A teenager's rant from an adults sterotype

[GoliathJeeper]

Today I went to the wrecking yard. Going to get some rear discs from an explorer and some random stuff off a TOTALED ZJ. Here's the story. I called the owner of the place who happens to be close friends with my family a few weeks ago. Ask him about the parts he said come get them when the titles here. 1 week ago, titles there come when you can, nobody's interested in the stuff, placed in back lot for me. Went today, second man on the totem pole was holding down the fort. Here's some background before going any further. I am 6' 8" with black hair which I just happened to have gelled up today in short spikes. 2 points against me. Not in any way "goth" as people like to use that term so losely. Just something my girlfriend (hairdresser) thought I should try. I also happened to be wearing a "black" Iron Maiden shirt. I don't live too far from this place and I can usually use the tools from the owner so I decided to skateboard to the yard, pull the parts, and get a ride from a friend who works nearby with the parts. Back to the story. As soon as I come rolling up the guy walks out the door and yells "No skating, get your ass on!" I let him know I was there to buy parts from the back yard. We walk inside while I figured the guy just wasnt in a good mood that day. I told him what I was there to get and he told me that he had placed the ZJ there because he was planning on buying some parts for it to drive it to work. Now this is the ZJ i said was TOTALED.. The engine was pushed through the firewall. Enough said on that. So I told him about the explorer parts and he told me to look at another axle that was the same already out. He led me through the very back to an axle that the rotors had almost rusted away from. Then he tells me I could get the "whole thing" for $400. WTF?! I told him I would just use the ones on the whole car. Go back to the front desk tell him I'll come back later. Let him know to call me if he decides not to fool with the ZJ. He then tells me that a lady called about a week and a half ago wanting to buy the whole thing. sniff sniff yea i smelled the b/s so i decided to come back when the owner/friend was there. As I leave the door I overhear him tell a coworker in a voice he was sure I could hear (exact words) "At least back in our day all we had were hippies, now we got all these godd**n stoner gothic kids running around wanting people to kiss their asses" Who the hell is he to judge me?! I am 17 years old and have worked since I was 12 to get everything I own. My father showed me everything I know and I have made great money and a name for myself already and yet he judges me from what he sees.?. I turned around and started my rant letting him know I wasnt anything that he thought I was and some other things that could have been left unsaid. He comes around the counter wanting to take it "outside" I open the door and walk out showing him I had no problem with a quarrel at this point. This talking escalated into a brawl which ended with me on top with a black eye and a busted lip and him with a broken nose and several bruises. My friend from the shop next door just happened to come before it got any further calling the guys out of the yards shop to end it. We both walked our seperate ways. I will have to go back tomorrow and settle things in a more civillized way. Hopefully I can continue to go there and this will all end. But please adults if you have taken the time to read this don't judge our younger generation just because over half of us are nothing and will never amount to nothing. There are still a few hidden young adults that know what "work" is and have morals. There are even fewer in my generation who still have respect for our elders. I had to go through this today because I appear older than I am and happen to have interests that qualify me for a stereotype of a group than will never go far. And by the way. Don't call a black clothing wearing person a "goth" do some research. That's not the title.

[5-90]

While I try to not judge based upon appearances, the operative word there is "try." I'll give you a chance to prove yourself before I decide you're a f***ing idiot, if I can.

Still, if you don't want to be judged by appearance, try to look a little more, well, "normal." I didn't want my kids running around in baggy pants with the crotch somewhere down around Georgia and hats on sideways - that just makes you look like a fool.

I don't know how kids are classifying themselves these days, but I'd honestly think you should have worn a cap (at least - hide the hair) and the T-shirt would not have been a problem for me - I'm still a rocker, and I enjoy old metal. If I see a kid wearing a metal tour shirt, I'll probably ask him if he went, and compare war stories.

I'm not saying you'll want to look like everyone else - the cookie-cutter mentality just don't work for me. But - especially if you're going somewhere to conduct business - try not to look too odd, wear clothes that fit, and be civil. You could have explained what you were doing (as far as transportation arrangements) to him as well - to let him know what was going on.

I'm not trying to lay all the blame on you - but it's not all on him, either. You may want to view this as a "learning experience" - and remember that experience is something you don't get until just after you need it...

Just trying to give credit - all the credit - where credit is due, that's all. Having raised two teenagers myself, I can sympathise - but I think both of you could have carried yourselves better.

5-90

[BrettM]

i'm not gonna read all that.

[XJ Dreamin']

Now all you need is some self-restraint and jujitsu lessons. I will say you're punctuation and spelling are better than some other ranters. 17 can be prosecuted as an adult. I hope you don't face any criminal or civil charges. Good luck with the project.

Oh yeah. TTSWOP

[XJ Dreamin']

5-90's got some good advice there, except...I gotta disagree about the other guy. Sounds like he deserved to be on the loosing end of a good ol' whomping. Still, you gotta hope he doesn't sue the bejeesus out of you.

Be what you are...just do it with a little more class.

[XJ Dreamin']

i'm not gonna read all that.

Not a bad read actually. As rants go around here.:roll:

[Jeepdogrob]

I kinda get the impression that you may be a little big for your britches. Doesn't sound like you are a real humble guy either. That being said, from your side of the story it appears that the other guy was mostly in the wrong. You said the place was owned by a friend? You probably should have refrained from getting in a squabble with one of his employees. Being an adult means that you pick and choose your fights wisely. Things could have been a lot less painful if you would have just talked to your buddy about the whole situation. Not saying you should of pussed out but rather handled things a little differently.

