Prior service re-entering

[goodburbon]

I joined the Air Force in 1997 without thinking too much about it, I just wanted a way to get away. I ended up getting a discharge at the end of my training in 1998 for misconduct.

I just failed Calculus 2 for the second time, and have come to the realization that I will not become an engineer due to my inability to perform a math that my calculator could do for me, it is not a lack of understanding material, just an inability to see which theory to apply during a test

It occured to me that I had always missed military life and that with a degree in General studies I could sieze this opportunity, go back and get a commission as an officer.

One problem, My discharge was General(under honorable conditions) with a re-entry code of 2B (don't let this guy back into the Air Force). I am going to appeal this and see if I can get the conversion to Honorable and RE code 3.

I am wondering if anyone else here has done this/tried to do this and has any advice or reccomendations.

[Lawn Cher']

What did you do to get discharged in the manner you did?

[adamusmc2002]

not sure man, but I'm getting out of the marine corps this week, and my honorable discharge code is re-1a i think. Not sure what the 3 is, I assume that's better than 2? does 2 not allow you back in?

[goodburbon]

Didn't do my homework twice and told my instructor that a female friend of mine was "just a bitch". It was a running joke between she and I, he wasn't in on it and shit a brick, and the CO did too when he asked why I would say such a thing and I replied "because she is a bitch".

They believed that this was a trend of sexual harassment when I reacted inappropriately to a Marine instructor giving away answers to a pregnant female prior to a test and telling me to "shut up" when I asked to see. Like an immature moron I responded "why, because I didn't get knocked up and come back to tech school". She knew I wasn't directing it toward her, but it was a stupid and immature response. He began yelling, and I got written up.

I am hoping the lack of a criminal record or any other incidents like this in the past 8 years will help.

No Article 15, 1 LOR maybe 2 LOCs and I was out one week before I was to graduate Tech school, sat around for 2 months on AFI waiting to get out though.

[goodburbon]

Air force uses completely different codes from all other branches, 3 in marines means no re-enlistment without a waiver.
1 in all branches means "the individual was fully qualified and reccomended for reenlistment at the time of discharge"

[woody]

Are you looking at re-upping in the Air Force or changing services?

If you are in decent shape, and want to get into much better shape; plus want to do something 'real'... consider Army Special Forces. They had a recruitment deal where folks with a college degree (or also non-college prior service?) can go through a modified basic training and then a path to Parachute school & SF assesment & selection. If one made it through SFAS, they enter SF training as an E-4 and auto promotion to E-5 upon assignment to an 18 series MOS (job field)

SF isn't for pusseyes. Your brain & body will be picked on & twisted up in a peculiar fashion. OTOH it is a career path that is probably the most wide-open in the Army. Also some really decent re-up bonuses in 18 series.

Rough time if you have a family though... they keep those folks hopping & popping...but they do 'real' things.

[blaisetd]

Just join the Marines; they tend to overlook one's past. I should know…I had a lengthy juvenile record when I enlisted…. blaise

[woody]

SF has a pretty forgiving policy... as long as you are their hooligan, they love you long time.

LOL but the Marine Corps is hard as shit to make rank (& money) vs the Army... OTOH they are pretty unselective & do 'real' things too...

[919Chief]

The AF is getting rid of a lot of junior officers right now, and being pretty tight on any new commissions... I would say you shot is very slim at best.

But look into the national guard, they seem to have the most leeway in regards to matters like this. Once you are back in that previous reenlistment code means much, much less.

[goodburbon]

Air force recruiting has displayed nothing but disdain for me so far, so I am thinking Marines, they are good at what they do. I don't particularly like the ARMY very much, no offense to anyone here in it, but I have only met one soldier in person that I liked. My former brother in law (ARMY SF) who threatend to kill me at my wifes funeral is a prime example, and a co-worker with a chronic inability to tell the truth and a propensity to abuse his wife is another one.

