Trails

[GSequoia]

As usual for the SoCalFest the trail scheduling is going to be on the casual side pending how many rigs show up, the build level of those rigs, and local conditions on the mountain. Rest assured that event leadership will be ready with rough ideas on the mornings and make the final call at the Discovery Center meeting.

So on the list of possibilities so far (if you have any others you'd like to see speak up!):

A note on ratings:
Easy: Anybody can make it on this one.
Moderate: 30" tires (undersized tires of driver is known to be experienced) Limited Slip in one axle recomended.
Hard: Okay, it's not really that hard (Big Bear isn't that demanding). 31" tires, one locker suggested.

Hard Trails:
John Bull (I WILL be doing this ;) )
Holcomb Creek, Lower & Upper
Pontiac Sluice / Onyx Loop

Moderate Trails:
Holcomb Creek using alternate enterance
Heartbreak Ridge

Easy Trails:
The 3N16 & Jacoby Canyon Tour
East Big Bear Tour (Partial 2N02, 2N01, and 2N04)
Mt. Baldy *NEW* trail. This may or may not be included (I have to work out a few things with the forest service first). More details on this later.

Unknown Trails (See note)
Deep Creek - Who's ran this recently, what should it be rated as?
Dishpan - Again, who's ran it recently?


I know I'm forgetting some stuff here but just getting the word out...

Sequoia

[rpraterxj]

As usual for the SoCalFest the trail scheduling is going to be on the casual side pending how many rigs show up, the build level of those rigs, and local conditions on the mountain. Rest assured that event leadership will be ready with rough ideas on the mornings and make the final call at the Discovery Center meeting.

So on the list of possibilities so far (if you have any others you'd like to see speak up!):

A note on ratings:
Easy: Anybody can make it on this one.
Moderate: 30" tires (undersized tires of driver is known to be experienced) Limited Slip in one axle recomended.
Hard: Okay, it's not really that hard (Big Bear isn't that demanding). 31" tires, one locker suggested.

Unknown Trails (See note)
Deep Creek - Who's ran this recently, what should it be rated as?
Dishpan - Again, who's ran it recently?

Sequoia

Hey G,

Deep Creek and Dishpan Springs are the same trail. I ran it a few months ago. I would say that it is a moderate to hard, because of a couple of areas, including a tough waterfall. Even the bi-pass can be tricky.

I am up for leading either Dishpan and Holcomb. Both trails can be ran together. Depending on the number of rigs, you can possibly fit in another one.

[zjmikey]

Hey G,

Deep Creek and Dishpan Springs are the same trail. I ran it a few months ago. I would say that it is a moderate to hard, because of a couple of areas, including a tough waterfall. Even the bi-pass can be tricky.

I am up for leading either Dishpan and Holcomb. Both trails can be ran together. Depending on the number of rigs, you can possibly fit in another one.

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I think a good run would be dishpan-holcomb running west to east.. that would be fun.. but might be a longer one with a big group.

dishpan is such a short trail it would be nice to connect to another trail and run it together.


Kinda like we did on the kj trip remember robert?

go through disphan then banzai through holcomb...


Im up for leading disphan if needed..

[rpraterxj]

Hey gang,

Where are we at on the plans for this?

May will be here really soon! I am looking forward to another Adopt-a-trail work day and alot of wheeling...

So any new details?

Are we having a BBQ & Raffle?

What are trail plans and need for leaders? I am available! I can lead a Deep Creek and Holcomb Creek run on Saturday.

[Kejtar]

Hey gang,

Where are we at on the plans for this?

May will be here really soon! I am looking forward to another Adopt-a-trail work day and alot of wheeling...

So any new details?

Are we having a BBQ & Raffle?

What are trail plans and need for leaders? I am available! I can lead a Deep Creek and Holcomb Creek run on Saturday.
Robert,
THere will be a dinner, and a raffle and all the regular stuff. I will be posting some info by the end of the week hopefully as you are correct: The time is coming near! (damn it's almost middle of March already!!!)

[rpraterxj]

Robert,
THere will be a dinner, and a raffle and all the regular stuff. I will be posting some info by the end of the week hopefully as you are correct: The time is coming near! (damn it's almost middle of March already!!!)


Hey Remi and gang,

What can we (members and users) all do to help prepare and plan for this event?

I have already got the day off from work and the boss (wife) is going out of town. I may have my son with me, but I am going to try to get my mother-in-law to come down Thursday or early Friday morning. I may not get to make the trail maintainence, but I am going to do my best. It was awesome last year!

