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87manche
May 9th, 2006, 18:04
Got the spring perches and shock mounts taken off the XJ axle. My neighbor with the TJ has a friend that can put the detroit in for me, and weld the perches on. Looks like I'll have both axles ready for a Memorial weekend wrenchfest.
The MJ's getting lifted and locked all in one weekend!

Lawn Cher'
May 9th, 2006, 19:12
Awesome!

HaleYes
May 9th, 2006, 21:39
Awesome!

Totally!

Lawn Cher'
May 9th, 2006, 21:46
Party on, Wayne!

HaleYes
May 9th, 2006, 22:00
http://www.peskyapostrophe.com/graphics/garth1.jpg

87manche
May 10th, 2006, 05:34
party on garth

bshaw
May 10th, 2006, 05:40
holla when your ready Nate.

XJMK
May 10th, 2006, 05:41
So the man with the little dog will no longer have a little MJ? :(

Can't wait to see it!

87manche
May 10th, 2006, 18:04
So the man with the little dog will no longer have a little MJ? :(

Can't wait to see it!
Yep, the MJ is growing 3 inches.
I got the rest of the welds ground off the axle tonight.
I think I can get spring perches at TSC, they looked like the right size.
A side note, I got into the axle tube a little bit on one side, a cut about 1/8" into it. Got careless with the grinder. Can that just be fill welded, or don't even worry about it? Gash is about 1/8" deep and about 1/4" long across the tube.

egghead
May 10th, 2006, 18:08
Slap a bead on that dude, then get the grinder out. (with grinding wheel not cutting) and smooth it out. Good as new...


Egg

87manche
May 10th, 2006, 18:22
that's what I figured.
Thanks Aaron
Axle swap on schedule.

HaleYes
May 10th, 2006, 18:54
Slap a bead on that dude, then get the grinder out. (with grinding wheel not cutting) and smooth it out. Good as new...
Egg

Thats what I did.

87manche
May 10th, 2006, 19:17
sweet. Gonna get new perches and the gears setup this week. U-joints done in the front next weekend. Putting them under the truck Memorial day weekend, should be great, no more squeaky u-joints. Gonna do my driveshaft u-joints too. Lotsa new parts for the MJ, it oughta be happy.

Lawn Cher'
May 11th, 2006, 14:27
sweet. Gonna get new perches and the gears setup this week. U-joints done in the front next weekend. Putting them under the truck Memorial day weekend, should be great, no more squeaky u-joints. Gonna do my driveshaft u-joints too. Lotsa new parts for the MJ, it oughta be happy.

Did the '97 D30 have squeaky u-joints?

87manche
May 11th, 2006, 18:02
no, my 87 has got squeaky u-joints. THat happened at the same time that the wheel bearing failed. WHen it rains it pours.
As a side note, I've vastly simplified my electronic circuit for the AW4 paddle shifter. Went from about 12 discrete components to this:
http://www.priory.bromley.sch.uk/students/electronics/pdf/74hc191.pdf
lots' less to break :)
All my MWC AW4 homies can get one when I'm done.

Lawn Cher'
May 11th, 2006, 21:01
no, my 87 has got squeaky u-joints. THat happened at the same time that the wheel bearing failed. WHen it rains it pours.

Why bother replacing them then if you are putting in the 297 non-disco stuff within a few weeks?

87manche
May 12th, 2006, 05:22
Why bother replacing them then if you are putting in the 297 non-disco stuff within a few weeks?
That's what I meant, when I put in the 97 axle I won't have squeaky u-joints. I'm just hoping that the 87 u-joint makes it another week. It's not gotten rough when turning, just squeaks.

Lawn Cher'
May 12th, 2006, 09:17
I misunderstood then. I thought you were gonna put in new joints in the old shafts.

Don't forget to swap hubs or your brakes won't fit.

87manche
May 12th, 2006, 09:55
already got another new hub lined up. So the 97 axle will have my current brakes, the new D-side hub I jst put on and a NIB passenger side.
Still on track to get the rear axle squared away this weekend.

Lawn Cher'
May 12th, 2006, 11:51
already got another new hub lined up. So the 97 axle will have my current brakes, the new D-side hub I jst put on and a NIB passenger side.
Still on track to get the rear axle squared away this weekend.

You'll have fun with that gearing and a locked rear... mmm, donuts!

