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Kejtar

December 28th, 2005, 07:34

well i am on the search for a dana 44 my local yards are Wilmington PnP and Ecology if you can take a look around your local yards for some 44s let me know!!! if you find me one i will pay a reward :D

Take a trip to a yard on a weekly basis :D If pulled, I hear that the 44's go for about $350 :D (about $125 ~$150 if you do it yourself ;) )

Cupcake

December 28th, 2005, 08:58

looks like i am going hunting on friday if i find one i will get it and maybe even on saturday hopefully i can find one

cupcake

JaMMin2525

December 28th, 2005, 23:31

i went to the Ecology off imperial highway today, 5 cherokees but no 44's 3 of them have 4.0's and were put out today. so if u need parts they are ripe for the pickin.

I actually found my D44 at the Pick-your-part in Longbeach, you should also give that place a shot, they do have a couple cherokees everytime i go. Make sure its the bigone, they have 2 yards close to eachother

87_jpchrk

December 29th, 2005, 00:28

If your still looking for a 44, Quinn at All J's in Colton has a couple listed on his web site. www.boulderbars.com (http://www.boulderbars.com/) If you give him a call he may negotiate the price with you a bit

Brian

Cupcake

December 29th, 2005, 08:37

no thanks the lowest he would go is $500 and i dont have that kind of money

cupcake

Kejtar

December 29th, 2005, 08:57

no thanks the lowest he would go is $500 and i dont have that kind of money

cupcake
start digging :D They are out there and with a little elbow grease they can be had for pretty good price.

Cupcake

December 29th, 2005, 11:56

i am waking at 7 tommorow to go on the search i will find a 44 even if i die trying and i use my muscles..... how far is simi valley from torrance?

cupcake

RWKHausSupply

December 29th, 2005, 11:59

Well if you dont find one. One way auto salvage in Alhambra shows to have one for 400 and they may take a little less.. Just a thought

cal

December 29th, 2005, 12:02

i am waking at 7 tommorow to go on the search i will find a 44 even if i die trying and i use my muscles..... how far is simi valley from torrance?

cupcake

Simi valley is a long drive. Not undoable, but its a good ways out the 118.. maybe 45 miles?

Cupcake

December 29th, 2005, 12:14

man I hope pick a part in Wilmington has one they are having a 50% off sale this weekend.

cupcake

cbremer

December 29th, 2005, 12:25

man I hope pick a part in Wilmington has one they are having a 50% off sale this weekend.

cupcake

good luck finding parking :rattle:

RWKHausSupply

December 29th, 2005, 12:26

cal

December 29th, 2005, 12:40

well what about a 8.8" out of a exploder. Thats always a option right? I mean with who all is comign over one of them could hang some perches on it for ya? Then the only issue is the rear yoke and MORE can over night one to ya. I got my 8.8 complete for 110$ from PAP near Knotts..

The problem with an 8.8 is the diff is -freaking huge-, and gets hung up constantly if your running smaller than 33 or 35's.

RWKHausSupply

December 29th, 2005, 12:57

The problem with an 8.8 is the diff is -freaking huge-, and gets hung up constantly if your running smaller than 33 or 35's.

Really. Thats odd I have read in nurmerous articles that the 8.8 Centerline of tube to bottom of housing is only 5-7/8" and a Stock Dana 35 is 5". and that the clear under diff between a D35 and 8.8 is 10.25" as compared to 9.4 with a 33" tire.. so thats only like 7/8" total. With a ring gear of 7.5 in the D35 an 8.8 in the 8.8 (had to state that haha), thats a larger difference then only 7/8". with a ring gear of I think its 8.5ish in the D44 that would have to make me think that the 8.8" rear can only hang like a 1/4" - 3/8" lower? if thats so then theres not really a big different?

Not to mention you get a limited slip that is better then nada if you arent getting a locker off the bat?

Kejtar

December 29th, 2005, 13:24

Really. Thats odd I have read in nurmerous articles that the 8.8 Centerline of tube to bottom of housing is only 5-7/8" and a Stock Dana 35 is 5". and that the clear under diff between a D35 and 8.8 is 10.25" as compared to 9.4 with a 33" tire.. so thats only like 7/8" total. With a ring gear of 7.5 in the D35 an 8.8 in the 8.8 (had to state that haha), thats a larger difference then only 7/8". with a ring gear of I think its 8.5ish in the D44 that would have to make me think that the 8.8" rear can only hang like a 1/4" - 3/8" lower? if thats so then theres not really a big different?

