choosing a shotgun

[cassio]

hey guys im planing on buying a shotgun
so i can stop borowing a gun when shoting skeet with my friends or when i plan on going hunting this fall

does anyone have any sugestions
i need something cheap (less than $300 maybe $400)
i was kinda leaning towards a semi unless told other wise

alright guys
fire away....lol

cas

[ECKSJAY]

You can NEVER go wrong with a Remington 870. Get yourself an Express Magnum and you'll be set for anything else you want to do to/with it.

A good quality over/under is a Baikal. I'm super impressed with the quality and I liken it to a Ruger...but at 1/3 the cost.

[Matt S.]

Remington 870 all the way. Do yourself a favor, and buy a pump. You will become a MUCH more thoughtful shooter, since you cant fire as fast. I just last year upgraded to a Benelli Super Black Hawk 2 M4 semi auto. I love it now! But its a pretty penny.

[CanMan]

Buy a Mossburg. Friend has one, don't know what model, but it holds 9 shots with one in the chamber. Ever try shooting 3" Double OT Buckshot 9 times in a row? Fawkin kills your shoulder. Kicks way harder than 3" slugs.

I got myself a cheapie wally world 12 Gauge for just over $100. Works great and is a fun weekend toy.

My Cheapie 12 Gauge (http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=73606)

[ECKSJAY]

Ever try shooting 3" Double OT Buckshot 9 times in a row? Fawkin kills your shoulder. Kicks way harder than 3" slugs.

You gotta learn the painless 12ga technique. ;)

[Ben H]

I have a 28, 20, and12, 870. best all around shot gun. I prefer hunting with my remingtons over my brownings. Mainly for functionabilty, weight, and it is what my dad taught me on. I have never grown out of them. Just a good gun at a good price, but get the 12 ga, and don't let anyone talk you out of it. literally more bang for your buck. ha

[CanMan]

You gotta learn the painless 12ga technique. ;)

Thats was before he bought a pad, and we learned to rest the stock more on our pectorial region rather that in the shoulder area. It kicks, but the bruising is kept to a minimum.

If thats wrong, maybe I'll have to have you show me sometime, or just explain it, that would work too.

[Ben H]

Buy a Mossburg. Friend has one, don't know what model, but it holds 9 shots with one in the chamer.

My Cheapie 12 Gauge (http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=73606)

If you need nine shots your doing something wrong. But if you need the extra rounds, pull the plug in your new 870 and you can fit 5 in the tube.

[Grifter144]

mossberg 590 (50668) 12 gauge...is my latest choice...but i am using it for my aggressive home defense style, shooting clays: not so much..

Kill everything..

Grifter

[ECKSJAY]

Thats was before he bought a pad, and we learned to rest the stock more on our pectorial region rather that in the shoulder area. It kicks, but the bruising is kept to a minimum.

If thats wrong, maybe I'll have to have you show me sometime, or just explain it, that would work too.

I paid good money for that lesson. ;) I can direct you to the proper school though. :D There's also a reason for not using magnum shells. ;) Low recoil tactical buckshot makes me salivate. :D

[Grifter144]

Low recoil tactical buckshot makes me salivate. :D

i like the way you think....

Grifter

[Ben H]

all this talk has gotten me hungry for some quail with butter sauce. You know when you get 3 hunts all filleted up and fry it on up in some butter and garlic. Beats the hell out of the stuff I just got fed, fish and brocolli...yukk!

[CanMan]

If you need nine shots your doing something wrong. But if you need the extra rounds, pull the plug in your new 870 and you can fit 5 in the tube.

He said something like it was a police issue one or something, thats why it holds more? I don't think it is though. Its just fun to blast off 9 rounds at some stumps.

[Ben H]

Why are you looking to kill people? J/k

[chubbyhick]

870, end of story

[5-90]

Low recoil tactical buckshot makes me salivate. :D

You should try the Aguila "shorty slugs" - you should still be able to get them from Dillon.

My Winchester 1200, full-length mag tube, holds about fourteen of them. Full ballistics (they just deleted the overpowder wad, and made it a card only) and surprisingly little recoil.

5-90

[Jeffro600]

870 Express....proven, tough, inexpensive.

[karstic]

What type of hunting are you planning on, upland or waterfowl. If waterfowl go for the synthetic stock. For that price range your looking at a Remington 870 or Winchester 1300, both pumps. If you can afford $600-$700 you should be able to get a Remington 11-87 Sportsmen.

[RichP]

Look at Remington 870, winchester 1300 and Mossburg pumps, etc for prices and function but much more important than make/model is find one that 'fits' . Go to a good gun shop and see if they can guide you towards one that 'fits', once you find one then shop for price. A $300 shotgun that fits beats a $3,000 one that doesn't every time...

[Wayne Sihler]

hey guys im planing on buying a shotgun
so i can stop borowing a gun when shoting skeet with my friends or when i plan on going hunting this fall

does anyone have any sugestions
i need something cheap (less than $300 maybe $400)
i was kinda leaning towards a semi unless told other wise

alright guys
fire away....lol

cas

For skeet a Rem 1100 or the 11-87,your shoulder will thank you.
There are some cheaper O/U doubles out there but have no experince with them .
Wayne

[brokexj]

I have a Mossberg 590, hard to go wrong with that. I also have a Benelli M1 S90 that's just way to good for me.

[ILLXJ]

I own a Mossberg 500, Winchester 1300 & a Remington 870. If you are going to be hunting small game & lugging the gun around alot, I vote for the Mossberg. The Winchester is alot heavier. The Remington 870 is in between the two. JIM.

