Trails and Trail Leaders.

[DrMoab]

We are working on trails right now and before I put them up I thought I would ask....

Does anyone have any special requests?

Also is there anyone who would like to lead a paticular trail?

After the troubles I went through last year finding leaders I thought maybe this year it would be easier to find the leaders first.

PM me if you are interested in Leading anything.

[Rock Yacht]

PM sent

[DrMoab]

PM sent
Gotcha down...and the others. Soon(within a week or so) I will have the trail list up. Then you guys can fight over them.

A question for the rest of you though?

Do you want to see the same old regular trails that are done almost every year or something new?

I personally would like to run a few different trails. They still all have to be Red rock EJS trails but it seems like we do the same ones every year.

Im thinking of shaking it up a little this year.

[Kejtar]

Gotcha down...and the others. Soon(within a week or so) I will have the trail list up. Then you guys can fight over them.

A question for the rest of you though?

Do you want to see the same old regular trails that are done almost every year or something new?

I personally would like to run a few different trails. They still all have to be Red rock EJS trails but it seems like we do the same ones every year.

Im thinking of shaking it up a little this year.
New trails are fun but I don't think it'd be a Fall Fling without Hells Revenge, Metal Masher, Steel Bender and couple others.

[GSequoia]

I don't know the trails well enough to be a leader - the only one that I would feel totally comfortable leading is Hell's Revenge - problem being I don't know enough about Hell's Gate and Escalator to feel comfortable with 'em, dig?

I will say that I will gladly tail gun on any trail I'm on.

[Geepfreak]

I will say that I will gladly tail gun on any trail I'm on.


you can bring up the rear on any trail with me G...:kissyou:

[rokclimbertx]

i'll throw some out...

flat iron mesa
hey joe canyon
lockhart basin


is there anything out in the castle valley area?

[Mike in NJ]

i'll throw some out...

flat iron mesa
hey joe canyon
lockhart basin


is there anything out in the castle valley area?

Back in 2004, a couple of us did Hey Joe and, unless the tamarisk has died back, this is not the run for anyone even remotely concerned about "pinstriping".

Having said that, I agree that this would be a good candidate as an alternative, scenic moderate run dropping down to the Green river, run along the river, and ending up for lunch at the abandoned mine. Couple of narrow spots, but not particularly difficult. Should appeal to the "adventurous" NAXJA-ites looking to explore.

As is Lockhart Basin - but, that's a long, long, long day and a lot of road miles coming back (unless you just run down to the Colorado at the halfway point and come back). Those moderate, exploration-oriented drivers that don't mind a long black-top drive might be tempted by a run down to the Needles, and the climb over Elephant Hill to the Confluence Overlook - provides another adventure trip with scenic destination.

Wish I could get back there this year - 2007 for sure!

Mike in NJ :patriot:

[seanR]

hey joe canyon
I have wanted to do that one!
I would be interested in it
I have never run it before, but "the book" makes it seem simple to navigate...

[xjblue]

Wish I could get back there this year - 2007 for sure!

Mike in NJ :patriot:

Going to have to hold you to that then Mike but you really shouldn't take 4 year breaks between fall flings!

Hey Joe Canyon would be right down my alley as well.

Ryan I also have an idea for an excellent easy run in an essentially neglected corner of the Moab area, fun for stockers, relaxing and scenic with cool overlooks of one of the more popular trails.

[GSequoia]

I agree with Jarod Mike.

You should hit 2007 AND 2008 - 2008 should work out to be a big year after all :D

[seanR]

I have been trying to get the location of the "hidden trail" that was in fourwheeler this month.

If I can get it that would be a great location to go for a day.

[Geepfreak]

I have been trying to get the location of the "hidden trail" that was in fourwheeler this month.

If I can get it that would be a great location to go for a day.
http://images1.snapfish.com/34766%3C759%7Ffp339%3Enu%3D3253%3E6%3B8%3E935%3EWS NRCG%3D323397465%3A846nu0mrj
http://images1.snapfish.com/34766%3C759%7Ffp46%3Dot%3E2344%3D7%3A9%3D%3A26%3DX ROQDF%3E23237%3A%3B474483ot1lsi


I know where it is....hehehehe

[XJEEPER]

Me 2.....

[seanR]

Ain't you guys special!:D
lets have a look at it in October.

[rokclimbertx]

anyone know cameo cliffs? just found this... looks interesting... moderate in rating maybe

http://www.4x4now.com/trutcm.htm

[rokclimbertx]

strike ravine
3-D

justa coupla others i found...

