Forgotten History Thread

[DrMoab]

Was up in Driggs Id. Today. I have heard stories about this dam failure but never really paid much attention to it. Kind of interesting.
http://www.geol.ucsb.edu/faculty/sylvester/Teton%20Dam/welcome_dam.html

Curious what other History making events happened that people forgot about.

[8Mud]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Francis_Dam

San Francisquito canyon used to be a really nice place to go off roading. Though that has likely changed. There is also some caves up there, often right at or near the water level. We used to swim in for guit a ways. You can also dry pan gold up there, at todays proces you could probably do well.
I wondered about all the really large chunks of concrete laying around and after a little research and a few questions found out about the dam failure. It was one of those things that was pretty well hushed up, I never did hear anything about it in school.
Another funny/sad fact is there were a million tons of sediment deposited in, what looked like mounds near where the canyon opens downstream from Sagas/Newhall. Some industrious type, graded the top off the hills/mounds and build about a thousand houses on top of them. Not many miles away from where the old Veterans Hospital sank into the ground about 15 feet after a quake.
The environmentalists expend so much energy, it is a shame they can't expend it in a direction that might be marginally relavent on occasion. Like stopping developers, instead of harassing recreational land users.

[01XJLIMITED]

From tragedy somtimes comes triumph. A loss of 28 lives due to government decision making. The fishing around this location is great. Pick your days carefully, the weather and sea conditions can get nasty very quickly.

http://www.njscuba.net/sites/site_texas_tower.html

[karstic]

it is a shame they can't expend it in a direction that might be marginally relavent on occasion. Like stopping developers, instead of harassing recreational land users.

Where do you expect people to live?

[Bent]

Where do you expect people to live?

In what used to be an Orange grove?

[Ramsey]

Where do you expect people to live?
In my pants.

[Cox89XJ]

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/sultana1.html
More people died in this shipwreck than the Titanic. It did'ent even make the front page of the New York Times. It was on page 3. All the news of the Civil War ending took up the news.

[8Mud]

Where do you expect people to live?
Well, on lightly packed sand and gravel within miles of the epicenter of two of the larger So. Cal earthquakes, doesn't seem like a good choice.
At the bottom of a steep walled canyon, with grass hanging in the trees, might be another poor choice.
In the bottom of a dry creek/river bed?
Right next to a 10-15 foot wall of dry brush that stretches for miles might be another.
Right up next to a cliff, either the top or the bottom, might be another poor choice.
The area I was refering to, actually has all of the above, in a rather limited area.
My point was, there are many places, largely unsuitable for houses, that would be ideal for wild areas or recreational use.
There are a whole bunch of semi wild areas, that were in use for years as recreational areas, by off roaders, hunters and whatever, that are now almost solid houses. Areas that aren't really suited to building.
I remember the 72 California guake, the floor of the San Fernando Valley (mostly clay), looked like breakers rolling in off the ocean. You could see the wave action, as the buildings lifted and settled. I lived on a slight elevation and could see for 10-15 miles and watched the whole thing.
The thread title was "Forgotten History". Not paying attention to history and/or not learning from it, is kind of dumb and/or even criminal on occasion.

[karstic]

Well, on lightly packed sand and gravel within miles of the epicenter of two of the larger So. Cal earthquakes, doesn't seem like a good choice.
At the bottom of a steep walled canyon, with grass hanging in the trees, might be another poor choice.
In the bottom of a dry creek/river bed?
Right next to a 10-15 foot wall of dry brush that stretches for miles might be another.
Right up next to a cliff, either the top or the bottom, might be another poor choice.
The area I was refering to, actually has all of the above, in a rather limited area.
My point was, there are many places, largely unsuitable for houses, that would be ideal for wild areas or recreational use.
There are a whole bunch of semi wild areas, that were in use for years as recreational areas, by off roaders, hunters and whatever, that are now almost solid houses. Areas that aren't really suited to building.
I remember the 72 California guake, the floor of the San Fernando Valley (mostly clay), looked like breakers rolling in off the ocean. You could see the wave action, as the buildings lifted and settled. I lived on a slight elevation and could see for 10-15 miles and watched the whole thing.
The thread title was "Forgotten History". Not paying attention to history and/or not learning from it, is kind of dumb and/or even criminal on occasion.

When did you leave California?

[karstic]

There are a whole bunch of semi wild areas, that were in use for years as recreational areas, by off roaders, hunters and whatever, that are now almost solid houses. Areas that aren't really suited to building.


Probably 99% of it was/is private land. Now (then) when the owners wanted to reap the fruits of their investments everyone is up in arms because the wild lands are being destroyed :bs: What everyone is upset about is thattheir little private park which they've most likely been trespassing on for the last 15 years is going tobe developed. Amazing you didn't here the outcry when their own homes was being built.

Well, on lightly packed sand and gravel within miles of the epicenter of two of the larger So. Cal earthquakes, doesn't seem like a good choice.
At the bottom of a steep walled canyon, with grass hanging in the trees, might be another poor choice.

Well it looks like you just ruled out the LA Basin from the San Gabriel Mountains to the Pacific Ocean, from Newport Beach to Ventura. I guess we should all pack up our shit and move out.

[8Mud]

Wasn't trying to start an arguement, was just trying to urge people, too not just look, but to see. Off roaders often get into areas, not frequented by the population as a whole and can, if nothing else be witnesses (to "progress?"). Many people never get to see anything but the finished product (skin deep) after everything has been covered in asphalt.
I haven't lived in So. Cal since 74, but I still own some rental property there, in Tarzana. I visit periodically. House was built in the 1930's, ground floor is a good four feet off the ground. Wilbur Ave., is about about 150 yards away, Wilbur Ave. is actually Desoto Creek (I think), that now runs underground in a big tunnel (I hope the tunnel never gets plugged).
I figure the more interested people, the less likely the only people to show up for a zoning commision hearing or city council meeting are those people with a special interest (often not the population as a whole) and/or people hoping to make money off of any proposed changes.
I'm more concered with city, county and state lands, that seem to find there way into the private sector. Lands set aside, for the use of everybody.
If you want to live in a thousand square miles of concrete ( more power to you). Not my choice of a place to live.
You said, most of it was probably private lands. I've been checking out maps since I was kid. There *was* actually quit a bit more land, than was developed, that was city, county, state or federaly owned in the So. Cal area. That was largely deemed, not suitable for habitations. Either due to the fire danger, undeground water, geology in general or almost impossible to bring services too. That is now housing.
I actually helped build houses on some properties, that made me do a serious head scratch. Like one place we had to mount fifteen yards of concrete to the bottom of a swimming pool, so it wouldn't turn into a boat, if anybody decided to empty it. Funny that whole canyon was destroyed in a mud slide. A stones throw away from Beverly Hills.
Way to often people buy, thinking the area has been researched and is likely safe. That governement is not going to allow developers to make rather large mistakes. They place way to much trust in governement.
Why don't you see if you can buy a house in the Sepulvida flood control basin, nice place, you could live right next door to the golf course.:) Actually a really nice area, that used to be open to off roaders to play in.

You can criticise me all you want to, just don't try to circumcise me anymore.:banghead: