Has CA gone too far??

[WB9YZU]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060316/us_nm/life_smoking_dc

Now, I don't smoke. Actually I hate second hand smoke... Yuck, phewy!
But I have watched my fellow worker become outcasts in their own place of work, huddling like homeless folks around a fire in the pouring rain. This seems to take that one step further.

[mdl]

Nothing new. Massachusetts had almost the same thing implemented about two years ago. Frankly i'm glad. Now i don't have to take in that stuff whenever i dont need to. For a smoker or resteraunt owner i can see why it would be an issue. Actually many resteraunts spent thousands to install special ventilation systems specifically for ciggarette smoke but since the law passed they weren't needed. Pretty much wasted all the money spent on those systems.

[karstic]

It's funny I didn't hear the Mayor or City Council complaining when the City of Calabasas had between 50-100 CAT diesel motors crawling around the hills spewing out diesel smoke building new houses for their city.

[goodburbon]

they crossed the "too far" line a long time ago.
at this rate pretty soon it will be illegal to fart there.

[Fergie]

Private entities should be able to ban smoking at their places of work for health related costs, but the government has no right nor reason to enforce their own views on subjects such as this.

Fergie

[WB9YZU]

I just thought it was a bad precedent to set. Pretty soon CARB will get involved and outlaw smoking.
Hey Cows and Horses fart in larger volumes than People. Perhaps Cows and Horses should be illegal to smoke outside?

[esrasmu2001]

This is crazy. I understand the peoples right to breath clean air, and there are people just plain bothered by smoke. But banning it in public areas where smokers have the right to be as well? I am a smoker.. (lit a cigarette just now.) Yes, yes, I know my second hand smoke is killing thousands of baby seals in the north. At least I, and quite a few of my friends who smoke, respect others who don't and will step away from the group while smoking.

It is my understanding that private clubs where memberships are used and the general public cannot easily enter do not fall under the same rules as public restaurants and pubs. And if I wanted to open a private restaurant where smoking is allowed than I can do so under that pretense.

Please correct me if I am wrong.


Rass

[Rev Den]

Depends...but in most areas where these laws have been passed, you are wrong. The law is intended to protect not only the public, but the workers from second hand smoke.

Of course....there is no proof that second hand smoke is a health hazard. All this is in Radon all over again.

Rev

[esrasmu2001]

Then I guess a restaurant called the Smoke House with a large grill as the center piece would be out of line? Not to mention the three sections.. Smoking, Chain Smoking, and Non-smoking which would consist of a few tables by the bathrooms.

Rass

[Weasel]

Second hand smoke effects me...if your doing something that effects my health that I don't have a choice in then I don't want it around me. Heard a radio commerical today that said second hand smoke is more harmfull then a busy highway.

[Cox89XJ]

A long, long time ago some people got off the Mayflower. They went from one end of this country to the other and couldn’t find a place they were satisfied. They ended up in California and they are still not satisfied, but I do hope they have thick skin. LOL

[kubtastic]

I could see this law spreading across suburban Los Angeles pretty quickly. It satisfies everyone who has ever sat inside a non-smoking area and could smell smoke from people who were smoking just outside. I can tolerate the smell, but I bet most people on that city council couldn't so they all agreed that the best distance away from smoking would be the city limits. I don't know if 'affluent' fits Calabasas. I'm looking for something more obscene.

"Having a smoking area in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a swimming pool," said Dr. Thomas Pfeffer of the American Heart Association in Los Angeles.

but I like this argument anyway.

[casm]

I could see this law spreading across suburban Los Angeles pretty quickly.

I really hope it doesn't - not so much because I'm an LA native, but more because I hope we have more sense than that. Unfortunately, history tends towards my point of view being shot to hell and in no short order.

It satisfies everyone who has ever sat inside a non-smoking area and could smell smoke from people who were smoking just outside.

People have bitched at me before for smoking outside. My usual response: "welcome to the Great Outdoors, the non-smoking area is inside."

I can tolerate the smell, but I bet most people on that city council couldn't so they all agreed that the best distance away from smoking would be the city limits. I don't know if 'affluent' fits Calabasas. I'm looking for something more obscene.

Calabasas + 'affluent' = more or less on the money. Not exactly the wealthiest part of LA, but well off enough that it's doing OK by itself. Horse Country.

I'm just sick of the attitude that the government has to protect us from every little injustice in life. Banned smokers in this state from inside of pretty much everywhere? Gee, let's make sure that we ban them from the rest of the world as well.

I remember being up north in Davis, CA somewhere around 2001 and being yelled at by a cop for smoking in my own car. This isn't new, but it is typical of the left-wing bullshit that I like to call the California Residency Tax.

Funny how the 'liberal' states are usually the least tolerant of people who don't fit their definition of what's acceptable, despite the veneer of freedom they like to display.

[Bent]

Heard a radio commerical today that said second hand smoke is more harmfull then a busy highway.
:bs:

It's good to see that you are getting your information from a reliable source, straight from the horse's ass. Did you hear the latest? The sky is falling.

I've learned to breath through my ears, I can't smell the smoke and for some reason women seem happier too. Go figure.

[jeepinandy]

I can see banning smoking inside a business, but outside? I wonder how much toxins they breathe in inside a parking garage?

I think someone is blowing to much smoke up someone elses arse out there...

[casm]

I can see banning smoking inside a business, but outside? I wonder how much toxins they breathe in inside a parking garage?

The irony is that we live in Los Angeles, a city renowned for its less-than-stellar air quality. At least those of us here who smoke know some of what's going into our lungs; everyone else is taking pot luck.

[5-90]

I thought the LA motto was something along the lines of, "I don't trust air I can't see..."

California went entirely too far a long time ago - now, it's largely sinking to new lows. I can't wait to get out of here...

Once I'm gone, allow the state of California to secede from the United States, and divide it into four separate states/districts - North California, South California, San Francisco, and Los Angeles. Vegas can take a pool on which area will go to Hell first - I'm split between Los Angeles and San Francisco, myself...

Yet, we still have livestock farms out here - and, aren't livestock the largest source of "greenhouse gasses" in the nation? Not that I want meat outlawed (I'm carnivorous, meself...) but let's try to maintain some sense of perspective...

5-90

[Dvipercop]

I personally wish they would pass that law up here in Portland. Granted, everyone has a right to smoke if they wish, but if they want to kill themselves slowly, do it downwind from me. I don't want that crap in my lungs.

[klonestar]

>"People have a right to breathe clean air. It is time to stand up to the challenges, the critics and to tobacco interests," Calabasas Mayor Barry Groveman told a news conference on Wednesday."<

Since when is it clean air? I left there for many reasons and one of them was I got really tired of seeing what I breathe in!

But still its ok for the big factories to buy and trade "pollution wavers"!!!! BAH!

What are they gonna say when the beaches are corral reefs and Big Bear City is ocean front property?

It always cracked me up when it comes to smog inspection on all newer vehicles but the old beaters are pouring oily smoke out so bad you cant see the curb and they are exempt.(Please disregard this statement! That old beater was me!) :shocked: Its ok though I owned stock in the big dirty oil refinery that was buying the pollution wavers from the windmill companies that are responsible for cutting the amount of bird doo doo in about half.

People up here in the land of oz dont believe me when I tell them about the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd stage smog alerts! I love it here in NH where you actually can "SEE" the bottom of the two inch deep stream! We get a little smog blown over from the west about 3 days a year! :) And so far we can still smoke in the pubs! Some are smoking and some are non smoking so you can take your pick! :us:

[XJ Dreamin']

If you are going to smoke in the privacy of your own home you will need to install a $600,000 air exchange/scrubber so that your second hand smoke does not get out into public spaces.





That's the next law coming on this subject :laugh3:








Non-smoker 6 years now. Smoking is dumb. Do it to your own lungs, not to mine - I ain't got that much lung left. Any legislation that eliminates smoking and the tobacco industry is fine with me. But then, reformed addicts are always the worst pain-in-ass advocates for prohibition - whether or not prohibition actually works.

[8Mud]

All the smokers will be marked with a red "S" on there forehead, locked in the stocks, generally stressed to the max and when they die young from stress induced heart attacks. People will say, see I told you, "smoking is hazardous to your health".
I always have to ask mayself, if people in general, can stand the same rectal exam, they give others.

[XJ Dreamin']

All the smokers will be marked with a red "S" on there forehead, locked in the stocks, generally stressed to the max and when they die young from stress induced heart attacks. People will say, see I told you, "smoking is hazardous to your health".
I always have to ask mayself, if people in general, can stand the same rectal exam, they give others.

That sounds like a plea for sympathy or fairness or something. I don't see that any of that applies. I gave up smoking so you will too and here's the law to prove it. http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/teufel/devil-smiley-019.gif

[goodburbon]

But then, reformed addicts are always the worst pain-in-ass advocates for prohibition

not necessarily, I quit a few years back and I think it is total BS to ban smoking outside.

If you continue to ban actions that could possibly be harmful or offensive to anyone, and given that abortion ( in the eyes of liberals) is not harming anyone, eventually abortions will be mandatory because childbearing can be deadly.

the californians will eventually legislate themselves out of existience, I'm not too worried.

[esrasmu2001]

But then, reformed addicts are always the worst pain-in-ass advocates for prohibition - whether or not prohibition actually works.

That's just because the "reformed addicts" don't want to start smoking again and it pains them to see others doing it.

Join me... join the dark side!..

[XJ Dreamin']

the californians will eventually legislate themselves out of existience

Not if people keep complaining about it. If you want CA to legislate themselves out of existence sooner rather than later you need to embrace the legislation, pat your legislator on the head, tell him he's doing a good job. Hell, tell him he is the salvation of all humanity. Encourage more legislation - more and more and more! bwahahahahaha!!!

Nothing is beyond the legislator! All must bow before the legislator! Bring me your women and I will legislate them...buwahaha..oh, my head....where am I? What were we talking about?

[XJ Dreamin']

That's just because the "reformed addicts" don't want to start smoking again and it pains them to see others doing it.

Join me... join the dark side!..

Great danger, in the dark side, there is.

[dyna]

How many people have died from 2nd hand smoke? lets hear some real numbers not speculation.
How many people have died from the result of 2nd hand drinking we`ll say? Like some drunk fawk running down innocent folks? so why dont they ban booze?
How bout all the nice pubs in Calabasas. BOO HOOO? guess thats alright eh?

No Im not a reformed drinker either, I like booze.

[8Mud]

How many people have died from 2nd hand smoke? lets hear some real numbers, not speculation. OK raise your hands.
Now how many people have died from the result of 2nd hand drinking ( urine?) we`ll say? Raise your hands.
:yelclap:

[FarmerMatt]

I thought the LA motto was something along the lines of, "I don't trust air I can't see..."

California went entirely too far a long time ago - now, it's largely sinking to new lows. I can't wait to get out of here...

Once I'm gone, allow the state of California to secede from the United States, and divide it into four separate states/districts - North California, South California, San Francisco, and Los Angeles. Vegas can take a pool on which area will go to Hell first - I'm split between Los Angeles and San Francisco, myself...

Yet, we still have livestock farms out here - and, aren't livestock the largest source of "greenhouse gasses" in the nation? Not that I want meat outlawed (I'm carnivorous, meself...) but let's try to maintain some sense of perspective...

5-90

It's too late for "perspective". War has been waged, but they don't realize what the outcome will be if they actually win. This state will eventually self implode if they get there way.

