ssince everyone hates fram,what are frams clones?

[97xjstock]

like the title says,,,,what brands are repackaged frams ,,,,,or brands just as horrible

[littlebluexj]

bosh suck don't ever use them.

I run some all white on that I picked up at the race shop its the same one I use in the 5.0 foxbody.

I have the filter and the metal magnatic cover for it.

[BCParker]

I hate the jiffy lube filters (don't know the brand), oil pressure was always low, changed to napa gold, pressure is much better (within spec at least).

I also don't like Napa silver or whatever they call it now.


I tried the larger "301" size filter you read about on the internet, that sucked too. I'm pretty sure it was causing damage to the engine (took 3-5 seconds to build pressure compared to the 1-2 seconds with the regular sized napa gold.)

[XgeekstarX]

im pretty sure the advance auto parts brand filters are made by fram.

[hippymill]

napa are wix(best out there IMO). walmart brand sux too

[RyleyF]

I used Purolator, they look like they're built decent.

[ILLXJ]

napa are wix(best out there IMO).
X2. JIM.

[NotMatt]

I only use wix filters... I've never heard anything bad about them from anyone, and my local parts store carries them.

I don't know that Fram has any other "brands" or value lines or anything, but I could be wrong.... I know the Napa in-house are simply rebranded Wix filters.

[CanMan]

GM ACDelco filter.

[MT Mike]

I can tell you as a former service advisor for Daimler Chrysler, Fram is the ONLY filter that DC specifically states AUTOMATICALLY voids the engine warranty if installed. How do I know this? We had to tell a guy with less than 2k miles on his '05 diesel that he had to buy his new engine out of pocket after the Fram filter was sucked into the engine causing it to sieze. $12k later, he was driving his truck again and had himself a nice little lawsuit against Fram. IMHO, you can never go wrong with Wix filters.

[XJCreeper]

Pennzoil filters are repackaged fram filters.:explosion

[pikey77]

Why doesn't anyone just use MOPAR filters? They're only 6 or 7 bucks.

[ILLXJ]

Why doesn't anyone just use MOPAR filters? They're only 6 or 7 bucks.
I don't like waiting around for anothe 2hrs. after I get off work. Napa is open & on the way haome. JIM.

[anony91xj]

I can tell you as a former service advisor for Daimler Chrysler, Fram is the ONLY filter that DC specifically states AUTOMATICALLY voids the engine warranty if installed. How do I know this? We had to tell a guy with less than 2k miles on his '05 diesel that he had to buy his new engine out of pocket after the Fram filter was sucked into the engine causing it to sieze. $12k later, he was driving his truck again and had himself a nice little lawsuit against Fram. IMHO, you can never go wrong with Wix filters.

He didn't have the original factory filter on it after only 2k miles?

No warranty would cover that, regardless of the filter make. It's also illegal for a filter alone to void an entire warranty. If the filter causes engine damage, it's not a manufacturing defect and therefore not covered under warranty. However, if an engine goes south because of an honest manufacturing defect, Chryco can NOT void the warranty simply for the make of the oil filter if the filter didn't cause the problem. If they do, they'll find a quick lawsuit against themselves, not the filter maker. As it stands, that guy should and probably will be reimbursed by Fram in short order.

But then again, Chrysler does some stupid things. My brother had tha ball joints on his Dakota replaced under warranty (I think it was a recall actually, but they were very loose), the dealer also replaced the tie rods under warranty...don't know why, they weren't loose, but whatever. Then they had the balls to call him up and tell him it would be $75 for the alignment afterwards...that's right, AFTER THE WORK WAS COMPLETED they told us the alignment wasn't part of the warranty job. After calling the service writer, manager, whoever it was and tearing him up, we found out that it's because the DEALERSHIP doesn't have an alignment rack and they have to outsource all their alignments to a local shop. Go figure.

[BCKNBLK]

Napa Gold, all the way! Its all I use.

[Bub1357]

I am a big fan of the K&N oil filters. They are like 11 bucks but they seem to give me higher oil pressure then when using a purolator, fram or even the mopar filter.

[c130herc]

WIX
O'Reilly Auto Parts carries them also.