Not to mention you get a limited slip that is better then nada if you arent getting a locker off the bat?
8.8 is pretty big. It's bigger then D35 and D44. Also you can get a limited slip in a D44 as well. The only upside to an 8.8 is if you get one with disk brakes already on it and 4.11 gears (if that's the gear ratio you're after).

cracker

December 29th, 2005, 13:26

Then the only issue is the rear yoke and MORE can over night one to ya.

What?

You just take it off of the driveshaft on the explorer. If you are good when you are in the junk yard, you take it off of the driveshaft and bolt it onto the axle and go to the register. They won't charge you any more for it that way. You will need those bolts anyway.

Why spend the cash with M.O.R.E. to have it overnighted? lastara

And Cal, the pumpkin is quite large but my main problem with it was not on 33s but with 35s out at JV. I would recommend the 8.8 over and over again and if I was going to stay on 35s I would keep it. Now TNT has some cool trusses for it too!

http://www.tntcustoms.com/webV3/88truss2.gif

http://www.tntcustoms.com/webV3/88truss1.gif

cracker

December 29th, 2005, 13:30

Really. Thats odd I have read in nurmerous articles that the 8.8 Centerline of tube to bottom of housing is only 5-7/8" and a Stock Dana 35 is 5". and that the clear under diff between a D35 and 8.8 is 10.25" as compared to 9.4 with a 33" tire.. so thats only like 7/8" total. With a ring gear of 7.5 in the D35 an 8.8 in the 8.8 (had to state that haha), thats a larger difference then only 7/8". with a ring gear of I think its 8.5ish in the D44 that would have to make me think that the 8.8" rear can only hang like a 1/4" - 3/8" lower? if thats so then theres not really a big different?

Not to mention you get a limited slip that is better then nada if you arent getting a locker off the bat?

Limited Slips are lastara . Be a man, use a locker.

Another downfall with the 8.8 is that the pinion sits 1.25" lower than a Dana axle (44, 35, 60, whatever). You hit your driveshaft quite a bit more with the 8.8 because of this. I have bent two shafts this year.

Again, I would recommend this over and over again OVER the Dana 44. I know of two 44s with bent tubes (Remi!)

RWKHausSupply

December 29th, 2005, 13:33

What?

You just take it off of the driveshaft on the explorer. If you are good when you are in the junk yard, you take it off of the driveshaft and bolt it onto the axle and go to the register. They won't charge you any more for it that way. You will need those bolts anyway.

Why spend the cash with M.O.R.E. to have it overnighted? lastara

So did I waste my doh on the flange to "allow me to retain my XJ driveshaft"? They told me (and I believed them) that the stock flange on the 8.8 I have would not fit the same stock size ujoint on the XJ shaft I have now? is that true?

cracker

December 29th, 2005, 13:34

So did I waste my doh on the flange to "allow me to retain my XJ driveshaft"? They told me (and I believed them) that the stock flange on the 8.8 I have would not fit the same stock size ujoint on the XJ shaft I have now? is that true?

My driveshaft shop said that the 4x4 explorers used a 1330 and the 2wd used a 1310. I am unsure if that is true or not but I brought mine to the guy a week ago and it is now on my XJ. I got it out of the yard and it is a 1310.

There is also heavier duty yolk adapters (companion flange) out there too.

I destroyed a companion flange about two weeks ago.

http://beta.propichosting.com/FileHandler.ashx?pa=501327&sub=11&timecode=632698614349062500&checkref=1

RWKHausSupply

December 29th, 2005, 13:40

Limited Slips are lastara . Be a man, use a locker.

Another downfall with the 8.8 is that the pinion sits 1.25" lower than a Dana axle (44, 35, 60, whatever). You hit your driveshaft quite a bit more with the 8.8 because of this. I have bent two shafts this year.

Again, I would recommend this over and over again OVER the Dana 44. I know of two 44s with bent tubes (Remi!)

Ok its hyjacking time I guess.. but this is informative if nothing else...