I really wanted an Air force career, but after an online conversation with CHIEF master seargent pecker :
KYLE: IF I TOLD YOU TO PICK UP THE PIECE OF PAPER ON THE FLOOR AND YOU SAID NOT OR DID NOT DO IT YOU DISOBEYED AN ORDER IT CAN BE THAT SIMPLE
you: yes seargent I understand thank you for your time.
KYLE: CHIEF
KYLE: NOT SGT
KYLE: CHIEF CAMPBELL OUT
you: my apologies

tonight, it would seem that the Air Force has no room for someone who did stupid things as a young man. I will be visiting the Marine recruiter tomorrow......(I HATE the fact that marines can't count!) grrrrrrr.

I will be thinking this over considerably, My wife is completely against the Marine option, I barely had her convinced that the Air Force was ok before I found out that they had no desire to comission a motivated individual. Oh well, at this point my desire to serve and build a career overrides my dislikes of stupid marine idiocies ("one two three one sir" is two pushups stupid, not one, and if basic is 13 weeks why say its 12?, and its a fargin floor, not a deck! I could go on, but the bottom line is that marines kick ass, and I would be proud to be one of them despite their quirks).

[johnlv6]

The air force is overmanned and looking to trim people as it is. There are plenty of good, young Lt's getting cut as it is. Look at another service (or go guard).

[johnlv6]

Air force recruiting has displayed nothing but disdain for me so far, so I am thinking Marines, they are good at what they do. I don't particularly like the ARMY very much, no offense to anyone here in it, but I have only met one soldier in person that I liked. My former brother in law (ARMY SF) who threatend to kill me at my wifes funeral is a prime example, and a co-worker with a chronic inability to tell the truth and a propensity to abuse his wife is another one.

I really wanted an Air force career, but after an online conversation with CHIEF master seargent pecker :
KYLE: IF I TOLD YOU TO PICK UP THE PIECE OF PAPER ON THE FLOOR AND YOU SAID NOT OR DID NOT DO IT YOU DISOBEYED AN ORDER IT CAN BE THAT SIMPLE
you: yes seargent I understand thank you for your time.
KYLE: CHIEF
KYLE: NOT SGT
KYLE: CHIEF CAMPBELL OUT
you: my apologies

tonight, it would seem that the Air Force has no room for someone who did stupid things as a young man. I will be visiting the Marine recruiter tomorrow......(I HATE the fact that marines can't count!) grrrrrrr.

I will be thinking this over considerably, My wife is completely against the Marine option, I barely had her convinced that the Air Force was ok before I found out that they had no desire to comission a motivated individual. Oh well, at this point my desire to serve and build a career overrides my dislikes of stupid marine idiocies ("one two three one sir" is two pushups stupid, not one, and if basic is 13 weeks why say its 12?, and its a fargin floor, not a deck! I could go on, but the bottom line is that marines kick ass, and I would be proud to be one of them despite their quirks).

If that conversation offended you, i'm not thinking the Marines are going to work out for you either...

Edit: I'll say this as nicely as i can. The military isn't for everyone. After reading over your posts again, you REALLY need to look at another line of work.

[goodburbon]

I was not offended by that conversation, I have had much worse. I was, however, a bit put off at how his additude turned crappy as soon as I said I had been discharged. He had no interest in even entertaining the notion of me getting the review board to change my discharge classification and RE code. A bit of unnecessary additude from a RETIRED Chief from the friggin GUARD. If the Air Force is so Overburdened by "good men" why even have a recruiter, just put up a blog that says "Go away, we don't want you.", and why post job openings on the ANG website?

I know what I am getting into with the Corps, and I fully expect mistreatment as a recruit. I just think it is un called for when someone whose job is to be helpful is an a-hole.

[woody]

If that conversation offended you, i'm not thinking the Marines are going to work out for you either...

Edit: I'll say this as nicely as i can. The military isn't for everyone. After reading over your posts again, you REALLY need to look at another line of work.