87manche
May 12th, 2006, 14:02
You'll have fun with that gearing and a locked rear... mmm, donuts!
no donuts, I need the 35 to live!

Lawn Cher'
May 12th, 2006, 14:12
no donuts, I need the 35 to live!

You'll be fine w/ 31's under a MJ. It's not made of plastic.

87manche
May 13th, 2006, 07:17
You'll be fine w/ 31's under a MJ. It's not made of plastic.
I'll also have two full sets of spare 35 shafts.
Gonna have to go and get some spare fronts though. I've decided to put them all in big pieces of PVC pipe and secure them under the bed rails. Easy and protected access.
Seeing as I have two set's of shaft, I might do donuts:roll:
I know it's gonna be the hella fun in the winter time though

LilRedRover
May 13th, 2006, 07:31
I'll also have two full sets of spare 35 shafts.
Gonna have to go and get some spare fronts though. I've decided to put them all in big pieces of PVC pipe and secure them under the bed rails. Easy and protected access.
Seeing as I have two set's of shaft, I might do donuts:roll:
I know it's gonna be the hella fun in the winter time though

I love manches... I wanna do a build up one of these days

87manche
May 13th, 2006, 08:42
I love manches... I wanna do a build up one of these days
and to think, I found this thing sitting in a bunch of Rangers I was looking at. I'm so glad my wife said we should buy the Jeep.

87manche
May 15th, 2006, 09:06
oh, so to bring this back up, Anyone know where to find stock spring perches?
I've call the dealer, a local spring shop, just about everywhere locally. Every place on the net says that the perches give lift, but in my case that would lower me. I just want a set of stock MJ spring perches damnit.
And who wants to just buy me this:
http://www.rubiconexpress.com/dynamic/mainpage.asp?folderid=346
So I stop asking stupid questions.

HaleYes
May 15th, 2006, 09:14
oh, so to bring this back up, Anyone know where to find stock spring perches?
I've call the dealer, a local spring shop, just about everywhere locally. Every place on the net says that the perches give lift, but in my case that would lower me. I just want a set of stock MJ spring perches damnit.

IIRC, Eagle posted a part # for some HD stock perches a while back. I think they were like $10 or so. (See avatar.) I ordered them from my local dealer. I then decied that I would go with some like Gil used from Great Lake Offroad. HTH

87manche
May 15th, 2006, 09:21
you're awesome Mike.
PN is P4120074
Knowing to search under Eagle's name had me there in 5 minutes.

HaleYes
May 15th, 2006, 09:25
you're awesome Mike.
PN is P4120074
Knowing to search under Eagle's name had me there in 5 minutes.

Sweet.

Your welcome.:kissyou:

87manche
May 15th, 2006, 09:29
ok, another newb question. The tube diameter on the D35 is 2.6" correct?
Those Mopar mounts are for axles with 3" diameter or "similar" How close is considered similar?
I'm not afraid to grind a bit to get them to fit, but if the holes already too big I can't really add metal now can I?

87manche
May 15th, 2006, 09:53
F-it, I just ordered two sets of those perches, at 8.00 a pair it will be worth it if I fawk it up the first time.
I'll make it work.
Trading the axleshafts out of my old d-30 to have the gears and perches setup on the new d35. Neighbor with the TJ has a friend with an older XJ, he needs spare fronts :)

Lawn Cher'
May 15th, 2006, 10:29
If the arc in the perch is larger radius than the axle tube, it will still have a tangent point and give plenty of space for filling in with weld. Its easy!

87manche
May 15th, 2006, 10:56
If the arc in the perch is larger radius than the axle tube, it will still have a tangent point and give plenty of space for filling in with weld. Its easy!
Righto!
Bought two sets to learn on the first :)

87manche
May 17th, 2006, 11:39
Got my percehs today, these thigns are real nice for $8 a set. 1/4" stuff it looks like.

HaleYes
May 17th, 2006, 15:14
Got my percehs today, these thigns are real nice for $8 a set. 1/4" stuff it looks like.

Sweet.

Now, put them on the axle.

87manche
May 17th, 2006, 16:43
Sweet.

Now, put them on the axle.
THat and my gear install are going on this weekend.
I started prepping the front axle a bit tonight. New TRE's all the way round in the steering. Tried getting the JKS discos on, but the stock swaybar connect bolt is a mother. Tried beating on it with a BFH but didn't want to bend the bracket on the axle. Gonna have to go and buy a hefty puller and see if I can't pop them out.

