Owner told to take down "peace" wreath ! WTF!

[WB9YZU]

It will be some time before I get off the floor as I am laughing so hard!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061127/ap_on_re_us/anti_peace_sign

This person hangs a nice wreath and some azzhat doesn't like the fact it's also a peace symbol?

What does a regular wreath represent to you?

To me it represents "Peace on Earth and Good will towards man".

Ron

[SanDiegoXJ]

Hehe, those crazy liberals! =)

:doh:

[ECKSJAY]

Why do people whine about that when they belong to the HOA?

No surprise there though.

[WB9YZU]

Seems to me that there are very few newer neighborhoods that don't have a Home Owners Association.

The point was that it's peace sign durring the period which we celebrate the birth of Christ that is causing all the fuss.

The Irony of it all :D

Ron

[Tom R.]

Yeah, can you believe that some of the residents took offense because they thought it represents the Iraqi war? And others think it's a Satanic symbol. Some people just need to get a life. :smsoap:

[stewie]

The subdivision's rules say no signs, billboards or advertising are permitted without the consent of the architectural control committee.

Kearns ordered the committee to require Jensen to remove the wreath, but members refused after concluding that it was merely a seasonal symbol that didn't say anything. Kearns fired all five committee members.



well, aint that democratcy at work. "hey rule the way i say or ill fire you!" kearns should be Biatch slapped.

[Powerman]

This may come as a shock to some of you, but I can find absolutely nothing to defend about that. I like a good argument, but there is nothing there. Asshat:doh:

[red91]

Seems to me that there are very few newer neighborhoods that don't have a Home Owners Association.

The point was that it's peace sign durring the period which we celebrate the birth of Christ that is causing all the fuss.

The Irony of it all :D

Ron


Good thing we voted down our HOA this week....I'm pretty sure a star of David would have a riot in the streets...:D

[RichP]

They need to put a picture of Kearns in websters under the definition of 'Scrooge'.

[RTicUL8]

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:ViHMO4Bq0nHLAM:http://www.toursaudiarabia.com/pictures/crescents.gif

HOA: Hey, is that a religious symbol!??:mad:

Homeowner: Mmmm...nope. It's a new-age thing. Moon, stars, & stuff.:D

HOA: Uh....okay.:confused:

[bjoehandley]

They need to put a picture of Kearns in websters under the definition of 'Scrooge'.

Prick would be more like it.........

Hehe, those crazy liberals! =)



Didn't look too liberal to me, seemed more like a conservative that doesn't know his arse from a hole in the ground

[scorpio_vette]

besides, wouldn't that fall under the whole "freedom of speech and the right to express yourself"??? oh right i forgot.....freedom of speech is only ok as long as you don't offend anybody after that you're screwed.

[ECKSJAY]

besides, wouldn't that fall under the whole "freedom of speech and the right to express yourself"??? oh right i forgot.....freedom of speech is only ok as long as you don't offend anybody after that you're screwed.

No, that's 'Freedom of speech and right to express yourself unless you're naive enough to think you've got the same after paying a homeowner's association.'

Ficksed. :D

[radardog]

.........wow........just wow.

what the **** is the world coming to

[XJMK]

[QUOTE]
Three or four residents complained, he said.

The association in this 200-home subdivision...

...sent a letter to her saying that residents were offended by the sign...
[\QUOTE]

Three or four people out of a 200 home subdivision complained and it leads to this. Thats outrageous.

[Matthew Currie]

[QUOTE]
Three or four residents complained, he said.

The association in this 200-home subdivision...

...sent a letter to her saying that residents were offended by the sign...
[\QUOTE]

Three or four people out of a 200 home subdivision complained and it leads to this. Thats outrageous.

What I find most outrageous is that anybody whose brain has not been removed at the neck would think that it's reasonable to give credence to the contention that the peace symbol is "satanic." The idea that such a stupendously incorrect and (literally, as far as I'm concerned) insane notion should be the standard for accepting or rejecting a christmas decoration is stupid in the extreme. I think in this society, the word STUPID is way under-utilized.

[SanDiegoXJ]

Didn't look too liberal to me, seemed more like a conservative that doesn't know his arse from a hole in the ground

Well here in San Diego its the liberal morons that get all offended by a symbol of Christianity saying it offends the Atheists. Of course, being an atheist myself, I find it a little difficult to understand how something you don't believe in can be offensive in the first place. But I guess thats just me being silly again :anon:

[remsing]

I've been to Iraq and I find that symbol completely offensive. The children will see it and start wishing for peace to Satan and who knows what else. How can people be so insensitive to our vets?

[yardape]

NOBODY is going to like this but when you sign on the dotted line in an HOA you are signing on to a contract that has rules and bylaws. Its not a democracy and doesn't pretend to be. Its every HOA owner's responsibility to be aware of and adhere to the bylaws and follow them or they shouldn't sign on. Its pretty simple stuff. Lots of people understandably and justifiably have issues with that living lifestyle and shouldn't be in that living situation. I used to be on the Board of Directors in an HOA,... a thankless volunteer job that I will NEVER take again. I remember 2 lawyers moving into one of the condos where there was a size limitation for pets. They moved in with 2 huge dobermans presumably knowing full well what the regulations stipulated. Sooner than later somebody complained and eventually legal action proceeded. They thought that they were above it all but eventually they moved out. HOA life isn't for everybody, particularly people who like to live outside the box. Alot of the bylaws are created for good reason that many homeowners don't understand. Much of it has to do with maintaining the property value and curb appeal of the homes. I live in an HOA that, like most HOA's doesn't allow me to work on my Jeep at the curb or parking spot. I knew that moving in and respect it. I recognize that most homeowners don't care to see me out in the street with tools and parts all over the place and potentially staining the pavement with oil a and grease spots. It just doesn't look good to prospective buyers. That's why I have a place with a garage. Nor does a community that allows homeowners to hang signs and whatever else they feel like to include peace signs, football banners, election year campaign posters,.... you name it. The bylaws are drafted and enforced for the benefit of the whole,.. not the individual,.. and to maintain property value. Granted its pretty vanilla living but everyone has the choice of signing on or not.

[yardape]

NOBODY is going to like this but when you sign on the dotted line in an HOA you are signing on to a contract that has rules and bylaws. Its not a democracy and doesn't pretend to be. Its every HOA owner's responsibility to be aware of and adhere to the bylaws and follow them or they shouldn't sign on. Its pretty simple stuff. Lots of people understandably and justifiably have issues with that living lifestyle and shouldn't be in that living situation. I used to be on the Board of Directors in an HOA,... a thankless volunteer job that I will NEVER take again. I remember 2 lawyers moving into one of the condos where there was a size limitation for pets. They moved in with 2 huge dobermans presumably knowing full well what the regulations stipulated. Sooner than later somebody complained and eventually legal action proceeded. They thought that they were above it all but eventually they moved out. HOA life isn't for everybody, particularly people who like to live outside the box. Alot of the bylaws are created for good reason that many homeowners don't understand. Much of it has to do with maintaining the property value and curb appeal of the homes. I live in an HOA that, like most HOA's doesn't allow me to work on my Jeep at the curb or parking spot. I knew that moving in and respect it. I recognize that most homeowners don't care to see me out in the street with tools and parts all over the place and potentially staining the pavement with oil a and grease spots. It just doesn't look good to prospective buyers. That's why I have a place with a garage. Nor does a community that allows homeowners to hang signs and whatever else they feel like to include peace signs, football banners, election year campaign posters,.... you name it. The bylaws are drafted and enforced for the benefit of the whole,.. not the individual,.. and to maintain property value. Granted its pretty vanilla living but everyone has the choice of signing on or not.

Not to mention that they also don't let me let the place get rundown. the HOA does periodic home inspections that let homeowners know when exterior work needs to be done. I don't, but some people need coaxing because they don't want to pay someone to come in and piant and repair or whatever and lack the ability to do it themselves. Again, some folks may find this offensive but it's all about enforcing the bylaws and architectural standards so as to maintain everyones property value for the benefit of the whole. OK,.. I'm done. :spin1:

[non-stick]

Exactly why when I left Norhtern VA I told my realtor that if she took me to see any home that had an HOA she would be canned on the spot! She understood quite clearly and complied.

I now live in a nice established neighborhood with no HOA and none of the "problems" that HOAs are supposed to be there to prevent.

Sad to say but they signed the HOA covenants; take it down or pay the fines. Life's a biatch when you sign your rights away to the HOA.

[Matthew Currie]

Exactly why when I left Norhtern VA I told my realtor that if she took me to see any home that had an HOA she would be canned on the spot! She understood quite clearly and complied.

I now live in a nice established neighborhood with no HOA and none of the "problems" that HOAs are supposed to be there to prevent.

Sad to say but they signed the HOA covenants; take it down or pay the fines. Life's a biatch when you sign your rights away to the HOA.

While that's true, in the case cited, first of all, the interpretation of the rule was insanely stupid, and really far from reasonable in the first place, and the HOA itself did not vote for the ban, but the chairman fired them all.

I still wouldn't ever move any place that required such covenants, but you can't use covenants to justify every lunatic fringe stupidity that comes around either.

[SteelblueSteve]

One man's wreath is another man's weapon of mass destruction.......or something like that. Gives whole new meaning to the phrase "peace out".

[gigage]

Last I heard hoa backed down and apologized, and this Bob Kearns changed his phone # because of all the calls he got. And the lady had offers from people to help pay for the fines, Maybe this is still the America I remember.

[bjoehandley]

Last I heard hoa backed down and apologized, and this Bob Kearns changed his phone # because of all the calls he got. And the lady had offers from people to help pay for the fines, Maybe this is still the America I remember.

Now thye just need to force his arse out of "office" and put somebody who has less ego in his place.

[aspera]

NOBODY is going to like this but when you sign on the dotted line in an HOA you are signing on to a contract that has rules and bylaws.

...and contracts are made to be renegotiated, sometimes right on the spot. The problem is that most people never get the leverage that they need when they need it. In this case, it looks like Kearns pissed off most of the United States...with predictable results. Peace wreath 1, HOA 0.