Chinaman Gulch Run: SATURDAY, APRIL 21st

[planefixer]

Its almost time for the CO Chapter annual, unofficial, post-winter shake-down run on Chinaman Gulch.I'm thinking of doing it the second (14th or 15th) or third (21st or 22nd) weekend of April.Saturday the 14th or 21st is preferrable- that way there's a day to chill before going back to work.I would plan it sooner but some people are still building/modifying their rigs.Anyone interested chime in with your thoughts.

[Seiler]

I'm down for going. Jeep should be good to go by then.

Just don't let Frank Z know... He'll make sure everyone in Colorado is there. Just like our last CMG run. :roflmao:

Scott

[freerider15]

I'de be down, just try and figure out a date as soon as ya can, that way i can request it off.

[planefixer]

everyone in Colorado is there. Just like our last CMG run. :roflmao:

Scott
We had 22 rigs on the trail that day.:looney:

I'm only posting this here on NAXJA- not going to post it on CO4x4.;)


note: nothing against the CO4x4 gang- just trying to keep it from getting too crowded.

[frebius]

Sounds good to me.... I had a good time at the last OCG when Frank invited Colorado.

[Rockken]

I should be all ready to go by then. I might be in as well, depending on the date.

[Seiler]

We had 22 rigs on the trail that day.:looney:

I'm only posting this here on NAXJA- not going to post it on CO4x4.;)


note: nothing against the CO4x4 gang- just trying to keep it from getting too crowded.

Was still an awesome day. Not complaining at all. Just seemed funny because everyone mentioned that had been one of the biggest groups in a while.

Need 2 more parts and I should be good to go. Will have them by april.

Scott

[ELBORRACHO]

im down to go

[Frank Z]

You guy's might want to keep an eye on the following thread.....
http://www.colorado4x4.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=87632

[planefixer]

You guy's might want to keep an eye on the following thread.....
http://www.colorado4x4.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=87632

Thanks Frank, I hadn't paid much attention to that thread.:thumbup:

I guess we'll do our run on the weekend they're not-as soon as they get a date set.:rof:

[Fred]

They are all a bunch of old farts, they'll forget about it.

Wait, what was I talking about?

I'm for the later date. Taxes, yard work, Jeep work, it's just getting light enough and warm enough for me to do stuff after work.

Fred

[GrayT]

I'll be there! :scottm:

[philip_g]

Gotta work. Sucky.

[Powerman]

I have to work on the 14-15th, but I can and will make it if it is on the 21st Last year was a lot of fun. I haven't done anything this winter so I am ready to hit it!

[tonesxj]

I will be there either way, looking forward to it.

Jeff, I'll also be down your way Monday, I'll call you.

[formatt]

If my rig is ready, you know I'm in! SYE and wheels & tires are all that's left.

Camping again the night before? Last year, waking up that next morning was R O U G H ! ! !

[tonesxj]

If my rig is ready, you know I'm in! SYE and wheels & tires are all that's left.

Camping again the night before? Last year, waking up that next morning was R O U G H ! ! !


You know it! That was a looong day..:wierd:


Your rig will be ready! :guitar:

[planefixer]

Camping again the night before? Last year, waking up that next morning was R O U G H ! ! !

That was all part of the fun..... except for the damn wind.:D

[formatt]

nah.. that wind was part of the fun too... coming back to that mess? At the time it wasn't so fun but looking back on it, it was a riot.

[signman2007]

Don't know how tough it is I haven't run the CMG trail yet. Don't have lockers but do have 4.5" Rusty's lift, jks quicker discos, custom bumpers, (possibly winch by then) 31 x 11.5 x 15 SS TSL's, and pretty sure lot's of help from all who attend if things get tricky, so if you think that'll do I'm definatly in. I do like to include my wife and two kids if that's okay also??? They love to wheel and camp as much as me!! Would also love to hook up with a club to start meeting people with the same intrest,just don't know which one. I live in Longmont, any suggestions....:patriot: Sember Fi Devil Dogs!!!

[Kittrell]

You'll do okay on that setup. Chris got through with his last year, I think he had 3"s and 31s? I'm sure he'll chime in and let you know how it was. And yes, you are more then welcome to bring your family along for the ride.