[Handlebars]

Do you want to see the same old regular trails that are done almost every year or something new?

I personally would like to run a few different trails. They still all have to be Red rock EJS trails but it seems like we do the same ones every year.



How about the Narrows of Onion Creek? Arch Canyon and Hole in the Rock are on the EJS list. Arch Canyon is also on the SUWA's hit list...

Hole in the Rock would be best done over 2 nights, Arch Cyn. would be an overnighter.

[Mike in NJ]

How about the Narrows of Onion Creek?

The Onion Creek trail, although scenic as it runs below Fischer Towers and the Top of the World rim, is not much more than a dirt road with several water crossings. (and yes, it does have that familiar aroma at the narrows!) Not much of a draw.

UNLESS you're going to use it to reach Rose Garden Hill.

When we were putting together a Top of the World run a few years back, I wanted to make a full loop of 128 to Dewey Bridge - Top of the World - Rose Garden - (back out to 128 thru Onion Creek), but thought the Hill would be too much for a mild stocker run, so we just stuck to the script and did TOW. If you did add the full loop, the only problem area might be route finding between TOW and the Hill - just make sure you have a leader who's run it before, or is good at navigation.

MG

[Clint]

The Onion Creek trail, although scenic as it runs below Fischer Towers and the Top of the World rim, is not much more than a dirt road with several water crossings. (and yes, it does have that familiar aroma at the narrows!) Not much of a draw.

UNLESS you're going to use it to reach Rose Garden Hill.

When we were putting together a Top of the World run a few years back, I wanted to make a full loop of 128 to Dewey Bridge - Top of the World - Rose Garden - (back out to 128 thru Onion Creek), but thought the Hill would be too much for a mild stocker run, so we just stuck to the script and did TOW. If you did add the full loop, the only problem area might be route finding between TOW and the Hill - just make sure you have a leader who's run it before, or is good at navigation.

MG

We ran the onion creek to rose garden hill over to TOW for the IC chapter Moab run this may.I would not recomend taking a stocker up Rose Garden. There are a few spots before you even get to the hill it's self where the stockers that were with us had to turn around. Of the rigs that continued, 3 were locked and 1 wasn't. I happened to be the who wasn't locked. There are some pretty good ledges at the top of the hill.

TOW is a nice trail, but if you come from the main road and not go around through rose garden, its a short trail. This last time, the stockers who turned around earlier in the day met up with us on the main road and had no problems getting up to the top. Boatwrench led that stocker group who turned around, they found some good scenery on their alternate path I think.

[Handlebars]

The Onion Creek trail, although scenic as it runs below Fischer Towers and the Top of the World rim, is not much more than a dirt road with several water crossings. (and yes, it does have that familiar aroma at the narrows!) Not much of a draw.
The permit for EJS allows them to take the creek bed through the slot canyon that the Onion Creek Road climbs up above. Imagine driving through a narrow, deep, serpentine slot, filled from side to side with the creek. The ranch in Fisher Valley uses the narrows to drive in tractors and such that don't fit on the shelf road. It would still be a stocker trail, but I think it would be the most amazingly scenic drive in the Moab area. That part is thouroghly marked with "no route" signs, but you can get a permit to drive it.

[Mike in NJ]

The permit for EJS allows them to take the creek bed through the slot canyon that the Onion Creek Road climbs up above.

I had no idea that the creek was allowable by permit, Alex - saw some ATV's running down through there while I was on the road and was annoyed - thought it was some yahoos being jerks and tearing up the ground!

If a permit can be obtained, then I'd agree it would be a very worthwhile diversion, and since Clint has re-confirmed my remembrance of RG Hill conditions - careful thought would have to be given to the type of total run that should be considered.

I've always liked that 128 area towards Dewey Bridge, not the h/c challenges of other Moab areas, but a damn nice region to ride for a change of pace.

(Damn! All this TALK about Moab is driving me nuts - I really, really need to get back there and just can't do it in 2006! I know, I could stop reading about Fallfest, but then what Forum do I look at here - Whinefest '06 on the Member Boards?:shocked: )

MG

[DrMoab]

The permit for EJS allows them to take the creek bed through the slot canyon that the Onion Creek Road climbs up above. Imagine driving through a narrow, deep, serpentine slot, filled from side to side with the creek. The ranch in Fisher Valley uses the narrows to drive in tractors and such that don't fit on the shelf road. It would still be a stocker trail, but I think it would be the most amazingly scenic drive in the Moab area. That part is thouroghly marked with "no route" signs, but you can get a permit to drive it.
Are you sure it still is? I thought this was one of the things that got nixed this year.

Anyway. We need two trails a day. One easy and one difficult.

[Handlebars]

I had no idea that the creek was allowable by permit, Alex - saw some ATV's running down through there while I was on the road and was annoyed - thought it was some yahoos being jerks and tearing up the ground!
It was some yahoos- as far as I know, EJS and the Fisher Valley ranch are the only ones permitted to drive down there. The narrows get poached all of the time despite the signs.


(Damn! All this TALK about Moab is driving me nuts - I really, really need to get back there and just can't do it in 2006! I know, I could stop reading about Fallfest, but then what Forum do I look at here - Whinefest '06 on the Member Boards?:shocked:)

MG

How about a fix? :wierd:
http://www.fototime.com/6AABCE4FC1CED6C/orig.jpg

[Clint]

It was some yahoos- as far as I know, EJS and the Fisher Valley ranch are the only ones permitted to drive down there. The narrows get poached all of the time despite the signs.




How about a fix? :wierd:
http://www.fototime.com/6AABCE4FC1CED6C/orig.jpg


That looks like our Kane Creek run this year (backed up 2-3 hours waiting for medi-vac).


http://www.young-fam.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=624&g2_serialNumber=2

[Handlebars]

Are you sure it still is? I thought this was one of the things that got nixed this year.



I'm not sure if it got taken away, I searched all of the old threads on the EJS permit renewal and found nothing. If we get the ok to do the Narrows, I will lead it!


Anyway. We need two trails a day. One easy and one difficult.
Are we only doing 2 trails a day this year, instead of the 3~4 in previous Fall Flings?

[Geepfreak]

From my buddies wifes, girlfriends son's brother in law's dad. NO! THE NARROWS ARE NOT permitted! EJS was allowed a permit to drive through.so Maybe we can aquire a permit from the BLM. but otherwise it's a NO GO!

[seanR]

I'm not sure if it got taken away, I searched all of the old threads on the EJS permit renewal and found nothing. If we get the ok to do the Narrows, I will lead it!
I would be in on that one!

[David B.]

It was some yahoos- as far as I know, EJS and the Fisher Valley ranch are the only ones permitted to drive down there. The narrows get poached all of the time despite the signs.




How about a fix? :wierd:
http://www.fototime.com/6AABCE4FC1CED6C/orig.jpg
What front bumper is this???????

[DrMoab]

Are we only doing 2 trails a day this year, instead of the 3~4 in previous Fall Flings?
Sorry. No we will be doing 3-4. For some reason I was thinking of the IC run in the spring when I said that.

[WayneXJ]

I could lead a smaller group on Pritchett one of the days.

[DrMoab]

I could lead a smaller group on Pritchett one of the days.
Pritchett won't be a small group. It is one of the most popular trails. If you want to lead it count on a bigger group.

[WayneXJ]

Count me out then.

[XJSpencer]

I'd like to run The Spike while I'm down this time.

[Geepfreak]

I'd like to run The Spike while I'm down this time.
<evilgrin> I'll be your trail leader:hang: for that one if they let me...:D

[DaveW]

I'd like to run The Spike while I'm down this time.<evilgrin> I'll be your trail leader:hang: for that one if they let me...:D
It will take a lot longer to tow him off of the spike than Kane Creek or AF Canyon:D

[Andy Steiner]

Are you sure it still is? I thought this was one of the things that got nixed this year.

Anyway. We need two trails a day. One easy and one difficult.
Only two? Haven't we had three runs per day in other years? (Easy. Moderate. And "Areyououtofyourfrikkin'mind???"
Or was that just for the 20th anniversary fling?

[Handlebars]

After the troubles I went through last year finding leaders I thought maybe this year it would be easier to find the leaders first.

I could lead a smaller group on Pritchett one of the days.
Pritchett won't be a small group. It is one of the most popular trails. If you want to lead it count on a bigger group.
Count me out then.

How about catering to the wishes of a willing trail leader? Limit the group size, have a early and a late departure on the same day with the group split, maybe run it 2 or 3 different days. Please just don't chase off your volunteers. :patriot:

[GSequoia]

Only two? Haven't we had three runs per day in other years? (Easy. Moderate. And "Areyououtofyourfrikkin'mind???"
Or was that just for the 20th anniversary fling?

Actually Andy that post by Ryan was a mistake - for some reason he was thinking of their small Moab run when he posted that. Things will be like they always are. In fact it is my understanding that hte trail schedules will be announced soon!

[DrMoab]

Actually Andy that post by Ryan was a mistake - for some reason he was thinking of their small Moab run when he posted that. Things will be like they always are. In fact it is my understanding that hte trail schedules will be announced soon!
Get it together Geoff. Its been there since yesterday. :D

http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=92778

[seanR]

Count me out then.
Meh, You did a crappy job in 2004 anyway
You made John John loose a spring....

[WayneXJ]

Meh, You did a crappy job in 2004 anyway
You made John John loose a spring....


:flame: :laugh3: :laugh3:

[Boatwrench]

Darn...after seeing this trail list I need to figure a way to get there this fall.

[GSequoia]

Darn...after seeing this trail list I need to figure a way to get there this fall.

Drive?

:laugh3:

[JohnJohn]

Meh, You did a crappy job in 2004 anyway
You made John John loose a spring....

Yeah he also made my locker in the rear stop working. I'm out then.

[VegasAnthony]

[QUOTE=Handlebars]I'm not sure if it got taken away, I searched all of the old threads on the EJS permit renewal and found nothing. If we get the ok to do the Narrows, I will lead it!

if you do Ill be right behind ya hopefuly my rig will be ready Alex...no kids and wifey this time around :D

[Andy Steiner]

if you do Ill be right behind ya hopefuly my rig will be ready Alex...no kids and wifey this time around :D
Dude! You're going this year? Wanna caravan?

[Handlebars]

I will be good to see you in Moab again, Anthony! When was the last time...2003?

[DrMoab]

Still looking for a few leaders guys.

Look at the list and tell me what you wanna run.

Is no one going to be in town on Tuesday? :D

[Geepfreak]

I'll lead Flat Iron on Tuesday..:thumbup:

[Captain Ron]

Gold Bar Rim on Tuesday.

--ron

[DrMoab]

Gold Bar Rim on Tuesday.

--ron
Done. Thanks Ron.

[Geepfreak]

Gold Bar Rim on Tuesday.

--ron
Sure, Pick the easy one.:D

[Captain Ron]

Sure, Pick the easy one.:D

If we don't make it back by sundown, come pick up the pieces in Gold Bar Canyon. :D

--ron

[Captain Ron]

I ran into a confilct for Tuesday. Ryan's sorting it out.

--ron

[EricT]

(Damn! All this TALK about Moab is driving me nuts - I really, really need to get back there and just can't do it in 2006! I know, I could stop reading about Fallfest, but then what Forum do I look at here - Whinefest '06 on the Member Boards?:shocked: )

MG

Yeah, I wish I could go too, but going from 4 weeks of vacation to 2 weeks really sucks. Maybe next year (it will be 4 years for me too).

[VegasAnthony]

I will be good to see you in Moab again, Anthony! When was the last time...2003?


Yea it was 03.. not as big this time around but Im runnin long arms..and a lower COG :)

Andy , thnx for the invite :)..I will be about a day behind ya..with a can of purple Krylon :eyes:

[DrMoab]

Getting down to crunch time.

I still need these trail leaders if anyone is interested...

Tuesday October 3rd

Chicken Corners
Steel Bender
Gold Bar Rim
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Wednesday October 4th

Seven Mile Rim
Kane Creek

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Thursday October 5th
Pritchett Canyon

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Friday October 6th

Fins and things
Moab Rim

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Saturday October 7th

3-D
Cliff Hanger
Behind the Rocks.


Thanks guys.

[DeadEyeJ]

PM sent.

[DrMoab]

I should also mention. If you lead a trail you do not have to pay for it.

Any takers?

anyone?

anyone?

[DeadEyeJ]

I could lead Pritchett if I get an absolutely firm commitment from somebody experienced to give me an assist. I have run this trail about 3 times in XJ's and once in a Bronco II. It will be the first serious wheeling I've done in a TJ, and I don't know "the line" on Rocker Knocker. I have always bypassed Rocker Knocker and the Rock Pile. Have winch, willing to embarrass myself.

Jared:patriot:

[DrMoab]

Ok Guys. Im down to two trails that need to be led.

Steel Bender on Tuesday and Pritchett Canyon on Thursday.

If I can't find leaders by Tuesday I will have to cancel both trails.

[DeadEyeJ]

Now now, don't be rash.

[DrMoab]

Oh...and Seven Mile rim on Wednesday.

I think I can talk Seqouia into leading that one though.