[Kejtar]

Hey Remi and gang,

What can we (members and users) all do to help prepare and plan for this event?

I have already got the day off from work and the boss (wife) is going out of town. I may have my son with me, but I am going to try to get my mother-in-law to come down Thursday or early Friday morning. I may not get to make the trail maintainence, but I am going to do my best. It was awesome last year!
At this point I have a trail coordinator (Mr. TBent) as well as a cook (Mr. JohnX) :D

We will need a few folks to help setup for food and a few folks to help with cleanup. Also we will need some folding tables.

[karstic]

At this point I have a trail coordinator (Mr. TBent) as well as a cook (Mr. JohnX) :D

We will need a few folks to help setup for food and a few folks to help with cleanup. Also we will need some folding tables.

I can provide a folding table, just need to know where to deliver it.

[rpraterxj]

I can provide a folding table, just need to know where to deliver it.

I too can provide a folding table, but I can't bring it up with me in the XJ. If someone is taking a truck up, I can bring it over somewhere.

[ruggedjeep]

Ill try and make it on sat just for the day, this trip always falls on my girls bday.

[Gerr]

ok guys Im going out on a limb and saying .......

I will not miss this event LOL

Ive missed every one since JV last year :(

I ask that no one tells my wife what trail we are going on :) or she wont go

[hellbilly04]

I plan on going & wandering if there is RV camping?

[Kejtar]

I plan on going & wandering if there is RV camping?
There is RV camping @ the campground where we will stage out of. We should have some info about camping shortly.

[Gerr]

the dishpan/holcome run sounds good to me if I have the xj I may opt for something easyer for my wifes sake(scares easily) but the YJ has a cage and 4 point harnesses so :)

[rpraterxj]

I can lead the Dishpan Springs/Deep Creek and Holcomb run.

I will ask that folks have the NAXJA requirements as well as a locker, tow-points, and at least 3" of lift and 31" tires . Rock rails at your choice, it's your rig.

I have been with folks with no lockers and they did make these trails with problem.

These are fun trails, and some of the best Big Bear has to offer.

They are rated "most difficult" by Forest Service. There is about a 20 min drive on the road to the start of Deep Creek. We will disconnect and air-down at the trail head.

Please post up in the "Deep Creek/Holcomb Creek" thread if you wish to run these trails.

Thank you

[JohnX]

FYI...I will have firewood for the group fire Saturday night, I can also bring some folding tables (3x8ish).

REMIND ME....I will forget about the tables....everybody should PM me the day before.

[GSequoia]

FYI...I will have firewood for the group fire Saturday night, I can also bring some folding tables (3x8ish).

REMIND ME....I will forget about the tables....everybody should PM me the day before.

We love you John because you always have wood.

:wierd:

[Mr.OverKill]

We love you John because you always have wood.

:wierd::doh: lastara

[Kristof2]

I recently moved to Camp Pendleton. Am I required to join a So Cal group to go to this wheeling trip?

Kris

[rpraterxj]

I recently moved to Camp Pendleton. Am I required to join a So Cal group to go to this wheeling trip?

Kris

Hi Kris,

Welcome to SOCAL. No, you do not have to "join" anything. You are welcome to hang out, post, and wheel without joining.

Please join us in Big Bear in 2 weeks!!!

[rpraterxj]

We love you John because you always have wood.



lastara :eek: :puke: :puke:

[markw]

Ok, so we have John Bull and Dishpan. What trail would be good for 33's and f/r lockers? Need to test out my new bellypan also. :)

[rpraterxj]

Ok, so we have John Bull and Dishpan. What trail would be good for 33's and f/r lockers? Need to test out my new bellypan also. :)

You shoudl be able to go on any of the trails, provided you have the required equipment.

For the trails in Big Bear, the ones rated difficult by the Forest Service are:

Dishpan Springs (Deep Creek)
Holcomb Creek
John Bull
Heartbreak Ridge/Onyx Loop

I think there is one more, but I will need to look in a book.

For Medium difficulty, I know there are three or four, but the only one that sticks in my mind is Gold Mountain.

The best thign to do, outside of buying a book, is to show up at the Discovery Center, prepared to wheel. Once everyone is there and the vehicles have been "inspected", the trails will be decided. There will be something for everyone, including stock Jeeps. ou can ask folks that haev been there or the trail leaders what they think of the trail.

Another consideration is your driving skill, experience, and confidence (or ego...:laugh3:). Some folks get easily intimidated by large boulders and 6 foot waterfalls.

Rest assured, which ever trail you choice, the leader and otehr folks here will guide you and help you with anything.