[Grifter144]

You should try the Aguila "shorty slugs" - you should still be able to get them from Dillon.

My Winchester 1200, full-length mag tube, holds about fourteen of them. Full ballistics (they just deleted the overpowder wad, and made it a card only) and surprisingly little recoil.

5-90

hmmm i will have to look into them, thanks for the heads up...

Grifter..

[ECKSJAY]

hmmm i will have to look into them, thanks for the heads up...

Grifter..

I like the idea of some shorties, but I couldn't quite get comfortable with the handling of smaller shells. They're not bad for what they do, just not my cup of tea. :)

[DrMoab]

Browning Auto5. Too bad you can't buy them any more.

My brother bought a End run edition. its numbered like 575 out of 1000. He paid under a grand for it and it has never been fired. Last time he checked the value it was up around 4K.

Nice investment.

[Grifter144]

I like the idea of some shorties, but I couldn't quite get comfortable with the handling of smaller shells. They're not bad for what they do, just not my cup of tea. :)

practice makes perfect right? crawl, walk, run or something like that...

we'll see, next time i go up north i will pick some up and go blow holes in some maniquins...yee aww

edit. what kinda range you getting w/ those things 5-90?

[Gil BullyKatz]

You should try the Aguila "shorty slugs" - you should still be able to get them from Dillon.

My Winchester 1200, full-length mag tube, holds about fourteen of them. Full ballistics (they just deleted the overpowder wad, and made it a card only) and surprisingly little recoil.

5-90

got linky?

Sounds perfect for the M3 Super90

:D

[0313]

What about some flechette shells? Or maybe some Bolo shells? Perhaps some dragons breath or bird bombs?

[seymouj]

I'm in the same market and have been doing some research on the three pump action guns mentioned.

Mossberg : the plastic safety can break easily
Remington: I personally am not crazy about the location of the safety
Winchester: no real complaints but liked the feel of the 870 better

I'm going with the Remington 870.

[Fergie]

I bought a Mossberg 500 for the reliability, price, and the tang mounted safety.

I'm left eye dominant(right-handed), so the safety is never where I would like it to be, and that influenced my decision a bit.

Have any of you ever seen, or used the mag conversions they make for pumps?

Fergie

[RichP]

I'm in the same market and have been doing some research on the three pump action guns mentioned.

Mossberg : the plastic safety can break easily
Remington: I personally am not crazy about the location of the safety
Winchester: no real complaints but liked the feel of the 870 better

I'm going with the Remington 870.

Said it before and I'll say it again, action does not matter, fit does [well, mostly action does not matter, some states don't allow semi auto shotguns for hunting]

[97XJ_Sport]

Benelli Nova Pump

[5-90]

How about this? First one that came up on Google "Aguila +Ammuntion +Shotgun"

http://www.aguilaammo.com/minishells.htm

So, I was a little off - they're 1-3/4" long. Still, they're comparable to full-length (2-3/4") 12 gage, 1 ounce slugs. The slugs in these are 7/8-ounce - but that doesn't seem to be a problem. I've been able to pull reliable hits out to 100Y with them (even though, if I've got to deal with something that far away, I'll reach for the carbine or a rifle!) and there's no problem at all with them inside of 50Y, right down to "pistol range."

Some shotguns may require some modifications to the elevator to feed them reliably, and they're best in pumps (I knew I liked pumps for a reason - not ammo sensitive, they like abuse, &c.) and the fact of being able to load so many of them in a full-length magazine tube has caused raised eyebrows at the range when they note that I've popped off 10 rounds and I'm still shooting!

They may have revised them slightly, to work with more guns, but I think the original development was done in the Winchester 1200/1300/1400, which is why they work in there just fine.

I also note that they've got a birdshot load (7-1/2) and a buckshot load (4 + 1.) I'll have to try those someday...

5-90

[ECKSJAY]

I'm in the same market and have been doing some research on the three pump action guns mentioned.

Mossberg : the plastic safety can break easily

Get an aluminum one.
Remington: I personally am not crazy about the location of the safety
Get a 'jumbo head' safety and you'll be just fine. Safety buttons are all relative to keeping your fawking finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire, anyway!
Winchester: no real complaints but liked the feel of the 870 better

I'm going with the Remington 870.
Atta boy. :)

[87manche]

I was always taught that you shouldn't ever trust a safety anyway

[ECKSJAY]

I was always taught that you shouldn't ever trust a safety anyway

I'd give you a cookie if I had one. :)

[5-90]

I was always taught that you shouldn't ever trust a safety anyway

"The principal safety on any firearm is between your ears. Everything else is a backup - and should not be trusted."
Don Diggs - 1930-2005 My grandfather, smartest and wisest man I've ever known.

5-90

[87manche]

I'd give you a cookie if I had one. :)
I was a shooting sports instructor for 2 years at the BSA camp here. We NEVER used safeties. Weapons had to be laid down breech open before the range was declared cold.

[87manche]

"The principal safety on any firearm is between your ears. Everything else is a backup - and should not be trusted."
Don Diggs - 1930-2005 My grandfather, smartest and wisest man I've ever known.

5-90
Any man that said that was certainly wise.

[Gil BullyKatz]

My grandpa always preached...

don't carry unless you're prepared to use it...

don't use it unless you're prepared to kill.

Oh and...

also carry a throwaway.

:D

[ECKSJAY]

I was a shooting sports instructor for 2 years at the BSA camp here. We NEVER used safeties. Weapons had to be laid down breech open before the range was declared cold.

I agree. :) Good stuff. Only the ignorant rely on the safety mechanism.