[planefixer]

You'll do okay on that setup. Chris got through with his last year, I think he had 3"s and 31s? I'm sure he'll chime in and let you know how it was. And yes, you are more then welcome to bring your family along for the ride.

Are you going to make it out for your once a year run????:D

[signman2007]

Sweet, thanks for the return! I'll be looking forward to it.:thumbup: You'll do okay on that setup. Chris got through with his last year, I think he had 3"s and 31s? I'm sure he'll chime in and let you know how it was. And yes, you are more then welcome to bring your family along for the ride.

[signman2007]

And for that last entry that was a major misspelling on my part as i am a former MARINE, i must have gotten ahead of myself. It supposed to be

SEMPER FI DO OR DIE...ALWAYS FAITHFUL!:patriot:

HOPE TO SEE YOU GUYS ON THE TRAIL.....

[riverfever]

I did go through that trail last year with 3" and 31's and it was my first time off road. There are bypasses around all the difficult obstacles. I have run that trail one other time since then and was able to take 2 more difficult lines which was really fun. It's very laidback and I brought along my soon to be wife. You'll be fine with your setup. If I'm not chasing trout that weekend, I'll be there again but we'll see. I plan on hittin' the water hard this year now that I'm finally healthy again (at least physically).

[frankenstang57]

Sounds like fun. If nothing comes up at work I'll give it a whirl. If anyone is intrested, I'll probably have room on the trailer for one rig and room in the cab for 2.

[Kittrell]

Are you going to make it out for your once a year run????:D

Not sure, bunch of unfortunate family business as of late. We'll see.

[CODevilDog]

Has a solid date been set for this run?

[planefixer]

Saturday, April 21st ......Lets do it.:guitar: :thumbup: :thumbup:


This gives everyone 5 1/2 weeks to finish thrashing on your junk.

[Powerman]

Sweet! I'm in.

[signman2007]

That sounds good. Is this going to be a camping trip as well? Either way I'm in. My wife and I have never run with a group of people so this will be a blast for us. I will definatly enjoy meeting some of you guys out there to make new friends that finally have the same intrest as me!!!

[jrsxj98]

Marking it down....you know me, I wont know until that week

[Teellandor]

I think I may actually be able to make this one (with the XJ, mind you; not the Beast).

[signman2007]

Where is the meeting area? Is this going to be a day run or a camping trip?

[planefixer]

Where is the meeting area? Is this going to be a day run or a camping trip?

Day run AFAIK.We'll meet up at Gunsmoke and then head to the trailhead.

Want to be on the trail by 9:30-10:00 ish.

[Rockken]

Is there parking close to the trail head for my truck and trailer? I'm in as well, unless I'm still working on my junk.

[YELLAHEEP]

Yep, huge parking area. Usually the biggest obstacle is the long dirt access road at the gate. If it's been wet, it's usually very gooey and rutted and can make pulling a trailer to the parking area a bit interesting. The access road is bordered by fence and it get's kinda narrow close to the parking area. If it's real bad, there's another place to park right off the highway - or park at the big truck stop a short distance away.

[dabeersboys]

I would like to do it, but I got a 3in lift with 30 in tires. How do you think I'll manage?
-Matt

[Teellandor]

I would like to do it, but I got a 3in lift with 30 in tires. How do you think I'll manage?
-Matt
Good question ... how about 4.5" on 31s while we're asking?

[frankenstang57]

I'm in. Wanna go Matt? You'll be just fine...

[Teellandor]

... at least now I'm sure to have a good spotter. I'll have the t-case and tire situation dealt with by then.

[jragan]

Count me in. I have it on the Calendar.

[dabeersboys]

:wstupid: I should be able to go. If things go bad I'll just sell my body for a few nights to take care of gas. Any takers? Josh? Whats the count as of now for people planning on going?
Also any one from the springs want to caravan up? Could be pretty cool.
-Matt

[signman2007]

Anyone know how long it takes to get there from Longmont so I can plan when to leave?

[tonesxj]

Anyone know how long it takes to get there from Longmont so I can plan when to leave?

Give yourself 3 1/2 hours. It's about 180 miles or so from Longmont.