XJ_ranger
May 17th, 2006, 17:03
Trading the axleshafts out of my old d-30 to have the gears and perches setup on the new d35. Neighbor with the TJ has a friend with an older XJ, he needs spare fronts :)

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Dirk Pitt
May 17th, 2006, 17:29
THat and my gear install are going on this weekend.
I started prepping the front axle a bit tonight. New TRE's all the way round in the steering. Tried getting the JKS discos on, but the stock swaybar connect bolt is a mother. Tried beating on it with a BFH but didn't want to bend the bracket on the axle. Gonna have to go and buy a hefty puller and see if I can't pop them out.

The blue tip wrench is your friend on the lower sway bar mount. Heat the bracket up good and hit the bolt again.

Menzenski
May 17th, 2006, 18:15
New TRE's all the way round in the steering. Tried getting the JKS discos on, but the stock swaybar connect bolt is a mother. Tried beating on it with a BFH but didn't want to bend the bracket on the axle. Gonna have to go and buy a hefty puller and see if I can't pop them out.
If you're not going to reuse those bolts, grind off the head, then put the nut back on and tighten it until it pops the bolt loose. Can't hurt to try that before you go spend the money on a puller.

87manche
May 17th, 2006, 18:28
If you're not going to reuse those bolts, grind off the head, then put the nut back on and tighten it until it pops the bolt loose. Can't hurt to try that before you go spend the money on a puller.
awesome tip. I will not be reusing them, the JKS discos have their own stud.
I do not have a torch proper, best I could do is MAPP gas if it came to that.

Lawn Cher'
May 18th, 2006, 07:59
awesome tip. I will not be reusing them, the JKS discos have their own stud.
I do not have a torch proper, best I could do is MAPP gas if it came to that.

MAPP should work great... I use propane with frequent success and MAPP burns hotter.

bshaw
May 22nd, 2006, 06:53
awesome tip. I will not be reusing them, the JKS discos have their own stud.
I do not have a torch proper, best I could do is MAPP gas if it came to that.
x2 on the map gas, or.... just drill that bolt out. start on the head and it should shear off, then punch the rest of it out. worked for me....

87manche
May 22nd, 2006, 07:43
I didn't get a chance to work on it this weekend. My brother came up from NC so that was this weekend.
I'll get it handled tonight. I think I'm gonna heat it up and try to beat it out. if that doesn't work I'm going to grind the head off and pull it throuh the other side, if that doesn't work, it's on to the drill.

87manche
May 22nd, 2006, 18:50
OK, so the JKS discos are on. I ended up cutting the bolt head off and pulling the bolt through with my breaker bar. That was a great tip Mambeu, I'll be passing that one on. Much easier than any other methods I had read.
I also pulled the old bearings off the 97, so it's ready for new bearings and brakes.
I need to get the remnants of the UCA off, but that things on there. It's soaking in PB blaster now. I may just cut that off too.

RedHeep
May 23rd, 2006, 05:42
Dibs on a set of those 35 shafts. You have spare and I have spare. I'm not getting dirty and bloody this weekend for free.

87manche
May 23rd, 2006, 06:34
Dibs on a set of those 35 shafts. You have spare and I have spare. I'm not getting dirty and bloody this weekend for free.
Are you c-clip or not?
If you're c-clip they won't work, if you're not then a set is yours.
I gave the 97 unit bearings to my neighbor for his TJ since he's helping me out. he's machining some stuff and honing out the bearings so we can set up the detroit.

Lawn Cher'
May 23rd, 2006, 07:36
I gave the 97 unit bearings to my neighbor for his TJ

I've always been curious about where my parts ultimately wind up...

87manche
May 23rd, 2006, 08:29
I've always been curious about where my parts ultimately wind up...
You're helping the world Mark.

Lawn Cher'
May 23rd, 2006, 10:12
You're helping the world Mark.

I do what I can.

87manche
May 23rd, 2006, 11:58
well, you do bring joy to all those children in thost Disney cartoons ;)

Lawn Cher'
May 23rd, 2006, 12:04
Fawking-A, boys and girls.

87manche
May 23rd, 2006, 12:54
I've got to get a sound clip of that one day.