[ECKSJAY]

Today I went to the wrecking yard. Going to get some rear discs from an explorer and some random stuff off a TOTALED ZJ. Here's the story. I called the owner of the place who happens to be close friends with my family a few weeks ago. Ask him about the parts he said come get them when the titles here. 1 week ago, titles there come when you can, nobody's interested in the stuff, placed in back lot for me. Went today, second man on the totem pole was holding down the fort. Here's some background before going any further. I am 6' 8" with black hair which I just happened to have gelled up today in short spikes. 2 points against me. Not in any way "goth" as people like to use that term so losely. Just something my girlfriend (hairdresser) thought I should try. I also happened to be wearing a "black" Iron Maiden shirt. I don't live too far from this place and I can usually use the tools from the owner so I decided to skateboard to the yard, pull the parts, and get a ride from a friend who works nearby with the parts. Back to the story. As soon as I come rolling up the guy walks out the door and yells "No skating, get your ass on!" I let him know I was there to buy parts from the back yard. We walk inside while I figured the guy just wasnt in a good mood that day. I told him what I was there to get and he told me that he had placed the ZJ there because he was planning on buying some parts for it to drive it to work. Now this is the ZJ i said was TOTALED.. The engine was pushed through the firewall. Enough said on that. So I told him about the explorer parts and he told me to look at another axle that was the same already out. He led me through the very back to an axle that the rotors had almost rusted away from. Then he tells me I could get the "whole thing" for $400. WTF?! I told him I would just use the ones on the whole car. Go back to the front desk tell him I'll come back later. Let him know to call me if he decides not to fool with the ZJ. He then tells me that a lady called about a week and a half ago wanting to buy the whole thing. sniff sniff yea i smelled the b/s so i decided to come back when the owner/friend was there. As I leave the door I overhear him tell a coworker in a voice he was sure I could hear (exact words) "At least back in our day all we had were hippies, now we got all these godd**n stoner gothic kids running around wanting people to kiss their asses" Who the hell is he to judge me?! I am 17 years old and have worked since I was 12 to get everything I own. My father showed me everything I know and I have made great money and a name for myself already and yet he judges me from what he sees.?. I turned around and started my rant letting him know I wasnt anything that he thought I was and some other things that could have been left unsaid. He comes around the counter wanting to take it "outside" I open the door and walk out showing him I had no problem with a quarrel at this point. This talking escalated into a brawl which ended with me on top with a black eye and a busted lip and him with a broken nose and several bruises. My friend from the shop next door just happened to come before it got any further calling the guys out of the yards shop to end it. We both walked our seperate ways. I will have to go back tomorrow and settle things in a more civillized way. Hopefully I can continue to go there and this will all end. But please adults if you have taken the time to read this don't judge our younger generation just because over half of us are nothing and will never amount to nothing. There are still a few hidden young adults that know what "work" is and have morals. There are even fewer in my generation who still have respect for our elders. I had to go through this today because I appear older than I am and happen to have interests that qualify me for a stereotype of a group than will never go far. And by the way. Don't call a black clothing wearing person a "goth" do some research. That's not the title.

Holy crap, you're a hothead. Tough talk on the internet, kid...dollars to donuts says either the 'fight' didn't happen or you got your ass kicked hard. You did just fine up to the 'well I decided I'd come back when my friend was there.' After that you sound like you're making it up. ;)

[5-90]

5-90's got some good advice there, except...I gotta disagree about the other guy. Sounds like he deserved to be on the loosing end of a good ol' whomping. Still, you gotta hope he doesn't sue the bejeesus out of you.

Be what you are...just do it with a little more class.

Actually, I don't think I commented on the "fight" at all. I didn't see that as worthy of comment - since it appeared to be more or less consensual (at least, the other guy probably had some idea what he might have been doing - just didn't know well enough. From the read, anyhow.)

I think if you re-read, you'll find that I assign blame on both sides more or less equally - the "adult" wasn't acting as such - and while it's not proper to judge based upon appearance, it's still going to happen - and the "teen" might have been a little more civil (I'm not sure) and should probably have toned down his appearance, fur business' sake.

5-90

[westsacxj]

unfortunately and like it or not you WILL be judged on the way you look. If you are not willing to accept that fact you need tolearn how to suck it up or change the way you look. I am covered with tattoos have my lip pierced and sometimes sport a mohawk. All though we shouldnt get judged on our looks we do.

[rock rash]

people always assume im a stoner...but im not!

[XJ Dreamin']

Actually, I don't think I commented on the "fight" at all. I didn't see that as worthy of comment - since it appeared to be more or less consensual (at least, the other guy probably had some idea what he might have been doing - just didn't know well enough. From the read, anyhow.)

I think if you re-read, you'll find that I assign blame on both sides more or less equally - the "adult" wasn't acting as such - and while it's not proper to judge based upon appearance, it's still going to happen - and the "teen" might have been a little more civil (I'm not sure) and should probably have toned down his appearance, fur business' sake.

5-90

Well, the fight was so silly I was attempting some humor. A poor attempt, I admit and I apologize for misrepresenting you.

GoliathJeeper: The guy was out of line, yes. OTOH, you picked a fight that came out way too even - black eye and busted lip vs. broken nose and bruises. Either learn some self-restraint or learn some skills before you get so defensive about your appearance, again. Next time might not come out so even.

[5-90]

OK - just making sure. I'm not generally misunderstood, so I wanted to make sure I'd stated my case fairly clearly...

Goloath - going around picking fights isn't generally recommended. You might run into someone like me next time, and you'll be lucky if you're not killed. I have no trouble at all taking on people larger than me, and a took out some kid waving a knife in my face about two weeks ago...

Just a friendly warning.

5-90

[oo7ravisXJ]

people always assume im a stoner...but im not!
your joking... right?

[CanMan]

Your 6'8" and ended up with a black eye?
How fawkin tall was the other dude?
He did lead it on by wanting to take it outside.
What happened, did you two just start throwin blows? How did it start?
I like to hear fighting stories.
He said all they had was hippies in his days, now there are goddam gothic stoners. WTF did hippies smoke? Cow dung? Pubic hair?

[klonestar]

I think if you re-read, you'll find that I assign blame on both sides more or less equally - the "adult" wasn't acting as such - and while it's not proper to judge based upon appearance, it's still going to happen - and the "teen" might have been a little more civil (I'm not sure) and should probably have toned down his appearance, fur business' sake.

5-90

I agree to blame on both sides. No reason for this to have happened. If the guy at the yard was a dink, so be it. Stay calm and talk to your friend who owns the yard and complain about the dink! He had no right being that way and I would think if the owner gave a damn he would have made ammends and corrected the situation. The adult proved he is not a profesional and the company is at fault if the story is correct.(on a professional level) He should have shut the door behind you and stayed inside. By being a dink to, you lowered yourself to his level and may very well cause future friction for everyone.

I dont think any dress should matter at a junk yard providing your legally clothed! Its not like you were going in there looking for a job.

You should have explained right off the bat! No excuse there.

Every one is biased as to their own opinions but no reason to force it on others. People are judgemental, always have been and always will be. Every generation is "out of control" as compared to the last one. Nothing has changed. Welcome to life!

Im fifty with two grandkids. Im guilty of prejudging as well. I do however wait to see what the person is like no matter what they look like!

Frankly, I trust a guy in a 3 piece a lot less than the guy w/tats and piercings, pink hair whatever.

No need to get roudy over it though. Not worth it. Joke em if they cant take a f__k! Learn how to prove to the world that not everyone that dresses like that is a dink!

signed: been there done that

[klonestar]

WTF did hippies smoke? Cow dung? Pubic hair?

No man, I'd tell ya,:wow: but I forgot.

[creeperjeep]

hahaha you got injured in a scuffle with a drunken portugese man.....

well thats the stereotype of junkyards around here,,,although you could sub in an irishman

[Rev Den]

At the start of violence, you both lost.

Fawking grow the fawk up!

I treat everyone as worthless, until proven otherwise.

Rev

[XJ Jeepin Girl]

people always assume im a stoner...but im not!

Yeah... that's why your icon is a marijuana leaf... surrre. :looney:

[ckh550]

If you don't want adults to judge you and your generation incorrectly as being a jerk and a punk, then don't get in fights with junkyard employees. Ever think you might be contributing to the stereotype? So the guy was an asshole......you still didn't act real mature or responsible when you decided you wanted to fight the guy.

[GrayT]

Everyone gets judged. In CO it is illegal for a cop to profile someone based on what kind of car they drive, or how old they look... but in the end they still do it better their understanding and for various other reasons.

This experience was in no way different from profiling.

If someone says something to you that you don't like, brush it off. You will always look like the better person at the end of the day. You won't go home wanting to kick someones ass, you won't post on NAXJA about how pissed off you are, and more importantly... you will be begin to care less about what people negatively say about you.

[JeepFreak21]

http://www.slicky.net/uploads/enterkey.gif
Billy

[GoliathJeeper]

If someone says something to you that you don't like, brush it off. You will always look like the better person at the end of the day. You won't go home wanting to kick someones ass, you won't post on NAXJA about how pissed off you are, and more importantly... you will be begin to care less about what people negatively say about you.


I am not trying to be a whiner about what happened. I am just wanting people to know where an attitude and assuming can land you. Yes I should have just blew it off and let it be but I didn't and it put me in a swell fight. As far as that goes just because I am a large guy doesn't mean I go aroud kicking ass. It's just that I am willing to fight for a few things. Mainly being friends, family, and beliefs. Which has got me in to trouble but I usually don't just attack someone because I am a good at fighting. Take the anger out in a ring is what my grandpa tells me. (Boxer) lol. But one thing that WILL NOT happen is me conforming myself to what other people thing is "okay" if we were to all to that we would have to keep several changes of clothes and a hairbrush and razor in a backpack 24/7. So that's not gonna happen.

[ckh550]

But one thing that WILL NOT happen is me conforming myself to what other people thing is "okay" if we were to all to that we would have to keep several changes of clothes and a hairbrush and razor in a backpack 24/7. So that's not gonna happen.

In the military we all conform....and we don't have to carry several changes of clothes, we wear the same thing every day!!


