Hell must of frozen over

[patf1234]

My build is finally making some progress. If anyone remembers I am the guy that wanted 14 inches of lift lol. Well that idea flew the coupe and here are new plans and pics. this rig will be mostly built for mud and moderate rocks. THIS RIG WILL BE TRAIL ONLY AND TRAILERED AND NEVER TOUCH LEGAL PAVEMENT.

How it sits now:8:00am this mornin

84 Jeep Cherokee Wagoneer 4 door
Dana 44 lsd(or posi) rear, 30 up front
Stock hieght
33/12.5/15 all terrains on HURRICANES rims 15x8
4.0 straight six


How it sits now:9:49 at night

all doors removed(possible half door conversion on fronts)
front fenders removed
Top removed from c pillar back
rear quarters partially hacked off
wiring harness going to back of jeep taken out(Except for Fuel pump wires)


Plans
4.5 inch lift
Coils up front
Custom longarms
full frame stifening
3.5 inch leaves with 1.25 shackle(still flexy)
flipped rear leavs for bigger tire/longer wheelbase

Full Cage
Internal bars on upper sill(see pics)
External bars for bed area
Full tube fenders and front bumper



So this is a start and will most likely take on more items as the build porgres's.

THIS RIG IS FOR TRAIL ONLY AND WILL BE TRAILERED AND NEVER HIT LEGAL PAVEMENT. I DO NOT IMPOSE MY IDEAS UPON ANYONE AND DO NOT WARRENT ANYTHING AS ROAD SAFE. I REAPAET THIS RIG IS FOR TRAIL ONLY.

[patf1234]

SRY WILL POST PICS TOMMOROW
Plans for tommorow:

Rip dash off
Save all computers
remove more useless wiring
remove heater box
start to fab up dash and WATERPROOF electrical box
reroute snorkel through firewall and dash

[GunmetalXJ]

NO ONE CARES IF IT NEVER TOUCHES PAVEMENT

[rocklandxjer]

delete

[patf1234]

just makin myself clear is all

[FarmerMatt]

You gonna drive it on the street?

[rehab]

i cant read, i need pics.

[patf1234]

You gonna drive it on the street?


No street time except for trail to trail

[hadfield4wd]

Yep that's what I hear.

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k51/hadfield4wd/ItFinallyHappened.jpg

[vetteboy]

What are the plans for axles/tires/driveline etc?

And I would agree that hell has frozen over, I'm from new jersey as well and it was definitely below freezing when I left my house this morning.

[FarmerMatt]

No street time except for trail to trail

I was being sarcastic, but I have to ask...why does this really matter? A rig will see much more punishing treatment on any trail than it would for street driving. If it's built to not handle a trip down to the grocery store than it won't handle a trail.

Matt

[patf1234]

Dont worry Matt i recognize sarcasm but the reason for no road time is the extreme vehicle modification laws in nj(those from jersey know what i mean) so the truck will be unable to insure, register, or inspect due to the size and the modifications to follow.


Update:
Did a little more trimming in the back exposeing rear"FRAME" rails
removed dashboard and all unwanted components
removed prvious snorkel
removed heater box and all a/c crap(compressor stayed)
started removing more wiring(pain in the ass)

[rocklandxjer]

THIS THREAD IS USELESS WITHOUT PICS

btw what was wrong with the snorkle? gettin rid of it?

[steelmen]

THIS THREAD IS USELESS WITHOUT PICS

btw what was wrong with the snorkle? gettin rid of it?

X10

[patf1234]

nothin wrong with current snorkel jus redesigning it is all, will try and get pics tomorow

[Beej]

No offense, but I think this thread belongs in Mod Tech, or maybe even Off-Topic until there is something to discuss that warrants placement in the Advanced Fabrication Forum. Not because what you are planning to do won't become advanced fab, but just because it simply isn't yet...