RedHeep
May 23rd, 2006, 12:59
I've got non-c clip. Are you getting that axle set up tonight? Me and dad are thinking 8 o'clock on saturday morning.

Oh, and get back to work.

87manche
May 23rd, 2006, 13:03
I've got non-c clip. Are you getting that axle set up tonight? Me and dad are thinking 8 o'clock on saturday morning.

Oh, and get back to work.
if it's non c-clip you can have a set of spares.
Axle will be setup tomorrow night, it's all been arranged.
I am working, I web wheel while on the phone listening to customers give me their life story because the computer has spyware.

RedHeep
May 24th, 2006, 06:04
Just tell them format c:

87manche
May 24th, 2006, 07:23
Just tell them format c:
it would take me ten minutes to get them to a command prompt

Lawn Cher'
May 24th, 2006, 08:08
Back to the matter at hand... now that you've started, how long until you are finished?

87manche
May 24th, 2006, 08:14
Back to the matter at hand... now that you've started, how long until you are finished?
Axles go under the truck this weekend. Some help from my brother and dad.
Here's my timeline.
Tonight: Axle perches and gear setup
Tomorrow: Complete new rear brakes. Only part I need to get is the rubber hose, and I'm trying to find an extended one. Looking at the 96 Dak hose, but I can't find anyone with it in stock to compare with mine. Only thing that will need to be pulled from my rear axle is the brake drums.
Friday: put the MJ up on jackstands after work. Pull wheels, brake drums and front rotors and wheel bearings. Transfer brake parts and wheel bearings over to new axles.
Saturday morning: Start pulling axles, Insert AAL and new coils
Sunday: Put new axles in.
Memorial day: Align the front a la GoJeep, go play (hopefully)
Things that are already done: Axles are painted, JKS discos installed on front axle, old unit bearings off 97 axle.
Things I need to get yet: Strap kit for U joints. New U bolts for rear axle, new hard lines for rear axle, I've got all the rest of the brake components, and they're assembled on the backing plate already.

Lawn Cher'
May 24th, 2006, 08:48
I used a Dakota rear brake hose on mine.

I also used Chevy truck hoses in the front.

Hard lines are easy, buy a double flaring tool, tube bender and lengths of line, make your own.

87manche
May 24th, 2006, 13:08
so the dak line will fit a d35 then? Awesome.
I'll pick one up tonight along with tube to make new hard lines.

Lawn Cher'
May 24th, 2006, 13:45
so the dak line will fit a d35 then? Awesome.
I'll pick one up tonight along with tube to make new hard lines.

The brake hose and lines are, for the most part, the same from D35 to D44.

Double flaring takes a little practice, but once you've done it a few times it is easy.

87manche
May 24th, 2006, 13:52
As long as it bolts to the hard line on the chassis I don't care. I can deal with any "adapting" on the axle.

87manche
May 24th, 2006, 19:54
well, the axle swap is still on schedule.
I've now got a D35 with Mj perches and a Detroit locker :)
Need to get the brakes finished tomorrow night and I'll be ready.

ILLXJ
May 25th, 2006, 01:37
Back to the matter at hand... now that you've started, how long until you are finished?
His wife said about 45 sec. :shocked: :laugh: JIM.

87manche
May 25th, 2006, 06:09
His wife said about 45 sec. :shocked: :laugh: JIM.
aww damn.
I got pwned

RedHeep
May 25th, 2006, 08:40
Axle done? Bringing dad's tools on saturday so we can tag team (the jeep, you sickos). I got a couple bucks says we can get done on saturday.

Going shooting tuesday night, call me.

87manche
May 25th, 2006, 09:20
Axle done? Bringing dad's tools on saturday so we can tag team (the jeep, you sickos). I got a couple bucks says we can get done on saturday.

Going shooting tuesday night, call me.
Just need to do the brake lines onight and put the brake backing plates on it.
locker went in OK, backlash checked out at 9 thousandths, which is what it was when we took it apart.

RedHeep
May 25th, 2006, 13:16
We need to op check that before we install it under the jeep, make sure its locking and unlocking. Sounds like we're ready to go. I'll bring the camera so the boys can see some pics.

87manche
May 25th, 2006, 13:46
We already did. Locker functions properly.
Rear axle needs brakes to be complete.
Front axle needs my wheel bearings and rotors to be complete.
I should also put that new steering stabilizer on it tonight.
I need to get U-bolts, and new centering springs with a larger head. Anyone got a suggestion on the centering spring?