[dbswede]

chinamens isnt that tough. One of the guys in my group did it in a stock Forrunner (it was pretty funny, he did have some.
damage).....the guys with trailers should try carnage canyon. I may try to make it so I can meet some of the naxja people...I get to go to moab on the 12th to mt.bike and 4 wheel.
dbswede

[jragan]

:wstupid: I should be able to go. If things go bad I'll just sell my body for a few nights to take care of gas. Any takers? Josh? Whats the count as of now for people planning on going?
Also any one from the springs want to caravan up? Could be pretty cool.
-Matt

HA! HA! Your body has to be worth something to sell it. :doh:

"I'm with stupid", sure I will remember that next time you ran out of gas or need a strap on the trail :moon:

[Seiler]

It's looking better each day for my chance to go.

Got the the new trac bar on today. Yum

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c78/xj2/newtracbarsteering.jpg

Hey Troy,

When DJ actually went last year and I rode with him... What was the route you guys took? I've been taking 285 and the other one seemed more enjoyable.

Thanks

Scott

[frankenstang57]

I google mapped it from L-Land and it was only 169 miles. 2hrs and some change, not in my tow rig!

[planefixer]

Also any one from the springs want to caravan up? Could be pretty cool.
-Matt

We usually meet up in the parking lot of the KFC on 31st & Colorado.

[dabeersboys]

Sweet that works.

[jdogg4]

If I can make it lets get a northern CO group to drive down togather. Thats code for I don't want to get lost.

[old_man]

I'm hoping to make it if I don't break anything major in Moab next week.:wave1:

[jdogg4]

so if we leave up north we would need to leave around 6:30 ish to play it save to leave or hit the trail by 9:30 or 10 right. Looks like two from Greeley area and two or so from loveland maybe? Could meet at that park and ride on 402 south loveland exit.

[frankenstang57]

We could do that. Still debating on whether or not to bring the trailer. Be really handy to have if something happens... Matt's never run his with the lift yet. I'm thinking about leaving the night before just to make it easier in my daughter. Nothing concrete as of yet.

[old_man]

If I remember it took 3+ hours to get there from Loveland.

[planefixer]

If the weather is nice I plan on heading up Friday evening and camping at Ruby Mountain Campground- might stay Saturday night as well.

[jdogg4]

If I remember it took 3+ hours to get there from Loveland.

O wow I'm going to have to get up early to go wheeling? nuts well thats still not as early as I get up for work so I guess thats still sleeping in right.

Got any good directions down there from loveland area.

[dabeersboys]

So whats the count for total people? I told jragan that I'm REALLY excited about this. I had a blast getting into wheeling last year and its stuck with me!!! It will be good to meat some of the people who own the xjs I see around town.:D
-Matt

[Teellandor]

We could do that. Still debating on whether or not to bring the trailer. Be really handy to have if something happens... Matt's never run his with the lift yet. I'm thinking about leaving the night before just to make it easier in my daughter. Nothing concrete as of yet.
I may have the Chevy back on the road by then, Dave. If you don't take your trailer, I may borrow one of Rich's. For some reason I have an idea that with my luck, something will happen where I need a trailer.

[frankenstang57]

You split the gas $$$ and don't mind riding with a 2 year old then it's a done deal for the trailer...

[Teellandor]

Sounds amicable.

[YELLAHEEP]

XJ2 - Sorry, just saw your question after passing over it a couple times.....

I like to take 25 to the 'Springs and take the Cimmaron/Hwy 24 exit. Take 24 all the way to where it junctions with 285 then take that into BV. Less hills to climb with the truck/trailer, that's why I like that route.

I'm gonna try to make this run..... pretty sad that the last time I ran it, the Heep had the flop damage - and it may not have changed one bit for this run either.....

[freerider15]

I plan on making this run, though Im not sure how much longer im going to be wheeling the Jeep before I start the major teardown :D. Haven't done Chinamans since I've been back in Colorado, so about damn time I do it. I really would like to hit up Carnage BV and Indy as well while im still on Turdy Five's...

[MMIXJ]

i should be there...

thanks to terry for the new UCA bushings i'm clunk-free. :cheers:

still need to track down a vacuum leak, fix an electrical bug in the turn signals, and a few other misc things, but am looking forward to hitting the trail again.

P.S.
as i rolled into the driveway tonight, the odometer finally hit 70,000! ;)

[arnold]

We usually meet up in the parking lot of the KFC on 31st & Colorado.

What time? 6:30 - 7:00ish? Just curious. I'm new to wheeling in CO, I'm a relocated east coaster (Tellico, Paragon) and would like to tag along if I can get away for the day. I would like to caravan also since I'm not familiar with the Buena Vista area yet.

Wes.

[planefixer]

What time? 6:30 - 7:00ish? Just curious. I'm new to wheeling in CO, I'm a relocated east coaster (Tellico, Paragon) and would like to tag along if I can get away for the day. I would like to caravan also since I'm not familiar with the Buena Vista area yet.

Wes.

I would be there by no later than 7:00 a.m. Its roughly a 2 hour drive to the trailhead.

[Frank Z]

27 so far.

[planefixer]

27 so far.


:eek: Gonna be a lllooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggg day.:D

[freerider15]

Just out of curiosity, would anyone be interested in maybe running Carnage while others run Chinaman's. I've been wanting to run Carnage now for some time, just haven't gotten around to it and think its about damn time :D.

Damn, nevermind...just remembered Im working that Saturday...But I might try and see if anyone will take my shift.

[Led]

Just out of curiosity, would anyone be interested in maybe running Carnage while others run Chinaman's. I've been wanting to run Carnage now for some time, just haven't gotten around to it and think its about damn time :D.

Damn, nevermind...just remembered Im working that Saturday...But I might try and see if anyone will take my shift.
If the truggy is up and running i will

[planefixer]

I think we may need to split into 2 groups.Give the first group 30-45 minute head start just so things aren't so jammed-up on the trail.:dunno:

[MMIXJ]

I think we may need to split into 2 groups.Give the first group 30-45 minute head start just so things aren't so jammed-up on the trail.:dunno:
let us know... haven't decided if i'm driving up that morning or camping out the night before, but if the former it would be good to have the extra time.

[jdogg4]

I think we may need to split into 2 groups.Give the first group 30-45 minute head start just so things aren't so jammed-up on the trail.:dunno:

that might be better for us folks up north incase we are running late.

[Teellandor]

that might be better for us folks up north incase we are running late.
I'd second that, but I think I and my rig are still going down the night before on a trailer.

[frankenstang57]

Right you are! So you will be down with all that early-morning goodness. I know I will be since I'm going back to days! Remeber, we're coming home Sat. night, so early is better. Mental wanted to help on that other thing. I told him what we were doing. Any intrest in a rider? I'm sure we can corrupt him... :) We could potentially do both trails.... Is Tom coming? I spoke to Signman a few days ago and he said it was most likely a go for him.

[old_man]

Not for sure that I am comming. I am trying to finish the trailer and rework the rear springs on the XJ. If I finish in time, I hope to be there. I may drive up the night before and sleep in the Explorer.

[dabeersboys]

Hey guys,
It looks like I'm going to have to back out, I may ride up with jragan if he is still going. my jeeps acting up and I'm not having any luck. heres the post if any of you guys have ideas I could really use the advice.:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
-Matt
http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=914605

[YELLAHEEP]

Me too. I'm not gonna make it. Too much going on, not enough money. I'll spend the weekend working on the Heep rather than 'wheeling it - that's almost as good huh? I'm gonna need every minute I can to get it ready for Moab anyway.

[Seiler]

Im out.

Too many people, not enough money for gas.

Have fun,

Scott

[MMIXJ]

who all is planning to camp out friday night? i've got to p/u some things in co springs friday afternoon, so will likely head over that evening...

anyone else? whereabouts?

[Frank Z]

FYI, I saw this thread over at Colorado4x4.org. Seems the trail has been attacked by rock stackers. The folks that posted the pics found the trail in this condition. Damn trail is practically paved now. Take a look at the pics of the V-notch and the entrance to the rockpile.
http://www.colorado4x4.org/vbb/showthread.php?p=759297#post759297

[Teellandor]

Still up for it Dave. No I don't mind a rider. Phil and his son still haven't got back to me on whether he'll let the boy go, either.

[freerider15]

Im out, can't afford to miss the money from work, and I'm going to hit up Carnage Boulder Sunday anyways.

[jdogg4]

I'm out family stuff for that weekend I wasn't told about.

[The_Rock]

I'm in. What time are we meeting at the trail head?

