Aliens

[flexjay87]

i get a real kick out of these "scientists" who are just sure that aliens are everywhere, but we just can't find them. what's wrong with these over-educated idiots(i know, oxy moron,mostly moron). these guys think the rest of us normal people will fall for all of their bullshit i swear. one guy figured up some mathematic formula for the chances of other life out there , for sure supposedly, then went on to propose aliens have been here, but couldn't explain why they stopped coming by for a visit. YEAH RIGHT, so we are to believe that "superior " life is out there , but don't come back to the only planet in our "area" or solar system that has just the right amount of, gravity, air, water, plant life, animals, atmosphere, and oh yeah, PEOPLE(small detail) and just the exact right amount of ingredients to support all of these things!! so what about the supposed aliens that have crashed in the desert? can you say area 51. more b.s. i say. listen, are we to believe that some other beings are smart enough to get all the way here from outside our known galactic zip code, and they are obviously superior to us in space travel, navigate through the stars, meteors, asteroids, stars, radiation, etc., etc., and woohoo they can't figure out how to LAND THEIR FRIGGIN SPACECRAFT, they always CRASH!!! and then hide their superiority somewhere in the wilderness! come on professor, where did i go wrong? i think nasa has people with marketing degree's from space out U. if there are aliens, then why get excited about it, heck they don't do anything, i'm more worried about hillary becoming president. of course i could be wrong, what'ya think?

[FarmerMatt]

i get a real kick out of these "scientists" who are just sure that aliens are everywhere, but we just can't find them. what's wrong with these over-educated idiots(i know, oxy moron,mostly moron). these guys think the rest of us normal people will fall for all of their bullshit i swear. one guy figured up some mathematic formula for the chances of other life out there , for sure supposedly, then went on to propose aliens have been here, but couldn't explain why they stopped coming by for a visit. YEAH RIGHT, so we are to believe that "superior " life is out there , but don't come back to the only planet in our "area" or solar system that has just the right amount of, gravity, air, water, plant life, animals, atmosphere, and oh yeah, PEOPLE(small detail) and just the exact right amount of ingredients to support all of these things!! so what about the supposed aliens that have crashed in the desert? can you say area 51. more b.s. i say. listen, are we to believe that some other beings are smart enough to get all the way here from outside our known galactic zip code, and they are obviously superior to us in space travel, navigate through the stars, meteors, asteroids, stars, radiation, etc., etc., and woohoo they can't figure out how to LAND THEIR FRIGGIN SPACECRAFT, they always CRASH!!! and then hide their superiority somewhere in the wilderness! come on professor, where did i go wrong? i think nasa has people with marketing degree's from space out U. if there are aliens, then why get excited about it, heck they don't do anything, i'm more worried about hillary becoming president. of course i could be wrong, what'ya think?

Art Bell is my hero.

[esrasmu2001]

Douglas Adams explained it best in Hitchhikers Guide, that the aliens come by on a joy cruise, wearing silly costumes and going 'beep beep beep'.

I think the ones that "crash" are just drunk drivers or ones that fell asleep at the wheel.

[RichP]

We're watching http://www.abcunderwear.com/contact-yllwcat.html you.....

[bshaw]

i get a real kick out of these "scientists" who are just sure that aliens are everywhere, but we just can't find them. what's wrong with these over-educated idiots(i know, oxy moron,mostly moron).
i just got done watching that stuff on Discovery too. makes ya kind of think outside the box..... just my two pennies :D

[BSD]

What is worse is the Bigfoot freaks. Have a fellow at work who is part of an organization called BFRO: Big Foot Research Organization. To hear him speak of all the "evidence" makes me want to ask him to put the crack pipe down! Now gnomes...that's another thing. Those little shits scare me!
BSD

[ROOK1]

What do you think "God" has to say about this?

[RichP]

What do you think God has to say about this?

What does he have to say ? My guess is "What, you think I created this whole place just for you", 'Hell, you have a hard enough time just getting to the moon, think I'm going to waste the other 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999 just for you.."
But I could be wrong, I lost track of the 9's so I may be off a few trillion...