RedHeep
May 26th, 2006, 07:29
What's a centering spring?

87manche
May 26th, 2006, 07:51
centering bolts, for the springs. I figure the ones I have will be too short because of the AAL, and I need ones with a larger head anyway, since the mopar perches have a bigger center hole. We discussed it last night in chat, I know how to proceed.

Dirk Pitt
May 26th, 2006, 09:52
centering bolts, for the springs. I figure the ones I have will be too short because of the AAL, and I need ones with a larger head anyway, since the mopar perches have a bigger center hole. We discussed it last night in chat, I know how to proceed.

Go get a 5/16" bolt from the hardware store and turn the head down until it matches the perch hole.

Make sure the socket for the corresponding socket for the nut will fit inside the hole on the u-bolt plate. I'm sure it will without opening up though.

Start with a socket head cap screw if you want.

HTH

BRIANHO13
May 26th, 2006, 10:09
Axle done? Bringing dad's tools on saturday so we can tag team (the jeep, you sickos). I got a couple bucks says we can get done on saturday.

Going shooting tuesday night, call me.

Me and dirk swapped axles out in about 4 hours, not too bad since he is mechanically uninclined.

87manche
May 26th, 2006, 11:46
The only thing I'm worried about is the 20 years of winters it's seen. But I've been spraying bolts for a month now.

Lawn Cher'
May 26th, 2006, 12:20
Me and dirk swapped axles out in about 4 hours, not too bad since he is mechanically uninclined.

No shit?

Lawn Cher'
May 26th, 2006, 12:22
Go get a 5/16" bolt from the hardware store and turn the head down until it matches the perch hole.

SPOBI.

Nate, MJ's use 3/8" center pins, not the wimpy 5/16" ones like a XJ. Just use a 3/8" SHCS (socket head cap screw) and don't worry about the head diameter difference... it is close enough.

BRIANHO13
May 26th, 2006, 12:35
No shit?
might have been 5 hours, but it was pretty quick, that includes alignement.

87manche
May 26th, 2006, 12:39
SPOBI.

Nate, MJ's use 3/8" center pins, not the wimpy 5/16" ones like a XJ. Just use a 3/8" SHCS (socket head cap screw) and don't worry about the head diameter difference... it is close enough.
Thanks Mark.
I had read that earlier, but forgot totally about the 3/8" part. I'll just go get a 3/8" cap head screw and call it good.

Dirk Pitt
May 26th, 2006, 12:51
Me and dirk swapped axles out in about 4 hours, not too bad since he is mechanically uninclined.

This statement is almost right.

Work smart, not hard.

You were doing so well, I didn't want to break your "zone"

:cheers:

Dirk Pitt
May 26th, 2006, 12:54
SPOBI.

Nate, MJ's use 3/8" center pins, not the wimpy 5/16" ones like a XJ. Just use a 3/8" SHCS (socket head cap screw) and don't worry about the head diameter difference... it is close enough.

I did not know that.

LBEXJ
May 26th, 2006, 15:46
I use fine threaded allen head bolts for center pins too. Some spring perch holes are a little too small in diameter for the head, but I just "roll grind" the head down until it fits. They work fine ...

Les

PS: It's a cheap way to carry some "spares" too.

Dirt
May 26th, 2006, 19:39
I think it's time for a *I'm finished* thread.

87manche
May 26th, 2006, 22:32
I think it's time for a *I'm finished* thread.
You'll get one of those soon. As soon as I figure out how to get this caliper guide pin out. THen the real work can start.

87manche
May 27th, 2006, 19:30
Ok. After 14 hours of work the truck is lifted, but Mark's craziness with the front brakes set me back today.
here's the run down.
One broken upper rear shock mount stud. Replaced with a bolt through the frame.
Both LCA's had to be cut from the frame with a sawzall, it really sucks when melted rubber and metal drops all over your face.
Ended up reusing the 97 Bearings, my bearings wouldn't fit. The bearing was too long into the knuckle and hit the tone ring on the shaft.
Got new 97 rotors and calipers, need the old style calipers, found this out after 3 trips to the parts store for the right pads...
Things that need doing:
All rear brake hardware, right now it's just empty drums.
Front calipers.
Bleed brakes.
Hook up Trackbar.
Do ghetto Go.Jeep alignment.
Fill diffs with oil.
Take it for a test drive.
I took pictures, need to find te memory card reader.
the Mj certainly sits taller now, rocker panel is about mid-thigh for me, gonna have to jump to get in.