[CanMan]

No offense, but I think this thread belongs in Mod Tech, or maybe even Off-Topic until there is something to discuss that warrants placement in the Advanced Fabrication Forum. Not because what you are planning to do won't become advanced fab, but just because it simply isn't yet...

I disagree, its teh most hardcore AdFab thread evah! :rolleyes:

[vetteboy]

Dont worry Matt i recognize sarcasm but the reason for no road time is the extreme vehicle modification laws in nj(those from jersey know what i mean) so the truck will be unable to insure, register, or inspect due to the size and the modifications to follow.

So what exactly is it you're looking to do, that'll put it outside the NJ laws?

I've made extensive study (and had extensive interviews) with all the state inspection people, and all the guys at the Asbury station were trained using my rig in September '05. I even went to the library and photocopied all the stuff from the NJ Administrative Code pertaining to lifted, modified, and reconstructed vehicles and carried it around in my glove box.

What part of NJ are you in?

[patf1234]

im in pennsauken right outside of camden and about fifteen minutes from philadelphia. The things that will be done to it that r not ok in jersey are the lift and tire combo. The major removing of body parts. The fact that the truck has no title, adn the conversions of axles and any drivtrain parts. Jersey laws r not fun


Vetteboy is it possible for me to see the laws and regulations u carry with u in ur glovebox

[patf1234]

You all asked and i delivered The before pictures


http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/6593/jeep2ph6.th.jpg (http://img398.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jeep2ph6.jpg)

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9895/jeep1hq2.th.png (http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jeep1hq2.png)

http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/3654/jeep3so8.th.jpg (http://img451.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jeep3so8.jpg)

Afters will be delivered 2morrow

[tealcherokee]

go away

[patf1234]

go away


Why do u want me to leave?

[rocklandxjer]

i wanna see these after pics you promised!! :)

[patf1234]

As promised here are some progress pics

passenger side

http://i10.tinypic.com/47v9rx1.jpg

back

http://i16.tinypic.com/2llyk3a.jpg

driver side

http://i10.tinypic.com/47btbw0.jpg

[Oliver93XJ]

When did mad max come to town?

You ruined that Jeep.

[patf1234]

If you read, it says progress pics, the jeep is not ruined just in its early state of modification more metal is to be removed tommorow and tube work started.

[patf1234]

ill be here till the project is done

[91Limited]

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
:shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

WOW

[Matt S.]

hey I like it... but I am blind and my dog said it looked good.

[AzRick]

That puts my rig to shame.

Rick

[Matt S.]

That puts my rig to shame.

Rick

More like making your rig look like Porch Puppy!

[patf1234]

Rick I like ur rig and I am actually planing on boatsides similar to yours Thanks for the comments guys. I will keep you all opsted on progress.

[patf1234]

hey I like it... but I am blind and my dog said it looked good.


Is your dog blind as well, right now it looks like something a dog threw up haha

[vintagespeed]

Awesome! I think your roof is waving at me. :confused:

[patf1234]

yeah the roof has a couple kinks in it you know what i say oh well the truck was free hehe

[heapxj]

It'll buff out, don't worry

[88flexj]

That thing looks dangerous. I doubt it would be safe on a trailer:scared:

[patf1234]

No progress as of today still looks like something a dog vomited up But i hope to start on the tubing and the rockers by friday.

I also have another project im getting into with a friend(full tube 4 cylinder 4wheel drive one seater kinda like those rhino things) So progress on the heap is first priority.

[Porch Puppy]

More like making your rig look like Porch Puppy!

Wow keep me out of this...:puke:

[CanMan]

Why is this still here?

[RockControlXJ]

ummm.......you need to scrap that truck and do some more research before you start another. Most of us who tackle projects of that depth have a little bit more experience than you. You should probably get a stock rig and start small modifications like bumpers and sliders. Get feedback on small projects and use each tip to improve your later designs. Once you've got some fab time under your belt you'll get a feel for how things should go together then you might try something of this magnitude again. I'm not trying to be a dick but i wouldn't want to see that thing on the road or on any trail.

