Israel
NAXJA Forum User
- Location
- Spanish Fahrk, Utah
Symptoms:
Stubling and hesitation when first starting up the jeep, and when stopping at traffic lights and stop signs.
Motor impossible to start for at least 15 minutes when stopping for a break on the higher mountain trails around here.
CEL light and Code 51
Possible contributing factors:
Bad cat replaced about 2 years ago but not rear O2 sensor. (Bad rear sensor?)
Found rust or dirt in fuel filter when I changed it, but it hadn't been changed since I bought the Jeep 3 years ago.
Essentially, for the past year and a half the check engine light on my '96 has been off and on. For the past 6 months or so it has stayed on. When using the on and off trick with the ignition, I get a code 51 which indicates that the engine is running so lean that the ECU cannot compensate to bring it back into stoich. I first replaced the front O2 sensor which seemed to cure the initial start up stumbling/hesitation, but not when at a light or stop sign. I next replaced the fuel filter with improvements in driveability, but not curing the CEL. I broke down and took it to a local diagnostics shop which told me it was from a vacuum leak in my brake booster and a partially clogged fuel injector in cylinder #3. I replaced the booster along with the master cylinder which was leaking with no improvement in drivability.
A couple weeks later I replaced the injector. While replacing the injector I decided to check my plugs to see if the #3 spark plug was showing signs of that particular cylinder being run lean. All 6 plugs including #3 looked fine with a slight tan coloring on half of the plug insulation. It has been a couple of years since I changed the plugs so while I was in there I replaced the Bosch platinums with some regular Champion brand plugs. I had disconnected the battery to work on the fuel system so when I reconnected it, the light had been reset.
During the first day of driving I was sure the problem was solved as the Jeep ran far smoother than ever without any of the stumbling and hesitation it had shown after starting up or when stopping at a light or stop sign. But the next day the CEL came back on.
I've sent about 4 bottles of fuel system/injector cleaner of various brands through during this whole fiasco with no noticable improvement. I even tried running premium fuel based on a suggestion I found while searching.
I'm really getting tired of throwing parts at and am seriously considering a propane conversion. Any suggestions?
Stubling and hesitation when first starting up the jeep, and when stopping at traffic lights and stop signs.
Motor impossible to start for at least 15 minutes when stopping for a break on the higher mountain trails around here.
CEL light and Code 51
Possible contributing factors:
Bad cat replaced about 2 years ago but not rear O2 sensor. (Bad rear sensor?)
Found rust or dirt in fuel filter when I changed it, but it hadn't been changed since I bought the Jeep 3 years ago.
Essentially, for the past year and a half the check engine light on my '96 has been off and on. For the past 6 months or so it has stayed on. When using the on and off trick with the ignition, I get a code 51 which indicates that the engine is running so lean that the ECU cannot compensate to bring it back into stoich. I first replaced the front O2 sensor which seemed to cure the initial start up stumbling/hesitation, but not when at a light or stop sign. I next replaced the fuel filter with improvements in driveability, but not curing the CEL. I broke down and took it to a local diagnostics shop which told me it was from a vacuum leak in my brake booster and a partially clogged fuel injector in cylinder #3. I replaced the booster along with the master cylinder which was leaking with no improvement in drivability.
A couple weeks later I replaced the injector. While replacing the injector I decided to check my plugs to see if the #3 spark plug was showing signs of that particular cylinder being run lean. All 6 plugs including #3 looked fine with a slight tan coloring on half of the plug insulation. It has been a couple of years since I changed the plugs so while I was in there I replaced the Bosch platinums with some regular Champion brand plugs. I had disconnected the battery to work on the fuel system so when I reconnected it, the light had been reset.
During the first day of driving I was sure the problem was solved as the Jeep ran far smoother than ever without any of the stumbling and hesitation it had shown after starting up or when stopping at a light or stop sign. But the next day the CEL came back on.
I've sent about 4 bottles of fuel system/injector cleaner of various brands through during this whole fiasco with no noticable improvement. I even tried running premium fuel based on a suggestion I found while searching.
I'm really getting tired of throwing parts at and am seriously considering a propane conversion. Any suggestions?