So why do I read (of course its internet) that the Pinion height, U-joint center below tube center is the same between the D35 to 8.8"? I do understand that the tube is .75" larger so that would mean 3/8" differnence in pinion height?

In any case I have the 8.8 in my garage and the D35 under the Xj in the garage, I guess tonight I will see about just doing my own measuring..

Kejtar

December 29th, 2005, 13:48

Again, I would recommend this over and over again OVER the Dana 44. I know of two 44s with bent tubes (Remi!)
Tube isn't bent: the plug weld is busted. Same problem (similar) as with the 8.8 tube spinning. So.... weld it to the housing ahead of time or truss it (either one should get that treatment).

cracker

December 29th, 2005, 13:50

Ok its hyjacking time I guess.. but this is informative if nothing else...

So why do I read (of course its internet) that the Pinion height, U-joint center below tube center is the same between the D35 to 8.8"? I do understand that the tube is .75" larger so that would mean 3/8" differnence in pinion height?

In any case I have the 8.8 in my garage and the D35 under the Xj in the garage, I guess tonight I will see about just doing my own measuring..

I just double checked. I am wrong about the pinion difference. They are almost the same between a Dana 35 but the 8.8 is almost 1/2 inch lower on a Dana 44 and Dana 60. Regardless I have quite a bit of damage on my driveshaft because of it. Whether it would have been different on the 44 I don't know.

Do your measurements. The fawking 8.8 is huge. I have it. I like it. I have to sell it but I would keep it and truss it if I stayed on 35s. Like Remi said, weld the tubes to the diff when you are working on it.

When I get home I will measure the distance from the diff to the ground (on bald 35s) and it might tell us something about the clearance.

Sorry Cupcake to hyjack your thread :wave:

RWKHausSupply

December 29th, 2005, 14:15

When I get home I will measure the distance from the diff to the ground (on bald 35s) and it might tell us something about the clearance.

Sorry Cupcake to hyjack your thread :wave:

Well if you could do a measurement of both the ground to lowest point of U-joint and one from the ground to lowest point of Diff housing? And evan one more of to the bottom of tube?

Then tonight I will do the same to the D35 I have in my jeep and even though the total for each will be way different, it can be mathmatically figured as to the true relationship of each with using what is given already.

Thanks

PS, I have the TNT truss and u-bolt eliminators coming in the mail already and TNT said that theres no need to weld to the diff housing, only to the tubes, to prevent the tubes from ever spinning.. So, thats what I have planed.

cal

December 29th, 2005, 14:17

Well if you could do a measurement of both the ground to lowest point of U-joint and one from the ground to lowest point of Diff housing? And evan one more of to the bottom of tube?

Then tonight I will do the same to the D35 I have in my jeep and even though the total for each will be way different, it can be mathmatically figured as to the true relationship of each with using what is given already.

Just for shits and giggles, I'll measure my 8.25 on 35's tonight and my d44 on 35's when I get it installed (maybe this weekend) and post it back to this thread.

cracker

December 29th, 2005, 15:43

Well if you could do a measurement of both the ground to lowest point of U-joint and one from the ground to lowest point of Diff housing? And evan one more of to the bottom of tube?

Will do!

With the TNT truss, I doubt the tubes will spin independantly but couldn't the dif spin independantly of the tubes?

cracker

December 29th, 2005, 18:23

As promised, my measurements are as follows:

Ground to lowest portion of differential = 10.5"
Ground to bottom portion of the yolk = 16 1/8"

Keep in mind I have 8-9" of lift, bald 315/75/16 BFG MTs, and my pinion is pretty much pointed right at my transfer case.

Now am am really curious to see what the other's numbers are :D

Jump This

December 29th, 2005, 19:16

Since Crack head measured his distances...I was wondering about my Heep....
33" MTRs with the 8.25 rear end, ground clearance (thats what we call the distance between Mother Earth and the lowest portion of the diff :laugh3: )' was at 9.5". Yoke clearance was 14 3/4".
This info was provided only as another reference point. I'm not in the market to upgrade to a 44 yet. I suppose I'd need to break something in the rear first....
Rick R :sunshine:
Keep in mind that lift height makes no difference in these measurements!! :wave:

RWKHausSupply

December 29th, 2005, 19:38

Since Crack head measured his distances...
Keep in mind that lift height makes no difference in these measurements!! :wave:

Wrong hight does on the pinion height IF you have a sye and the rear pinion is set right...

And crack head huh? Classic.....

cracker

December 29th, 2005, 20:35

Wrong hight does on the pinion height IF you have a sye and the rear pinion is set right...

And crack head huh? Classic.....

That's okay Robert, next time Cptn. Ron and Goat aren't on the run, we'll leave Rick out there :laugh3:

The pinion angle is why I mentioned my lift.

cal

December 29th, 2005, 20:59

29 spline 8.25, 315/76/16 MT/R's (35").

10.3 to the diff, and about 15.5 to the yoke.

I should have the dana 44 on in a few days, and I'll measure again with it.
-C

cracker

December 29th, 2005, 21:02

29 spline 8.25, 315/76/16 MT/R's (35").

10.3 to the diff, and about 15.5 to the yoke.

I should have the dana 44 on in a few days, and I'll measure again with it.
-C

WTF? You are only 10.3"? I am 10.5" I REALLY want to know what your 44 measures out to now. Your tires are in excellent condition too.

Good to know.

cal

December 29th, 2005, 21:18

WTF? You are only 10.3"? I am 10.5" I REALLY want to know what your 44 measures out to now. Your tires are in excellent condition too.

Good to know.

1) 315/75/16 = 34.4", not 35.

2) the 8.25 has a 1" lip at the bottom most guys shave, i didnt

3) i measured it in the dark with a ruler. :)

cracker

December 29th, 2005, 21:50

1) 315/75/16 = 34.4", not 35.

From now on I expect you to say you have 34.4" tires on your XJ :D

3) i measured it in the dark with a ruler. :)

If not a ruler, what would you use? :D

cal

December 29th, 2005, 21:52

From now on I expect you to say you have 34.4" tires on your XJ :D

If not a ruler, what would you use? :D

A tape measure.. not a ruler i found in my desk after leaving my tape measure sitting next to my stack of driveshafts at my dad's..

Grzz701

December 29th, 2005, 22:25

OK now you guys have made me curious. I'll have to measure mine tomorrow and see what 35's (not 34.4's :) ) with a 60 are at.
Mark

Cupcake

December 30th, 2005, 11:37

no luck pick a part has none looks like my 44 is just gonna have to wait

cupcake

Kejtar

December 30th, 2005, 16:22

no luck pick a part has none looks like my 44 is just gonna have to wait

cupcake
You didn't look hard enough... I got an MJ D44 one for sale ;) Just picked it up today :D

cracker

December 30th, 2005, 16:57

You didn't look hard enough... I got an MJ D44 one for sale ;) Just picked it up today :D

BUT with an MJ Dana 44 you have to weld new perches and mounts. It is the SAME amount of work as getting an 8.8.

Cupcake, if you want an 8.8 let me know. I pretty much have a complete one with a limited slip in the garage here :D

I'll even help you get it going too!

Kejtar

December 30th, 2005, 17:17

BUT with an MJ Dana 44 you have to weld new perches and mounts. It is the SAME amount of work as getting an 8.8.

But 8.8 got C CLIPS!!!

XJ_ranger

December 30th, 2005, 17:24

But 8.8 got C CLIPS!!!

Hasta

Kejtar

December 30th, 2005, 17:28

Hasta
yo webwheeler.... seems that you got lost: go back to the cold north ;)

RWKHausSupply

December 30th, 2005, 17:29

But 8.8 got C CLIPS!!!

and thats a problem?

hasta

Kejtar

December 30th, 2005, 17:33

and thats a problem?
hasta
If you bust a shaft on a c clip axle and got no spare it IS a problem!

RWKHausSupply

December 30th, 2005, 17:50

If you bust a shaft on a c clip axle and got no spare it IS a problem!

and so on say a D44 or even D60, if you bearak a axle you think your going to make it any further then a C-style??? Maybe 100 ft more? you ever seen what a broken shaft end does to the inside on a axle tube if you try to keep the veh moving after snaping, That is of course untill the retaining collar on the axle shaft gets pull down the shaft and it starts to Chew the crap out of the brake shoes on the drums, as the axle comes out of the tube.