[sethfry]

What about Mobil filters?? And what oil are we using??

[andyr354]

Baldwin or the Carquest Blue filters (rebranded Wix)

[anony91xj]

I am a big fan of the K&N oil filters. They are like 11 bucks but they seem to give me higher oil pressure then when using a purolator, fram or even the mopar filter.
$11 for an oil filter is obscene. I use filters from STP, Purolator, Fram, NAPA/Wix, etc...whatever's available. None have ever given me more or less oil pressure than any other on my cars that have had oil pressure guages. On the cars I've had without guages, never has a "bad" or "cheap" filter caused the oil light to turn on. And I've had a couple cars pass the 200k mile mark with zero engine problems.

$11 will get me 3 or 4 Purolator filters. K&N and Mobil 1 are selling a name, that's it.

[WB9YZU]

I've been using Fram for years with no ill effects. I actually happen to like the new Sure Grip top that allows me to install/remove the filter without a wrench :eeks1:

Over the years, the only filter I felt uncomfortable with was a Hastings, and that was not on an XJ. Changing your oil and filter per the schedule in the owners manual will do more for your XJ than not running a particular (name brand) filter.

just my 2c

[jeepsrock]

Purolator, Bosch, STP Period

pete

[Zoro]

So what's so bad about Fram filters? I've used them on every single filter requiring piece of machinery I've ever owned(cars, tractors, generators...) and never have I ever had any ill effects and that's atleast a million miles, litterally.

[XJflexer]

I use the NAPA gold. For oil, I use Mobil 1 10w30. I use the NAPA filters in every car I have except my wife's Kia. That car is new with only 5k on it, and I just go to the dealer and buy a Kia filter over the counter. I don't want to be busted for some kind of engine failure and have them blame the aftermarket filter.

Just having an aftermarket filter on your car will NOT void the warrenty if there is an internal engine failure unless it can be proven that the filter was the cause (i.e. threads on filter tapped incorrectly causing filter to become loose, or filter material coming apart and going into the engine, etc). I work for Lexus, and I've seen both. Both times they were from Jiffy Lube. Kinda sucked for the customer because they had to pay for the engine replacement and then seek reimbursement from Jiffy Lube afterwards. The engine for an RX300 is $15,000 installed for a new one.

[kevin s]

Why doesn't anyone just use MOPAR filters? They're only 6 or 7 bucks.

MOPAR = Low bid + a fresh coat of paint. They'll change suppliers for a penny. Doesn't mean they are bad, but you are just buying a $3 puralator with a fancy paint job.
I have used Mobil 1, Amsoil, Purolator, Bosch, Fram!!, but have settled on NAPA Gold (wix) lately.

[RichP]

I don't "Hate" Frams oil filters I treat them just like pickeled eggs and beer which give me the hershey squirts, I don't like the hershey squirts so I stay away from pickeled eggs and beer.
I use Mobil1, Mopar, K&N and I just tried wix on my jasper motor as thats what they come with..

[KarlVP]

So what is wrong with Fram filters? I have used them for years with no problems.

If your engine blows because your filter gets sucked into it, the filter company should pay for it.

[RichP]

So what is wrong with Fram filters? I have used them for years with no problems.

If your engine blows because your filter gets sucked into it, the filter company should pay for it.

Do a search on mini-mopar study, guy covers them pretty well..

[PW1XJ99]

I always use Napa Gold (AKA WIX) oil filters. :cheers:

The Napa air filters are also made by WIX... http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b194/Tekgino/Jokes/wink.gif

[BAs96XJ]

Purolator is made by ArvinMeritor. Fram is made by Allied-Signal. Purolators are not rebadged Frams. I use Purolator Pure ones exclusively.

BA

[XJ Samo]

Wix and all the names they fall under are good. The best hands down is Baldwin.

[Thayer]

Purolator is made by ArvinMeritor. Fram is made by Allied-Signal. Purolators are not rebadged Frams. I use Purolator Pure ones exclusively.

BA
It's also color-matched to my XJ.

http://www.pureoil.com/documents/products_pure_main_pic2.jpg

[lawsoncl]

So what is wrong with Fram filters? I have used them for years with no problems.

If your engine blows because your filter gets sucked into it, the filter company should pay for it.


I've noticed longer times for the oil pressure to come up on cold starts and lower oil pressure after a few thousand miles. The new Fram filter I cut open had a poor fitting pressed-cardboard bypass valve instead of metal. The filter material was also of a noticeably lower quality than the Napa Silver (Wix) filter I cut open. I generally buy the Napa Silver for a $1 more than the Fram.

A sure sign of cheap quality is when it's the only Brand that Walmart carries.

On the guy that had the filter sucked in the engine, Chrysler was legally correct to void the warranty. The Magnuson-Moss warranty act says they can't void the warranty unless it can be proven that the aftermarket part was responsible - it obviously was in this case.

[George2]

Just how serious are you about longevity?

On a stock 4.0, then Wix is a good choice, as is anything Ford/Motorcraft.

On my brand-new 4.6 stroker, I'm running K&N, because they have a warranty beyond compare- they replace what they screw up.

I also have a "pre-oiler", that pumps out the stored pressure from a resoviour, into the journals before the engine cranks. In most parts of the country, it isn't an issue- but when I'm getting ready to turn over this animal in -20 degrees, I like hearing the gentle "swoosh", and watching the oil pressure gauge jump up to 30+ psi, BEFORE the motor cranks.

I'm almost 2.5K into motor mods, on an already 15 year old Jeep I'm keeping until I die, so it's all in how "in depth" you are. Alright, Wix is a fairly good choice, I used it on my stocker... Motorcraft is #2, if #1 isn't easily accessible.

[dfreeman616]

where did you get your pre-oiler from, george?

[George2]

A blatently-stolen idea from "enginepreoiler.com". I have access to tons of copper tubing and caps, 12V solenoids and teflon/stainelss braided tubing, so the install was really easy- but I could help others, if they're interested.

I purchased the brass "T"'s locally at a plumbing shop, but everything else was "scrap" in the plumbing/piping outfit where I work. Anyone could do the same without my resources, for under $100.

[BskisXJ]

I use Purolator Premiums, they are pretty good as well as priced.
Here, read this, says it all.
http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html

After going through it, it looks like Quaker State, Pennzoil and Mopar filters are Frams.

[DenLip]

I can tell you as a former service advisor for Daimler Chrysler, Fram is the ONLY filter that DC specifically states AUTOMATICALLY voids the engine warranty if installed. How do I know this? We had to tell a guy with less than 2k miles on his '05 diesel that he had to buy his new engine out of pocket after the Fram filter was sucked into the engine causing it to sieze. $12k later, he was driving his truck again and had himself a nice little lawsuit against Fram. IMHO, you can never go wrong with Wix filters.

There was an ACT OF CONGRESS (I forget the name) that made it ILLEGAL for a manuafacturer to void warranties because the customer used aftermarket parts.

Of course, in this case, the filter appears to have actually CAUSED the failure, so it's a valid argument. Fram will probably come back and say that he used the wrong filter for the application... or some such garbage.

Basically, whatever screws the customer best. That's the rule.

Den

[DenLip]

So what is wrong with Fram filters? I have used them for years with no problems.

If your engine blows because your filter gets sucked into it, the filter company should pay for it.


But wouldn't it have been better for it to NOT GET SUCKED IN in the frist place?

My VW taught me the value of my time. Sure, they paid for everything... but it was a PITA to have to go back to the dealer every coupla months for some stupid crap...

Den

[RichP]

I use Purolator Premiums, they are pretty good as well as priced.
Here, read this, says it all.
http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html

After going through it, it looks like Quaker State, Pennzoil and Mopar filters are Frams.

The mopar one can vary, when mopar puts out a request for bids the filter has to meet their specs and their specs don't include cardboard anti-drainback valves, they're not going to put a filter in that they may have to eat the price of a new motor on.
I tend to buy Mobil-1 and K&N now, with 3 jeeps all taking the same filter I buy them by the dozen or more and get a better price.

[c130herc]

I had a Fram explode on me on the start up after an oil change. Split wide open and blew oil everywhere. Never used Fram oil filters since.

[FRAM]

God I never knew I was so hated.

BTW There could never be a clone of me. LOL

[Begster]

I've been running a Fram for 2 years now and haven't had any problem with them. But I did find it kind of weird that when I needed to change my parents oil the other day, and Autozone was closed, I walked down an all orange isle at K-Mart.

Apparently I won't be using Fram anymore.

[bar]

I've been quiet about this Fram thing for a long time, and maybe I'm just lucky, but I've used nothing but Fram filters since Sears stopped selling filters (in the 60's ?).
I drove my 86 Nissan V-6 pickup to 273,000 miles and the engine still went a quiet 4,000 miles between changes. I have 110,000 on my Cherokee up country and plan to get 250,000 on Fram Filters.

[PW1XJ99]

I've been quiet about this Fram thing for a long time, and maybe I'm just lucky, but I've used nothing but Fram filters since Sears stopped selling filters (in the 60's ?).
I drove my 86 Nissan V-6 pickup to 273,000 miles and the engine still went a quiet 4,000 miles between changes. I have 110,000 on my Cherokee up country and plan to get 250,000 on Fram Filters.




I've used Fram filters when I was younger. I started hearing horror stories about engines failing due to the Fram oil filters, plus the internet reviews (I'm sure eveyone has seen) such as http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html made me switch to wix.

I just gotta wonder how Fram got such a bad reputation. There has to be some truth to the stories? :dunno:

I will admit, I've personally never had an engine go bad because of any fliter.. :farmer:

[XJsqared]

This thread has me all worked up, I have 230,000 and most oil changes have been fram, or various oil change places when out of town. Sound like its not a bad idea to just switch and not worry about it.

Hey someone said "with 3 jeeps all taking the same filter I buy them by the dozen or more and get a better price." how do you do that

[87manche]

just go to your local parts store and see if they'll cut you a discount for buying a case. most places will.

[Ridr]

an oil filter that has a cardboard valve = not a good thing. For a buck or maybe two more ya can have a real filter ( I use napa gold) and have no worries and no cardboard.

[97xjstock]

check this out,,,,,,get a cup of coffee though,,,,,,LOTS to read but should settle this issue
http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

do i hear sticky for that link?

[sethfry]

check this out,,,,,,get a cup of coffee though,,,,,,LOTS to read but should settle this issue
http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

do i hear sticky for that link?

Seriously dude, at least 2 people have already mentioned that link, and you started the thread.

[lawsoncl]

check this out,,,,,,get a cup of coffee though,,,,,,LOTS to read but should settle this issue
http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

do i hear sticky for that link?


Just remember that this is only for one particular filter. The other sizes may be different. The off-brands may use different suppliers for different brands and suppliers may change over time. The informal study does highlight show that Fram appears to use lower quality components.

What we need is a study to determine what level of quality is necessary and what is overkill. For example more filter surface area is irrelevant so long as the filter is still flowing adequately when its changed out. Actually too much filter material might be worse as a partially loaded filter filters better, but has a lower flow rate. Quality of the drainback and bypass valves is only an issue if they leak too much.

Personally, I prefer the Napa Silver over Fram. I have noticed that when running a Fram, the oil pressure takes a few seconds longer to come up when I start the vehicle. The Fram filter was usually empty when I changed it, meaning it was leaking back into the engine (although the bonus was a less messy oil change). I also noticed about 5-psi lower oil pressure after running the Fram for a few thousand miles, compared to the Napa meaning the filter is starting to get overloaded.

I'd rather pay the extra $1 per filter and go with something that I trust. Does it truly make a difference in the end? Maybe.

[Pete M]

I just gotta wonder how Fram got such a bad reputation. There has to be some truth to the stories? :dunno:

I used Frams for years and years. That is, until one of them failed on me and caused a 0 psi condition at idle. Dang that pissed me off. :gonnablow
I now gladly spend a couple bucks more on my filters (which is kinda ironic since I buy cheap oil and change everything on a 2k mile cycle). :D
Jeep on!
--Pete

[w_howey]

Mobil filters are Purolator clones.

Just changed one on my GC today, and I was suprised to see
Produced by Arvin Meritor Brentwood,TN

The part number matched the Purolator part number also.