Remember aesthetics, things that look good, usually work well.

[mattyg]

looks like a work in progress that is for sure
for sure start bracing the frame and stop wheeling it as is
the roof and shyte is part of the structrul integrity so keep that in mind
keep the pics coming to keep the peanut gallery off yer back and make yer work look good as stated above, if your welds suck pay someone or practice lots
good luck
matty

[rocklandxjer]

ummm.......you need to scrap that truck and do some more research before you start another. Most of us who tackle projects of that depth have a little bit more experience than you. You should probably get a stock rig and start small modifications like bumpers and sliders. Get feedback on small projects and use each tip to improve your later designs. Once you've got some fab time under your belt you'll get a feel for how things should go together then you might try something of this magnitude again. I'm not trying to be a dick but i wouldn't want to see that thing on the road or on any trail.

Remember aesthetics, things that look good, usually work well.

why would he scrap that rig that he just cut into and start modifying a stock rig.

its not his street car or anything, its a project and these are "progress pics"
im not saying it doesnt look like crap right now, but its not done.

also, how do you know what kind of fabrication skills this guy has? i would assume he knows his way around a welder given the number of things he has planned for it.

also, have you never heard the phrase function over form. I dont know about you, but id trust an ugly but well built bridge over a shiny and modern looking but shoddy built bridge anyday.

[mattyg]

also, have you never heard the phrase function over form. I dont know about you, but id trust an ugly but well built bridge over a shiny and modern looking but shoddy built bridge anyday.

i am function over form guy too, but shotty welds and rusty pipe sucks
in a roll over a his current cage would probally inpale him before it would save him

[jeep_87_cherokee]

lol i dont know about you guys, but in a few weeks i can see this guy being the host of extreme 4x4...............hardly. practice practice practice

[rocklandxjer]

personally Pat (if thats your name...) i really hope you turn this into something real nice. i dont think people understand the concept of "in progress" and i also dont think they understand that you are not using this as your trail rig at the moment either (unless you are, then i agree your an idiot :) ) Also, i dont see how they can tell you have made shoddy welds and ineffective materials from those three pics.

Although i would get rid of that horrid "windshield"

for your own sake, take your time and do it all right. then show everyone that they were wrong at the end.

but keep this thread going, i love build up threads. (especially one as interesting as this)

[patf1234]

Alright so here goes the long post where the guy clears all issues up.

First off this is not a street driven truck and is only a trail rig
Second the truck is a current work in progress
third i cannot weld but my brother can(obviuosly he will be doing the welding)
Fourth I can bend tube
Fifth that monstrosity of a cage is going away except for a couple points.
Sixth The rust on the tube is only surface rust and will be ground off before final paint
Seventh i am not currently wheeling the truck
Eigth That poser pic was a joke
Ninth the truck right now is a pos
tenth i am fully confident in my ability to do what i planned
eleventh i can spell eleventh
twelf those tires are a temp fix
thirteenth I dont care what you naysayers say
fourteenth The windshield will become lexan
fifteenth this is not an xj buggy but rather an xj with a cage/body

And sixteenth, thank you to all of those who actually are putting in advice and not stupid dickhead jibber-jabber

Oh yeah and i refuse to scrap the truck i have never been known as a quitter and am not going to start now. This truck will be completed and trailsafe by all standards.

Thank you and goodnight

[BIGWOODY]

Build what you want , take the flaming in stride. The only way you'll get any better at building/fabing is to get in there and do it. I've seen some of these peoples rigs on here that either look or looked like a bad freaking abortion, so I wouldn't let it bother me. You don't just walk out into the garage and slap together something badass on the first try. The "others" here may have you believe that, but trust me I've seen some total junk on here that people were pimping and proud of. Good luck finishing it, if it turns out to be a turd, so what, it's your turd. For christ sake it's a unibody, I don't understand anyone putting all kinds of time and cash into a unibody anyway. Yes, I made the same mistake too.

[Dirk Pitt]

Can't delete, sorry.

[patf1234]

Can't delete, sorry.


I just need to ask what does this mean

oh and i do not have a garage and no outside coverage and most work will be done out side so i can not set the truck on stands to do the work

[Dirk Pitt]

I just need to ask what does this mean

oh and i do not have a garage and no outside coverage and most work will be done out side so i can not set the truck on stands to do the work

I posted a reply and then realized I had a misunderstanding.

I couldn't delete the post, so I left that message, meaning please disregard.

[patf1234]

thank you for clearing that up

[Mr.OverKill]

tid bit of advise, please dont use lexan for the windshield, use origional safety glass because if the windshield breaks, lexan will become very verry dangerous because it doesnt shatter and hold together, it breaks in shards that are long and sharp generally ( could leave a mark if you know what i mean )

[patf1234]

ok i know im gonna hear seach search but i need a quick answer.

What other than original glass can i use as a windshield,please be sincere, than can be cut and drilled easily and mouted to tabs on the roll cage tubes thanks

[XJ_ranger]

ok i know im gonna hear seach search but i need a quick answer.

What other than original glass can i use as a windshield,please be sincere, than can be cut and drilled easily and mouted to tabs on the roll cage tubes thanks
lexan?

what do you need a windsheild for? Are you going to drive this to the trails?

[patf1234]

I need a windshield because i play in mud and i hate having mud come through my nonexistent window hole. On top of that there are a lot of trees where i wheel which means (door scrathers) and tree brances(tiny one)that may smack me dead in my face. Let me tell u what theres nothin like a 1/2 branch snaping from your a pillar to your eye ouch so i need some type of windshield

[MudDawg]

Get a helmet.

[rocklandxjer]

how about maybe a plexiglass windshield. but make it able to fold down (like wrangler ones, only make it easier to fold) this way when you dont want it, you dont have to have it up, but when you do, its there, and its cheap (ish), and easy (ish) to work with.

yes, i know its the same as lexan... i just dont see it shattering if its thick enough... not too thick of course

[patf1234]

i decided on plexiglass just because its dirt cheap and i will probly do a two piece design with removable panels. ill have a high tech drawing tommorow

[patf1234]

score Just got a set of front seat out of a lebaron, grey pleather baby
oh yeah and an added bonus a back seat which i will modify for the back area of heap

[vintagespeed]

did i miss the advanced fabrication part of this post?

[Mr.OverKill]

did i miss the advanced fabrication part of this post?nope, i think its comeing up in a few weeks, this part is the preabble to the advanced tech. :lecture:

[HaleYes]

I hope you're not going to drive that thing on the street!

Geez.

[BlueGerbil]

Congratulations,
you´ve fuglyfied another nice XJ.
:eek::puke:

[steelmen]

what are your plans with the cage?

[Phil]

what are your plans with the cage?

Looks like Fat Pat is going to joust with his opponents, using those spears on the top of the windsheild.

[brian r]

No more pics please..this thread is better left to the imagination:shocked:

[karstic]

Any progress?

[rcnerd]

You have to learn from experience......

[Gyro]

I think it's admirable to have the guts to tear something apart that was somewhat useful when you got it. I did the same thing with my first project and had the same ridicule flying at me for weeks. In the end though I had a rig that would take me anywhere I would point it, and never self destruct. I think your plans sound solid and you have a realistic vision of your goal. It's well worth the time and energy to build your own 4x4, even in the face of adversity. I think we're all rooting for you inside (some deeper down than others, I guess) so keep going and don't slow down...... Nobody will ever see the same potential in it that you see if you give up on it.

[WheelinJR]

what the ****?