X2. I wouldn't suggest the military for anyone who wont give 110%.

[ECKSJAY]

X2. I wouldn't suggest the military for anyone who wont give 110%.

x3

Can anybody honestly be this fawking stupid?

[woody]

x3

Can anybody honestly be this fawking stupid?

Possibly.

I spent at least 15 minutes of my drive home this evening thinking of how bad it would suck to die with just Parachute wings and not have earned a CIB. Especially when the kids I've trained, and nephews are in there up to the armpits

[goodburbon]

Are your remarks because I would choose to be a marine over being a soldier, or because you are under the impression that I lack testicular fortitude?

I am appealing my discharge regardless of wether or not I choose to become a marine. So I would appreciate advice on that front.


I can assure you that were I to decide this career path I would conform to the principles expected of me, give "110%" to any task that befalls me, and commit my life to the corps and what it stands for. I would not enter into this contract lightly.

[woody]

LOL my remarks are from the perspective of a 40ish ex-Army Cavalry Scout E-6, with friends & family serving in all the branches. No XXXXXXs need apply.

If you can devote your life to it, go for it!

[shelbyluvv]

Take it from me, I have been in the Corps for 14 years. You have a bad attitude and WILL be made an example of. If you get bent over a instant message, what are you going to do when a Sergeant takes a big chunk of your ass for being late to PT or not performing? I was in the Marines from 1993-1997 and got out as a Corporal (E4). I ended up getting promoted to Sergeant (E5) on terminal leave. I re-joined the Marines 3 1/2 months later as a Lance Corporal (E3). That was by far the hardest thing for me to swallow. I went from being in charge of my shop to police calling the lot in under 4 months. I felt the pain. It sucked. I made the choice to be the best possible Marine and leader I could. I am now a Staff Sergeant (E6). If I would have kept my attitude and not done something to better myself and make the Corps work for me I would not be where I am at. You need to sit down and take a good look at yourself in the mirror. You need to know deep down in your heart that the Marines is the right thing for you. Believe me, we will weed out the ones who can't adapt to our lifestyle very quickly. I am not saying you can't make it through boot camp. That is the easy part. Being a Marine is a way of life, which is not to be taken lightly. Ever wonder why they say "Once a Marine always a Marine"?

[goodburbon]

oh, this is over the counting thing and the fact that I thought the recruiter was being brash toward a CIVILIAN. I really don't give a rats azz what he said to me with the exception of "we won't take you, we won't help you" the rest was filler. I only posted that to show their additude toward me.

I was just razzing on marines with the counting comments ( I do it all the time with my marine friends, it was a joke), Do not mistake my playfulness as stupidity, I know when to turn it off and put on my game face.

[LilRedRover]

to hell with it... call it quits on the military and become a male escort... better money ;)

[RedHeep]

I know what I am getting into with the Corps, and I fully expect mistreatment as a recruit. I just think it is un called for when someone whose job is to be helpful is an a-hole.

I wasn't mistreated as a recruit, what you should fully expect is to be treated like everyone else. There are no special people or training timeouts at parris island or san diego. Individuals aren't welcome.

I don't think recruiters are designed to be helpful, just informative. Clearly whatever enlistment hurdles that particular person looked at when talking to you made him not interested in your application.

I would think it was uncalled for for someone who got thrown out on his ass the first time to call a retired member of one of our military services an a-hole simply because he didn't give you what you thought you deserved or needed from him.

[mrrbby]

I just read all your posts on this. I think that you should really think about what you are trying to get into. You seem to have the wrong attitude. If you can't follow orders, and keep your mouth shut, you will never make it. Think long and hard about it before you sign the papers, and step on the yellow foot prints. If you aren't ready to give it everything you have 24/7, don't bother.


Btw, I'm a former Marine (1993-1997). I can count.:) I'm also a Ssgt in the Air National Guard. Does that make me a Ssgt pecker?:)