Now a 8.8 snaps a axle and it too is still moving and again chewing up the inside tube while the calliper is being forced to keep that axle in the tube. After again a short distance it too is fubaring the brakes and the housing.

Now does it really matter!?

Ok lets take full floater! thats where when you compare, you can use the disatvantage of c-clips or retaining plates.... Kinda like this.. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/New-IMCA-Modified-9-Ford-Floater-Rear-End-dirt-track_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ107061QQitemZ4600 442793QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

Kejtar

December 30th, 2005, 17:54

and so on say a D44 or even D60, if you bearak a axle you think your going to make it any further then a C-style??? Maybe 100 ft more? you ever seen what a broken shaft end does to the inside on a axle tube if you try to keep the veh moving after snaping, That is of course untill the retaining collar on the axle shaft gets pull down the shaft and it starts to Chew the crap out of the brake shoes on the drums, as the axle comes out of the tube.

Now a 8.8 snaps a axle and it too is still moving and again chewing up the inside tube while the calliper is being forced to keep that axle in the tube. After again a short distance it too is fubaring the brakes and the housing.

Now does it really matter!?

Ok lets take full floater! thats where when you compare, you can use the disatvantage of c-clips or retaining plates....
Ummm what the hell are you talking about? WIth a D44 if you snap an axle shaft, you stop, remove the pieces and if you got no spares you run on a stub. If you snap an axle shaft on a c clip axle you have to build some funky jig so that the tire and the remainder of the shaft does not separate the vehicle.

RWKHausSupply

December 30th, 2005, 17:58

Ummm what the hell are you talking about? WIth a D44 if you snap an axle shaft, you stop, remove the pieces and if you got no spares you run on a stub. If you snap an axle shaft on a c clip axle you have to build some funky jig so that the tire and the remainder of the shaft does not separate the vehicle.

so tell me what supports the inboard end of the broken D44 shaft once it no longer spans into the carrier??

Kejtar

December 30th, 2005, 18:05

so tell me what supports the inboard end of the broken D44 shaft once it no longer spans into the carrier??
Nothing, it sits in a bearing which sits in a race and is pressed in by a retainer plate. Anyways dude, you're making it all complicated and it's simple:
you got a cclip axle and a busted shaft and no spares you're SOL for most part. If it doesn't have a c clip, you're ahead of the game. That doesn't mean ride on the freeway at 80mph, but it means that you can get off the trail and limp to town. I would agree that 8.8 has fairly strong shafts which means that breakage isn't necessarily too likely. But with that comes a price: few carry a spare axleshaft.
:hasta:

RWKHausSupply

December 30th, 2005, 19:27

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Captain Ron

December 30th, 2005, 19:35

Oh brother.

Junkyards are gay...

Unless they deliver. :D

--ron

PS: Seems like the mark up here for junk is going up. :D

cracker

December 30th, 2005, 21:04

Junkyards are gay...

Those boat people are so snobby they won't even set foot in a junk yard :rolleyes:

Nothing, it sits in a bearing which sits in a race and is pressed in by a retainer plate. Anyways dude, you're making it all complicated and it's simple:
you got a cclip axle and a busted shaft and no spares you're SOL for most part. If it doesn't have a c clip, you're ahead of the game. That doesn't mean ride on the freeway at 80mph, but it means that you can get off the trail and limp to town. I would agree that 8.8 has fairly strong shafts which means that breakage isn't necessarily too likely. But with that comes a price: few carry a spare axleshaft.
::

Yes! Yes! Robert, Remi is correct.

I would agree that 8.8 has fairly strong shafts which means that breakage isn't necessarily too likely. But with that comes a price: few carry a spare axleshaft.
::

For those of you who know me and that have driven with me, all know I have put the 8.8 through its paces locked with an ARB and 35s.

Remi, Ron and the others, have to admit, that fawkin' axle has taken one hell of a beating!

Kejtar

December 30th, 2005, 21:08

Remi, Ron and the others, have to admit, that fawkin' axle has taken one hell of a beating!
yeah... but it's still gay and it sucks

Kejtar

December 30th, 2005, 21:10

PS: Seems like the mark up here for junk is going up. :D

Well it's not markup it's the delivery charge.