See you next week!

[GSequoia]

Dishpan Springs (Deep Creek)
Holcomb Creek
John Bull
Heartbreak Ridge/Onyx Loop

Gold Mountain and White Mountain are both also black rated.

[Gerr]

Gold Mountain and White Mountain are both also black rated.
They upgraded them last year but really still arnt that dificult

[FishPOET]

The National Park Service, The US Forest Service and the BLM all use a 3 tier trail rating system. If even one small section of the trail deserves a black diamond rating, then the whole trail gets the rating.

Green Circle; Easiest
Mild rocky road, usually graded once a year.
Gentle grades, no significant water crossings.
Two wheel drive is usually acceptable with good ground clearance.
Four wheel drive makes the trip safer and there will be less tire spinning.

Blue Square; More Difficult
Rutted and rocky roads, careful tire placement is necessary.
Undercarriage may occasionaly scrape. Brush may scrape vehicle.
Some grades may be fairly steep.
Water crossings may be 2'-3' deep.
Four wheel drive with 2 speed transfer case, high clearance, low air pressure,
and some experience driving off road is best.
Typical setup would be 31's and 2"-4" of lift.

Black Diamond; Most Difficult
Rock gardens and deeply rutted roads.
Grades can be steep with severe ground undulation.
Sideways tilt can be extreme.
Body damage is a possibility.
A locker or limited slip in a differential makes the drive safer.
Typical setup would be 33's and 4"-6" of lift.
Body armor is highly recommended.

The list below is not complete, but it's close

USFS rated black diamond 4x4 trails near Big Bear Lake:
3N10 John Bull
2N93 Holcomb Creek
2N06X Lower Larga
1N01 Pipes Canyon
2N90 Tip Top Mountain
3N03A Horsethief Flat
3N69 Gold Mountain
1N38 Heart Bar Peak
3N17 White Mountain

USFS rated black diamond 4x4 trails near Lake Arrowhead/Green Valley Lake:
3N34 Dishpan Springs
2N13D Crafts Peak
2N83 Edison Rd
2N27Y
2N29Y

USFS rated blue square 4x4 trails near Big Bear Lake:
3N61 Jacoby Canyon
2N06 Radford Truck Trail
1N54 Clark's Grade
3N02 Burnt Flat
2N06 Moon Ridge Peak
2N84 Little Bear Peak
2N68Y
2N61Y
2N71Y
3N63 Silver Peak
3N80
Rattlesnake Canyon

USFS rated blue square 4x4 trails near Lake Arrowhead/Green Valley Lake:
2N54
3N59
2N28Y
3N34B Devil's Hole
3N34D Willow Creek Jeep Trail
2N19B
2N19C

[GSequoia]

Oh yeah, I forgot about 1N01.

That's pretty nasty right now!

[markw]

I'm looking at pictures on the web from some of the trails. Wondering if I should bring my Civic or Jeep, trails look pretty tame compared to JV. :)

[rpraterxj]

I'm looking at pictures on the web from some of the trails. Wondering if I should bring my Civic or Jeep, trails look pretty tame compared to JV. :)


There is no comparison between the two. If you wheel JV, you may not like Big Bear. Big Bear is a great and fun place to wheel, but it is no JV....

If you bring the Honda, please have tow points front and rear....:laugh:

[GrimmJeeper]

There is no comparison between the two. If you wheel JV, you may not like Big Bear. Big Bear is a great and fun place to wheel, but it is no JV....

If you bring the Honda, please have tow points front and rear....:laugh:

most hondas have factory tow rings front and rear ;)

[FishPOET]

Wondering if I should bring my Civic or Jeep
In 2002 a youngster decided to take the shortcut on the backroads from Green Valley Lake to Lake Arrowhead in his new Beetle. He made it down dishpan before the car quit. Not many scrathes in the body at all. The undercarriage was completely shot and the car was a total loss.

Let me know if you run your Civic and I'll be sure to take lots of pictures :laugh:

Holcomb Creek

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/FishPOET/Big%20Bear/Holcomb%20Creek%203%2007/IMG_0716a.jpg

[etaniyani]

I think we're gonna come for the day on saturday, 2 xj's and maybe an unlimited rubicon. What trails do you guys plan on running saturday and what time you plan on starting? looking forward to it.

[GSequoia]

0900 at the Discovery Center (http://www.sequoia4x4.com/trails/sbnf/bb-discovery.html). Trails will be decided there based upon event participation, driver skill level, and local weather conditions.

[etaniyani]

sounds good, hopefully see you guys there.