which 8" kit?

[90xjsweetevil]

8" skyjacker rockready system?http://www.skyjacker.com/products-search-detail.asp?ID=58565&vyear=1990&vmake=JEEP&vmodel=CHEROKEE%20(XJ)&vsubmod=LAREDO&partnumber=JC851KS-DX
or
8" rockcrawler supper lift with rear coil swap?http://www.jackit.com/store/supercart.cgi?s=rks_rkxj80super

[Ramsey]

i'd have to say neither. what size tire are you looking to run?

[shimmy]

not skycrapper

[ROBZ95Xj]

if your gonna runnthat much lift then get Clayton with rear coil convertion
www.clayton.com

[XJSpencer]

if your gonna runnthat much lift then get Clayton with rear coil convertion
www.clayton.com
You have got to check your links man.

I say Rock Krawler. The kit doesn't include coilovers though. You'll notice you have to upgrade for about $850. You'll need a lot more to make it work well though. Things like steering upgrades and SYE etc. etc.

[2000Cherokee]

ive only heard good things about clayton. if i was going to run that much lift that who i would go thru

[ROBZ95Xj]

oops, www.claytonoffroad.com never herd a thing about there kits breaking or parts wearing out, now rock krawler on the other hand...

[90xjsweetevil]

I wanna clear 35 tsl's or maybe 36's (by 12.5) and with clayton do they have a kit or do I have to piece and part it?

[ROBZ95Xj]

just get a 6" kit and do a little trimmin, and yes clayton sells full kits, theres alot of other nice 6" kits around like Full Traction, Rubicon Express and TNT Customs

[matt6669]

I guess i should post my opinion in here.

My vote would be for RockKrawler for a few reason.

First off you get the complete coilover conversion kit for 3200 retail.

Second the kit rides like a dream on the highway. You will never experience a nicer riding kit. It drives lik a caddy no lie. Also wit Rk's kit they provide you with a bash proof warranty. Meaning if you break anything, call up RK and they will replace it.

I've been running Rk's product for quite some time now and I love every bit of it. Keep a lookout for my build up thread coming out soon. Were taking it testing this saturday so it should turn out quite nice.

If you need anything answered about that kit, pm me and I'll fill you in.

Matt

[az4wheeler2002]

my vote would be for RK
not b/c I work for a RK dealer, but I've got it on my XJ, and I can garuntee their isn't 1 piece of my suspension that wouldn't have broken if it was anything else, I can absolutely outflex any other aftermarket bolt on suspension and it rides like a dream!!!
now I say I haven't broken any of their parts, but I have managed to be the only one ever to bend(not break) an X-factor steering tie-rod

[az4wheeler2002]

I forgot to mention, I'm only running the 6.5", and I don't feel any need to run any taller

[RyanM]

I can ABSOLUTELY outflex any other aftermarket bolt on suspension
:bs:
what arms setup are you running

[az4wheeler2002]

:bs:
what arms setup are you running


you can call me on it, but I wouldn't mind proving it
I'm running the RK 6.5"

[RyanM]

yea i was about to say it better be the 3link, i just read the other thread. time for some bumpstops or fender trim

[az4wheeler2002]

yea i was about to say it better be the 3link, i just read the other thread. time for some bumpstops or fender trim


your very right on the bumpstops and actually I didn finally get around to trimming the fenders

[Ramsey]

go with re5.5 and drop brackets, or even sub it for tnt y link. you dont need 8" for 35s

[matt6669]

or you can go with a true long arm design instead of drop brackets and just get the 6.5 RK kit as well.

But either way will work RE does build a pretty decent kit for the weekend warrior.

But i too agree if your only going to run 35's keep the COG low and you'll be way happier in the end. 6.5 is all you need for 35's

Infact I'm running 7 maybe a little less and im clearing 37's sooo, low COG is your friend

Matt

[az4wheeler2002]

I'm confused
how is your 37's cosidered LCG?
your the same height as he would be with 35's and 8" of lift correct?

[Ramsey]

I'm confused
how is your 37's cosidered LCG?
your the same height as he would be with 35's and 8" of lift correct?
i've had enough of your logic boy.

regardless, 8" is just too damn high for 35s IMHO, but theres plenty of people that do it, so if thats what he wants then who are we to stop him.

[az4wheeler2002]

whoa............chill out
I'm sorry you've had to much of my logic? I wasn't talking to you, but thanks for inputing your .02, and I'm not saying anyone stop what it is that their doing, and I'm not critizing your "opinion"
my question is simple isn't 8" of lift and 35's about the same height as 6.5/7 with 37's

[Ramsey]

i was just kidding;) but yeah it would be close to the same height.

[az4wheeler2002]

i was just kidding;) but yeah it would be close to the same height.


well good thing you were kidding!!
I thought I was going to run into some bull$hit like you see over at pirate
it's all good though, I thought it would be running about the same, eitherway, my argument/question/comment is finished now, so now onto more lurking

[RyanM]

lurk on this son, since you the master
http://secure.naxja.org/html/naxjamemberapp.htm
whats that??

[Ramsey]

lurk on this son, since you the master
http://secure.naxja.org/html/naxjamemberapp.htm
whats that??
well thats not exactly appropriate

[RyanM]

true
I appoligize
had too many coors in me

[TheHighHeat]

well since no one has really answered your question yet just thrown in their opinion with what you should do, I will help you out, I have the 8" Skyjacker lift with 35's, I'll be the first to say 8" is to big with 35's, BUT, the tires still rub, I've had my lift for almost 4 years, it hasn't sagged, it flexes real well, BUT, the subframe on the axle is dumb as hell and the hiem joint control arms wore out after 3000 miles, I have since changed ONLY the joint to factory rubber bushing/johnny joint combo, that is the only change I have made to the entire lift, other than the control arm issue I have been very happy and would spend the money again any day of the week, I would also go with the 8" again knowing it's to tall for 35's because now that I've had 35's for almost 4 years I want 37's and since I went so big...I can, if you want any pictures or anything else PM me your phone # and we can talk about it,

PS I have no experience with the RK lift, but don't like rear coil springs so I'll be biased on that issue.

[jeepjay90]

i just got the 9'' rustys, not installed yet i'll let you know how it rides when its done though. thats the height i want and i dont really care what they think. if i flip then i'll let them laugh.

[Ramsey]

i just got the 9'' rustys, not installed yet i'll let you know how it rides when its done though. thats the height i want and i dont really care what they think. if i flip then i'll let them laugh.
take pictures when you do

[jeep_87_cherokee]

take pictures when you do

X2 and post the before and after on this thread !!!

[ZachMan]

trim and bumpstop = 35s on RE 4.5".

I'd go TNT long arms and Claytons rear 4 link 10x over before buying the RK kit.

[WobblesXJ]

trim and bumpstop = 35s on RE 4.5".



That's what I'm talkin' about!

[TheHighHeat]

if i flip then i'll let them laugh.
everyone flips sooner or later regardless of height

[90xjsweetevil]

well the thing is I live in PG BC so I gotta get through alot of mud to get to the trails and on the trails guess what alot more mud so I need to be riding high and I wanna run 35's/36" tsl's maybe bigger depending but I still want alot of flex to get over the logs and shit I will encounter I dont know if any of u live in northern BC but it not all dirt and rocks the only way to find the dirt and rocks is to go up a mountain and at the bottom of the mountain theres lots of mud. dont get the impression we dont have crazy wicked trails though I just wanna be the best on the trail.

[TheHighHeat]

get full width axles, do an 8-10" lift and run 39's...bumpstop accordingly and you're good to go

well the thing is I live in PG BC so I gotta get through alot of mud to get to the trails and on the trails guess what alot more mud so I need to be riding high and I wanna run 35's/36" tsl's maybe bigger depending but I still want alot of flex to get over the logs and shit I will encounter I dont know if any of u live in northern BC but it not all dirt and rocks the only way to find the dirt and rocks is to go up a mountain and at the bottom of the mountain theres lots of mud. dont get the impression we dont have crazy wicked trails though I just wanna be the best on the trail.