[old_man]

I'm out. Got three different people coming to see if they want to buy my tow dolly. I also have a few things to do to get ready for Moab in a couple of weeks.

[planefixer]

I'm in. What time are we meeting at the trail head?

Be at the KFC on 31st and Colorado by 7:00ish or at the trailhead by 9:00-9:30

Weather Forecast for BV Saturday
50% chance of rain, highs mid 40s - mid 50s.It could get a little sloppy.

[frankenstang57]

We're staying in Fairplay on Fri. night. We'll meet you guys at the trailhead. Is there parking for a 40' trailer or do we need to stash the truck elsewhere?

[planefixer]

We're staying in Fairplay on Fri. night. We'll meet you guys at the trailhead. Is there parking for a 40' trailer or do we need to stash the truck elsewhere?


There's room for the trailer at the parking area for the trailhead.Swinging that 40' trailer through the entrance gate might be a little tight though.

[MMIXJ]

anybody heading down 285 from denver/golden area? meet at the fort?

i'm about 75% in, as my wife seems to have picked up the flu bug we've been trying to avoid all week from our kids. guess i'll have to play it by ear in the morning.

jeff, what was the final word on the later start time-- still planning on splitting in two groups?

[planefixer]

jeff, what was the final word on the later start time-- still planning on splitting in two groups?

If we have 20 rigs or less we'll be ok as 1 group- we can still finish the trail by 5-6pm (maybe sooner) if we dont screw around too much and if there isn't too much "other" traffic.If we have more than that then we'll split into 2 groups and try to get the first group rolling by 9:30-10:00 and start the second group 10:30-11:00.If we do split ,I plan on leading the 2nd group so if any body wants to step up and lead the first group feel free to do so.We'll have a few newbies/trail rookies with us so they'll need a little guidance and our patience occasionaly.My main goal is for everyone to have a good time and a safe run :party: .

[Rockken]

I'm out as well. I've got a bit more work to do to the jeep tomorrow. I would like to hit Carnage Boulder on Sunday. Freerider15, what time are you going to be at the trail head?

[GRN_MTN_XJ]

anybody heading down 285 from denver/golden area? meet at the fort?

I'll be heading down from Golden as soon as I figure out how to get there. Never been down that way before. Anybody else in for a little caravan action? That group comin from up north a bit feel like swinging through and meeting me somewhere so I can join the gang?

[tonesxj]

I'll be heading down from Golden as soon as I figure out how to get there. Never been down that way before. Anybody else in for a little caravan action? That group comin from up north a bit feel like swinging through and meeting me somewhere so I can join the gang?

I am out tomorrow.. Got some work to do and blah blah blah.. :thumbdn:
Bri- pm me if you need directions, otherwise you could probably meet a crew down by 285 and c-470 or something.

Have fun guys!


Jeff, see you next week.

[planefixer]

Looks like about 15-17 rigs, not too bad.I'll see you guys in the morning. :sunshine: :thumbup:

[Fred]

I'm out. I've been planning on Zac and myself making this run for awhile. However. His music teacher changed his lesson day from Thursday evening to Saturday afternoon just recently. I didn't make the connection until yesterday.
Zac was really looking forward to it, so I don't want to go without him. He can't miss his lesson because he will be auditioning to move from the Vivace group to the Encore group in the Colorado Springs Youth Symphony soon. He doesn't work real hard at school but he does work at music. It's a great program if your kid is into music. The most basic level players in the program sound better than the average high school orchestra.

Anyway, I'm going to start another thread for going wheeling on Sunday up old stage road, Mt. Baldy, or Eagle Rock, or whatever.

Fred

[MMIXJ]

yo grn,

wanna meet at the fort at 8:am? PM your cell number if interested, as i won't know i'm going 100% until morning, so wouldn't want you waiting around for me.

terry

I'll be heading down from Golden as soon as I figure out how to get there. Never been down that way before. Anybody else in for a little caravan action? That group comin from up north a bit feel like swinging through and meeting me somewhere so I can join the gang?

[MMIXJ]

nice to get out and see some new faces. :cheers:
i only took a few pix, but i'll post 'em up later...

[Frank Z]

Where's the pics?

[Kittrell]

Thats what I want to know. All these people went, it's a day later, and no one has posted anything at all!

[frankenstang57]

I was there too. My wife has the camera and isn't home right now. Pix from me tommorrow. Good time it was!

[jrsxj98]

Thats what I want to know. All these people went, it's a day later, and no one has posted anything at all!

I think they all set around a fire singin songs and holding hands..........

[Frank Z]

I decided to go break my heep on Indy instead.

[arnold]

It was a good day, long day too. Not as long as Frank's was though. It was nice to get out and meet some people, thanks for that. I've only got phone pics, if any turned out ok I'll post them up.

Wes.

[arnold]

this is the best I have right now. All but 2 or 3 rigs are in this pic.

http://home.earthlink.net/~wesarnold/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/1.jpg

[planefixer]

Alright you whiners:bawl: :D heres a trip report:

I had a great time with good folks.:thumbup:
Hit the trail around 10:15 finished at 2:40.Had about 15 rigs, weather was cloudy but nice though the wind did kick up a couple of times.No breakage and the trail was pretty dry except around the waterfall of course.Not much other traffic- just a few Wranglers and some ATVs.

Didn't get too many pics but here's some:

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/planefixer/P4200004.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/planefixer/P4200009.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/planefixer/P4200010.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/planefixer/P4200013.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/planefixer/P4200015.jpg

[planefixer]

More pics:

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/planefixer/P4200027.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/planefixer/P4200031.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/planefixer/P4200032.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/planefixer/P4200033.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/planefixer/P4200037.jpg

[frankenstang57]

Whoohoo! 2 of the 3 "Mall Rated" XJ's made the pix!

[signman2007]

Was a sweet day and pretty good turn out. This was the first time on this trail and I can say that the pics do not do it justice! I do want to thank Jeff for the great lead and spotting also Justin for the great spotting, couldn't have done it without! I did manage to make the whole trail without strapping up tho. Jeff I really am going to re-name the " V notch" to " Whiplash" after taking the top of that boulder off with my front diff....unbelievable and thats a D-30 to boot. Everyone was in good spirit and am looking forward to the next meet up....thanks again!:)

[formatt]

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/planefixer/P4200033.jpg

Super sick rig... :greensmok
probably walked it like it was hardly a speedbump.

Great pics Jeff. Definitely makes me miss my old rig... a LOT.

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[Teellandor]

I got a few pics too, but since I'm on dialup it'll be a bit before I get them posted. Try back tomorow (later tonight if lucky). It was a great trip, though. I learned one thing: open diffs are not your friend.

Alright you whiners:bawl: :D heres a trip report:
Ya know, they could have just shown up, too.:greensmok

[jrsxj98]

I decided to go break my heep on Indy instead.

do tell Frank....

[Frank Z]

do tell Frank....Okay. I went to Indy and broke my wifes XJ.:doh:






















http://www.colorado4x4.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=94053

[Teellandor]

Here's the third "Mall Rated" Jeep:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b3/Teellandor/Chinaman20070421/Chinaman02.jpg

Most of the rigs before we left:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b3/Teellandor/Chinaman20070421/Chinaman04.jpg

A few more:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b3/Teellandor/Chinaman20070421/Chinaman05.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b3/Teellandor/Chinaman20070421/Chinaman06.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b3/Teellandor/Chinaman20070421/Chinaman17.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b3/Teellandor/Chinaman20070421/Chinaman22.jpg

[Teellandor]

I also got a couple scenery shots:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b3/Teellandor/Chinaman20070421/Chinaman01.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b3/Teellandor/Chinaman20070421/Chinaman30.jpg

[Kittrell]

Is it just me, or is Terry driving around the V-notch here? Wasn't aware that was an option....

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u237/injectedxj/Chinamans42107/DCAM0066.jpg

[tonesxj]

Good pics guys! Looks like a nice day up there.

[MMIXJ]

I think they all set around a fire singin songs and holding hands
keep your fantasies to yerself... :nono:

Is it just me, or is Terry driving around the V-notch here?
well i'm 0/2 on that line. i tried it last year (unsuccessfully) after watching led go after it. i don't feel too bad, as if i recall it took him a good 45 minutes and he beat the h*ll out of his rig trying. ;)

seems like there should be a way to finesse around it... i'll find it one of these days. :spin1:
(thanks for helping me try justin).

fwiw, both whale rock and that ledge obstacle are much more dug out this year.