[goodburbon]

Lemme guess, alien life is too far fetched for you to believe in, but you have no problem going to church every sunday and giving your money to the man that tells you stories of how this "virgin" had a baby and that baby was god, but we killed the baby(only because he decided to die) and we are all somehow forgiven and will go to heaven?

anyone got any chlorine to spare?

[d10shun]

Signals of our existence (radio waves) have only traveled 50 light years or so from earth. There is a bubble of radio waves expanding outwards and is about 300 trillion miles in diameter and growing. We already know there is not much around in our neck of the woods. Let's say there is an "alien" civilization on the other side of the the Milky Way. The Milky Way is about 100,000 light years across (light years measure distance, not time) and that would put them about 3/4 across the galaxy. Our radio waves have to travel 75,000 light years just to reach them. It will reach the aliens in 75,000 years. They have to decide to respond ( they might be smart and decide not to) and then send a signal back to us. That signal has to travel 75,000 light years to reach us. This one communication would take 150,000 years.

But that is just radio communication. A space ship from this alien planet would have to travel for 75,000 years AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT to reach us (that means the aliens would have to travel at 186,000 miles per SECOND. Our fastest rocket (planned for the future) will be able to travel at only 208,000 miles per HOUR.

The universe is big for a reason. Alien contact is not meant to happen, that is not to say alien life does not exist.

[Beej]

i get a real kick out of these "scientists" who are just sure that aliens are everywhere, but we just can't find them. what's wrong with these over-educated idiots(i know, oxy moron,mostly moron). these guys think the rest of us normal people will fall for all of their bullshit i swear. one guy figured up some mathematic formula for the chances of other life out there , for sure supposedly, then went on to propose aliens have been here, but couldn't explain why they stopped coming by for a visit. YEAH RIGHT, so we are to believe that "superior " life is out there , but don't come back to the only planet in our "area" or solar system that has just the right amount of, gravity, air, water, plant life, animals, atmosphere, and oh yeah, PEOPLE(small detail) and just the exact right amount of ingredients to support all of these things!! so what about the supposed aliens that have crashed in the desert? can you say area 51. more b.s. i say. listen, are we to believe that some other beings are smart enough to get all the way here from outside our known galactic zip code, and they are obviously superior to us in space travel, navigate through the stars, meteors, asteroids, stars, radiation, etc., etc., and woohoo they can't figure out how to LAND THEIR FRIGGIN SPACECRAFT, they always CRASH!!! and then hide their superiority somewhere in the wilderness! come on professor, where did i go wrong? i think nasa has people with marketing degree's from space out U. if there are aliens, then why get excited about it, heck they don't do anything, i'm more worried about hillary becoming president. of course i could be wrong, what'ya think? Spoken like someone who has not yet fathomed the infinite vastness of space (no insult intended!).

The reason it intuitively 'feels' to be improbable, is because humans are not naturally inclined or socially conditioned to think in terms of the interminable vastness - both physically and mathematically - that 'space' holds. (We could get into how space shoud really be considered to be spacetime and that there can be no real separation between the two, but that's for another time...). Our tiny minds are constrained when we try to imagine things on the terms of 'infinity'.

Mathematically, we can be almost certain that there is life on other planets; within visible space alone its been calculated that there are probably 10^18 habitable planets actually hosting some form of life, and in our galaxy alone, its probable that there are about 10 million habitable planets hosting life. And this is only on the assumption that life needs the conditions that we have on Earth in order to spark, exist and thrive; it says nothing of the interminable vastness of forms that life may actually take, outside of our current understanding of life.

Do I believe that 'aliens' are currently visiting our planet or are studying us right now? No. Do I believe its possible that they are out there? Absolutely, its almost a mathematical certainty...

Just a couple of cents...

[cherokee89]

Who do you think is spraying all the chemtrails?:passgas:

[bjoehandley]

What is worse is the Bigfoot freaks. Have a fellow at work who is part of an organization called BFRO: Big Foot Research Organization. To hear him speak of all the "evidence" makes me want to ask him to put the crack pipe down! Now gnomes...that's another thing. Those little shits scare me!
BSD


Doesn't Bigfoot roam the nation in the back of an 18 wheeler looking for cars to crush?:confused1 :huh: :search: :jester:

[BSD]

Doesn't Bigfoot roam the nation in the back of an 18 wheeler looking for cars to crush?:confused1 :huh: :search: :jester:

O.K. Grandpa. Weak. Very, very, weak! :nono:
BSD

[Geepfreak]

Would anyone else like to talk about their abduction/encounter with the Greys, as I like to call them. The intention they have is quite noble towards us, other than the ANAL probes..
:D

[ZPD]

When I was 10 my brother and I saw an UFO of some sort. It was freaky; we just stared at eachother and said "did you see that?".

[Root Moose]

Aliens are some of the nicest people you'd ever meet.

Last time me and the missus were off-world we had vehicle problems. It's amazing what people will do to find a hydrosolator and send you on your way.

Mind you, they might have been just trying to get rid of us. We don't get out much and tend to be really chatty when we do.

Yeah, tht's all a joke... maybe...

[casm]

Black helicopters (http://zapatopi.net/blackhelicopters/). They're behind it all in conjunction with the Reverse Vampires.

[lesslimited]

I like the idea from the movie Men In Black, that most celebrities are actually aliens in disguise. Sure are a lot of them that don't act remotely human...

[seanR]

I am an alien.................
So what?

[ZPD]

I am an alien.................
So what?
Knock it off with the probing then! Haven't you had enough?

[lost1]

Well at least you have good taste in alcohol. Warning...nerd-speak is commencing in...5...4...3...2...you get the point.


I find that light speed arguement interesting. Its obvious to anyone looking at these numbers that such travel would be unreasonable. Taking the next logical step however leads you to ask the question, 'is there a way to travel faster than the speed of light?'

Well that's a whole other debate, but they have managed to both completely stop light particles in thier path, and even speed them up beyond light's standard speed. Some brief searching on Google brought this up... http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/generalscience/lightstop_010119.html http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/generalscience/faster_than_c_000719.html

If its possible to move light particles faster than previously recorded, then that has dramatic impacts on our thinking in regards to interstellar travel. Include the possibility of gravity waves as a mathematically predictable and finite (and therefore measurable) and we have the beginnings of a way to shorten our interstellar travels. communications technology will likely be the first field that benefits from our recent discoveries, but with advances like we've seen in the last fifty years we might see some staggering discoveries in another fifty.

You ahve to look at space travel as very long-term, in transit as well, but mostly in development. It would be unreasonable to expect an entirely new form of propulsion to be used even five years after being developed, because you have to examine the cause-and-effects of the object before you can consider its usefulness and its safety.

Wonder what I mean by that? Then you're nto thinking, you're jsut reading. Consider the nuclear bombs dropped on japan in WW2. When we dropped those bombs our scientists had no idea what was going to happen. some thought they would cause minimal damage, be an embarrasment. On the more extreme end of the arguement, it was theorized by others taht they would cause a tear in Space-time itself and destroy everything within a few light years of the bomb. Comforting, huh?

Getting back on track though, its been less than one lifetime since we left our atmosphere and began exploring the stars. I find it pretty funny that we can say its impossible to travel between planets when not too long ago we thought the speed of sound couldn't be broken. We've held to the belief that light speed couldn't be surpassed either; maybe we're wrong on that front as well, the debate is finally getting some serious food for thought instead of endless hypothesese. What's to say we can't travel to other worlds in another century? We may not even have to move faster than light, just different than light. We're raised to think of moving directionally, but in the vastness of space direction takes a twist. We're just beginning to unlock the secrets of space, its way too early to block out any possibilities. Well, except maybe that the earth is round. http://www.naxja.org/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif everyone knows that's bullshit.

[Bent]

What do you think "God" has to say about this?


"I owe you an explanation, Why?"


:roflmao:

[Bent]

Aliens are some of the nicest people you'd ever meet....

In a "Mote in God's Eye" sort of way? Friendly, well meaning, helpful ....


I'm going to stick with "FootFall".

:explosion

[Geepfreak]

I find that light speed arguement interesting. Its obvious to anyone looking at these numbers that such travel would be unreasonable. Taking the next logical step however leads you to ask the question, 'is there a way to travel faster than the speed of light?'



