doubt, check TM 9-2320-209-10-1 or 20 or LO, or whatever. But that hook on the end of the duece and a half had a grease fitting that was often missed. I remember that to this day. If you doubt me, tell me their are no trunion bearings either. And dare to tell me there is no spark plug on the White Multi-fuel diesel engine too.