Chris

[XJ Dreamin']

I am not trying to be a whiner about what happened. I am just wanting people to know where an attitude and assuming can land you. Yes I should have just blew it off and let it be but I didn't and it put me in a swell fight. As far as that goes just because I am a large guy doesn't mean I go aroud kicking ass. It's just that I am willing to fight for a few things. Mainly being friends, family, and beliefs. Which has got me in to trouble but I usually don't just attack someone because I am a good at fighting. Take the anger out in a ring is what my grandpa tells me. (Boxer) lol. But one thing that WILL NOT happen is me conforming myself to what other people thing is "okay" if we were to all to that we would have to keep several changes of clothes and a hairbrush and razor in a backpack 24/7. So that's not gonna happen.

You won't conform but you let this guy lead you into a fight. I don't say conform. OTOH, don't live your life in the McFly syndrome where you can be led by the nose by any jerkwad who pulls your chain. Be whatever you want to be, but most of all - be smart. Oh, and don't let a fight come out even. I'm sure your Grandpa would agree on that.

[MT Mike]

Well written rant. First thing that comes to my mind is... There is always at least three sides to a story. Yours, his, and the truth. As far as I'm concerned, neither one of you deserve any sympathy. So an insult from an "adult" is worth fighting over? I'd say you have more growing up to do than the other guy. Hope your temper doesn't land you in jail one day. Good luck.

[WVXJ]

I can totally identify. DON'T conform, let those old chumps gain a little respect for US! If they can't respect another human being regardless of looks then maybe an asswhippin' will help them along. I don't give respect to older folks who demand it, i give it to those who DESERVE it or EARN it. Being old doesn't make it right to judge people and it certainly doesn't necessitate one being respectable. Besides, most problems young people face were created or perpetuated by these old stereotypical morons. Nobodies above an asswhippin', especially not old folks (or anyone) that runs their mouth like that guy.

[rock rash]

Yeah... that's why your icon is a marijuana leaf... surrre. :looney:i am an activist, not a user...:confused1

[MT Mike]

I can totally identify. DON'T conform, let those old chumps gain a little respect for US! If they can't respect another human being regardless of looks then maybe an asswhippin' will help them along. I don't give respect to older folks who demand it, i give it to those who DESERVE it or EARN it. Being old doesn't make it right to judge people and it certainly doesn't necessitate one being respectable. Besides, most problems young people face were created or perpetuated by these old stereotypical morons. Nobodies above an asswhippin', especially not old folks (or anyone) that runs their mouth like that guy.

Guys like this are the reason that "kids" get judged.

[FarmerMatt]

I am not trying to be a whiner about what happened. I am just wanting people to know where an attitude and assuming can land you. Yes I should have just blew it off and let it be but I didn't and it put me in a swell fight. As far as that goes just because I am a large guy doesn't mean I go aroud kicking ass. It's just that I am willing to fight for a few things. Mainly being friends, family, and beliefs. Which has got me in to trouble but I usually don't just attack someone because I am a good at fighting. Take the anger out in a ring is what my grandpa tells me. (Boxer) lol. But one thing that WILL NOT happen is me conforming myself to what other people thing is "okay" if we were to all to that we would have to keep several changes of clothes and a hairbrush and razor in a backpack 24/7. So that's not gonna happen.

You're willing to fight for a few things? Used disc breaks off a totaled ZJ are worth fighting over? Rev was right on, you both lost when this went to blows. The point is why do you care what some bozo behind the counter at a junkyard thinks? The guys working at a junkyard... If you really want to be "grown up" than be a man & act grown up. This means handeling yourself respectfully & controlling your emotions. As soon as you let the guy get to you you proved that you are still only a punk kid. The other guy isn't any better, but you should have been the better man & walked away.

Conformaty is relative. You may think you're being "different", but you all look alike to me. You dress & look that way because you want attention. Don't be upset when that look gets you attention.

Matt

[Fergie]

No sh!t Matt.

All you "non-conformists", are full or yourselves. Take a look at another non-conformist, and I bet you are pretty similar...conforming to your "non-conformist" attitude.

You are lucky your ass isnt in a body bag.

Fergie

[egghead]

I can totally identify. DON'T conform, let those old chumps gain a little respect for US! If they can't respect another human being regardless of looks then maybe an asswhippin' will help them along. I don't give respect to older folks who demand it, i give it to those who DESERVE it or EARN it. Being old doesn't make it right to judge people and it certainly doesn't necessitate one being respectable. Besides, most problems young people face were created or perpetuated by these old stereotypical morons. Nobodies above an asswhippin', especially not old folks (or anyone) that runs their mouth like that guy.

You better watch it, You may think you can kick some "old farts" aZ$, but you have to think these men have been around the block a time or two. They will give you a nice size knot on your head. You should have respect for your elders no matter what. I dont care if they demand it, or they deserve it. You should ALWAYS have respect. All I have to say is grow up, and thats from a fellow teen.

oh and by the way.. some words from a legend, Bocephus.... "Why cant we all just git' a looong neck"

Give respect, receive respect.

Egg

[XJ Dreamin']

i am an active user...:confused1

Wow. You got to watch your spelling. Fixed it for ya'. :laugh3:

[MT Mike]

You're willing to fight for a few things?
Matt

What Matt said x's 1000. This is why this country could use a MANDATORY 2 year military service requirement. Takes the fight right out of ya.

And as far as conformity goes...Ever notice when you ask someone why they got that tattoo or piercing, they answer "to be different". How different can you be if every other person is doing the same thing? Think about it.