[jeepjay90]

i hear ya, i live in NJ and have alot of mudholes out in the pinelands. just tring to keep the engine dry with the fullsizes and still have some flex.

[matt6669]

I'd go TNT long arms and Claytons rear 4 link 10x over before buying the RK kit.

Care to explain.............??? I would be quite curious as to hear your reasoning.


Now as far as 35's on 8"s of lift compared to 37's on a 7" lift being the same height. Kinda sorta, close but theres more to it than being at the same height.

I've got good year MTR's which don't run a true 37 so your looking at about 36"s first. So really i would still be about 2 inches smaller than if you were running 8 inches with 35's. But this is the important part. My pumpkin is is higher off the ground than if you were at 8 inches and 35's. Thats the most important part. Running the biggest reasonable tire at the lowest amount of lift. Get all your axles off the ground but keep your COG low. Thats the important balance that you must find.

Thats why when you look at buggies, they are relatively close to the ground but run huge ass tires. Because they want their pumpkins off the ground but keep a low COG. Now they can do this b/c theres no sheetmetal in the way but thats just an example.

Matt

[90xjsweetevil]

get full width axles, do an 8-10" lift and run 39's...bumpstop accordingly and you're good to go
thats the plan except ill figure out the tire size after i figure out the lift

[az4wheeler2002]

But this is the important part. My pumpkin is is higher off the ground than if you were at 8 inches and 35's. Thats the most important part.
Matt


your right! I wasn't thinking along those lines, but now that you bring it up, I agree on your thinking process their

[JEEPTUBE]

STICK WITH RUBICON OR FULL TRACTION. THERE KITS ARE VERY COMPLETE AND STURDY. ROCK KRAWLER? U GOT TO BE KIDDING ME. THEY SELL THAT 3 CONTROL ARM KIT FOR THE FRONT RIGHT? WTF?
GO LONG ARM.
CLAYTON IS COOL.
BUT RUBICON IS BETTER.
AND AS FOR THE REAR COIL SWAP. ONLY DO IT IF U R READY TO NOT PUT ANYTHING IN THE BACK. NO LOAD CAPACITY. AND BESIDES LEAF REARS ARE TOUGHER AND WAY EASIER TO FIX ON THE TRAIL.

[JEEPTUBE]

GO GET SOME UNIMOG AXLES.

[XJSpencer]

STICK WITH RUBICON OR FULL TRACTION. THERE KITS ARE VERY COMPLETE AND STURDY. ROCK KRAWLER? U GOT TO BE KIDDING ME. THEY SELL THAT 3 CONTROL ARM KIT FOR THE FRONT RIGHT? WTF?
GO LONG ARM.
CLAYTON IS COOL.
BUT RUBICON IS BETTER.
AND AS FOR THE REAR COIL SWAP. ONLY DO IT IF U R READY TO NOT PUT ANYTHING IN THE BACK. NO LOAD CAPACITY. AND BESIDES LEAF REARS ARE TOUGHER AND WAY EASIER TO FIX ON THE TRAIL.
Lay off the caps man. Why you gotta go around screaming at us on your first day? Go back to the first post and see if you actually have any info to contribute.(stick with what You know or have tried)

FWIW....nothing

[TheHighHeat]

I have a buddy with rusty's long arms, Skyjacker 10" coils, and alcan 10" leafs, he runs 37's and it's way to big, but he's planning on running 42's after he trims, only problem is he didn't go full widths so it's really unstable, I'd say get your axles done first so you can tell if the bigger tube size or brackets will give you any lift, then decide on the lift, but decide on tires before you do the axles so you can gear appropriately(which I know that you know all this already)

thats the plan except ill figure out the tire size after i figure out the lift

[88rockxj]

