the push through Falluja

[XJ_Vikings]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sCv0NG21EQ

great video

[XJ Dreamin']

It seems to me, if the mission of the US military is to irradicate terrorists world wide, and the Iraqi insurgents are terrorists from around the world, then let them come to Iraq. What is the kill ratio, anyway?

[XJ_Vikings]

the kill ratio is too many of us to too few of them.

Basically what happened with the push is we told everyone to leave the city, anyone still in the city after the given date would be considered an insurgent. This allowed the military to fight more of a head on war instead of picking and choosing between insurgent and civilian, a task wich is near impossible. The insurgents we are attempting to eradicate are not from around the world necessarially but from the region.

Your logic about letting them come to iraq sounds great to most people, except the Iraqis. How would you feel if we decided to bring all the terrorists to America then begin all out warfare?

[Ghost]

Nice! ty to all who served.

[1985xjlaredo]

the kill ratio is too many of us to too few of them.
You cannot be serious!

[XJ Dreamin']

the kill ratio is too many of us to too few of them.

Basically what happened with the push is we told everyone to leave the city, anyone still in the city after the given date would be considered an insurgent. This allowed the military to fight more of a head on war instead of picking and choosing between insurgent and civilian, a task wich is near impossible. The insurgents we are attempting to eradicate are not from around the world necessarially but from the region.

Your logic about letting them come to iraq sounds great to most people, except the Iraqis. How would you feel if we decided to bring all the terrorists to America then begin all out warfare?

Well, they did come here and the ratio was 3,000 to, what, 8 or 9. Not good. Counting the NYC emergency response personnel as combatants (very loosely, mind - only on the basis that they volunteered for danger vs. the civilians in the buildings and on the planes) that's some 2,500 colateral damage, and even as combatants, the fire and police were not military targets.

I know the idea of setting up Iraq as a kill zone is simplistic. And, it sucks for the Iraqi people, and no, there haven't been any Indonesian or Sumatran Muslim terrorists in Iraq that I know of (not that I would know anything about it)...Still, we are in a war and I would not want to pull back and try to turn the US into a citidel. We know, already, how hard it is to defend a border. Of course, I wouldn't want Iraq to turn into a defensive fight. It just seemed to me that a long as they want to come to Iraq to martre themselves, it seems to expidite the overall mission of eradicating terrorists.

I have read that there are some questions about action in Fallujah, but I haven't been able to sort it out from my armchair.

[flexjay87]

i'm very disappointed in the Iraqi "army", they don't seem to be much help to us. as usual, everyone wants us to do all the work, and pay for it all to boot. when will we learn?

[XJ_Vikings]

You cannot be serious!

im very serious, you dont like the idea of keeping Americans alive and killing insurgents?

i'm very disappointed in the Iraqi "army", they don't seem to be much help to us. as usual, everyone wants us to do all the work, and pay for it all to boot. when will we learn?

the Iraqi army is learning, but so is my dog. Theyre primary defense method when shot at is the "death blossom" where they literally just start shooting everywhere in a 360* circle. The Iraqi Police are all crooked which makes the whole process harder, my roomate actually had to shoot an IP his first day.