RedHeep
May 28th, 2006, 06:05
Don't forget the rear shocks to the spring plates and the front driveshaft. All those LCA and UCA bolts need torqued to spec and the front shocks need installed.

Hook up that trackbar to the original hole and sometime this week I'll come over and help you drill a new hole.

I'm damn sore this morning, next time you have to buy a lift first.

87manche
May 28th, 2006, 06:32
Don't forget the rear shocks to the spring plates and the front driveshaft. All those LCA and UCA bolts need torqued to spec and the front shocks need installed.

Hook up that trackbar to the original hole and sometime this week I'll come over and help you drill a new hole.

I'm damn sore this morning, next time you have to buy a lift first.

I hadn't forgot. Well I had not looking at the truck.
Waiting on Jarrod so I can go get the right calipers.
Pictures.
Old and busted axles.
http://nsjames.net/comanche/lift/oldfront.JPG
http://nsjames.net/comanche/lift/oldrear.JPG

New hotness.
http://nsjames.net/comanche/lift/rearlift.JPG
http://nsjames.net/comanche/lift/newrideheight.JPG

I think I need 32's/33's now :)

RedHeep
May 28th, 2006, 11:37
Hey, your driveshaft hardware is on the old dana 35. Dad handed me the front hardware when we reinstalled the rear. Couldn't call because nobody has your number.

87manche
May 28th, 2006, 14:01
nope, I found it.
Under some cardboard.
But ten I f-ed up the front u-joint. Got it screwed in, then went to go to the other side to screw the other strap on. U-joint slipped out of it's cap and all the little pins went away.
I've got new u-joints, I'm off to rent the u-joint tool.
I also need to get the track bar back on, it looks like I'm going to have to undo the frame side. No way I can get it back underneath the axle. It's over on top of the spring perch practically.
Brakes are finished, all shocks installed. I gotta get the front DS finished and the trackbar done and it's ready.

87manche
May 29th, 2006, 08:17
Well it moved under it's own power today.
Still need to attach the trackbar.
Front DS is pulled, one of the c-clips broke in half and it's rusted into the groove in he yoke. I'll deal with it later.
I'm eating lunch, then going to do the trackbar.
Brakes work.
Rechecked the locker, it's locking and unlocking properly.
Quick pic.
http://nsjames.net/comanche/lift/DSCF0527.JPG

HaleYes
May 29th, 2006, 08:26
Looks like ass.

LBEXJ
May 29th, 2006, 08:32
Looks great! I'm sure you'll love those lockers.

Now, go clean up that garage! :D

Les

87manche
May 29th, 2006, 08:47
Looks like ass.
Yeah, I think I'm gonna just chop it all up and tube it.

87manche
May 29th, 2006, 08:48
Looks great! I'm sure you'll love those lockers.

Now, go clean up that garage! :D

Les
In due time. I've got to get all the axles out of the way first!
Anyone need a d35 housing and tubes? I've got 2. What about a D30?

HaleYes
May 29th, 2006, 08:49
Yeah, I think I'm gonna just chop it all up and tube it.

:jester:

87manche
May 29th, 2006, 10:44
well, I got the trackbar connected and the axle centered.
Mark had already drilled another hole in the trackbar for about 3" of lift. Thanks mark :)
It's still not ready to roll, I was torqueing down an UCA bolt and it snapped off. Need to wait for the wife to come home so I can go get a grade 8 replacement, and I need to recheck what values I was using. 130 is too much aparently

LBEXJ
May 29th, 2006, 12:10
In due time ...
I bet you don't say that to your wife ... without a few bumps and bruises! :laugh:

Les

87manche
May 29th, 2006, 12:54
well, I got it out on the street. Driving with a Detroit is scertainly different.
Everything seems to be good except my left rear brake. I've got some smoke(!) coming from the drum. There was also some liquid coming from the adjuster holes. It didn't smell like gear oil, I'll be angry if one of those new wheel cylinders is defect out of the box. I hope that the axle shaft seal wasn't damaged during installation. As soon as the brakes cool I'm gonna go see what's up.

87manche
May 29th, 2006, 13:14
Well, I'm an impatient bastard, so I just burnt my hands taking off the drum.

Good news is that it isn't the axle seal.
Bad news is that I f-ed up installing my brakes. The forward side of the wheelcylinder was not on it's shoe properly, after a few pushes of the pedal the piston pushed out of it's bore and spewed brake fluid all inside the drum.

Explains the weird pedal feel I got after a few stops. They worked fine in the driveway, must have taken the adjuster moving for it to slide of it's show.
I'm off to do brakes/bleeding again :(

87manche
May 29th, 2006, 14:36
another update.
Brakes work fine.
Detroit seems to be XXXXed.
Very unhappy.
GOing back out to tear into the rearend. It works fine when there is power going to the wheels. Push in the clutch or engine brake and it sounds real bad, like gears grinding.
unhappiness is a borked detroit.
Hopefully the R&P is Ok, I may just swap in the factory carrier, I still have the shims and such all marked for it.

87manche
May 29th, 2006, 16:12
OK, so here's the lowdown. The freaking pinion nut came loose.
It was fine under drive power because the ring pulled the pinion into it, under coasted it was forcing it out and then it was nasty gear chatter.
I torqued the pinion nut down until it met the crush sleeve, then gave it a little nudge just to tighten it. I also locktighted the hell out of it. Seems to be OK. I'l be ordering a new bearing, and I imagine that a full teardown is in order before we drive it to NC in July.
Sucks.
I'll be like a N00B now.
DON'T BUY PARTS FROM MARK< THEY"RE ALL CRAPPY AND I GOT RIPPED OFF!

Just kidding Mark, I should have checked it before the axle went in, but I just never thought about it since we hadn't touched it.

Lawn Cher'
May 29th, 2006, 17:52
DON'T BUY PARTS FROM MARK< THEY"RE ALL CRAPPY AND I GOT RIPPED OFF!

Just kidding Mark, I should have checked it before the axle went in, but I just never thought about it since we hadn't touched it.

I'm sorry that happened... all I've ever done to that axle is move it from one house to another, and from one corner of the basement to another. I never did use it.

With regard to the front brake conglomeration, wouldn't it have been easier to just remove the tone rings from the axle shafts and have all matching brakes & bearings?

87manche
May 29th, 2006, 20:35
taking the tone rings from the axle shafts seemed like it wasn't going to happen. Rather than bork the axle shafts it was easier to go and get new rotors.
At that point I just decided to go and do the whole thing and get new calipers and pads too.
I can tell you this, the MJ stops like it never has before. I can lock up all four wheels easily.
After I tightened the pinion nut down it seems to be holding. I think that the pinion shaft seal is done though. We'll see, it had a small seep.
The god news is that I ran it up to about 75 MPH, no vibes, and it rides better than it did before.
Oh, and you were right about 3.73's and a detroit. I can beat ricers now, and it powerslides like you wouldn't believe. Even the wife found sideways burnouts fun. No more of that though, D35 no likey.

87manche
May 30th, 2006, 07:30
Well, it started and drove this morning. Short of putting the front D-Shaft back in I think we're done folks.
Pinion nut still seems to be holding up.
Have to retorque all of my suspension bolts and get an alignment done.

Lawn Cher'
May 30th, 2006, 07:44
Some locktite on the pinion nut couldn't hurt. I'm glad you are enjoying the setup... my MJ never was that fast, but I liked 31's and 3.73's on my 5-speed XJ. I can only imagine what it would do with the lighter chassis and more controllable long wheel base.

Dirk Pitt
May 30th, 2006, 07:51
I torqued the pinion nut down until it met the crush sleeve,

I didn't think Dana axles used crush sleeves.

BRIANHO13
May 30th, 2006, 07:54
I didn't think Dana axles used crush sleeves.

LP stuff does, hp does not.

IntrepidXJ
May 30th, 2006, 07:54
I didn't think Dana axles used crush sleeves.

d35's do

IntrepidXJ
May 30th, 2006, 07:55
LP stuff does, hp does not.

my rear LP D44 does not

BRIANHO13
May 30th, 2006, 08:23
my rear LP D44 does not

Well that blows that theory then, I thought all the low pinion stuff did, unless a solid spacer is swapped in......

87manche
May 30th, 2006, 08:30
well, I looked in the FSM and it said it did. Currie confirmed that what I did was the best option short of a complete teardown. The thread in OEM