I have a buddy with rusty's long arms, Skyjacker 10" coils, and alcan 10" leafs, he runs 37's and it's way to big, but he's planning on running 42's after he trims, only problem is he didn't go full widths so it's really unstable, I'd say get your axles done first so you can tell if the bigger tube size or brackets will give you any lift, then decide on the lift, but decide on tires before you do the axles so you can gear appropriately(which I know that you know all this already)



since when does skyjacker make a 10" coil ? i thought the biggest coil out there was rustys 9" coil

[ROBZ95Xj]

since when does skyjacker make a 10" coil ? i thought the biggest coil out there was rustys 9" coil
they make 10" and 12" coils for TJ's

[88rockxj]

they make 10" and 12" coils for TJ's


the biggest they make for an xj is 8" right? or do they have the same spring rates for xj and tjs at skyjacker meaning you can use the tj coils on an xj?

[ROBZ95Xj]

the biggest they make for an xj is 8" right? or do they have the same spring rates for xj and tjs at skyjacker meaning you can use the tj coils on an xj?
im sure the tj coil is a little softer givin you like 1" less lift on a XJ

[88rockxj]

im sure the tj coil is a little softer givin you like 1" less lift on a XJ


thanks for the info, although my coils are already in the mail so im a little too late on finding this out lol. whos a good vendor for skyjacker and how much do they go for? i just got some 8" rockkrawlers for 150$ shipped to my door, was going to go with rustys but he raised his price from 125$ to 150$ plus shipping

[Jeep-Guy]

not skycrapper

I have to ask, why is Skyjacker so bad? Im looking at the 8" kit and I have only heard good things...Why is it bad?

[jeepjay90]

rustys coils give you 9'' if you have the 4cy and gives you 81/2" if you have the 6, thats what they told me when i ordered. and i got BOR 8'' leafs, that say when all settled in give a true 8'' built for a additional 350lbs.

[TheHighHeat]

just like every company there are people out there that have had bad experiences, I personally love my 8" skyjacker kit, but like I said before the heims are cheap quaility and wore out quick so I replaced them with hybrid currie arms and I love my lift now, for a kit it's pretty good though

I have to ask, why is Skyjacker so bad? Im looking at the 8" kit and I have only heard good things...Why is it bad?

[ROBZ95Xj]

I have to ask, why is Skyjacker so bad? Im looking at the 8" kit and I have only heard good things...Why is it bad?
its way overpriced, for less you can get a clayton long arm with a lifetime garentee

[88rockxj]

i just got an email saying rock krawlers springs are out of stock for 1-2 weeks, but no garuntee on timing and i can cancel my order if i want to. i normaly wouldnt have a problem with waiting but i need to see how high this thing is gonna sit in the front so i can finish the upper links on my 4 link and see how high the back end needs to sit. i searched a bunch and didnt find very many compressed lengths of 8" coils and i dont wanna base my numbers off just one guys measurment id rather have them under the jeep and see how far thier gonna compress. im building my bumpers with receiver hitches for a multi mount winch i can use on more then just one vehicle , not just on the front , and to not ruin my almost 90* approach angle with a big old bumper that sticks out 8 inches from my grill. basicly what im getting at is my front end isnt gonna be as heavy as most and wont compress the spring as much as the numbers i read. should be around 21-22" compressed correct???

what company has some 8" coils for 150$ shipped or less???? or should i not cancel my order and just wait ?

[90xjsweetevil]

Ive already decided on my axles im getting a matching set of d44 geared 4.88 with an electrac or arb locker in the rear and an easylock in the front
I think ive decided on my lift and tire size as well im gonna do the clayton 6.5" hardarm
with 35x12.5's Im getting the axles pretty quick here got the money and the axles lined up gotta wait a bit for the gears and lockers though then in march buying the lift and getting everything thrown on except tires those are after the main work is done but I have a few ppl offering me good deals on used tires.

[90xjsweetevil]

PS so I decided not to go with the 8 inch after all :( lol