Unless they deliver

cracker

December 30th, 2005, 21:10

yeah... but it's still gay and it sucks

You're lastara
:D

Captain Ron

December 30th, 2005, 21:19

Those boat people are so snobby they won't even set foot in a junk yard :rolleyes:

Yes! Yes! Robert, Remi is correct.

For those of you who know me and that have driven with me, all know I have put the 8.8 through its paces locked with an ARB and 35s.

Remi, Ron and the others, have to admit, that fawkin' axle has taken one hell of a beating!

Hijackomatic.

Damn right. Junk yards are for junk, and the lame Ohs that think this forum is for those without a resale number on this board. Make a profit off wholesale for christ sakes. :D

Hey Wise Guy. :D I gotta fawkin 8.25, not shaved, that's seen trails your 8.8 hasn't. And you know that I'm throwing you major crap here Avery, because you are one of the very minor few that would show up where I do on a regular basis without the full build-up the cheaters have. :D

I got your 8.8 thread here. Need a shave?

http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=72720&page=1&pp=15 (http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=72720&page=1&pp=15)

Seriously, all you guys weeping and moaning over all this stuff...

I guess someday I'll see some of you folks on a really difficult trail, after your in the "Equipment will get you anywhere stage."

--ron

PS: Rick, you rock, crack head. :D

RWKHausSupply

December 30th, 2005, 21:26

cracker

December 30th, 2005, 21:27

Hijackomatic.

Damn right. Junk yards are for junk, and the lame Ohs that think this forum is for those without a resale number on this board. Make a profit off wholesale for christ sakes. :D

Hey Wise Guy. :D I gotta fawkin 8.25, not shaved, that's seen trails your 8.8 hasn't. And you know that I'm throwing you major crap here Avery, because you are one of the very minor few that would show up where I do on a regular basis without the full build-up the cheaters have. :D

I got your 8.8 thread here. Need a shave?

http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=72720&page=1&pp=15 (http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=72720&page=1&pp=15)

Seriously, all you guys weeping and moaning over all this stuff...

I guess someday I'll see some of you folks on a really difficult trail, after your in the "Equipment will get you anywhere stage."

--ron

PS: Rick, you rock, crack head. :D

Fiesty tonight aren't we :D

So, I must ask, who's junk are you workin on there?

Ready for an all nighter? I'll be right up with mine! :D

BTW what is your clearance on your XJ with 33s and the 8.25?

cracker

December 30th, 2005, 21:27

well I am on track to hopefully be able to hit the hammers again soon. I would love to follow anyone here and break what ever I got trying..

PS anyone ever wheel with the Tin Benders?? Now thats a challange.....

Tim Bently?

He's a pussy compared to Remi!

You follow Tim and your bound for a smooth ride. You follow Remi and you get door damage :D

RWKHausSupply

December 30th, 2005, 21:31

Tim Bently?

He's a pussy compared to Remi!

You follow Tim and your bound for a smooth ride. You follow Remi and you get door damage :D

Well thats good to know.. and I was refering to Todd from TB's

Captain Ron

December 30th, 2005, 23:17

You dumpster dive, I'll wheel.

I'm a snob. :D

That is all.

--ron

Mike L

December 31st, 2005, 11:01

Tim Bently?

He's a pussy compared to Remi!

You follow Tim and your bound for a smooth ride. You follow Remi and you get door damage :D

He was referring to TIN BENDERS (http://www.tinbenders.org/)

Bent

January 1st, 2006, 10:11

Tim Bentley?

He's a pussy compared to Remi!

You follow Tim and your bound for a smooth ride. You follow Remi and you get door damage:rattle:

Hey you ectopic auburn follicle'd fatherless child by marriage; you suck; your post sucks; this thread sucks; junk yards suck and your father smells of elderberry! I fart in your general direction!

:cry: Leave me alone. :cry:

TIM
:D

cracker

January 1st, 2006, 12:13

Hey you ectopic auburn follicle'd fatherless child by marriage; you suck; your post sucks; this thread sucks; junk yards suck and your father smells of elderberry! I fart in your general direction!

:cry: Leave me alone. :cry:

TIM
:D

Don't make me taunt you a second time!