Rock Pile, turned bashing, turned ZJ thread

[Brett M]

So, I browsed through my parents photo's and came across this. Pretty sure that this is how Rock Pile used to be, but tell me if I am wrong. Definately has changed over the years. Just thought I would share :)

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid203/p202149d95525fa2f268fdf3683294e35/ef9f06d6.jpg

[DaveW]

So, I browsed through my parents photo's and came across this. Pretty sure that this is how Rock Pile used to be, but tell me if I am wrong. Definately has changed over the years. Just thought I would share :)

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid203/p202149d95525fa2f268fdf3683294e35/ef9f06d6.jpg

I think the doc has an old pic of the rock rile. It has changed.

[Brad M.]

So, I browsed through my parents photo's and came across this. Pretty sure that this is how Rock Pile used to be, but tell me if I am wrong. Definately has changed over the years. Just thought I would share :)

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid203/p202149d95525fa2f268fdf3683294e35/ef9f06d6.jpg

That looks about right, IIRC. The first time I ever went thru Prichett was on a little Honda 125 motorcycle about 20 yrs ago. We drove down the rock pile, then back up it later that day. Has definitely changed.

[Brett M]

Oh and if any of you know Kevin Hawkins, that's him in the upper right...make fun of him now ;)

[DrMoab]

Oh and if any of you know Kevin Hawkins, that's him in the upper right...make fun of him now ;)
Thats Kevin? ha! thats funny. I know him and yeah....he has changed as much as the rock pile.

[brent]

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :rof: :roflmao: he has changed as much as the rock pile.
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

[DeadEyeJ]

Heck, most obstacles in Moab have about doubled in size since I started going down 6-7 years ago. It's a shame, really...

[DrMoab]

Heck, most obstacles in Moab have about doubled in size since I started going down 6-7 years ago. It's a shame, really...
Jared...once...just once I would like to see you post something that didn't have a complaint in it somewhere.

You have to be the most negative person I know and since everyone says that about me that is pretty bad.

[kirby]

I went down and did metal masher this year. I did it two years ago and attempted widow maker but didn't make it. I bet this year it was another 2 feet taller from all the sand being about a car length back. The picture in the moab book doesn't do widow maker justice. That's crazy that was rock pile back in the day.

[DeadEyeJ]

Heck, most obstacles in Moab have about doubled in size since I started going down 6-7 years ago. It's a shame, really...

How's this?

"Praise the good Lord and Halleleujah that most of the obstacles in Moab have been severely eroded and dug out! That means that nearly all of the usual trails present that extra level of challenge that we hard-core rock crawlers crave! Years ago, we had to lower our jeeps and run worn out car tires on them just to get our thrills. Yuck! Who wants a lowered Jeep?? But not so anymore! Now we can all get enormous, female-attracting lift kits on our jeeps to clear the equally enormous tires required to get up the tall ledges! Heck, I hope the rock pile TRIPLES in size before I run Pritchett again."

Better?

[DeadEyeJ]

Or....

How about on the next major Moab event we schedule we put together one run where we repair one dug out obstacle by shoveling some of the rocks/sand back into it's original position? I'm all for it, provided I make the trip down.

Jared:patriot:

[Israel]

How's this?

"Praise the good Lord and Halleleujah that most of the obstacles in Moab have been severely eroded and dug out! That means that nearly all of the usual trails present that extra level of challenge that we hard-core rock crawlers crave! Years ago, we had to lower our jeeps and run worn out car tires on them just to get our thrills. Yuck! Who wants a lowered Jeep?? But not so anymore! Now we can all get enormous, female-attracting lift kits on our jeeps to clear the equally enormous tires required to get up the tall ledges! Heck, I hope the rock pile TRIPLES in size before I run Pritchett again."

Better?

Amen to that, Brother!

[DrMoab]

How's this?

"Praise the good Lord and Halleleujah that most of the obstacles in Moab have been severely eroded and dug out! That means that nearly all of the usual trails present that extra level of challenge that we hard-core rock crawlers crave! Years ago, we had to lower our jeeps and run worn out car tires on them just to get our thrills. Yuck! Who wants a lowered Jeep?? But not so anymore! Now we can all get enormous, female-attracting lift kits on our jeeps to clear the equally enormous tires required to get up the tall ledges! Heck, I hope the rock pile TRIPLES in size before I run Pritchett again."

Better?
No...you are being negative again. Look the sport changes with use man. Trails get harder...people build their rigs up to handle them. For everyone who complains about trails getting harder there are just as many who complain because they keep building their rigs up and the trails get too easy for them.

Who is right? I say neither and both.

Do you feel that every trail in Moab should be easily wheeled by bone stock jeeps?

Sorry Jared if it bothers you that some people look at the harder stuff as a challenge instead of complaining about it getting harder.

BTW whats all the XJ HATER stuff? You are on an XJ board or did you forget? If you hate them so much why are you here? I'm not saying I want you to go anywhere else...I just have to wonder why someone would not only hang out on an XJ board if he hates them so much but also why you would buy another one.

[IntrepidXJ]

hell, rain and wind erodes trails, too!

[DrMoab]

heavy rain erodes trails, too!
People ruin good trails too. Look at Cliff Hangar. Do you have any idea how many people bitched about that trail getting easier? And to be honest its probably about what it was like when they made the road in the first place.

[IntrepidXJ]

People ruin good trails too.

never said they didn't......hell, if they didn't, then roads and trails would never need to be maintained

[DeadEyeJ]

I just have to wonder why someone would not only hang out on an XJ board if he hates them so much but also why you would buy another one.


Understood. Signing off.

[DrMoab]

Understood. Signing off.
I don't want that dude...neither does anyone else.

I just have to wonder why?

[DeadEyeJ]

I'll do my best.

Topic #1 - Trail erosion.

I have no problem with there being limitless difficult trails for very well built vehicles. But, nearly all popular trails are constantly becoming more difficult. So where are the near-stockers supposed to go? The only solutions are to keep making your vehicle more capable, or create new trails, which just isn't going to happen.

What I'd like to see is a sustainable model, where easy trails stay easy, medium trails stay medium, and hard trails stay hard but passable. Trail erosion/destruction certainly doesn't do the off road crowd any favors for keeping trails open. I make every effort to not spin tires or chuck rocks when I drive, so as to leave the trail the way I found it. I just wish folks would tread a little more lightly out of consideration for the guys who think "You know, the Rock Pile is probably tall enough." I try hard, and I mean very hard, not to damage the trail when I wheel.

Topic #2 - My feelings about XJ's and NAXJA

I LOVE wheeling my TJ. I am convinced that it would outwheel or at least keep up with any of the NINE Cherokees that I've owned. It was not only capable, it was enormously more comfortable and relaxing to drive off road. Leg and head room were far superior, visibility was far superior, ride quality was not even in the same universe it was so much better.

I LOVED wheeling my carb'd 1985 Ford Ranger longbed. It had HUGE ground clearance. It rode fantastic. The long wheelbase made ledges and hills a breeze. You could take it thru 1' deep holes, ruts and bumps at 45 MPH all day and feel comfortable behind the wheel.

I LOVED wheeling my '87 Bronco II. It could move fast like the ranger, it was tiny on the trail. It had acceptable front flex, and awesome rear flex. It was unique. It cost me $800 and I took the lift off a truck I bought for $150. I could literally catch 4 feet of air and not hurt a thing.

Now for the Cherokees I've had currently/recently -

They are capable wheeling rigs. But, I dislike the coil front / rear leaf combo. Having awesome, buggy style flex on the front and stiff skateboard style flex on the rear is just awful. It makes for a jarring ride off road and causes the body to get tossed side to side whenever the rear drops off/ climbs up a ledge or bump. I LOATHE unibody trucks. It is just foolish design. Can it be made to work? Of course. Does it hold up surprisingly well? Yes. But, it also transmits all kinds of chassis/drivetrain noise and vibrations into the cab FAR worse than a ladder frame vehicle with rubber body mounts. I really dislike the unibody for its terrible lack of easy and strong mounting points for bumpers and other accessories. Sheet metal, even when layered is just not a sensible place to mount suspension, drivetrain and steering components. XJ's have lousy body clearance. My Toyota pickup fits 32" tires bone stock and has more body clearance than my 6" lifted XJ did.

Now as to why I currently own an XJ. Because of the many XJ's I have owned, I have accumulated a wealth of knowledge and a collection of parts for them. They have strong transmissions and torquey engines. They are cheap and plentiful. They fit my kids in the back and the carseats are easily accessible. I really liked the blue color on the XJ I just bought. XJ's are easy to build into a decent wheeler for almost no money with a little ingenuity.

Why do I frequent NAXJA? Because there are a lot of nice people with helpful advice about the vehicle I currently own. It is, of course, a good place to find parts and accessories I'm interested in. I know and like several of you. I feel that I have something to offer to the XJ community in terms of mechanical know-how, and driving/geographic advice.

So, I hate Cherokees. However, they make sense for my family in our current circumstances and budget, so I'm kind of reluctantly stuck with one.

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Now, I am going to make a public and sincere request that you do not create any more posts solely to criticize my opinions about Jeeps or my outlook on conservation, vehicle preference, driving styles, or whatever else I may be rambling about. I have no problem with people giving me/others crap, but sometimes it seems like a more direct, personal stab than it should. I am not writing this out of any feelings of anger or hostility, I just feel like I keep getting an earful.

Okay, on with happy thoughts.

Jared:patriot:

[Israel]

My wife made parmesean salmon tonight for dinner. It was yummy.

Good to see you back on here Jared!

[DrMoab]

I'll do my best.

Topic #1 - Trail erosion.

I have no problem with there being limitless difficult trails for very well built vehicles. But, nearly all popular trails are constantly becoming more difficult. So where are the near-stockers supposed to go? The only solutions are to keep making your vehicle more capable, or create new trails, which just isn't going to happen.
While this happens on some trails it seems to me that the only trails this is really a problem are the ones that are already set up for the true hardcore.

Hells Revenge, Poison Spider Mesa, Fins and things...I could go on and on about these trails that are pretty much the same as they were when I first started wheeling. In fact the only two I can think of that are much much harder is Pritchett and Moab Rim. At least in the Moab area.

What I'd like to see is a sustainable model, where easy trails stay easy, medium trails stay medium, and hard trails stay hard but passable. Trail erosion/destruction certainly doesn't do the off road crowd any favors for keeping trails open. I make every effort to not spin tires or chuck rocks when I drive, so as to leave the trail the way I found it. I just wish folks would tread a little more lightly out of consideration for the guys who think "You know, the Rock Pile is probably tall enough." I try hard, and I mean very hard, not to damage the trail when I wheel.

As long as Moab is as popular as it is this will never happen. Especially with the harder trails. The sheer number of people on these trails will never allow this to be.
Topic #2 - My feelings about XJ's and NAXJA

I LOVE wheeling my TJ. I am convinced that it would outwheel or at least keep up with any of the NINE Cherokees that I've owned. It was not only capable, it was enormously more comfortable and relaxing to drive off road. Leg and head room were far superior, visibility was far superior, ride quality was not even in the same universe it was so much better.

I LOVED wheeling my carb'd 1985 Ford Ranger longbed. It had HUGE ground clearance. It rode fantastic. The long wheelbase made ledges and hills a breeze. You could take it thru 1' deep holes, ruts and bumps at 45 MPH all day and feel comfortable behind the wheel.


I LOVED wheeling my '87 Bronco II. It could move fast like the ranger, it was tiny on the trail. It had acceptable front flex, and awesome rear flex. It was unique. It cost me $800 and I took the lift off a truck I bought for $150. I could literally catch 4 feet of air and not hurt a thing.

Now for the Cherokees I've had currently/recently -

They are capable wheeling rigs. But, I dislike the coil front / rear leaf combo. Having awesome, buggy style flex on the front and stiff skateboard style flex on the rear is just awful.
If this is a problem then you don't have a well ballanced suspension. I used to suffer this with stiff rear springs but not anymore. All it took was a good set of rear springs. It makes for a jarring ride off road and causes the body to get tossed side to side whenever the rear drops off/ climbs up a ledge or bump. I LOATHE unibody trucks. It is just foolish design. Can it be made to work? Of course. Does it hold up surprisingly well? Yes. But, it also transmits all kinds of chassis/drivetrain noise and vibrations into the cab FAR worse than a ladder frame vehicle with rubber body mounts. I really dislike the unibody for its terrible lack of easy and strong mounting points for bumpers and other accessories. Sheet metal, even when layered is just not a sensible place to mount suspension, drivetrain and steering components. XJ's have lousy body clearance.
This just plain isn't true. When XJs first came out they had class leading ground clearance. You can't compare apples to Oranges. It isn't a truck. My Toyota pickup fits 32" tires bone stock and has more body clearance than my 6" lifted XJ did.

Now as to why I currently own an XJ. Because of the many XJ's I have owned, I have accumulated a wealth of knowledge and a collection of parts for them. They have strong transmissions and torquey engines. They are cheap and plentiful. They fit my kids in the back and the carseats are easily accessible. I really liked the blue color on the XJ I just bought. XJ's are easy to build into a decent wheeler for almost no money with a little ingenuity.

Why do I frequent NAXJA? Because there are a lot of nice people with helpful advice about the vehicle I currently own. It is, of course, a good place to find parts and accessories I'm interested in. I know and like several of you. I feel that I have something to offer to the XJ community in terms of mechanical know-how, and driving/geographic advice.

So, I hate Cherokees. However, they make sense for my family in our current circumstances and budget, so I'm kind of reluctantly stuck with one.

X-Terra? FourRunner? Excursion? Suburban? S-10 Blazer? I can think of a ton of vehicles you could have bought that would have allowed you to get your kids in the back, still have a frame and 4wd too. Why didn't you buy one of these if you hate XJs so bad?

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Now, I am going to make a public and sincere request that you do not create any more posts solely to criticize my opinions about Jeeps or my outlook on conservation, vehicle preference, driving styles, or whatever else I may be rambling about. I have no problem with people giving me/others crap, but sometimes it seems like a more direct, personal stab than it should. I am not writing this out of any feelings of anger or hostility, I just feel like I keep getting an earful.
Look...you are a member of an XJ club. You come here and bash XJs and then get pissed when people bash you back??? What I said to you to start this off was harsher then I intended...I'd had a hard day and your statment set me off and it shouldn't have. For that Im sorry. That being said, if you were to go to a Toyota site and bash toyotas all day long they would eat you for lunch. You should be glad that we look at you as a friend. You can't be part of a club supporting one paticular thing when you spend a good part of your time bashing that paticular thing. We have lots of other people here who do not even own XJs, they still understand where they are and respect that.

As far as the personal stab thing....in what other thread have you felt you were being picked on? Seriously I would like to know. The only other thread I can think of is when we were talking about Skyjacker stuff and I think its only fair to say that others here gave you some great advice on better parts to buy. They surely were not bashing you or singling you out.

[Brad M.]

Wow... this thread evolved. :D

[JeeperG]

Wow... this thread evolved. :D:twak:

[DaveW]

Hello, my names is Dave and I'm addicted to XJs.

[Israel]

Hello, my names is Dave and I'm addicted to XJs.

It's a serious condition, but nothing a ZJ can't fix. :D

[slider]

It's a serious condition, but nothing a ZJ can't fix. :D

boy it nice to not be the only one anymore. what all have you done to yours?

[DrMoab]

It's a serious condition, but nothing a ZJ can't fix. :D
I had a ZJ once. It was a good vehicle but I wouldn't trade it for an XJ for anything in the world.

Coil springs in the rear scare me. :D

[slider]

I had a ZJ once. It was a good vehicle but I wouldn't trade it for an XJ for anything in the world.

Coil springs in the rear scare me. :D

they don't scare me, but sometimes they do feel alittle uneasy. when the tip happens it happens fast. keep ya awake tho. :scared:

[slider]

besides that..i'm just driving the zj while i'm putting together the necessary parts to build the xj.

[DrMoab]

I was more joking then anything. If I had one thing bad to say about them it would have to be the cost of lifts and bumpers.

Of course it isn't any cheaper to lift a TJ.

[Israel]

I was more joking then anything. If I had one thing bad to say about them it would have to be the cost of lifts and bumpers.

Of course it isn't any cheaper to lift a TJ.

I have to agree about the bumpers. The only ones that look right follow the curves of the jeep and that seems to drive the cost up. Well... That or maybe they think everyone who drives a ZJ has a fat wallet.

My time wasted on the internet has revealed a cheap lift where the front coils can be swapped to the rear and some 3.5" ZJ or 4.5" coils can be used for a cheap 3.5" lift front and rear. New shocks and sway bar discos would be needed as well. As for the brake lines, they seem to be long enough for that much lift.

[DrMoab]

I have to agree about the bumpers. The only ones that look right follow the curves of the jeep and that seems to drive the cost up. Well... That or maybe they think everyone who drives a ZJ has a fat wallet.

My time wasted on the internet has revealed a cheap lift where the front coils can be swapped to the rear and some 3.5" ZJ or 4.5" coils can be used for a cheap 3.5" lift front and rear. New shocks and sway bar discos would be needed as well. As for the brake lines, they seem to be long enough for that much lift.
That isn't enough lift for my taste.

BTW what bumpers do you like? I think the best looking bumper on a XJ is the trail ready.

Unfortunatly I hate that company and wouldn't put anything they make on my rig.

[Israel]

boy it nice to not be the only one anymore. what all have you done to yours?

Most of it has been motor related since I bought it with a bad 5.2, but I've swapped in a 5.9, 3" magnaflow exhaust (cat and back), MSD coil, Accell cap and rotor, magnacore wires, flow cooler pump, 3 row radiator, bigger tranny cooler, 52mm fastman TB and I ported the stock kegger intake. I also threw on some TJ rubicon wheels and tires which rub slightly with no lift. It rides so nice right now I'm afraid to lift it so if the rubbing bothers me this weekend in Moab, I'll probably trim some more.

Of course, I haven't really wheeled it yet so I may find out exactly what you and the good Dr. are talking about with the rear coils.

Are we still off-topic? :D

[Israel]

That isn't enough lift for my taste.

BTW what bumpers do you like? I think the best looking bumper on a XJ is the trail ready.

Unfortunatly I hate that company and wouldn't put anything they make on my rig.

I've only glanced at bumpers at this point. The prices were scaring me enough that I didn't bother noting companies yet. All the ZJ guys seem to like that Kevins stuff so I might start there if I decide I have too much money. I almost wish it was more square like my XJ, because I really liked the bumper I built for it.

[slider]

i really want to do the t&t lift. but i'm trying to study to see what all i will have to do, before i buy anything. less stressfull that way.

as for bumpers...i'm gonna build my own. i have some pretty good plans. i just have to buy the steel and make it happen. i want to make them strong, but i'm gonna make them fairly light. it all just takes time. (and money)

[dirtybird]

I think the best looking bumper on a XJ is the trail ready.

Unfortunatly I hate that company and wouldn't put anything they make on my rig.

Whats with u and trail ready?
i had their front bumper on my ZJ gonna make it fit my XJ cause im too cheap to buy a new one and too lazy to build one
the thing is stout my wife rear ended an car with it the cop had to pry my plate out of her trunk lid not even a scratch on it the ladies car was crumpled perrty good though

[Israel]

...the cop had to pry my plate out of her trunk lid not even a scratch on it the ladies car was crumpled perrty good though

Damn! Thats one tough license plate! :D

[DrMoab]

Whats with u and trail ready?
i had their front bumper on my ZJ gonna make it fit my XJ cause im too cheap to buy a new one and too lazy to build one
the thing is stout my wife rear ended an car with it the cop had to pry my plate out of her trunk lid not even a scratch on it the ladies car was crumpled perrty good though
I like their bumpers. I hate the company. I think they have fixed the one issue I had with them and that was the horrible powdercoat they used to use.

I also don't like the price.

[MoabXJeeper]

i really want to do the t&t lift. but i'm trying to study to see what all i will have to do, before i buy anything. less stressfull that way.

as for bumpers...i'm gonna build my own. i have some pretty good plans. i just have to buy the steel and make it happen. i want to make them strong, but i'm gonna make them fairly light. it all just takes time. (and money)

I am running T&T arms with the subframe. The subframe does seem to add a bit of noise, my exhaust has been rattling against it ever since I put it on. It is a good setup as anyone who watched my heep before and after can tell you! :D

[slider]

I am running T&T arms with the subframe. The subframe does seem to add a bit of noise, my exhaust has been rattling against it ever since I put it on. It is a good setup as anyone who watched my heep before and after can tell you! :D

i'm very intrested in their zj system. i think that is the kit i'll go with, but i want to wait until i have the money to buy all the other stuff that comes along when replacing the whole suspension.

and we're still off topic....:D

[Brett M]

I've only glanced at bumpers at this point. The prices were scaring me enough that I didn't bother noting companies yet. All the ZJ guys seem to like that Kevins stuff so I might start there if I decide I have too much money. I almost wish it was more square like my XJ, because I really liked the bumper I built for it.


I'll vouch for Kevin's parts. He build's good products and he's a good guy to wheel with. Known him for about 5 years now and I've always been impressed with his work. He's got some pretty cool bumpers on his ZJ right now (ran into him over EJS and did some trails.) Tell him you know Brett in the white Cherokee from SLC, maybe he'll cut ya a deal ;)

[Brett M]

Oh, and wasn't this thread about Rockpile? lol

[DrMoab]

Oh, and wasn't this thread about Rockpile? lol
This is naxja...we do what we can to make sure every topic goes off topic.

[Brett M]

This is naxja...we do what we can to make sure every topic goes off topic.

Oh, okay.....well, here's me sticking my head out the window of Kevin's ZJ a few years back!

http://kevinsjeepparts.com/clubpages/clubimages/kevsimages/P1010077.jpg

[DrMoab]

You will have Slider messing his shorts. :D

[slider]

i don't know if i'd go right to messin the shorts....but i really like those sliders. :D

[Brett M]

You will have Slider messing his shorts. :D

http://www.pinion-media.com/tmp/posts/icons/motherland.gif

[Brett M]

i don't know if i'd go right to messin the shorts....but i really like those sliders. :D

I do have a buddy that just pulled his off his ZJ...not sure what he's done with him, but he might sell them. They're the same as the ones in that pic.

[slider]

would it be possable to have you check with him? i would be iterested for sure.

[Brett M]

would it be possable to have you check with him? i would be iterested for sure.

Just sent him a text ;)

[slider]

cool. :worship:

[Brett M]

Looks like he sold them already, sorry dude:(

[slider]

no prob. thanx anyway.

[DrMoab]

thread name has been appropriately changed. :D

[Brett M]

Good name change.....to continue with ZJ's, here's my friends....with sliders removed.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q118/dadilius/Offroad/safari04.jpg

[Brett M]

and then Kevin's 37's under water!

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q118/dadilius/Offroad/NDVD_010.jpg


and then me wondering if I should get a snorkle

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q118/dadilius/Offroad/NDVD_006.jpg

[slider]

that's an awsome looking jeep. if i had a better bank account mine would be somethin like that.

[DrMoab]

Was that last October by chance?

[Brett M]

that's an awsome looking jeep. if i had a better bank account mine would be somethin like that.

Money is everything....I know I need more to spend on my jeep this year. It's time to actually change the gears and lock it, along with lots of other things I'm sure.

One more pic for ya

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q118/dadilius/Offroad/JeepPaint073.jpg

[slider]

yea man....i'm diggin this thread.:guitar:

[DrMoab]

This guy is my hero. LOL
:D :D :D
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g265/DrMoab/IConTheRocks/MoabMayham066.jpg

[slider]

someday...someday....lets see what can i sell???

[DrMoab]

someday...someday....lets see what can i sell???
That dude was running Dana 60s front and rear.

he also had a heart condtion, a bad leg, wouldn't listen to his spotter and had us worried about diabetic shock the whole trip.

[DrMoab]

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g265/DrMoab/IConTheRocks/MoabMayham063.jpg

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g265/DrMoab/IConTheRocks/MoabMayham068.jpg

[DrMoab]

lets see what can i sell???
Guns?

[slider]

sound like any trip with my dad.

[DrMoab]

Oh and he couldn't see.

He wanted me to make GREAT BIG GESTURES with my hands. Thats why he wouldn't listen to my spotting LOL

[slider]

woops my post was alittle late.

and no i don't want to sell the guns. it takes toooooo long to get them paid for.

[slider]

yea i was meaning the health stuff is like any trip with my dad. and throw in a bad attitude.

[Brett M]

yea man....i'm diggin this thread.:guitar:

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q118/dadilius/Offroad/JeepPaint138.jpg

[Brett M]

Was that last October by chance?


Yep, down on Hole In the Rock....I remember you posted your pics of the Moab area and how much rain it was getting too.

[GSequoia]

I've never liked the headlamps of ZJ's myself. Particularly since they fog up so quickly.

Although I gotta say, over the past few years WJ's have been growing on me (I didn't like them at first) and I woudln't mind having one for a DD.

Spontanious off topic rock(pile)s!

[DrMoab]

I've never liked the headlamps of ZJ's myself. Particularly since they fog up so quickly.

Although I gotta say, over the past few years WJ's have been growing on me (I didn't like them at first) and I woudln't mind having one for a DD.

Spontanious off topic rock(pile)s!
If we wanted a SoCals opinion we would give it to you.

[GSequoia]

If we wanted a SoCals opinion we would give it to you.

I post where I want. Don't know why I'd worry about what a Utard thinks...

..Hell, you're all polygamists anyway, I know how it really is, I've seen Big Love.

[slider]

and what direction is this thread gonna take now?:dunno:

[DrMoab]

and what direction is this thread gonna take now?:dunno:
LOL.

I think he called you a Polygamist.

I don't think i would take that sitting down.

He is a leftist pinko commie anyway and he is scared of guns so his opinion doesn't mean much round these parts. :D

[Clint]

and what direction is this thread gonna take now?:dunno:

Blah, Blah, Blah?

[GSequoia]

and what direction is this thread gonna take now?:dunno:

I'd guess about 700 miles South West.

:gee:

[Clint]

This guy is my hero. LOL
:D :D :D
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g265/DrMoab/IConTheRocks/MoabMayham066.jpg



I rode in that thing...scary as hell.

[DrMoab]

I rode in that thing...scary as hell.
Was it the jeep? Or the driver?

[slider]

I rode in that thing...scary as hell.

thanks man..got us back on track.

[DrMoab]

thanks man..got us back on track.
What? we talking about the rock pile again? I rode that thing too. It IS scary as hell. :D

[GSequoia]

He is a leftist

Probably a bit guilty of this one...

pinko commie

I thought us commies were red comrad?

scared of guns

Nah, guns are fine. Just depends on who has them. Case in point... Remi!

:firedevil

[Clint]

Was it the jeep? Or the driver?

The Jeep. Felt like being on Utah lake in a 10ft Aluminium boat in the wind....

[DrMoab]

Nah, guns are fine. Just depends on who has them. Case in point... Remi!
Wel....can't argue with that fine point of logic can I? :D

[DrMoab]

The Jeep. Felt like being on Utah lake in a 10ft Aluminium boat in the wind....
Its the coils. Takes some getting used to. Hell my stock ZJ scared the hell out of me with the sway bar undone.

[Clint]

Its the coils. Takes some getting used to. Hell my stock ZJ scared the hell out of me with the sway bar undone.

The 8 inches of lift, 35's and no sway bars front or rear on the highway :)

[GSequoia]

Wel....can't argue with that fine point of logic can I? :D

I wonder if any of his guns have polish chickens on them?

PS - Why aren't you on IM so I can give you shit in real time? :D

[Brett M]

Wow, I go to a meeting and it gets even more nuts in here!

[Clint]

Wow, I go to a meeting and it gets even more nuts in here!

Alot of people anxious to get on the trail this weekend.

[GSequoia]

Wow, I go to a meeting and it gets even more nuts in here!

Further proof that meetings are pointless, evil things!

[Brett M]

More random stuff

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q118/dadilius/SPARTA_2.gif

[Brett M]

Further proof that meetings are pointless, evil things!


Definately are, but hey, better than actual work! :shhh:

[Brett M]

Oh, and I love mud flaps...they're sexy!

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q118/dadilius/167902023941_3300.jpg

[GSequoia]

That's the nice thing about SoCal.

You can generally got away with this:

http://events.sequoia4x4.com/d/17289-2/2006-01-17_027.jpg

[Brett M]

Ooooh, Laredo with Waggy tail lights!

[GSequoia]

And an early Wagoneer / Briarwood grill

http://events.sequoia4x4.com/d/17294-2/2006-01-17_028.jpg

21 slots baby!

[Brett M]

and it's almost your birthday as well

[GSequoia]

Just yet another Thursday. Still have to work and crap.

[DrMoab]

Doc Watson, Earl Scruggs and Ricky Skaggs.

What more in life is there.

[Brett M]

Just yet another Thursday. Still have to work and crap.


Thankfully I was off last wednesday for mine......even got a nice 22" widescreen from the finace :)

[SCW]

Doc Watson, Earl Scruggs and Ricky Skaggs.

What more in life is there.


Beatles, Zep, Jackson Browne, The Guess Who.....

No prob with Earl and Ricky, I don't know Doctor Watson but that was my knickname in college.

[Brett M]

Thankfully I was off last wednesday for mine......even got a nice 22" widescreen from the finace :)

Make that fiance

[JeeperG]

even got a nice 22" widescreen from the fiance :)Oh yeah what did ya get? I been running a Samsung 20" wide LCD for awhile now and its been great so far. Now I just need another to run dual. :D

Oh yeah and Rockpile

[Brett M]

Oh yeah what did ya get? I been running a Samsung 20" wide LCD for awhile now and its been great so far. Now I just need another to run dual. :D

Oh yeah and Rockpile

It's a 22" LG

Rockpile!

[neonrog]

Man, I get here in time to read the ZJ stuff, and now its widescreens... No matter, back to the topic, I really like my 95 ZJ, I've decided for now, that 2" boosters and 31s will be good since it is still my daily driver, but I've got a 90 Ranger that needs some attention, but there is a 86 MJ just down the street I am wondering if I am sane about, thinking I need it, so I don't mess up my DD ZJ, but the MJ is a longbed and long wheelbase so it needs to be shortened and I think a flatbed would be cool, but then I still want it shorter, so maybe I need to ditch the leaf springs and see if I can make a set of stock XJ front springs work in the rear, but I need to buy a welder and other implements of destruction, or is that construction, but I'm back to thinking about my sanity, since my wife always seems to find things to spend my Jeep money on, aw hell its Thursday, I worked 2 hours overtime today, I'm burned out and damn, I need a beer...

[Brett M]

Man, I get here in time to read the ZJ stuff, and now its widescreens... No matter, back to the topic, I really like my 95 ZJ, I've decided for now, that 2" boosters and 31s will be good since it is still my daily driver, but I've got a 90 Ranger that needs some attention, but there is a 86 MJ just down the street I am wondering if I am sane about, thinking I need it, so I don't mess up my DD ZJ, but the MJ is a longbed and long wheelbase so it needs to be shortened and I think a flatbed would be cool, but then I still want it shorter, so maybe I need to ditch the leaf springs and see if I can make a set of stock XJ front springs work in the rear, but I need to buy a welder and other implements of destruction, or is that construction, but I'm back to thinking about my sanity, since my wife always seems to find things to spend my Jeep money on, aw hell its Thursday, I worked 2 hours overtime today, I'm burned out and damn, I need a beer...


Now that's a LONG sentence!

[Cruzin Illusion]

Back to the original subject this is Rockpile now:
http://www.thexota.org/d/3828-2/100_3536.jpg

[tybo]

like the sticker

[98XJROKS]

Maybe it's the rock pile itself thats gone? I prefer the rock ledge!

[dirtybird]

I will have to get a pic of my buddys WJ we put a 8'' RK lift on it sitting on 35s it is friggin awsome we took out in Johnson valley and calico the flex was incredilble

[dirtybird]

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w213/austerbery16046/IMG_0111.jpg
8'' RK 35'' MT Claws in Johnson valley CA

[DrMoab]

Back on original topic. Me in 91-92-93...not exactly sure.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g265/DrMoab/The%20Jason%20Pics/img061.jpg

[GSequoia]

Ha ha, look at that cheerleader Jeep!

[JeeperG]

Ha ha, look at that cheerleader Jeep!haha I even have a pic of it when ryan was a hippie. LOL
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l118/JeeperG/Jeepin/drmoab.jpg

[DrMoab]

Nope that was after my hippy days.

Or maybe it was right before.

Nope it was after. I realized I could not be a hippy and drive a lifted jeep.

[mbryson]

haha I even have a pic of it when ryan was a hippie. LOL
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l118/JeeperG/Jeepin/drmoab.jpg



Hey! A girlie Jeep! Something I identify with on this board. (Brett brought me over with his kewl long arm post. It's 100% his fault.)

[Brett M]

Hey! A girlie Jeep! Something I identify with on this board. (Brett brought me over with his kewl long arm post. It's 100% his fault.)

haha It's an awesome setup Marc...bet you wish you had ran that on your XJ ;) Least your the original when it comes to your avatar on here. I see others and I keep thinking that it's you posting till I see the name.

[mbryson]

haha It's an awesome setup Marc...bet you wish you had ran that on your XJ ;) Least your the original when it comes to your avatar on here. I see others and I keep thinking that it's you posting till I see the name.


There's a post on here somewhere (a couple years ago) where someone was arguing about that being their XJ. :D BTW, that avatar is a 'Herzog' original. Adds MUCHO to the value. :D

[Brett M]

There's a post on here somewhere (a couple years ago) where someone was arguing about that being their XJ. :D BTW, that avatar is a 'Herzog' original. Adds MUCHO to the value. :D


Figured that it'd be one of his. I need to get him to make me another one sometime.....maybe the one on RME with moving sand. :looney:

[Brett M]

So, since I'm browsing around.....who's got the latest and greatest pics of Rock Pile?

[DrMoab]

So, since I'm browsing around.....who's got the latest and greatest pics of Rock Pile?
Good question. I don't think it has been run the last couple of NAXJA runs.

[DeadEyeJ]

Is that because we went to Providence?

[DrMoab]

Is that because we went to Providence?
What a Smart A$$.

No I meant the last two trips to Moab.

[XJSpencer]

How bout a video from May '06

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e389/passxj/IC%20on%20the%20Rocks/Pritchett%20Canyon/th_2006_0504005.jpg (http://s43.photobucket.com/albums/e389/passxj/IC%20on%20the%20Rocks/Pritchett%20Canyon/?action=view&current=2006_0504005.flv)

[tjmwr7]

Couch thread?http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/2260000-2260999/2260763_50_full.jpg