The Movie "Event Horizon" explains it well, you "fold" space and time, making it the same, really no need for travel, cause you are already there. instantanious baby..:D
I am currently working on the process from my house to Moab.

[RichP]

In a "Mote in God's Eye" sort of way? Friendly, well meaning, helpful ....


I'm going to stick with "FootFall".

:explosion

Ahhh, elephant season opens again eh...

[ColoCherokees]

Just "running the numbers" and saying there's "10^8 habitable planets" in the galaxy/universe/whatever doesn't mean anything. Last I heard, there are around 130 factors that must be in place for humans to exist on earth - stuff like the right number of hurricanes of a certain intensity. Lots of things have to be just right here on Earth to allow us "smart" humans to have evolved and survive.

The obvious next question is "why does alien life have to be carbon-based like us?" It doesn't have to be carbon-based, but it sure makes sense, since carbon is so abundant (compared to everything besides H and He). Life forms could be silicon or boron based (according to what we've uncovered so far), but boron is pretty sparse, so makes boron-based life pretty unlikely. IIRC, silicon-based life needs more or less what us carbon-based life forms need, in regards to temperature, liquid water, etc.

And, even if a particular planet/star provides the right conditions, why does life (especially intelligent life) HAVE to form? The odds are against intelligent life resulting on any given "hospitable" planet, from what I've seen, especially, since the universe is not "infinite" in it's size or number of "hospitable" planets.

I find it ironic that many skeptics rant and rave at people who have faith in some deity or "great beyond" and then rant and rave that "there MUST be intelligent life out there, there just MUST be, I don't care what you say." The way things look right now, intelligent aliens probably don't exist, and even if they did, it's more than likely we couldn't have any meaningful contact with them, so who cares? Why do some people seem to have this overwhelming need to believe in intelligent life outside Earth?

There's more than enough to do and learn right here, with the people we've got - and who's to say that aliens would be any nicer/smarter/caring than we are? Basically, I couldn't care less about the idea of little green men running around out "there" it's just not relevant to anyone's day to day life, or even our investigation of how the universe works.

[Root Moose]

In a "Mote in God's Eye" sort of way? Friendly, well meaning, helpful ....

Actually, in more like a "kinda tastes like chicken" kid of way.

[Root Moose]

I find it ironic that many skeptics rant and rave at people who have faith in some deity or "great beyond" and then rant and rave that "there MUST be intelligent life out there, there just MUST be, I don't care what you say." The way things look right now, intelligent aliens probably don't exist, and even if they did, it's more than likely we couldn't have any meaningful contact with them, so who cares? Why do some people seem to have this overwhelming need to believe in intelligent life outside Earth?

More to the point, wake me up when we find some intelligent life ON this planet.

Because, the truth is out there...

dooo,dooo,dooo...dooo,dooo,dooo...dooo,dooo,dooo.. ..

[ROOK1]

Just "running the numbers" and saying there's "10^8 habitable planets" in the galaxy/universe/whatever doesn't mean anything. Last I heard, there are around 130 factors that must be in place for humans to exist on earth - stuff like the right number of hurricanes of a certain intensity. Lots of things have to be just right here on Earth to allow us "smart" humans to have evolved and survive.

The obvious next question is "why does alien life have to be carbon-based like us?" It doesn't have to be carbon-based, but it sure makes sense, since carbon is so abundant (compared to everything besides H and He). Life forms could be silicon or boron based (according to what we've uncovered so far), but boron is pretty sparse, so makes boron-based life pretty unlikely. IIRC, silicon-based life needs more or less what us carbon-based life forms need, in regards to temperature, liquid water, etc.

And, even if a particular planet/star provides the right conditions, why does life (especially intelligent life) HAVE to form? The odds are against intelligent life resulting on any given "hospitable" planet, from what I've seen, especially, since the universe is not "infinite" in it's size or number of "hospitable" planets.

I find it ironic that many skeptics rant and rave at people who have faith in some deity or "great beyond" and then rant and rave that "there MUST be intelligent life out there, there just MUST be, I don't care what you say." The way things look right now, intelligent aliens probably don't exist, and even if they did, it's more than likely we couldn't have any meaningful contact with them, so who cares? Why do some people seem to have this overwhelming need to believe in intelligent life outside Earth?

There's more than enough to do and learn right here, with the people we've got - and who's to say that aliens would be any nicer/smarter/caring than we are? Basically, I couldn't care less about the idea of little green men running around out "there" it's just not relevant to anyone's day to day life, or even our investigation of how the universe works.


Apparently you care enough to write this.

[ColoCherokees]

Apparently you care enough to write this.

Hah, touche'. I think it's a hot button issue for me, since I'm in school and this issue comes up regularly (astro/phyics major). Maybe a better way to put my first post would just be a big "WHO CARES" and leave it at that.

[woody]

You called?

[Bent]

Actually, in more like a "kinda tastes like chicken" kid of way.

:chef:

I've always wanted to go for a swim in BBQ sauce.

[IMORTL]

Spoken like someone who has not yet fathomed the infinite vastness of space (no insult intended!).

The reason it intuitively 'feels' to be improbable, is because humans are not naturally inclined or socially conditioned to think in terms of the interminable vastness - both physically and mathematically - that 'space' holds. (We could get into how space shoud really be considered to be spacetime and that there can be no real separation between the two, but that's for another time...). Our tiny minds are constrained when we try to imagine things on the terms of 'infinity'.

Mathematically, we can be almost certain that there is life on other planets; within visible space alone its been calculated that there are probably 10^18 habitable planets actually hosting some form of life, and in our galaxy alone, its probable that there are about 10 million habitable planets hosting life. And this is only on the assumption that life needs the conditions that we have on Earth in order to spark, exist and thrive; it says nothing of the interminable vastness of forms that life may actually take, outside of our current understanding of life.

Do I believe that 'aliens' are currently visiting our planet or are studying us right now? No. Do I believe its possible that they are out there? Absolutely, its almost a mathematical certainty...

Just a couple of cents...

I believe there is life out there. Mostly because I don’t think we are "special" in the universe... I believe we are smart hairy apes.

I can’t tell if the universe is infinite, but it is HUGE. The light from the farthest (that we can see) is from 15 Billion years ago. That’s a pretty long time… time enough for life to from somewhere else too? Life lives here is some very extreme places from hot to cold. I really hope they find life on one of Saturn’s moons soon.

[blue_flip]

Art Bell is my hero.

x5 kajillion

[Beej]

Just "running the numbers" and saying there's "10^8 habitable planets" in the galaxy/universe/whatever doesn't mean anything. Last I heard, there are around 130 factors that must be in place for humans to exist on earth - stuff like the right number of hurricanes of a certain intensity. Lots of things have to be just right here on Earth to allow us "smart" humans to have evolved and survive.

The obvious next question is "why does alien life have to be carbon-based like us?" It doesn't have to be carbon-based, but it sure makes sense, since carbon is so abundant (compared to everything besides H and He). Life forms could be silicon or boron based (according to what we've uncovered so far), but boron is pretty sparse, so makes boron-based life pretty unlikely. IIRC, silicon-based life needs more or less what us carbon-based life forms need, in regards to temperature, liquid water, etc.

And, even if a particular planet/star provides the right conditions, why does life (especially intelligent life) HAVE to form? The odds are against intelligent life resulting on any given "hospitable" planet, from what I've seen, especially, since the universe is not "infinite" in it's size or number of "hospitable" planets.

I find it ironic that many skeptics rant and rave at people who have faith in some deity or "great beyond" and then rant and rave that "there MUST be intelligent life out there, there just MUST be, I don't care what you say." The way things look right now, intelligent aliens probably don't exist, and even if they did, it's more than likely we couldn't have any meaningful contact with them, so who cares? Why do some people seem to have this overwhelming need to believe in intelligent life outside Earth?

There's more than enough to do and learn right here, with the people we've got - and who's to say that aliens would be any nicer/smarter/caring than we are? Basically, I couldn't care less about the idea of little green men running around out "there" it's just not relevant to anyone's day to day life, or even our investigation of how the universe works. I'm assuming this was partially directed at me. Allow me to point out that in my original post, I mentioned NOTHING about extraterrestrial sentient life. I only refer to life. Last I checked, single-celled organisms qualify as life...

[WVXJ]

What gets me is everyone taking films and photos of flying saucers with bright flashy lights. I figure, if aliens are that advanced, to fly saucers the speed of light using anti-gravity and what not, what the hell would they need with bright flashy lights?
My guess is, if they're here and don't want us to know it, we won't know it. Some say they've already tried to tell us, and to help us, by way of Sidartha, Jesus, Mohammed, etc.,..........

[RichP]

This universe is only going to last till the landlord cleans out the previous tennants mouldy cheese from their refrigerator...then it's all over..

[Beej]

What gets me is everyone taking films and photos of flying saucers with bright flashy lights. I figure, if aliens are that advanced, to fly saucers the speed of light using anti-gravity and what not, what the hell would they need with bright flashy lights?
My guess is, if they're here and don't want us to know it, we won't know it. Some say they've already tried to tell us, and to help us, by way of Sidartha, Jesus, Mohammed, etc.,.......... Who said that? The writers of Stargate SG-1?

[Root Moose]

What gets me is everyone taking films and photos of flying saucers with bright flashy lights. I figure, if aliens are that advanced, to fly saucers the speed of light using anti-gravity and what not, what the hell would they need with bright flashy lights?

Zleep tells me that's how he likes to futz with the slack jaw monkeys.

My guess is, if they're here and don't want us to know it, we won't know it. Some say they've already tried to tell us, and to help us, by way of Sidartha, Jesus, Mohammed, etc.,..........

Putting Sidartha and Jesus together with Mohammed is offensive.

[Root Moose]

Who said that? The writers of Stargate SG-1?

I think "they" means "the Van Patten Family".

[WVXJ]

Sorry to offend, but it's always brought a smile to my face to think of Jesus, Mohammed, and Sidartha all dancing arm in arm doing the rockette leg kick whilst passing the jug o' wine and singing, "fortunate son".

[WVXJ]

Oh, and ufo's are providing the disco lights from up in the background. Almost forgot that small piece of the puzzle................

[Root Moose]

Sorry to offend, but it's always brought a smile to my face to think of Jesus, Mohammed, and Sidartha all dancing arm in arm doing the rockette leg kick whilst passing the jug o' wine and singing, "fortunate son".

See, this is the problem. Mohammed would have none of that. Or at least, wouldn't "allow" his followers.

[radardog]

Spoken like someone who has not yet fathomed the infinite vastness of space (no insult intended!).

The reason it intuitively 'feels' to be improbable, is because humans are not naturally inclined or socially conditioned to think in terms of the interminable vastness - both physically and mathematically - that 'space' holds. (We could get into how space shoud really be considered to be spacetime and that there can be no real separation between the two, but that's for another time...). Our tiny minds are constrained when we try to imagine things on the terms of 'infinity'.

Mathematically, we can be almost certain that there is life on other planets; within visible space alone its been calculated that there are probably 10^18 habitable planets actually hosting some form of life, and in our galaxy alone, its probable that there are about 10 million habitable planets hosting life. And this is only on the assumption that life needs the conditions that we have on Earth in order to spark, exist and thrive; it says nothing of the interminable vastness of forms that life may actually take, outside of our current understanding of life.

Do I believe that 'aliens' are currently visiting our planet or are studying us right now? No. Do I believe its possible that they are out there? Absolutely, its almost a mathematical certainty...

Just a couple of cents...


....Golf clap.....that deservers a golf clap. i am with you 100% on this topic.
is there life? totaly. are they zipping around the universe probing rednecks, and mutilating cows?... not so much

[klonestar]

Does this mean I should remove two of my bumper stickers?

1)- Beam me up Scotty theres no intelligent life forms down here

2)- Beam me up Scotty this planet sux

So why does ET keep getting a busy signal when he phones home?

Is the sky really blue, or is it just that we perceive it to be blue because thats what our teachers told us? Are our perceptions real or imagined? Did I write this or just think it? Are you seeing it because its really here or because I told you it was here? Are you sure?