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DrMoab
June 30th, 2006, 10:23
Hey guys.
I am getting ready to write up an article on Deathwobble and its various causes.

After fighting with a buddies jeep for what seems like an eternity and seeing more threads here then I want to count I thought I would ask the question.

What caused YOUR death wobble?

Here is the rule. You can only reply to this if you know for certian what fixed your problem.

DrMoab
June 30th, 2006, 10:26
Thanks ahead of time for any replies. I will have an extensive write up on this when I collect enough data.

Stay tuned.

RyanM
June 30th, 2006, 10:31
Mine was an alignment issue. toe was too far toe'd in.

warn steering box ....:dunno:

zfinger
June 30th, 2006, 10:34
Went from 2 up to 6". and 30's to 33's.

Adj. Track bar first (still wobbled), then steering stabilizer, adj. lower control arms and an alignment. Fixed, each part did it's thing, if any one were missing, I'm sure it would still wobble.

DrMoab
June 30th, 2006, 10:39
Mine was an alignment issue. toe was too far toe'd in.

warn steering box ....:dunno:
Sorry that should have been worn...missed a letter. LOL Maybe a mod can fix that for me.

goodburbon
June 30th, 2006, 10:47
First time, I had DW it went away when I lifted it. 2 years later it is just starting to come back. (worn trac bar bushing and unit bearings going bad)

XJSpencer
June 30th, 2006, 11:12
I've has it on 2 xj's in the past. One from alignment/tires(stock CA's on DB's at 7" lift) and the other from Tire balance issues(at least that set it off).

I got it yesterday soo bad I had to come to a stop to stop it. A bad tire started it and it also had a loose connection on the driver side of the tie rod, a slightly worn TRE at the pitman and a loose spindle nut on the drivers side hub. I fixed all the hard parts and that got rid of the occilations. The replacement tire is coming. The tire shimmies after the smallest bumps. I don't run a stabilizer on this Jeep.(I wish I had one yesterday though)

If the alignment and tires are good, the frontend could be pretty loose and it won't death wobble.

Gravesdiggerxj
June 30th, 2006, 11:28
Mine was alignment (toe in) and caster

Mike1331
June 30th, 2006, 12:02
My shotty Pacer wheels were out of round

MudDawg
June 30th, 2006, 13:45
The Heep had two badly out of round (new TSL bias) tires...a little dance with the truing machine and the balance machine fixed it.

lesslimited
June 30th, 2006, 13:58
When we first got ours (as the wife's daily driver), it was caused by too much toe-in. Other than that, the only thing that's caused it has been out-of-balance tires, once from mud caught in the wheel, and more recently from a severly bent rim and a tire probably 1/4 full of creek water. The guys at Discount Tire got quite a treat when they changed the rim, after a few weeks of fermenting :D

And I don't run a steering stabilizer.

Brad M.
June 30th, 2006, 14:11
Mine was purely alignment related to 3.5" short arm kit - switched to 6" long arm kit and not a single wobble since (5 yrs ago)

nhrocker
June 30th, 2006, 14:55
First time I got DW was from having mismatched tires. I got some used tires and the fronts had worn more than the rears by almost 1/2". I had brought it to a shop to get some work done and they didn't realize the difference in size so I ended up with the matching tires on opposite corners. Once I hit about 45-50 it kicked in. Managed to get back to the shop and had them swap the tires around and it took care of it.

When it came back again it was due to running a stock track bar and CA's with a 3" lift. All the bushings were pretty much shot and the track bar's axle end bolt had wallowed out the hole. One bump at any speed over 40 and it would start.

Last time was after installing the new lift and long arm set up. I forgot to double check the alignment after going from 3" to 7". Pulled out of the garage to test drive it and realized my mistake before I even got down the block.

cracker
June 30th, 2006, 17:15
LCA bushings and Alignment hae caused some of mine. I had a wobble between 55-58 MPH for a couple of months.

Alignment wasn't too bad. A tape measure alignment fixed it both times. Didn't need to get it done at a shop.

cracker
June 30th, 2006, 17:17
Mine was purely alignment related to 3.5" short arm kit - switched to 6" long arm kit and not a single wobble since (5 yrs ago)

:bs:

Probably your bushings were worn OR you had some bunk angles. Short arms or long arms are not the causes of death wobble. I have had short, long, and now on mid. Actually the WORST issue was because of the long arms and the leverage they had on the bushings.

But what do I know? I don't wheel :rolleyes:

BRIANHO13
June 30th, 2006, 17:18
My uppers were too short.

cracker
June 30th, 2006, 17:32
My uppers were too short.

So the good castor was a problem? Or the pinion angle was way off?

Could it have been the bushings in your UCAs?

BRIANHO13
June 30th, 2006, 17:39
So the good castor was a problem? Or the pinion angle was way off?

Could it have been the bushings in your UCAs?

I believe it was the castor, iirc the bussings were fine.

JEEPTUBE
June 30th, 2006, 17:57
I bought a 97 with death wobble. The people that sold it to me gave me a rediculously good price. I drove it and yes it was super kano death wobble. It scared the bajanglies out of my friend. I laughed. I noticed right off the bat that it had a 2 inch shit lift. U know spacers and blocks. And i bet they didnt even allighn it.
So heres what i did.
I took the lift off, put all new bushings in the control arms. got it allighned and VWAP!!
No death wobble.
That was just to get rid of it so i could drive it around until i lifted it the right way.
About a year or 2 later i decided to put a 5.5 RE XD kit on with the drop brackets. got it allighned and everything ballanced. And BAM!! it was back again. Not super death but still there just waiting to go out of control. Since i replaced both axles and T-case and steering linkage i knew there was nothing else i could do really except check the steering box.
But i dont know the best way to check it if its ZANNOED!
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i205/JEEPTUBE/scan112JEEP2.jpg
Your probably wondering whats that stuff on your rack bars?
That is foam tubing with tape and silicone. I put that on so i could keep the canoe from sliding all over the place. It was cheap and it works really good. Has not changed color or fallen apart in almost 5 years. And the one ones on my 92 hasnt fallen apart in like 14 years

cracker
June 30th, 2006, 18:00
I believe it was the castor, iirc the bussings were fine.

Not that I am, trolling but........

If your UCA are on the short side, then your castor would be BETTER and if you took those off and then placed longer UCAs on it your castor would be WORSE.

How could getting WORSE castor solve a death wobble issue?

BRIANHO13
June 30th, 2006, 18:08
Not that I am, trolling but........

If your UCA are on the short side, then your castor would be BETTER and if you took those off and then placed longer UCAs on it your castor would be WORSE.

How could getting WORSE castor solve a death wobble issue?

Like I said I think the bushings were ok , and I doubt the pinion angle has anything to do with death wobble, so if its not the castor wtf would it be?

I put in longer uppers and it went away.

JEEPTUBE
June 30th, 2006, 18:10
EVERYTHING MUST BE PERFECT!! COIL FRONT END NEEDS TO HAVE PERFECT GEOMETRY FOR HIGH AND LOW SPEEDS. UNDER AND OUT OF COMPRESSION.

:attom:

I WISH THERE WAS JUST ONE ANSWER FOR THIS.
BUT IT WILL MOST LIKELY BE A CMBINATION OF THINGS.

:attom:

rock rash
June 30th, 2006, 20:12
stabalizer and driveshaft u joints in the rear were bad

Phager
June 30th, 2006, 20:19
2.5" of toe in due to the PO bending the tierod, was the cause of my DW. $15 tierod and ends at the junkyard and all is well.

Pat

mdl
July 1st, 2006, 06:20
But what do I know? I don't wheel :rolleyes:

Damn right you don't... friggin web wheeler.... :D


Mine was solved when I decided to get my alignment and get my tires balanced. Got em both done at the same time so I'm honestly not sure which caused it. My money is on the unbalanced tires. :)

Johnny V
July 1st, 2006, 08:53
Had death wobble twice...scared the crap out of me the first time and second time too.

Was fixed both times with new steering stabilizer.

But recently found my track bar at the frame mount had a "short" castle nut so it was never tightened down since I've own it...going on 12 years for my '89. But if it's the original track bar and castle nut it was never tightened from the beginning.

mdl
July 1st, 2006, 14:33
Had death wobble twice...scared the crap out of me the first time and second time too.