[patf1234]

Hey guys no major progress just little stuff
I did get the factory seats out and started on the lebaron seat conversion
I also am working on getting a chevy 350 along with trans and t-case.
Also am going 2morrow to pick up some 1.75 dom tubing so should be pretty eventful next week

oh and i also got me a little compressor for christmas so now i can run some nice on board air(100% duty cycle baby)

Will post update mid next week

[frankenstang57]

wow,thisthreadissolongididaPHATpoohieinmypantsnowi needhelp...:cry:

[patf1234]

got the lebaron seat in man u gotta love pleather, started wiring quick connects front and rear for winch and jumper cables. will get pictures sonn. sry the trhead is o slow i just dont have time to get on here and post

[chris420]

I would use this project to learn how to weld. I dont think you could do any more damage to this XJ so have at it. I do not know a fabricator that does not know how to weld.

[patf1234]

well i got good news and bad news

i started getting welding lessons

but its to cold out to work on the rig

i am trying to line up some time in my pops shop 2 work on it

very little progress bent rear fenders and couple other pieces

[kewlkatdady]

are you going to make those "spears" in the front into a missle launcher system?

If Yes...are you planning missle capibilities for the rear?

[whitetrashxj]

wow, i cant believe that you tore that jeep to shit... i definitly wanna see this thing put back together... the forum says "advanced fabrication and engineering" not "bootyfab"

[Meeks]

Bootyfab? Thats not even bootyfab.. thats some guy taking garbage and zip tieing it to the Jeep he found in a Creekbed.

[kcsterling]

This thread has probably been the most entertaining thread I have read since happening on this site. You go man.

[rehab]

with metal prices the way they are, you could probably come out ahead if you gave up now and took it to the scrap yard.

[traitor5150]

I duno might be a bad idea to run that thing on the street seems a little crazy A 4.5 in lift!!! omg keep the speed down

[punker248]

Ok guys, stock knocking the crap out of this guy, he's just playing with a free truck, he doesn't claim that the current state is finished, or safe. Personally I kinda like rat rides. I certainly think this one has a long way to go before being ready, but it's just that.


IT'S NOT READY YET.

Can't a guy seek out a little support on here. I mean isn't that the point, to try new things? What's the worst that could happen, he ruins a free truck? It's not as if he's destroying a priceless rare antique vehicle, there are thousands, and tens of thousands of junkyard xjs around.

Justin

[RedHeep]

Ok guys, stock knocking the crap out of this guy, he's just playing with a free truck, he doesn't claim that the current state is finished, or safe. Personally I kinda like rat rides. I certainly think this one has a long way to go before being ready, but it's just that.


IT'S NOT READY YET.

Can't a guy seek out a little support on here. I mean isn't that the point, to try new things? What's the worst that could happen, he ruins a free truck? It's not as if he's destroying a priceless rare antique vehicle, there are thousands, and tens of thousands of junkyard xjs around.

Justin

I can't believe you resurrected a dead thread to talk trash. Go back to JU.

[87manche]

I can't believe you resurrected a dead thread to talk trash. Go back to JU.
x100
someone nominate this guy.

[ShaunBaker]

its gayer than aids

[Patriot4x4]

haha this shit's hilarious... :laugh2:

im kinda glad it was resurrected, never would have seen it since i just joined...

[DOOD]

I just wasted five minutes of my life I will never get back!!! This was obviously meant to be a joke... otherwise why would he waste time on the fabulous wire mesh windshield and rear gate.

[xj92]

I haven't laughed this much while reading a thread......ever. ;). Let's see some more pictures. If nothing else, sounds like fun hacking up a free XJ and experimenting.

[flyingphil]

Holly cow, what a peanut gallery, this reads like one of those weird spanish magazine soap operas, I don't pretend to know how to weld like a pro man, but for DAMN sure you won't see my $hit on the web, at least untill I learn not to suck. It just seems like too much grief(crap) to handle coming from people who can't help or point you in the right direction.

Hope everything turns out like you wanted man.

Phil:canada: