sqaure driveshaft?? anyone?

[drbobxj]

Hey, just looking around on a toy forum, found a sqaure shaft. Has anyone made a sqaure shaft for the XJ??

If not is there a problem with it? I'm thinking of doing it, I need a longer one in the rear and I'm too cheap for a tom woods.. so I'm thinking of a RE hack N' tap, with a square shaft, using a front shaft CV, and U-joint. What do you all think? good Idea or bad?

[Dirk Pitt]

Trail rig only, or street driven?

Good theory, but I can see it being hard to balance.

Make sure you weld the yokes on in phase.

[XJ_ranger]

Trail rig only, or street driven?

Good theory, but I can see it being hard to balance.

Make sure you weld the yokes on in phase.

that and the strength would drop a lot...

going from 27 splines to 4...

[drbobxj]

Here is where I was looking..
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=90517

yeah, sounds like balancing is the big problem..
its not a DD but would drive on hwy.

strength I don't think is a problem

[Dirk Pitt]

that and the strength would drop a lot...

going from 27 splines to 4...

Debatable

I doubt it is an issue with rigs powered like ours.

[bigwhitey]

Yes it works. No you don't want it spinning at speed on the highway. This is for offroad use only.

[88rockxj]

that and the strength would drop a lot...

going from 27 splines to 4...



haha, a .250 thick square drive shaft will be twice as strong as a stock xj shaft (not the joints)

unless you need a long travel drive line , its a trail only rig, and you have no money then go ahead. but one thing i dont understand is why building drive lines is over rated. first drive line i ever built would go to 70 mph with barely the slightest vibration (rear shaft)

the cheapest most effective way to do it(if you can weld and have common fab skills) buy a hack and tap from RE with the flange not the yoke then buy a junk yard toyota shaft and cut off one end then take your stock shaft and cut the axle end off weld it to the yota shaft. use a metal chop saw and take your time setting the pieces up in the chop saw so that you get pefectly lined cuts. i used two lengths of STRAIGHT boards and layed the drive line inbetween them and it self straightened the shaft

blew the u joints in my front shaft, couple birfrields,one cross pin in the carrier, flopped it 3 times all with 38.5 boggers and my rear shaft never blinked once. mind that was on a toyota but ive owned 3 cherokees and the 30 and 35 would let go before i could wheel any where near as a hard as i did in the yota so unless you have 60's i dont see the shaft being a problem

[drbobxj]

haha, a .250 thick square drive shaft will be twice as strong as a stock xj shaft (not the joints)

unless you need a long travel drive line , its a trail only rig, and you have no money then go ahead. but one thing i dont understand is why building drive lines is over rated. first drive line i ever built would go to 70 mph with barely the slightest vibration (rear shaft)

the cheapest most effective way to do it(if you can weld and have common fab skills) buy a hack and tap from RE with the flange not the yoke then buy a junk yard toyota shaft and cut off one end then take your stock shaft and cut the axle end off weld it to the yota shaft. use a metal chop saw and take your time setting the pieces up in the chop saw so that you get pefectly lined cuts. i used two lengths of STRAIGHT boards and layed the drive line inbetween them and it self straightened the shaft

blew the u joints in my front shaft, couple birfrields,one cross pin in the carrier, flopped it 3 times all with 38.5 boggers and my rear shaft never blinked once. mind that was on a toyota but ive owned 3 cherokees and the 30 and 35 would let go before i could wheel any where near as a hard as i did in the yota so unless you have 60's i dont see the shaft being a problem


So your saying a rear toy shaft will mount with or with out new holes??? to a RE hack N' Tap flange? I haven't look at nether yet.

[88rockxj]

So your saying a rear toy shaft will mount with or with out new holes??? to a RE hack N' Tap flange? I haven't look at nether yet.


if it doesnt simply drill 4 new holes in the RE flange , did this to my yota flange so i could use a regular u joint on the front shaft instead of the cv

but if somone knows the measurments of the RE flange then i can tell you and i can post all the different measurments of the different toyota flanges through out the years

[a_tittman]

All I have to say is it sounds like a bad idea. Sharp corners cause stress concentrations. I would not recommend it. I would not recommend creating stress concentrations in your driveshaft.

Adam

[Wackodrumr]

They did that on eXtreme 4x4.

They used 2 pieces of 1/4" square tubing(each different sizes), welded the cut-off ends of their stock shafts onto the ends of the square tube.

I would only do that if a wheelin' trip was coming up and I didn't have a shaft. If you ever took that faster than 30 You'd probably screw up some u-joints. Balancing is WAY off.

[bj-666]

i have seen many and heard about many they DO work, most people are either using them because they are easy to make or for the long slip yoke. some will say otherwise but they should not be run at high speed because of ballancing and a loose slip joint. great to toss in the back as a spare because you can make on that can fit front and rear.

[THRASHER]

highway speeds you will break the rear output on the t-case....roomate destroyed his 3rd member on way back from MC a few weeks ago driving up 80 with his trail spare square shaft at 40mhp.... I wouldnt worry about strength, I saw an exo yota on 42's highcenter on the Con and "walk" is truck sideways with the square shaft

[BrettM]

that and the strength would drop a lot...

going from 27 splines to 4...
are you retarded?

a 14 bolt FF is 30 spline, does that mean my 30 spline D44 and Toy 8" are just as strong?

[XJ_ranger]

are you retarded?

a 14 bolt FF is 30 spline, does that mean my 30 spline D44 and Toy 8" are just as strong?

not at all

It was an oversimplification i guess...

i dont feel like explaining my missing logic on that one...

[Bent]

Are the square shafts on an annual or bi-annual thread rotation?

[RCP Phx]

Thats all my brother-in-law and all his buddies use(Toyotas w/ SBC's).But as stated its for trailered rigs only.

[88rockxj]

not at all

It was an oversimplification i guess...

i dont feel like explaining my missing logic on that one...


then lets see a pic of a broken square shaft, ive seen a million stock round shafts destroyed, never once seen or herd anything about a square shaft breaking beides u joints or the ears for the u joint not that actual square shaft. how many splines are on rockwell shafts? or an sm465 ?

[disxjer]

um usually guys run square d shafts in the front ( like i am on my cherokee on full widths) and if u have any bad a rig u will have manual hubs so u can drive u shit i the street. And there is no way you are gann a break the square d shaft except for u joints. and for that get some the are heat and freezed u joint and that have a liftetime warranty.

[xjrubicon91]

I saw that extreme 4X4 where they wheeled the CJ7 with their homwbrew square shaft. There is no question that the square tubing is stronger than a factory shaft (especially the slip-joint) but just be sure your welds are up to the task on the yolks themselves. Theirs weren't and they ended the day early! And they are not for street use! Has anyone brought up the possibility of using a front shaft in the rear yet? I've seen a couple of guys over on jeepforum.com running them w/ success.

[CRASH]

um usually guys run square d shafts in the front ( like i am on my cherokee on full widths) and if u have any bad a rig u will have manual hubs so u can drive u shit i the street. And there is no way you are gann a break the square d shaft except for u joints. and for that get some the are heat and freezed u joint and that have a liftetime warranty.

then lets see a pic of a broken square shaft, ive seen a million stock round shafts destroyed, never once seen or herd anything about a square shaft breaking beides u joints or the ears for the u joint not that actual square shaft. how many splines are on rockwell shafts? or an sm465 ?


I think the larger issue at hand is the appalling lack of fundamental spelling and grammar skills.

I need a translator to read some of these posts!

[Roxtar]

I think the larger issue at hand is the appalling lack of fundamental spelling and grammar skills.

I need a translator to read some of these posts!Oh no, we can't tell them they did something wrong. That might hurt their self esteem.

[PapaPump]

I think the larger issue at hand is the appalling lack of fundamental spelling and grammar skills.

I need a translator to read some of these posts!

hahahah! i had trouble with that first one you quoted!
not that i expect perfect grammar, obviously, but come on! it should be readable.

[davidt]

bottom line, for the rear, it is never ok for a street driven rig. For the front, if you have selectable hubs and LOUD clanking, then go for it. Otherwise get a new shaft. I got my DS retubed with .250 wall DOM for $140, can't beat that. Another option is go down to PnP and figure out what length shaft you need and start measuring. If you are lucky, you can find one. I found my front DS this way.

[88rockxj]

I think the larger issue at hand is the appalling lack of fundamental spelling and grammar skills.

I need a translator to read some of these posts!



if my poor grammar skills keep you from being able to understand what i meant then i think you are the one that needs some help, i was thinking about shop class while in english class.

[MyJeepXJ]

On an episode of "Xtream Offroad" or whatever its called, (Spike TV I think the channel is... same channel that "Trucks!" with David Stacey is on...) they built the "Cheap Jeep" and used square tubing for the driveshaft. Then took it to Uwharrie National Forrest (if Im not mistaken, maybe Telico but Im pretty sure it was UNF..) and did the trails with it. Held up perfectly fine.

As they stated on the show, and should be obvious, its for a trail rig, not intended for DD or streets.

Thats all I have to contribute...
Andrew

[Jes]

if my poor grammar skills keep you from being able to understand what i meant then i think you are the one that needs some help, i was thinking about shop class while in english class.

Wow, that certainly is an ignorant thing to type.

[Roxtar]

if my poor grammar skills keep you from being able to understand what i meant then i think you are the one that needs some help, i was thinking about shop class while in english class.speachless
:gee:

[Dirk Pitt]

On an episode of "Xtream Offroad" or whatever its called, (Spike TV I think the channel is... same channel that "Trucks!" with David Stacey is on...) they built the "Cheap Jeep" and used square tubing for the driveshaft. Then took it to Uwharrie National Forrest (if Im not mistaken, maybe Telico but Im pretty sure it was UNF..) and did the trails with it. Held up perfectly fine.

As they stated on the show, and should be obvious, its for a trail rig, not intended for DD or streets.

Thats all I have to contribute...
Andrew

Tellico

Nantahala National Forest

[CRASH]

if my poor grammar skills keep you from being able to understand what i meant then i think you are the one that needs some help, i was thinking about shop class while in english class.

I never took shop class, yet I think my fab skills are barely acceptable by societal standards. ;)

CRASH

P.S. Nothing says booty fab more than square driveshafts. For transferring torque, a round shaft is, pound for pound, the strongest shape known. Period. Anything else requires more material to achieve the same torsional strength, and thus becomes harder to balance, consequently placing tremendous loads on universal joints as they travel through their rotational paths.

[Panthers65]

Sounds good enough to give it a shot, worse comes to worse i'm out $20 and I have a spare driveshaft incase my good one brakes on the trail, why not?

[Lawn Cher']

Tellico

Nantahala National Forest

Nice place, I showed off the underside of my XJ there.

Remember kids, spelling, punctuation and grammar are as important to web wheeling as seatbelts and roll cages are to real wheeling.

[88rockxj]

Wow, that certainly is an ignorant thing to type.


how is that ignorant? i was having a conversation/debate with another member of this message board about square drive shafts, and out of no where "crash" comes in and personaly attacks me by talking smack about my lack of grammar skills. now you come in here and call me ignorant for defending myself, you sir are the ignorant one along with "crash" who i used to think was a decent respectable person untill now.



can you understand that or do i need to put some more periods and commas in there for your high level of intelligence to understand?

[CRASH]

along with "crash" who i used to think was a decent respectable person untill now.


Well, that was your first mistake. ;)

[Jes]

:confused1

[Lawn Cher']

how is that ignorant? i was having a conversation/debate with another member of this message board about square drive shafts, and out of no where "crash" comes in and personaly attacks me by talking smack about my lack of grammar skills. now you come in here and call me ignorant for defending myself, you sir are the ignorant one along with "crash" who i used to think was a decent respectable person untill now.



can you understand that or do i need to put some more periods and commas in there for your high level of intelligence to understand?