Was fixed both times with new steering stabilizer.

But recently found my track bar at the frame mount had a "short" castle nut so it was never tightened down since I've own it...going on 12 years for my '89. But if it's the original track bar and castle nut it was never tightened from the beginning.


You must understand the stabilizer is a bandaid right?

cracker
July 1st, 2006, 15:21
You must understand the stabilizer is a bandaid right?

Glad you said that.

Since I have been commenting on a lot of the posts on this thread I figured I wouldn't touch that one.

planefixer
July 1st, 2006, 19:01
1st gen. Rusty's steering + worn out/out of round tires.

Replaced both and death wobble ceased to exist.

Johnny V
July 1st, 2006, 19:07
You must understand the stabilizer is a bandaid right?

Yes I totally understand! At the time of my death wobbles I really didn't have the space - Brooklyn apartment - to work on my Jeep, so I had shops "fix" it for me.

That track bar was probably toast for a long while, but the bandaid fix worked kinda, as there was no more death wobble. But I had odd tire wear and the steering wheel did not center over 55mph. That was a mistry for a long while, the stabilizer fixed the death wobble but masked the real problem!

kubtastic
July 1st, 2006, 19:31
1 - very loose trackbar
2 - buddy added spacers which threw off the already precipitous alignment
3 - adjustable RE arms at the wrong lengths all over - but the toe in was correct!
In 2 and 3, changing the lengths in one of the 5 links fixed the problem.

goodburbon
July 2nd, 2006, 07:02
It is also interesting to note that even though I have had it twice, and for different reasons, the symptoms are identical. It just went into full convulsions again for the first time in over 2 years yesterday. New poly bushings and 2 year old steering stabilizer be damned.

SteelblueSteve
July 2nd, 2006, 08:01
Caster angle off and could not be brought into spec with stock control arms after lift. New longer than stock control arms and correction of caster fixed problem. To those considering lift kit without replacement control arms, this is why so many kits come with them, saves money and time in the long run.

cracker
July 3rd, 2006, 13:09
I have 37" MTRs that are NOT BALANCED on 8" of lift and NO steering stabilizer and I can drive (though I shouldn't) 80mph. I don't have death wobble :dunno:

Shomsky462
July 4th, 2006, 01:20
my rotors are warped...
and my ball joints might be bad but i was convinced otherwise when all the toyota guys told me i had burfeilds...

MoabXJeeper
July 4th, 2006, 11:43
As you know, I had DW's of the worst kind before I got rid of my Teracrap track bar. Bad bushings and then after I broke it in Moab had wobbles real bad (even though it was a great trail fix) until I finally replaced it two weeks later. Since I put the JKS track bar on I have never had a hint of wobblies....what a relief!

Not enough O's in smooth to describe JKS track bars...:D

hadfield4wd
July 5th, 2006, 14:18
Track bar.

ColoCherokees
July 5th, 2006, 14:40
My '96 w/RE 4.5" lift - Bad control arm bushings were the cause (fixed when replaced with RE Adj CAs).

Our '92 (stock) - Feeling the beginnings of DW, have replaced all TRE's, track bar and steering shaft, helped, but still there. Ball joints are still unreplaced (original?), but work will cease, the vehicle was sideswiped on the street by Boulder trash and will be gone soon.

wil4thril
July 6th, 2006, 11:07
1st time stock trac-bar wore out with a 3.5'' lift, replaced with a HD TB and problem went away

2nd time HD TB bolt on the axle was loose. I wrenched it down and no problems since...2 years ago.

You just have to be vigilant with coils up front. I know dudes with Rubicons that had DW also...

XJFreak
July 6th, 2006, 12:51
Mine was tie rod ends that were worn out. I am sure something else will pop up later.

JIMBOJAMES
July 6th, 2006, 18:25
I had horrible death wobble due to worn out ball joints.

XJHummerRescue
July 6th, 2006, 19:45
A combination of out of round tires and bad control arm bushings. New tires and control arms fixed the problem.

Menzenski
July 6th, 2006, 19:49
Mine was a bad front hub. My front end was more than a little messed up, but the hub going bad pushed it over the edge into death-wobble territory. Fixing that made the Jeep driveable again.

JJacobs
July 6th, 2006, 21:08
"steering stabilizer is a bandaid"-- Internet myth/ urban legend. BS.

I've personally had it caused by tires, LCA bushings, too much caster, too little caster, and wheel offset.

Menzenski
July 6th, 2006, 21:11
"steering stabilizer is a bandaid"-- Internet myth/ urban legend. BS.
Do you have anything to back that statement up? A properly set-up steering system doesn't even need a stabilizer, so I fail to see how a stabilizer could actually 'cure' death wobble.

JJacobs
July 6th, 2006, 21:19
Some factory systems need 'em and some don't, some lifted rigs go nuts without one and others are fine. It's one more element in a system- if the factory saw fit to install a stabilizer it was for a good reason.

An XJ unibody short arm suspension isn't really a tight system, it's more like a bunch of parts headed the same general direction at the same time. Why limit yourself by leaving a stabilizer off and calling it a bandaid? Put the damn thing on, odds are you'll need it.. but not everybody does.

Here's some (paraphrased) interesting reading.

PROBLEM:
Some 2005-2006 F-Super Duty vehicles may exhibit steering wheel oscillation (back and forth motion), immediately following front or rear wheel impacts (pavement joints, frost heaves, rough roads, etc.). Steering wheel motion is usually in the range of ± 5 degrees, and typically dampens out in fewer than five oscillations. (Although some will go into full blown wobble, which this TSB fixes) This condition occurs mostly on 4x4 vehicles, and is more evident on trucks equipped with a gas engine.

ACTION:
Refer to the following Service Procedure to minimize the steering wheel oscillations on impacts, however, there may be some remaining minor oscillation which would be considered normal. (!!)

SERVICE PROCEDURE

Perform the following:

Vehicle Inspection (first mentioned is condition of steering damper/ stabilizer)
Evaluation Of Vehicle Prior To Repair
Steering Gear Mesh Load Adjustment
Front Alignment and Reduce Front Caster
Replacement Of Redundant Control Steering Wheel (if equipped and vehicle built prior to 10/8/2004) (the 'system' thing again, an incorrectly weighted steering wheel can cause the problem)

So as you can see, a major manufacturer is still chasing wobble problems and a damper failure will cause DW *on that vehicle*, I'm not saying it's a direct cause on an XJ but something that can't be simply dismissed as a bandaid.

JKTXJ
July 8th, 2006, 18:28
I hate death wobble and my last bout lasted forever. I tried everything too (including golf balls :eek: ) and ultimately the only thing that worked was going from rubber LCA bushings to RE's new three piece poly unit.

Brad M.
July 17th, 2006, 20:06
:bs:

Probably your bushings were worn OR you had some bunk angles. Short arms or long arms are not the causes of death wobble. I have had short, long, and now on mid. Actually the WORST issue was because of the long arms and the leverage they had on the bushings.

But what do I know? I don't wheel :rolleyes:

Guess I should have explained better, was just trying to give a short, quick answer. Since the jeep was only 5 mo's old (bought new) when I put the first kit on there it's not likely that it was bushings. It was an RE kit with fixed arms. The alignment shop had a real hard time for some reason getting it dialed in but after some time on the phone with RE and a new set of adjustable LCA's they got it all straightened out. Once the alignment was where it needed to be the wobble was gone. Couple years later I upgraded to the Pricejacker 6" (and I stand corrected as that is considered more of a mid-arm kit than long arm) and have not had any issues with it either. So as I said in the original post it was alignment...

JEEPTUBE
July 17th, 2006, 22:36
I had violent evil demon wobbles. felt like it was going to rip itself apart.
Put new bushings on the control arms.
And it was 90 percent better.
Wheel bearings are good and i replaced all the TRE's and trackbar. Got an allighnment.
balanced tires. new shocks and stablizer.
But something is still there, just a hint of the evil.

JEEPTUBE
July 17th, 2006, 22:36
If it happenes again, ill just replace the heap!

PW1XJ99
July 18th, 2006, 14:40
My Jeep is getting a bad wobble now. It only does it when I'm slowing down between 60-40 MPH. Anything higher or lower and it doesn't wobble. It's not the rotors, they are new. Plus it wobbles like a mofo, not like warrped rotors.

It started doing it after I went wheelin' hard one day. I'm probably going to start with bushings.. Every bolt up front is tight and torqued. I do have a trac-bar off a TJ, (with less than 3,000 miles) I wonder if that will bolt up.. hehe, If not maybe I can press the bushing out and put it in mine.

(I won't vote til I figure it out)

PW1XJ99
July 18th, 2006, 14:57
Score I also have new LCA's from the same TJ with less then 3,000 miles in them! I'll start with the tracbar, and see if it still does it. I don't want to replace everyting at once, because I want to know the cause!!!!!! :gonnablow

Nickster
July 18th, 2006, 21:29
I had a severe case of dw with 8'' lift , d44/9'', and crossover steering. I bought dedenbear ford flat tops, parts mike high steer arms, and fabbed a high steer setup. New bfg mt's, alignment, everything i can think of is tight, every bushing/bearing/bolt/joint/and screw is stout... and with a total of 2500$ my dw is STILL there, the LCA bushing on the diff. side is warped though, so im going with a poly piece... that could be the key to success.:dunno:

XJSpencer
July 18th, 2006, 21:48
I had a severe case of dw with 8'' lift , d44/9'', and crossover steering. I bought dedenbear ford flat tops, parts mike high steer arms, and fabbed a high steer setup. New bfg mt's, alignment, everything i can think of is tight, every bushing/bearing/bolt/joint/and screw is stout... and with a total of 2500$ my dw is STILL there, the LCA bushing on the diff. side is warped though, so im going with a poly piece... that could be the key to success.:dunno:

steering gear?

I think mine is still lingering because of steering gear has a lot of play. I'm going to adjust it this weekend....or..replace it.

Nickster
July 19th, 2006, 11:42
The steering box/gear is a viable option, and i 2nd the alignment/tire balance issue. I have a lot of play up front but no DW b/c of the alignment and tire balance i just got done. Any one use or familiar with the dyna beads for tire balancing and how worthy they are for tire balancing?

P1atinum
July 19th, 2006, 14:47
Not really death wobble but had some shaking due to Alignment caused by a bad ball joint, which in turn chopped the tires and made it worse.

MATTVW65
July 19th, 2006, 16:44
Heres the deal, I had Big O tires do some adusting on my front end and who knows why, but they took my track bar off. Well they put everything back togetther and about 2 weeks latter major death wobble occured. Come to find out after closer inspection when they replaced the track bar they installed it on the outside of the bracket so it had worked its way loose. Needless to say, I recieved a big apology, a free alighnment and a refund on the work that was previously done. I guess I looked mad.

raypla
July 21st, 2006, 15:30
Not to highjack or nothing, but I felt it was better than starting a new thread, first off 99 XJ AW4 2 " OME lift.

I never had DW before the lift and I already had an alignment after, then I lifted my XJ and I was going down the highway at about 70-75mph, and bam DW. But thats not my only problem, and I searched like a Son of A beotch, when ever I hit a pot hole, frost heave, or something else in the road, there is this rattling noise (sounds like a baby rattle) coming from the front end. I'm pretty sure this is the cause of the DW.

I got down on my hands and knees looked all over, grabbed everything and shook it up and down all over. I couldn't find jack took the wheel off and shook everything, nothing. My swaybar bushings are worn pretty good, disconnected my swaybar ends and took a ride around the block, still there.

Its getting worse and the rattle was there even before my lift. I checked my trackbar, nice and tight. Everything under ther "seems" to be tight, being summer and all riding around w/the windows down its starting to get extremely annoying. Its so bad it makes me want to:puke:

PLEASE HELP :confused: :dunno:

PW1XJ99
July 21st, 2006, 19:11
I put a another track bar on today from a TJ that had 3,000 miles on it.

Still got it. Oh, and now I need an alignment but I'm going to wait til I put the new (to me) LCA's on. I hope after I get the alignment it might go away. :explosion

fireLt.
July 22nd, 2006, 03:26
Crappy track bar and steering linkage geometry issues. Relocated a replacement custom track bar to the top of the axle and went to a custom steering set up.

PW1XJ99
July 23rd, 2006, 16:36
Insted of doing the LCA's, I had the rotors turned and put on new brake pads.

The left rotor was really warped. The left side caliper was stuck cause of the 2 caliper pins. I had originally greased them with wheel bearing grease (yeah I know)..... When I'd hit the brakes even the squeak sounded warped. Anyway, I hope it goes away now. I'm still going to use the TJ LCA's since I already have them.

ZachMan
July 23rd, 2006, 17:05
Tires, wheels, alignment and tracbar are the biggest. Myself its always been tires and alignment.

PW1XJ99
July 23rd, 2006, 17:24
I'm begining to think all XJ's have DW.

It's just, what sets it off? :shhh: LOL

NSW Sparky
July 23rd, 2006, 19:50
I got mine from having one shock attached a the other side not. After I put in my lift I had to drive to the parts store to get bolts for one of the shocks so I just left that one out it death wobbled at 45 and I could not get past it. I have also had it from mud in the wheels, loose lower track bar mount, and now I get it from bad toe out from worn out tires. And once it does it once it is easy for it to do it agan.

Big Red
August 13th, 2006, 00:37
I have DW at weird times in my 98' XJ. I can feel it coming on and then slow down before it strikes full force. I added a 2" BB with spacers and blocks, but didn't get a alignment yet. How much out of alignment can a 2" spacer lift put you? I bought this Jeep in Illinois and drove it cross country to Cali (2,200 miles) with no problems, so I really think it needs a good alignment. This Jeep was stolen and quickly recovered recently in Cali, so it is possible it was joy rided a bit. My Jeep was missing the tires/rims and few other things like floor mats and steering wheel cover. It was suprisingly spared past these items I lost and I put on a set of tires and drove it the 5 miles back home. I didn't drive the Jeep that much so hopefully it just needs a good alignment, I tried jiggling stuff and everything appears tight with no play, including the ball joints by trying to jiggle the top of the tire with the weight on tires. Should I lift the Jeep and try jiggling the tire to diagnose bad ball joints?

I had death wobble a few blocks from my house doing like 50 or so, slowed down almost to a stop, it went away and then I still drove another 10 miles staying under 70 and didn't feel it starting again, drove back home (another 10 miles and no DW). It's so frustrating, because you'd think you'd have when you drive over a certain speed, or a hit bump etc, but it sometimes comes and other times it's fine. I tell you that after you have DW, you are very cautious. I had it at 90 for the 1st time and was totally scared, I thought it was my crappy tires that are almost all the way worn, but now I put on some good street tires 235x75x15 and I still have it.

I had death wobble really bad on a $300 91' XJ I picked up, it had bad tires and once I replaced them, it was gone. Thanks for getting this poll thread set up, it should really help that we can at least point to some concrete things like the track bar, or worn bushings, steering ends and hopefully cure it. There are so many things it can be, but this thread helps a lot and you can see some trends.

Troy

POLAR_JEEP_04
September 3rd, 2006, 00:39
my skyjacker trac bar drop that came with the lift broke (stress crack) ditch that and went with a rough country adjustable trac bar and everything is cool for now

Big Red
September 6th, 2006, 17:13
I replaced the steering stabalizer and all is good again, no death wobble. The old S.S. looked to be an original on my 98' with 131K miles, time for a beefy bigger/new one.

Now I can drive and not be worried that the death wobble will return. It sure sucks to drive like a granny and keep it under 60. :D

Vince
November 5th, 2006, 15:02
I replaced my broken left hand motor yesterday with a urethane mount and found the wobble at 55mph has gone.

bacelaw
November 5th, 2006, 15:58
wheel bearings were giving me a wobble and crazy thumping/whirring at highway speed.

wrecked
November 5th, 2006, 16:18
My DW was caused by the track bar mount and engine mount. The two bolt together on the inside of the frame rails and the point that ran up to the motor mount cracked off. Being that it cracked, my track bar mount would flex and at high speeds or on hard bumps it would flex, eventually loosening wollowing out my trackbar mount.

-Kevin

PapaGeno21
November 5th, 2006, 16:29
I had it real bad. Stock Control arms bushings were shot, so I got new LCA's. That took away about 80% of it. Then I got new tires and it completely fixed it.

merlintocherokee
November 5th, 2006, 19:10
I had to vote "other", Lower ball joints. Often over looked.

