need help/advice

[Kejtar]

OK, here's the scoop. A very good friend of mine got physically assaulted at work last night by another employee. She did the police report thing and is taking care of the official side, but she is more then just a little bit freaked out. What is available out there to give her a peace of mind? I just called to look into tasers cause she expressed interest in those, but she doesn't have the $ to drop on one (never expected that they could be about $1K). Anyways, what else is out there? Is there a more potent pepper spray or something? Oh yeah and it has to be CA legal.

Oh yeah, to those who will suggest a gun, I don't think gun is an option for her for couple reasons:
1. 10 day wait
2. She wouldn't be able to carry it with her all the time until she got a permit for that, and it's a lengthy process here in CA.

Anyone else had to deal with a similar situation? know of a similar situation? What was the solution? I know she will have to come to terms with it, but when I talked to her a few minutes ago, she mentioned that she might be interested in something defensive.

[imma honky]

ass baton?
They are compact.
Flick of the wrist and POW.

[Kejtar]

ass baton?
They are compact.
Flick of the wrist and POW.
Hmmm.... I'll mention that to her but I don't think that would work. She's just not a physical person.

[imma honky]

Hmmm.... I'll mention that to her but I don't think that would work. She's just not a physical person.
Have her go to a gun store or outdoors store and "try one".
It does most of the work. All she would have to do is swing for the knees.
My brother has one and popped me i nthe leg with it "lightly".
I limped around the rest of the day.

[jml1911a1]

If I were her, I'd at least get started on the gun thing--or move the heck out of the People's Republik of Kalifornia.

Maybe some defense classes: Good fitness, builds confidence.

Pepper spray might be her only option if she's not "physical".

[GSequoia]

Pepper / Mace (not sure hte laws on mace availability).

And quit hiring thugs!

[XJSpencer]

Are stun guns not legal anymore?

[HaleYes]

$1000 ???
http://www.safetygearhq.com/talon.htm


http://www.safetygearhq.com/runt350.htm

[85Chief]

http://www.galls.com/category2.html?assort=general_catalog&cat=3031

I've been hit with the Fox and Sabre once each and both of those will have a great affect on someone. It sounds like she is wanting something that will protect her long enough to get help. This will do the trick. A taser gun is great to knock someone on their feet, but after the subject is hit, he regains all motion and could possible attack again.

Her best bet (and cheapest) would get a can of that pepper spray. Regular mace wouldn't have as much of an affect on someone. The spray would allow her enough time to get away from the attacker to get help.

[5-90]

Assaulted how, exactly? "Physically assaulted" leaves a lot of ground open...

There are counters for most variations on "physical assault" that work well and are natural motions, and largely depend upon the fact that there are VERY few exceptions to the following rule - "The average indivudial is only capable of entertaining one train of thought at a time, and pain is an overriding train." They take rather little energy, and have great effect. COL Rex Applegate (ret) (dec) came up with quite a few of them for the OSS, and I think they can be found in the public domain (start by Googling Col. Rex's name, and he's got a few books out, posthumously.)

While devices are nice and useful (I keep several handy, and I like the ASP baton and the Manriki Chain...) I also like having something that is always with me, that can't be taken away, and will work as long as I am at least semi-conscious and have one arm or leg free...

5-90

[Gil BullyKatz]

ass baton?
They are compact.
Flick of the wrist and POW.


Maybe you've experienced an "ass baton"...

This on the other hand...

http://www.policelot.com/photos/Low%20res%20pics/ASP.JPG

is an ASP...

Have your frend carry some police spec pepper spray...

and find a local Kali/Escrima instructor...

[Kejtar]

$1000 ???
http://www.safetygearhq.com/talon.htm


http://www.safetygearhq.com/runt350.htm
Wow, thanks, I've made a mistake of calling my gun shop and asking about those and they must have quoted probably something that could take down an elephant. I have never had the need to even look into it so I'm kind of stumbling.

[Kejtar]

Assaulted how, exactly? "Physically assaulted" leaves a lot of ground open...

Details are as follows: the assailant (coworker) walked into her office, started talking about something that made her uncomfortable (raised a topic that was touchy for her) and she asked him to leave and louder asked him to leave and then was heard screeming "you're hurting me". She has 3 big bruises on one of the arms where he grabbed her.....


There are counters for most variations on "physical assault" that work well and are natural motions, and largely depend upon the fact that there are VERY few exceptions to the following rule - "The average indivudial is only capable of entertaining one train of thought at a time, and pain is an overriding train." They take rather little energy, and have great effect. COL Rex Applegate (ret) (dec) came up with quite a few of them for the OSS, and I think they can be found in the public domain (start by Googling Col. Rex's name, and he's got a few books out, posthumously.)

While devices are nice and useful (I keep several handy, and I like the ASP baton and the Manriki Chain...) I also like having something that is always with me, that can't be taken away, and will work as long as I am at least semi-conscious and have one arm or leg free...

5-90
I agree with you that self defense is the best option but believe me: she is not the person that would be able to do anything.

[DrMoab]

Are stun guns not legal anymore?
They are in California...nothing is legal there.

[Kejtar]

They are in California...nothing is legal there.
Dude... state is so messed up, company's is so messed up..... From what's been going on, I'm thinking about paying that guy a visit: he's trying to say she assaulted him and he was defending himself. He's 6'3" and he's big while she's about 5'2" and she's extremely skinny (looks almost anorexic, except that's just how she is).

[5-90]

Kali/Escrima is pretty good, but I've noted that women tend to respond rather better to Judo or Aikido, since they don't depend as much on upper body strength, and can therefore maximise the female musculature (which is from the ribcage down - vice the waistline up, for men.)

Also, learning a little Judo or Aikido will give you more open responses, and allow you to use your enemy's power and weight against him - you get less tired fighting, since you end up with the bad buy beating himself up (you're just helping...) Kali and Escrima are both good arts, but are more interested in strikes, while Judo and Aikido are about leverage and redirection.

5-90

[cjwalkeriii]

pay for my ticket out there and I would be happy to take care of him, as i am sure most of us would be. glock 40 =$450.00, price of one of your jeepin buddies kickin the hell outta the guy =priceless

[5-90]

Airline ticket, Hell! I'm 6'3", 250#, and I'd be happy to drive down there and give him a seeing-to myself. Cost? Gas money and a "get out of jail, free" card.

Should be easier, since I'm not going to bring any hardware (save, maybe, a football bat...)

Considering my wife is also 5'2", and I've been taking here to H2H finishing school (she was SCPD for a year or so, before she blew her right ACL,) I might be able to instruct her somewhat - but I would suggest that she put on a little weight (and mostly muscle at that. She'll need to build legs and lower body, as well as grip and forearm strength.)

5-90

[Ramsey]

football bat?

just how effective is something like THIS (http://www.safetygearhq.com/talon.htm) My mom lives alone and travels by herself and it wouldnt hurt for her to have something. A few years back a buddy of mine had one, no idea how many volts, and he snuck up on me and hit me in the back of the knee with it. It wasnt all that bad really, definetly not enough to stop someone, granted it got my attention.

[5-90]

football bat?

just how effective is something like THIS (http://www.safetygearhq.com/talon.htm) My mom lives alone and travels by herself and it wouldnt hurt for her to have something. A few years back a buddy of mine had one, no idea how many volts, and he snuck up on me and hit me in the back of the knee with it. It wasnt all that bad really, definetly not enough to stop someone, granted it got my attention.

Yeh - a football bat. It's like a baseball bat, only worse. It usually head cleats, nails, and other stuff embedded in it (if used properly, it also gets bits of bone and hair embedded as well...)

Nothing against stun guns - but not much works against some PCP freak, just so you know. However, it's important to get a stun gun with a "deadman switch" in case it gets taken away from you - the wrist lanyard will have a small pin on it that closes a circuit internally - if the thing gets pulled out of your hand (and you've got the lanyard around your wrist...) the pin gets pulled, and the "damn thing won't start." One should always plan for breaking weapon retention - and have a backup (say, a pen-size CS cannister. Don't use it as a "first option" - the stun gun or a Taser is better, but you can use the CS or OC while the bad guy is trying to figure out why the electronics aren't working.)

Try Googling "Force Continuum," and let me know if you can't find anything. Learn it, live it, and make sure that anyone who is going to learn to use force also does so - not only may it save your life in a fight, it can save your arse in court. It's also worthwhile to learn the overt signs of drug influence - being able to recognise these things allows one to make more effective use of the force continuum...

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[Beej]

x2 on the leverage and redirection. The self defense course I teach at the hospital is based on brazilian jiu-jitsu, aikido and muay thai. At the end of the course, every participant must be able to defend themselves against myself or my fellow instructors attacking them hard. We don't pull punches. We have plenty of female staff members in the 90-120lb range who throw us on our asses. If she works at training in something based on leverage and redirection it will work in a couple of ways. She will regain confidence in situations like the one above and will have some tools to defend herself to the point that she can 'run with pride'...

[Kejtar]

Thanks guys, I talked with her on the phone today and I'll be meeting up with her tomorrow. All I can say is that I can't even believe to imagine what she's going through as while she's trying to put up a brave front I can hear it in her voice that she's freaked out (I've known her for close to 12 years now). Anyways, she is weighing her options and thinking about all of them. I don't want to push her into anything because as days slowly pass, the thought of weapons does start to freak her out a bit. Anyways, I'll sit down with her tomorrow and talk and maybe even take her to a range.

[Rev Den]

Try this.
http://www.tbotech.com/pepperfoam.htm

The foam tends to help blind and confuse the attacker so you can make an escape. It is not perfect, but it is something.

Rev

[Lincoln]

Just making sure I'm on this thread. I'll reply later, I need to leave right now.

Pay this guy a visit if you can. Ketchup you don't really seem to have that mean "I want to kill you" look so take someone along that does. Turn the tables and make him feeled threatened.

[RichP]

Go plant some dope in his car and make an anonymous tip....or some child porn.

[RNMedic]

Civilian tazer is 300 bucks.

[yardape]

As ususal RichP has the answer,... the questions is, What does she want the most? Vengeance? To protect herself from future threats? Why hasn't she reported the incident to the police? Are there bruises? She needs to do this if for no other reason than to create a record. This guy and the company he works for needs to know that his behavior is being watched.

I have a female friend who got beat up pretty good by an ex-boyfriend. It was not justified in any way shape or form. On the other hand, if there was any woman who could bring that kind of behavior out in a man predisposed to that kind of behavior, it was her. How did this event come about?

Second, vengeance. Rich P's planting dope in his car is a good one,... Accidents do happen. Sometimes hoods fly open while driving down the highway if not closed all the way. Auto mechanics need to be careful.

Let us know about your meeting with this lady.

[Kejtar]

As ususal RichP has the answer,... the questions is, What does she want the most? Vengeance? To protect herself from future threats?
She's just after peace of mind for the most part.

Why hasn't she reported the incident to the police? Are there bruises? She needs to do this if for no other reason than to create a record. This guy and the company he works for needs to know that his behavior is being watched.
Incident was reported immediately to the cops and that end is going oddly to say the least. I'm keeping a close eye on it as the company doesn't seem to be handling things right, but that's a differet topic altogether.

I have a female friend who got beat up pretty good by an ex-boyfriend. It was not justified in any way shape or form. On the other hand, if there was any woman who could bring that kind of behavior out in a man predisposed to that kind of behavior, it was her. How did this event come about?

Details are as follows: the assailant (coworker) walked into her office, started talking about something that made her uncomfortable (raised a topic that was touchy for her) and she asked him to leave and louder asked him to leave and then was heard screeming "you're hurting me". She has 3 big bruises on one of the arms where he grabbed her.....



Second, vengeance. Rich P's planting dope in his car is a good one,... Accidents do happen. Sometimes hoods fly open while driving down the highway if not closed all the way. Auto mechanics need to be careful.

Hmm them latches do pop open on their own every so often :D


Let us know about your meeting with this lady.
Will do.