CowPollution (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/08/0816_050816_cowpollution.html)

FarmPollution (http://westernfarmpress.com/mag/farming_valley_ag_air/index.html)

OH THE IRONY...
At this point we are also under the thumb of the local government regarding chemical spraying (what, when, & how). I mention this because as of the beginning of the year we are required to actually burn a tire at the site of the field where we are spraying. If we don't than we are subject to a fine, but if we do than CARB fines us. Clowns to the left of me & jokers to the right. I honestly don't seen an end to this either... :confused1

Matt

[RichP]

Lets see, security theater at the airports and an additional hour of MY time waiting in line, so I stopped flying. Drive and use trains now, trains are much more civilized BTW...
No smoking in bars and restrauants, so I stopped eating out as often by myself where I might dawdle at and have an extra coffee or two while I read.
I now buy more beer at the PX for home consumption, Pa is a PIA for buying beer.
Gas prices go up I find ways to futher reduce my driving and do alot of multipurpose trips.
End result, I save a bunch of money..

[goodburbon]

End result, I save a bunch of money

which is then spent on the new "sin" taxes the government comes up with.

[djblade311]

yes its complete horsesh*t. who wants to start a smoker's rights campaign. hehe. I step away from groups when I smoke. Most (not all) non-smokers are too dramatic when they smell smoke and give smokers a bunch of crap. "You need to stop that nasty habit" ...yes and you need to stop eating all of the bearClaws at Starbucks. There are more important things to enforce and legislate than smoking. I admit, its nice to go to a bar thats not filled with smoke...but the outdoors? cmon.

[5-90]

OH THE IRONY...
At this point we are also under the thumb of the local government regarding chemical spraying (what, when, & how). I mention this because as of the beginning of the year we are required to actually burn a tire at the site of the field where we are spraying. If we don't than we are subject to a fine, but if we do than CARB fines us. Clowns to the left of me & jokers to the right. I honestly don't seen an end to this either... :confused1

Matt

"Burn a tyre?" What in the Hell are these people thinking? I don't understand how creating air pollution is supposed to help with air pollution - perhaps you might have some insight? If the idea is just to signal that you're spraying, I'd think a "green" fire would be better, wouldn't you?

Just wondering...

5-90

[8Mud]

There is a whole world of cronic complainers out there, some for the adrenilin rush of starting some chit, some for the attention, some out of boredom, some as a control mechanism and possibly a few with the best intentions in the world. When they get together and actually agree on something, it turns into a movement.
I bellieve much of what they create is just stress. They get pushy and I get belligerant.
And seriously, bowing to there wishes, doesn't buy you any piece. They just come up with a whole new list of complaints.
Is smoking bad, you bet it is. Are there dangers and problems that need to be addressed, you bet.
Why don't the complainers tackle some of the real problems. If you own a house and make a little over the poverty line and can't really pay for the health insurance your boss doesn't offer, your screwed. Even a moderate illness can add up to a quarter of a million dollars, real quick. Heaven help you if you get sick twice. Health insurance can easily run more than the house payment and utilities, for a family. I really think there efforts could be put to better uses.
Next question, were did all the money go from the fines and cigarette settlements. I haven't noticed any rehab centers, dedicated to cigarette smokers lately.
They remind me of an ankle biter dog, that grabs a toe and refuses to let loose, until the toe comes off. I got that toe, now for the next one.
The other day, somebody mentioned that they have reduced smoking by thirty percent. My first thought was and what about the 70% they managed to make miserable, to go along with there habit.

[8Mud]

"Burn a tyre?" What in the Hell are these people thinking? I don't understand how creating air pollution is supposed to help with air pollution - perhaps you might have some insight? If the idea is just to signal that you're spraying, I'd think a "green" fire would be better, wouldn't you?

Just wondering...

5-90
AAAAHH! The smell of spring is in the air, the Cherry trees are blooming and the scent of Malathyon and burning rubber is in the breeze.

[5-90]

Wanna see what can happen if this whole "stop smoking" thing goes to far? Try reading [U]Smoke Jumpers[/I] by Paul Freeman. A farcical look at what happens when the Liberals finally do get their wish...

I'm not sure on the first name, but the "Freeman" is definitely correct.

5-90

There is a whole world of cronic complainers out there, some for the adrenilin rush of starting some chit, some for the attention, some out of boredom, some as a control mechanism and possibly a few with the best intentions in the world. When they get together and actually agree on something, it turns into a movement.
I bellieve much of what they create is just stress. They get pushy and I get belligerant.
And seriously, bowing to there wishes, doesn't buy you any piece. They just come up with a whole new list of complaints.
Is smoking bad, you bet it is. Are there dangers and problems that need to be addressed, you bet.
Why don't the complainers tackle some of the real problems. If you own a house and make a little over the poverty line and can't really pay for the health insurance your boss doesn't offer, your screwed. Even a moderate illness can add up to a quarter of a million dollars, real quick. Heaven help you if you get sick twice. Health insurance can easily run more than the house payment and utilities, for a family. I really think there efforts could be put to better uses.
Next question, were did all the money go from the fines and cigarette settlements. I haven't noticed any rehab centers, dedicated to cigarette smokers lately.
They remind me of an ankle biter dog, that grabs a toe and refuses to let loose, until the toe comes off. I got that toe, now for the next one.
The other day, somebody mentioned that they have reduced smoking by thirty percent. My first thought was and what about the 70% they managed to make miserable, to go along with there habit.

[FarmerMatt]

"Burn a tyre?" What in the Hell are these people thinking? I don't understand how creating air pollution is supposed to help with air pollution - perhaps you might have some insight? If the idea is just to signal that you're spraying, I'd think a "green" fire would be better, wouldn't you?

Just wondering...

5-90

Sorry, I didn't elaborate. The burning tire is so that we can see wind currants to control chemical drift while spraying. I guess they think we're too stupid to actually put our finger in the air & judge whether it's too windy or not. Until such time that sanity is returned, all fines from the local Air board will be forwarded to the County & the County's fines will be forwarded to the Air board, but in the end I'll still be stuck with the bill. Maybe if we light up only half a tire?...

[CanMan]

"People have a right to breathe clean air."

Haha, it CA for heavens sake!

When, which is very rarely, I smoke my cigars, I do it away from other people, as not to offend them. Glad they passed the 'No smoking in public facilities' law here in WA.

[5-90]

Gawd.

Just for the record, my garage is (and shall remain!) a smoking area except for those times when I'm working with flammable solvents.

Can't smoke in the house - my M-I-L is on oxygen, and my wife is mildly allergic. It's not a problem if I'm smelling of smoke, but if there isn't good ventilation, she has fits.

A man's got to have some place he can smoke, tho - and isn't the garage where one usually goes to "scratch and belch" anyhow?

So, why can't you just use some other smoky fire, or spray a water mist into the air, and judge air currents that way? Sounds pretty asinine to me...

5-90

[FarmerMatt]

or spray a water mist into the air, and judge air currents that way? Sounds pretty asinine to me...

5-90

That's the point! These are large foliar sprayers. 500gal water tanks with the fertilizer / fungicide mixed in. Basically, huge amounts of water sprayed into the air. If it's going someplace we don't want it to than we'll know real quick. Sorry to take this off in a tangent. This has been bugging me & the air pollution side of this thread set me off. Back to the subject & smokem if ya gotum...

Matt

[5-90]

Then, wouldn't a mist of plain water give more information than burning tyre smoke?

Sorry - but it just seems "out to lunch" if y'ask me...

5-90

[Jeepdogrob]

Everyone has the right to smoke if they want but they shouldnt at the expense of My health and the health of my children. My son has some pretty sever heart problems and should at no time be exposed to smoke. It pisses me off when I have to ask some A-hole to stop blowing his/her toxins in the direction of my 5 year old.

[Fergie]

Everyone has the right to smoke if they want but they shouldnt at the expense of My health and the health of my children. My son has some pretty sever heart problems and should at no time be exposed to smoke. It pisses me off when I have to ask some A-hole to stop blowing his/her toxins in the direction of my 5 year old.
Then move away from that someone!

Why the hell are your wishes and concerns more important than those of someone else?

You're the type of person that is the problem.

Plain and simple: The goverment, be it state or local, should not be passing any type of law that "protects" people from themselves.

Have the balls to ask someone to move aside, or move aside yourself.

[XJ Dreamin']

Then move away from that someone!

Why the hell are your wishes and concerns more important than those of someone else?

You're the type of person that is the problem.

Plain and simple: The goverment, be it state or local, should not be passing any type of law that "protects" people from themselves.

Have the balls to ask someone to move aside, or move aside yourself.

Hmmm. In Texas a perceived threat to self or family justifies deadly force. Next time I feel threatened by somebody's smoke I guess I'll just cap him. Screw that "move away from him." Around here you don't have to prove a threat, you only have to think there is a threat. It don't matter if you think you're not a threat if I think you are. Go ahead - light up.

[8Mud]

Everyone has the right to smoke if they want but they shouldnt at the expense of My health and the health of my children. My son has some pretty sever heart problems and should at no time be exposed to smoke. It pisses me off when I have to ask some A-hole to stop blowing his/her toxins in the direction of my 5 year old.

If someone tells me the smoke is bothering the kid, I'd leave and so will most others.
On the flip side of that, I'm allergic to all sorts of artificial esters. Round one to modern chemistry. Sometimes it's just shortness of breath, sometimes serious itching and scratching on exposed areas of the skin. Sometimes it hits me just like a fist up side the head. Blood pressure spikes, sinuses shut down, drunken feeling. Often followed by a migrane.
I wonder what the results would be, if I asked every woman or girl that was wearing cheap perfume, to move out of my space. I wonder what the results would be if I said, the perfume is bothering my child.
If somebody started up a perfume nazi movement, I'd probably join just to get even. People get there teeth into a specific thing and worry it to death.
I work construction, I've crawled through the ceilings and cellars of your living area (I'd rather be there than an elevator full of women wearing perfume, I can only hold my breath so long). I've read the labels on many of the paints, materials and what not, that comprise your work area and living quarters. On my fear scale of say one to ten, second hand cigarette smoke rates about a three (maybe lower). Well below the latex in many paints and the solvents used to make them liquid. The driers and immulsifiers in plaster, cement and other wall coverings. The glass fibers in insulation, the materials used to make plastics, the exhaust fumes form most anything the has an exhaust. Take a filter out of most any air mover, take a pinch of dust between your fingers. Personally, I'd rather eat a used cigarette butt, than sniff that dust.
If people are busy,waging war on second hand cigarette smoke, they are likely overlooking something else, which may be a whole lot more toxic.
I'm not saying second hand cigarette smoke isn't bad and shouldn't be controlled to a degree, I'm just asking about the last time you thought about the additive they are using to make the glasses shine, at the resturant where the second hand smoke is bothering your child. Try to avoid getting tunnel vision.

[CartsXJ]

Its nothing new, NY has had this law for a while, no smoking in public places. I personally like it, but I always find it funny to watch my co-workers out there freezing thier a$$es off in the winter just to smoke up.

[Fergie]

Hmmm. In Texas a perceived threat to self or family justifies deadly force. Next time I feel threatened by somebody's smoke I guess I'll just cap him. Screw that "move away from him." Around here you don't have to prove a threat, you only have to think there is a threat. It don't matter if you think you're not a threat if I think you are. Go ahead - light up.
By that train of thought, I should be able to cap every sissy or homo that gives mee a weird look.

Or you for trying to threaten my freedom to smoke.

Talk about some gold medal worthy mental gymnastics!

[XJ Dreamin']

By that train of thought, I should be able to cap every sissy or homo that gives mee a weird look.

Or you for trying to threaten my freedom to smoke.

Talk about some gold medal worthy mental gymnastics!

Sorry I'm late in replying.

No, no. You can't justify capping me for threatening your smoking privlages, only for threatening your body, life, or property. Of course, if I took your smokes away that would be theft. Then you could cap me.

[jonboy]

Sorry I'm late in replying.

No, no. You can't justify capping me for threatening your smoking privlages, only for threatening your body, life, or property. Of course, if I took your smokes away that would be theft. Then you could cap me.cool, I'm movin back to Texas then!
BTW - congrats on the new seatsparty1:

[8Mud]

Its nothing new, NY has had this law for a while, no smoking in public places. I personally like it, but I always find it funny to watch my co-workers out there freezing thier a$$es off in the winter just to smoke up.
FuNNNy, I'd really like to pee in your waste paper basket or put some super glue on your computer keys.
Some chick in the elevator the other day said, I smelled bad, I said my smell washes of, you'll likely always be annoying.

[kubtastic]

Implementation of the new law was something of a fluke, one of those involved in proposing it said Friday.

Nineteen-year-old Calabasas High School graduate Margo Arnold said she was only asking for some sort of outdoor smoking controls for the Calabasas Commons mall when she stood up during the public comments portion of a city council meeting last June.

She and boyfriend Matt Segal, also 19, were forced to change tables when they dined outside the Mi Piace restaurant because of chain-smokers. Later, Groveman told her that her suggestion was something that might be applied to the whole city, Arnold said.
now we have some names...

[8Mud]

now we have some names...

Funny Calabasas used to be someplace the Marlboro man would feel right at home. You could find horses tied up in the parking lot at the Sundance Saloon or in front of the Mine Shaft Bar. If you told someone his cigarette was bothering you, you'd likely get a Beer bath.
I liked the old days better. A cigarette in your mouth and manure on your boots.
I doubt the locals have changed that much in a generation. Must be the immigrants from the east. People wonder why I prefer immigrants from the south.

[karstic]

Funny Calabasas used to be someplace the Marlboro man would feel right at home. You could find horses tied up in the parking lot at the Sundance Saloon or in front of the Mine Shaft Bar. If you told someone his cigarette was bothering you, you'd likely get a Beer bath.
I liked the old days better. A cigarette in your mouth and manure on your boots.
I doubt the locals have changed that much in a generation. Must be the immigrants from the east. People wonder why I prefer immigrants from the south.

I guess you haven't been to Calabasas in awhile. Only things being ridden are BMWs and Mercedes'.

[casm]

Some chick in the elevator the other day said, I smelled bad, I said my smell washes of, you'll likely always be annoying.

I love it when someone goes out of their way to walk over and spout the 'Don't you know that's bad for you?' line. The usual reply: 'not as bad as telling people that.' At that point they tend to go away.

Once had a woman with her kids in tow go out of her way (like, a good 20 yards out of her way) to walk over to me just to tell me that my smoke was harming her children and I should stop it right now. From the look on her face, "I don't give a s*** about your damn kids" wasn't the reply she was expecting.

Let's ban smoking everywhere except on Indian reservations; that way we can create an underground economy in smuggled cigarettes and Ozium.

[anony91xj]

Private entities should be able to ban smoking at their places of work for health related costs, but the government has no right nor reason to enforce their own views on subjects such as this.

Fergie

That's what I've been saying for a long time now. Smoking has been banned in restaraunts and bars in NY for some time now, and the NJ ban goes into effect April 1. It's bullshit, it's a direct kick in the nuts to free enterprise.

The term "Laissez-Faire" mean anything to anyone anymore?

[Fergie]

That's what I've been saying for a long time now. Smoking has been banned in restaraunts and bars in NY for some time now, and the NJ ban goes into effect April 1. It's bullshit, it's a direct kick in the nuts to free enterprise.

The term "Laissez-Faire" mean anything to anyone anymore?
Yeah, it means stay the f**k out of my business as long as I am not harming someone, or infringing on their basic human rights!

[XJ Dreamin']

BTW - congrats on the new seatsparty1:

Thanks. I'm lovin' 'em. It's so weird to sit up straight. I've actually got my sholders over my CG now. No more hanging on to the steering wheel around corners :thumbup:

[xjfan1974]

Sometimes I wonder what would happen if all the smoker in the world quit which cause the ciger. industry to go belly up. How many jobs will be lost because of others crying about smokers causing second hand smoke? how would that effect are economy? Do people actually believe that if they stop smoking in public place that lung cancer will simple go away?