CraigMBA
August 3rd, 2009, 22:05
Mine had 335K and it showed up after I had changed the bumpstop (the old ones deteriorated and fell apart). I figured what the heck, I've never put any front end parts in it (I bought it new).

So far, I have changed:

- Steering dampner (WORSE)
- Replaced wasted stock UCA and LCA with Currie pieces and new axle bushings (got rid of a lot of wierd noises, flexes much better, quieter, NO DW CHANGE)
- Checked alignment (was in spec, no change)
- Replaced stock track bar (MUCH IMPROVED, still there)

The steering box is leaking and the drag link is worn and it needs tires. It's certainly managable right now.

XJumpmaster
August 4th, 2009, 17:06
Holy 2 1/2 years later, Batman!

It's all good though. I needed this thread today, ironically.

Monkey55
August 4th, 2009, 18:02
:roflmao::roflmao:

I just submitted my response without even looking at the date...... lol...


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nochance9
August 4th, 2009, 20:37
For me the only thing that fixed it was getting a long arm kit, tried EVERYTHING else for two years. After the long arm was in i haven't felt even the smallest little bit of death wobble no matter what i hit.

dgrigorenko
August 4th, 2009, 20:52
i also submitted my response to this without looking at the date. nothing wrong with bringing this back, maybe it will reduce the number of DW threads popping up

just for the sake of info: long arms cured mine. plain and simple.

96TNXJ
August 4th, 2009, 21:46
The DW I just got rid of was due to uneven wear of the tires that I bought from someone else (they didnt originally do that) But new wheels and tires fixed it right up!!!

goodburbon
August 4th, 2009, 22:50
Long arms did not fix mine...

robs
November 15th, 2009, 07:40
Was hoping long arms was the answer. I've replaced everything and can't get speed related (40mph) or bump related DW fixed.

All bushings are new. Hubs. Ball joints. Everything is tight. Was tolerable until the tie rod flip (which made me give up the stabalizer). Getting one back on is next.

mflueras
November 15th, 2009, 08:26
Had two jeeps that had DW. 2000 WJ had DW due to a bad upper ball joint and worn tie rod end. Ended up replacing all ball joints, tie rod, drag link, tie rod ends for the cure.

My 99 XJ had horrible DW from a worn track bar bushing. Tie rods were on the worn side, too. I replaced the track bar with RE 1660 and ran currie's hd steering FTW.

zachandandy
July 9th, 2011, 07:02
I've had dw from almost every possible cause over the years. I've found running a little toe out will make dw go away no matter the cause. Last weekend, got dw from a worn tierod end. No parts store in the area, toi the tires out an extra 1/2" and no dw. The only drawback to toe out is it makes the jeep wander due to less return to center force. Fwiw I replaced the worn tierod as soon as I was near a parts store.

SleeperXJ
July 9th, 2011, 09:38
Funny this thread would reappear at this time.
My wife had her tires rotated @ the tire store which resulted in some front end wobble.
Of coarse the sales guy tried to sell her a steering damper which she declined.
I swapped the front tires, that fixed it.

Voteban
July 10th, 2011, 00:51
I don't know if this counts as contributing, but my dad just fixed his slight bit of DW in his JK.

A bad alignment way prematurely wore out his ball joints, giving him DW whenever his front tires became a little unweighted at higher speeds (IE going over bumps / DR Moab should know about the drive around the west side of Utah Lake, it was pretty bad out there.)

It's funny, even with a bent D30 and all kinds of worn out bushings and TREs I've never experienced DW in my XJ. :thumbup:

xjbrian219
July 10th, 2011, 17:41
Mine was due to track bar bushing, drivers hub assembly, and a broke driver side ball joint....all due to jumping 5 1/2 feet and all the weight landing on the driver side front wheel... which was a 15x10 with a 33x12.50... hehehe

Hellbent
July 10th, 2011, 18:08
dw is weird stuff. drove the mj for months with a totally sloppy pitman shaft in the steering box, a very worn out track bar, and a driveway alignment....never got a hint of death wobble at any speed, even on the worst san diego roads. wtf?