[dyna]

I wouldent take it personally. Unfortunatly some of the youth of America have painted a shitty picture for all of the younger crowd. Kinda like the one bad apple that suceeds in closing down his favorite riding/wheeling place by being a asshat and shooting up the signs and acting like a general dumbass. My step son wears a Green Mohawk as of lately, says he wants to be different and is angry he`s not accepted by the world. With a green Mohawk what does he expect. He to is a skater/blade rider. As expected the redneck element where we live are unaccepting of him but he`s still the same honor student he`s always been. Screw the guy and if the owner whos your family friend feels the same, screw him also, word will get around and he`ll loose buisness and fold up eventually.
Seems anymore everyone wants to beat,kill or?? the other guy anymore.
To many twinkiees I suppose.

[jeepinandy]

I know several older folks who were in the military, and I'm sure there are more like them and myself (I didn't serve but thats not the point), I'm old enough to know that asswhoopins hurt, and that I don't want anymore. If it comes to blows, I'll do whatever it takes not to get whooped, be it by a punk kid or whoever, not incinuating(sp) you're a punk just that you need to be careful who you want to pick a fight with, referring to the body bag mentioned before....

[shortxjdoug]

i think the real lesson here is don't fight junkyard employees because they are scary enough to start with, also, i'm 18 too man and i gotta deal with the same thing, thats why i pay for everything in cash, people judge you a lot less when you plunk down your hard earned cash to buy stuff :D

[rock rash]

No sh!t Matt.

All you "non-conformists", are full or yourselves. Take a look at another non-conformist, and I bet you are pretty similar...conforming to your "non-conformist" attitude.

You are lucky your ass isnt in a body bag.

FergieI agree. I realized this a few years ago when all the goth kids in my school did not conform by all wearing the same thing...starnge.

[Ludakris]

Iron Maiden Rules!
:viking:
Didnt get much out of the rest....

[XJ Dreamin']

Iron Maiden Rules!
:viking:
Didnt get much out of the rest....

Iron Butterfly Rules!

Iron Maiden can bite my... Never mind. I don't want to get in a fight :angel:

[Ralph]

Unfortunatley, there are asshats in this world and you are going to have to deal with them no matter how your hair or clothes look. I like the comment, give respect, get respect. It goes a long way. I also don't believe in lowering oneself to the same level as the ass you are dealing with. Now that the lecture is over, go to your room and think about it until I tell you to come out.

[PW1XJ99]

Iron Butterfly Rules!





Reminds me of the Simpsons when Bart switched the church music with In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida (http://www.simpsoncrazy.com/downloads/track.php?dl=music/gaddadavida.mp3) :roflmao:





Evil Duke: Put them in the iron maiden.
Ted: Iron Maiden?
Bill, Ted: Excellent!
[air guitar]
Evil Duke: Execute them.
Bill, Ted: Bogus!



BTW, Iron Maiden had the coolest album covers! :yelclap:


http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b194/Tekgino/MISC/maiden.jpg

[red91]

:rolleyes:


I demand some tylenol after that.

I wonder if your lawyer can kick his lawyers ass.....hmmmm...

[CMNCHE]

This Thread Is Worthless Without Pics

[Dirt]

You're willing to fight for a few things? Used disc breaks off a totaled ZJ are worth fighting over? Rev was right on, you both lost when this went to blows. The point is why do you care what some bozo behind the counter at a junkyard thinks? The guys working at a junkyard... If you really want to be "grown up" than be a man & act grown up. This means handeling yourself respectfully & controlling your emotions. As soon as you let the guy get to you you proved that you are still only a punk kid. The other guy isn't any better, but you should have been the better man & walked away.

Conformaty is relative. You may think you're being "different", but you all look alike to me. You dress & look that way because you want attention. Don't be upset when that look gets you attention.

Matt

I gotta give a x2 on that one.


Remember kids.... No matter how stupid you look and how little you get laid, You're the same rotting, decaying shit as everything around you. :thumbup:

[rubix-xj]

receive respect,, give respect

[GoliathJeeper]

I'm glad this got some feedback. Now just for clarity I am an honor student and by what I meant about not conforming doesnt mean I am trying to not be like all the other punk asses out there. What I mean is that I will not do what the people in my podunk town think is the way I should be doing. Going hunting every chance I get, driving white Z71's, wearing cowboy hillbilly clothes everywhere I go. I do not act any other way than my parents raised me to be. And I have learned to be myself. I do not wear huge baggy clothes, that's just stupid. Plus they get in the way when I try to work. Also, by my saying I am not a conformist, I mean I cannot and will not change my outside appearance just to get people to like me or get better service. I like to wear nice clothes and I know what to wear when it's approriate. But I cannot see were some "kid" wearing levi's and a "black" "metal" band shirt skating should be stereotyped. If some weirdo wants to be different by looking like a measely 2% of the people in a local area so be it. But I cannot change myself now. It's too late. Accept me or don't. I will give complete respect to you if you are an adult just for the fact that you have had more experience than me in life. But for someone within 8 years of my age, it needs to be earned. Just as I have earned respect from others for myself. Oh yea. And to all you guys saying get into military service, that's my plan, every male in my family has served in a form of our nations military. Has it gotten the fight out of them? Grandfather: Boxed in the Air Force (fight is STILL in him), great uncle: army mixed martial arts fighter. So think before speaking. It helps before acting too. (I know) :)

[XgeekstarX]

i woulda beat him with the skateboard but that's just me

[5-90]

As mentioned, conformity is largely relative. It's not necessary to look just like everyone else or to act just like everyone else, but dress and act for the occasion. I'd not wear the same thing to a wedding that I'd wear going to the parts house, or that I'd wear going to the pool hall.

Also, there's no guaranteed that serving will "take the fight out of you" - it didn't work much for me, either. I haven't started a fight since I was 10, but I do tend to finish them. That was the gist of my comment earlier - be careful. I will respond to a threat in the most violent and expeditious manner available - that's just training that I've got.

More than anything else, just try not to look too different. It's not worth going too far out of your way to be different - nor it is worth the trouble to fit in completely. Be yourself, but always remember that you are unique - just like everyone else. Don't take life too seriously, we're not going to get out of it alive.

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[GoliathJeeper]

As mentioned, conformity is largely relative. It's not necessary to look just like everyone else or to act just like everyone else, but dress and act for the occasion. I'd not wear the same thing to a wedding that I'd wear going to the parts house, or that I'd wear going to the pool hall.

Also, there's no guaranteed that serving will "take the fight out of you" - it didn't work much for me, either. I haven't started a fight since I was 10, but I do tend to finish them. That was the gist of my comment earlier - be careful. I will respond to a threat in the most violent and expeditious manner available - that's just training that I've got.

More than anything else, just try not to look too different. It's not worth going too far out of your way to be different - nor it is worth the trouble to fit in completely. Be yourself, but always remember that you are unique - just like everyone else. Don't take life too seriously, we're not going to get out of it alive.

5-90

I can really appreciate that. I understand completely dressing for the occasion, and also not going out of your way to "not conform". Also about not picking fights. I know what I did was a hot headed, stupid thing to do. Which normally I wouldnt have but I just let my "feelings" get in the way when I should have just let it slide without provoking the situation.

[XJ Dreamin']

I'm glad this got some feedback. Now just for clarity I am an honor student and by what I meant about not conforming doesnt mean I am trying to not be like all the other punk asses out there. What I mean is that I will not do what the people in my podunk town think is the way I should be doing. Going hunting every chance I get, driving white Z71's, wearing cowboy hillbilly clothes everywhere I go. I do not act any other way than my parents raised me to be. And I have learned to be myself. I do not wear huge baggy clothes, that's just stupid. Plus they get in the way when I try to work. Also, by my saying I am not a conformist, I mean I cannot and will not change my outside appearance just to get people to like me or get better service. I like to wear nice clothes and I know what to wear when it's approriate. But I cannot see were some "kid" wearing levi's and a "black" "metal" band shirt skating should be stereotyped. If some weirdo wants to be different by looking like a measely 2% of the people in a local area so be it. But I cannot change myself now. It's too late. Accept me or don't. I will give complete respect to you if you are an adult just for the fact that you have had more experience than me in life. But for someone within 8 years of my age, it needs to be earned. Just as I have earned respect from others for myself. Oh yea. And to all you guys saying get into military service, that's my plan, every male in my family has served in a form of our nations military. Has it gotten the fight out of them? Grandfather: Boxed in the Air Force (fight is STILL in him), great uncle: army mixed martial arts fighter. So think before speaking. It helps before acting too. (I know) :)

edit: I was writing this as you were responding to 5-90. I hope you take it in the same vein of trying to help. end edit:

There are some serious points in my posts, here - mixed in with the joking around.

First - Do not be led around by the nose and into a fight by some punk junkyard clerk pulling your chain. If there is to be a fight, make it your fight. You jumped in head first and left your brains behind. Your brains is your most important asset in a fight. That's why I'm talking about self-restraint. Not "Don't ever do nothin'." But, when you do have to act, make it for something good. Don't go into a fight dumb.

Second - I don't agree with conforming to avoid harrassment. This is a free country and you have the right of expression and the pursuit of happiness. Be what you want to be. That said, be proud of what you choose to be. That does not mean beating the crap out some punk junkyard clerk (which you didn't do anyway). That means being secure in what you choose to be. Secure enough that the opinion of a punk junkyard clerk don't mean a pile of cow flop. His opinion is certainly not worth the risk of exposing yourself to God knows what communicable diseases (including AIDS) by mixing blood with him. Before you expose yourself to that level of risk (not to mention the chance that he'll bring more than his fists to the fight), make sure the cause is worthy of the risk.

Third - That fight came out way too even. Before you get into another fight go back to your Grandpa and your Great Uncle and learn some useful skills. Don't be proud of your black eye and busted lip. 6' 8" or not - he should never have touched you. edit: Better yet - go see 5-90. IIRC, he gives lessons.

[XJ Dreamin']

Reminds me of the Simpsons when Bart switched the church music with In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida (http://www.simpsoncrazy.com/downloads/track.php?dl=music/gaddadavida.mp3) :roflmao:

In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida Baby. You can't leave off the "Baby". It doesn't make any sense without the "Baby".


BTW, Iron Maiden had the coolest album covers! :yelclap:


http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b194/Tekgino/MISC/maiden.jpg

Formulaeic Pop Graphics with no socially significant content. Much like the music. :laugh3:

[XJ Dreamin']

This Thread Is Worthless Without Pics

I said that back in post #4. Now that I think about it - the only pics that can save this thread would put it in the Den.

[Beej]

I said that back in post #4. Now that I think about it - the only pics that can save this thread would put it in the Den. Ah the Den. How is the Den these days anyway? Any large ladies lurking?

:compwork:

[XJ Dreamin']

Ah the Den. How is the Den these days anyway? Any large ladies lurking?

:compwork:

Woefully lacking, I am sorry to report. Just between you and me (on a public forum), I rather enjoyed your contributions. Come back soon.

[5-90]

Gah. You had to chime in, didn't you, Beej?

I'll readily admit that I like them just a little thick, but let's not get silly... I do still expect proportion to be maintained - if I wanted a five-foot weather balloon, I'd go get one at the Army/Navy store...

As far as "giving lessons" - I don't mind teaching basics, but I'm not out to make killers out of people. I've got enough to deal with that on my own... I'm one of those guys that if a fight lasts more than 10-15 seconds, I'm either wasting time, sparring, or just having fun with the guy.

Last time I mixed it up for real, it was some kid who pulled a knife on me. I didn't bother returning the favour with one of my own (I tend to carry at least two,) but instead just slammed him into a brick wall nice and hard, and stepped out of the way as he fell backwards.

I then relieved him of his knife (not too hard to do - he'd dropped it when he hit the wall anyhow,) went back into the bank to have it thrown away, and drove off. I had someone ask me if I was going to call the cops, and I just said "Why? He probably won't make that mistake again..."

I won't punish a man unnecessarily for making mistakes. I will only punish a man for not learning from his mistakes. If I see him on the other side of a bare blade again, this time he'll hit the ground dead. Probably take about the same amount of time - I'll just apply the force in a different place.

As far as training, my wife can now throw my arse handily around the back yard. I need to get some rubber training knives to step up her training.

My size? 6'3", 248#.

Her size? 5'2", Further Deponent Sayeth Not (I like being married, oddly enough!)

"Ha! Now Groo does what Groo does best!"

5-90

[jpars]

I am 17 and have a few things to say

#1, Maiden is untouchable, end of story.

me and my friend drove 400 miles to see them at ozzfest......most unbeivable thing i have ever witnessed.


Also, I am a 2 year starting varsity football player on a state finalist team, and will be playing football in college next year. During the middle of our run to the finals, I couldn't walk in a Red Robin or Chilis (or hardly anywhere for that matter) with friends wearing LHS Football shirts without having poeple come up to me and bs for 15 minutes. Its funny to me how I can walk into the same exact resturaunt wearing my death on the road shirt, barely baggy khaki slacks, and a generic work boot 4 months later, and the first thing the seater asks me is "Ok "dude" , so exactly how drunk are we tonight?"

i also would like to say that as a 17 year old, any time a 17 year old posts an online description of a fight, it is blown out of proportion or made up. thats just a fact, me included.



http://www.ebtm.com/content/ebiz/ebtm/invt/12482010/l.jpg


ps i beat the waiter to death

edit: ps not a picture of me, from google

[Ramsey]

admit it, your just some dumb redneck hick from louisiana who doesnt know anything about anthing. Grow up, most normal people dont fight it out with someone just because they say something about them.

[XJ Dreamin']

bs i beat the waiter to death



fixed it for ya' :laugh3:

Apperance is everything...to the observer. Wishing it were otherwise makes no diference what-so-ever. Here's my take on the whole apperance thing. Knowing that the observer is prejudiced, create an apperance that makes him do what you want him to do. If you want him to seat you at a nice table, present yourself in a manner that takes advantage of his prejudice. It's called "working" an individual. You don't have to change who you are, but OTOH, you're not going to change who he is. So, use his prejudice to your advantage. If you don't give a shit, fine. But that does not negate his prejudice. That will always exist. I say use it to your advantage.

[XJ Dreamin']

Better yet - go see 5-90. IIRC, he gives lessons.

damn 5-90. Sorry about that. I put you on the spot. First I misrepresented your position, then I put you on the spot. :foot_in_mouth:

[5-90]

'S OK - I've been on tougher spots. Besides, he's in TX - I can't be sure he'd drive 1500 miles for self-defense lessons...

The "social engineering" approach - using the prejudices of others to your advantage - is something that you usually pick up once you have the "perspective of years" behind you. IOW - once you've lived for a while. I've yet to see a teen-ager develop it without some serious abuse.

You are, however, entirely correct about that - and that is something I just wasn't going to bring up because one usually has to learn it for oneself. You did, did you not? I was alluding to it, and giving leading examples - but the best lessons are the ones you learn on your own.

"Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it."
"Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want."

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[ECKSJAY]

i woulda beat him with the skateboard but that's just me

Deadly force which can be matched with deadly force where I come from. Buyer beware.

;)

[5-90]

Morally, one is required to meet a deadly force attack with lethal force, delivered in kind.

It just so happens that I will want to kill you more than you will want to kill me. However, I will use that "moral requirement" defense in the event that I actually have to defend myself legally - even though the Soverign State of California tends to look askance upon private citizens using lethal force for any reason.

However, should I bring my prior training into the courtroom, it will likely be dismissed as "reflex action" - just responding to a threat and a situation according to training and experience.

I really try not to kill people, but reflexes sometimes get the better of me. I haven't killed anyone off-duty since 1994, and that was ruled as self-defence anyhow.

5-90

[XJ Dreamin']

'S OK - I've been on tougher spots. Besides, he's in TX - I can't be sure he'd drive 1500 miles for self-defense lessons...

The "social engineering" approach - using the prejudices of others to your advantage - is something that you usually pick up once you have the "perspective of years" behind you. IOW - once you've lived for a while. I've yet to see a teen-ager develop it without some serious abuse.

You are, however, entirely correct about that - and that is something I just wasn't going to bring up because one usually has to learn it for oneself. You did, did you not? I was alluding to it, and giving leading examples - but the best lessons are the ones you learn on your own.

"Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it."
"Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want."

5-90

It's a hard point to get across. They feel like "being themselves" is something they have to advertise to the world. In fact, it is entirely appropriate to keep your "self" private (Sorry about all the "quotes." If you could see me it's really quite comical: trying to type while doing the "quote" thing with my fingers). Those who are allowed to see your "self" should be a small select group. Everyone else should be left guessing. When necessary to achieve a specific goal it is entirely appropriate to feed an individual whatever persona works for the situation (within whatever ethical bounds you choose to adopt).

Also, prejudice will not go away at your own whim. Rather than getting a black eye out of it, use it. Those who depend on their prejudices are quite easily bent.

On the deadly force issue: Precedence in Texas holds that fear of bodily harm or fear of damage or loss of property (even if it is not actually your property) is justification for use of deadly force. An assailant does not have to do any actual harm. One only need fear one will be harmed. Re: A drunk Scotsman shot off a backyard fence; a Japanese exchange student gunned down on a front sidewalk; a repossession agent shot through the back in the performance of his duty; and an enraged motorist who was shot down after delivering one punch. Just four cases that I followed in the press. Of course, if you drive round and round running over your spouse repeatedly, you might go to jail.

[XJ Dreamin']

'S OK - I've been on tougher spots. Besides, he's in TX - I can't be sure he'd drive 1500 miles for self-defense lessons...


Louisiana. Please. That is not the same as Texas. I'm not even a native Texan and I know that :laugh3:

[XJ Dreamin']

Deadly force which can be matched with deadly force where I come from. Buyer beware.

;)

"Isn't that just like a wop? Brings a knife to a gun fight."
- Jim Malone. The Untouchables 1987 (just before he was gunned down by Nitti)

[XJ Jeepin Girl]

"Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it."


So true. Wow, this thread is long. I'm surprised I'm just getting to it now.

[Darky]

However, should I bring my prior training into the courtroom, it will likely be dismissed as "reflex action" - just responding to a threat and a situation according to training and experience.

From what I've seen, that type of defense will usually get you looked at as a danger to society...unless you can prove you were mentally damaged as a result of or during training.
:D That's why there's always a big uproar whenever a pit bites someone vs a lab biting someone. People see a pitbull attack and assume it was its years of training and breeding to be a fighting dog...

[HeavyMetal]

with all that said

WHO WANTS TO FIGHT?!?!!??1111O2H2

[Beej]

with all that said

WHO WANTS TO FIGHT?!?!!??1111O2H2
:laugh2:

[5-90]

From what I've seen, that type of defense will usually get you looked at as a danger to society...unless you can prove you were mentally damaged as a result of or during training.
:D That's why there's always a big uproar whenever a pit bites someone vs a lab biting someone. People see a pitbull attack and assume it was its years of training and breeding to be a fighting dog...

Which is why I've been trying to damn the "kill reflex" I've had trained into me. It's not a product of upbringing or of heredity - it's a product of military training and service, and people like me are just as necessary to society as nearly everyone else (except, say, for terminal welfare recipients...)

Fortunately, I've not killed anyone off-duty that wasn't presenting some form of lethal threat - either to me, or to someone else. I've also been able to avoid the use of "excessive force" - which helps.

5-90

[PW1XJ99]

with all that said

WHO WANTS TO FIGHT?!?!!??1111O2H2


Pizza man! http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b194/Tekgino/Jokes/pizza.gif



http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b194/Tekgino/Jokes/laugh2.gif

[HeavyMetal]

Pizza man! http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b194/Tekgino/Jokes/pizza.gif



http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b194/Tekgino/Jokes/laugh2.gif

hey ill cut you just like i do the pizza

LOL i love that pizza smilie

[IMORTL]

At the start of violence, you both lost.

Fawking grow the fawk up!

I treat everyone as worthless, until proven otherwise.

Rev

amen rev

[IMORTL]

You're willing to fight for a few things? Used disc breaks off a totaled ZJ are worth fighting over? Rev was right on, you both lost when this went to blows. The point is why do you care what some bozo behind the counter at a junkyard thinks? The guys working at a junkyard... If you really want to be "grown up" than be a man & act grown up. This means handeling yourself respectfully & controlling your emotions. As soon as you let the guy get to you you proved that you are still only a punk kid. The other guy isn't any better, but you should have been the better man & walked away.

Conformaty is relative. You may think you're being "different", but you all look alike to me. You dress & look that way because you want attention. Don't be upset when that look gets you attention.

Matt

well put matt... I usually try to tell people that they wouldn't look cool until they have one more thing in their head... until then you look like every other dude with a piercing... you lost the verbal battle and got mad...

[ECKSJAY]

with all that said

WHO WANTS TO FIGHT?!?!!??1111O2H2

I know, really! You're right, it's a waste of time and we should all just get along.

[XJ Dreamin']

I know, really! You're right, it's a waste of time and we should all just get along.

ergo: the avitar :thumbup: