WTF is wrong with people

[Kejtar]

How screwed does someone have to be to get physical with a woman, especially a coworker? I could maybe see a "heat of passion" thing if there was something going on between the two, but if there is not, wtf? I wish that the society was harsher on those assholes and made them pay for it. Maybe after the first few get castrated and then hung to rot others would think twice before even considering it.

Sorry... just venting.

[WB9YZU]

How screwed does someone have to be to get physical with a woman, especially a coworker? I could maybe see a "heat of passion" thing if there was something going on between the two, but if there is not, wtf? I wish that the society was harsher on those assholes and made them pay for it. Maybe after the first few get castrated and then hung to rot others would think twice before even considering it.

Sorry... just venting.

WTF are you yacking about now? ;)
Do you have an instance? Did you beat the crap out of some deserving biatch at work and now feel remorse? :D

On a more serious note: There are very few reasons for being in anyway abusive to any co-worker, Male or Female. Heck, you have to work with them, right?
Most HR departments give you your walking papers for just looking at a Female co-worker wrong.

[Kejtar]

WTF are you yacking about now? ;)
Do you have an instance? Did you beat the crap out of some deserving biatch at work and now feel remorse? :D

On a more serious note: There are very few reasons for being in anyway abusive to any co-worker, Male or Female. Heck, you have to work with them, right?
Most HR departments give you your walking papers for just looking at a Female co-worker wrong.
A friend of mine was assualted by a coworker and as of this moment AFAIK there were no walking papers given and I think overall the company is handling things badly but that's not the point. Point I have is that no matter how much a woman pisses you off, she's off limits !

[5-90]

WTF are you yacking about now? ;)
Do you have an instance? Did you beat the crap out of some deserving biatch at work and now feel remorse? :D

On a more serious note: There are very few reasons for being in anyway abusive to any co-worker, Male or Female. Heck, you have to work with them, right?
Most HR departments give you your walking papers for just looking at a Female co-worker wrong.

Read this, if you haven't already...

http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=91073

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[WB9YZU]

A friend of mine was assualted by a coworker and as of this moment AFAIK there were no walking papers given and I think overall the company is handling things badly but that's not the point. Point I have is that no matter how much a woman pisses you off, she's off limits !

That's too bad Kejtar, She has my sympathy.

Good link 5-90. I suspected there was more to this than some raging hormones ;) ;)

Harasment in any form is not permitted in any company I have worked for in the last 25 years. But that is separate from assault. Most everywhere, regardless of sex, if you hit a co-worker, that's it, you're done - period.

This sounds different per the thread provided. It sounds like a simple verbal harasment that took a turn for the weird and for some reason, he grabbed her.
The first offense is the Harasment. In most places around here, that alone will get you fired. The grabbing bit, now unless she was actually hitting him (don't give me that 5' 2" "defenseless woman" cause there isn't one if they are in good health) he has no defense (even then, leaving the area would have worked better). It sounds like she needs to have a serious discussion with this companies HR department and discuss her fears. No one should have to be afraid to go to work.

In todays world, I do not get all chauvist about it. It is simply wrong to assault anyone without a serious physical provocation ( in otherwords, if they start it, you can finish it.).

[Kejtar]

In todays world, I do not get all chivalist about it. It is simply wrong to assault anyone without a serious physical provocation ( In otherwards, if they start it, you can finish it. ).
While I know she did not start it my take is that if a woman starts something, you walk away unless you gotta defend your life or something.

Anyways, maybe it's the booze talking but I wonder what would world be like if duels were still legal, where you could go up to the asshole and say: my seconds will discuss the time and date and choice of weapons with your seconds........

[WB9YZU]

While I know she did not start it my take is that if a woman starts something, you walk away unless you gotta defend your life or something.

Anyways, maybe it's the booze talking but I wonder what would world be like if duels were still legal, where you could go up to the asshole and say: my seconds will discuss the time and date and choice of weapons with your seconds........

Well, that's basicly what I said isn't it? By "Serious physical provocation" I don't mean a slap. There is no chivalry, it died when women demanded the "right" to fight in the military.
When women decided that they wanted to kill other people, they lost their "protected" status. If I am assualted, I will defend myself up to and including killing the other person.

That being said, and forgive me if this doesn't come out real macho; but unless I am cornered, I will not fight. And that means anyone.
Unless all other options are closed to me, and you started it, I will not strike you.

If only our nation would re-adopt that policy...

[5-90]

While I know she did not start it my take is that if a woman starts something, you walk away unless you gotta defend your life or something.

Anyways, maybe it's the booze talking but I wonder what would world be like if duels were still legal, where you could go up to the asshole and say: my seconds will discuss the time and date and choice of weapons with your seconds........

"An armed society is a polite society" R. A. Heinlein.

I'd like to see duels still legal - perhaps then, we'd see people treating each other a bit better. I sometimes think I more properly belong in an era where men still called each other "sir" when they were planning to shoot to kill in five minutes or so...

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[DesertYJ]

That being said, and forgive me if this doesn't come out real macho; but unless I am cornered, I will not fight. And that means anyone.
Unless all other options are closed to me, and you started it, I will not strike you.

If only our nation would re-adopt that policy...:bs:

Have you been sleeping??? "Our Nation" was hit, and "they" did start it.
Time to wake up!

"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must...undergo the fatigues of supporting it."
--Thomas Paine--

[Menzenski]

If only our nation would re-adopt that policy...Have you been sleeping??? "Our Nation" was hit, and "they" did start it.
Time to wake up!
Let's not get into that debate here. That deserves its own thread.

[RichP]

In todays world, I do not get all chauvist about it. It is simply wrong to assault anyone without a serious physical provocation ( in otherwords, if they start it, you can finish it.).

Thats not quite true, in the school systems they teach the 'sheep' principal, BOTH participants get the same punishment so you get punished for starting and you get punished for defending yourself. When two kids jumped my son in 5th or 6th grade, he beat the snot out of both, they suspended him too. So I took 3 days off and we did fun stuff, I rewarded him for it, screw the system.

[WB9YZU]

Originally Posted by Zuki-Ron
In todays world, I do not get all chauvist about it. It is simply wrong to assault anyone without a serious physical provocation ( in otherwords, if they start it, you can finish it.).
Thats not quite true, in the school systems they teach the 'sheep' principal, BOTH participants get the same punishment so you get punished for starting and you get punished for defending yourself. When two kids jumped my son in 5th or 6th grade, he beat the snot out of both, they suspended him too. So I took 3 days off and we did fun stuff, I rewarded him for it, screw the system.

The keys here Rich is "Serious physical provocation" and options.

"Jumped" implies suprise. Sometimes carefull attention to detail will avoid an incident or delay it long enough to find another solution. I suspect there were many indicators before this provocation, all of which your son was perfectly aware of before the fight.

The schools appoach of "non-violence, zero tollerance" is one of neccessity. If one of the other boys would have gotten injured durring the scuffle while on school grounds, there may have been a suit. Schools around here actually teach something like anger management to students. Kind of interesting...

Don't get me wrong here. I am not even implying that your reaction to the fight was wrong. The canons that we were taught as a kids still apply today.

[Kejtar]

Thats not quite true, in the school systems they teach the 'sheep' principal, BOTH participants get the same punishment so you get punished for starting and you get punished for defending yourself. When two kids jumped my son in 5th or 6th grade, he beat the snot out of both, they suspended him too. So I took 3 days off and we did fun stuff, I rewarded him for it, screw the system.
Yeah.. no kidding same thing happened to me. I moved here in 9th grade. I was rather suprised that after being attacked at school and standing up for myself and making the other guy suffer ;) I got suspended even though they knew I was only defending myself. To this day I can't figure out what are they trying to achieve through that.

[Kejtar]

The schools appoach of "non-violence, zero tollerance" is one of neccessity. If one of the other boys would have gotten injured durring the scuffle while on school grounds, there may have been a suit. Schools around here actually teach something like anger management to students. Kind of interesting...

In my book, school is responsible either way because they were not there to prevent the fight in the first place. If authorities are not there to prevent a fight all the time, they should not penalize those who defend themselves.
Sadly this extends further then the schools. There is noone out there that is meant to protect you: not even cops. Now while I can see why that is so (practicality and so on), I think individuals should have more ability to defend themselves without having to worry about future civil lawsuits (especially in Cali)

[5-90]

In my book, school is responsible either way because they were not there to prevent the fight in the first place. If authorities are not there to prevent a fight all the time, they should not penalize those who defend themselves.
Sadly this extends further then the schools. There is noone out there that is meant to protect you: not even cops. Now while I can see why that is so (practicality and so on), I think individuals should have more ability to defend themselves without having to worry about future civil lawsuits (especially in Cali)

The idea that cops aren't going to defend you goes back to the creation of "sheriff" in English Common Law - say, 400 years or so.

The only one with any legal or moral duty to protect you is YOU, since you're there all the time. No-one else. Once married, a man can assume a duty to his wife and kids (I did - mainly by teaching them to handle themselves,) but that's still a MORAL duty, and we have seen just how much moral bearing the law has these days.

I'll grant that you're taking a bigger risk going after my wife than going after me (I'll just hurt you for going after me. Go after my wife, SHE will kick your arse, then tell me about it and I'LL hunt you down like the dog you shouldn't be compared to...) but I'm not with her all the time - much as I'd like to be - so I've spent a good deal of time teaching her to fight dirty. Besides, at 5'2", it's a lot easier for her to get away with pulling some kid's balls off than for me to...

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[OT]

Women schwimmin'.
I think it should be all about the weight.
If the lady weighs within 30lbs (either way) of the guy, it should be awwwn.