If CRASH picks on everyone about their written communication skills, is it really a personal attack? For crying out loud, communicating effectively is the message board equivalent to wearing deodorant. He's just letting you know that you have BO.

[88rockxj]

I never took shop class, yet I think my fab skills are barely acceptable by societal standards. ;)

CRASH

P.S. Nothing says booty fab more than square driveshafts. For transferring torque, a round shaft is, pound for pound, the strongest shape known. Period. Anything else requires more material to achieve the same torsional strength, and thus becomes harder to balance, consequently placing tremendous loads on universal joints as they travel through their rotational paths.



and yet your social skills are pathetic ,you disrespect people for no other reason then they have poor grammar skills. youre a pathetic person that attacks people on a personal level on the internet like a tough guy. i have been using a computer for around 5 years now and i cant for the life of me learn how to use all my fingers to type with so i use one finger on each hand, if i was to use commas and periods and use the shift button to capitalize my sentences i would be here all night, im sincerely sorry for any inconveniences i have caused you.

but onto the actual debate, yeah you are a round shape is pound for pound the strongest shape but guess what theres slip and splines involved. you therefore are transfering the torque load to the splines, a stock shaft with stock splines is no where near the strength of a square shaft which uses its shape as the splines unlike a round tube. some people dont have 200$ + to spend on a long travel drive shaft so they build a square one and its stronger then stock and it works. booty fab is something not strong and does not work worth a crap, where as a square shaft is strong and works fine.


take those "barely acceptable by societal standards" fab skills and fab up yourself the ability to see peoples opinions without being narrow minded and disrespectful.

[red91]

:flame:



Is it hot in here or is it just me ?

[88rockxj]

If CRASH picks on everyone about their written communication skills, is it really a personal attack? For crying out loud, communicating effectively is the message board equivalent to wearing deodorant. He's just letting you know that you have BO.



never noticed him picking on anyone else about thier grammar skills, im just talkin crap back since thats what a few are doing to me. ive tried to learn how to use all my fingers while typing and i cant figure it out so i type the way i do

[CRASH]

and yet your social skills are pathetic ,you disrespect people for no other reason then they have poor grammar skills.


Oh, I don't limit myself to criticizing just poor grammar and spelling!

I also enjoy criticizing:

Poor welding, bad ideas, inadequate design, inept execution, silly questions, antiquated technology, undersized drivetrain components, General Motors products, and leaf springs on the front of XJ's.

I know I'm forgetting something......
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wait, it's coming to me..................
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HINKLEY!

I love shoveling crap at Hinkley.

Loosen up 88rockXJ, you've got your panties wadded for no reason. So you're spelling and typing handicapped; all of us have shortcomings.

Just don't let a square-tubed driveshaft be one of them.

CRASH

[88rockxj]

Oh, I don't limit myself to criticizing just poor grammar and spelling!

I also enjoy criticizing:

Poor welding, bad ideas, inadequate design, inept execution, silly questions, antiquated technology, undersized drivetrain components, General Motors products, and leaf springs on the front of XJ's.

I know I'm forgetting something......
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wait, it's coming to me..................
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HINKLEY!

I love shoveling crap at Hinkley.

Loosen up 88rockXJ, you've got your panties wadded for no reason. So you're spelling and typing handicapped; all of us have shortcomings.

Just don't let a square-tubed driveshaft be one of them.

CRASH


i was trying to get your panties in a wad but it didnt work, now mine are in even more of a wad

[seanR]

i was trying to get your panties in a wad but it didnt work, now mine are in even more of a wad
Your I should have been upper case.

[Dirk Pitt]

but onto the actual debate, yeah you are a round shape is pound for pound the strongest shape but guess what theres slip and splines involved. you therefore are transfering the torque load to the splines, a stock shaft with stock splines is no where near the strength of a square shaft which uses its shape as the splines unlike a round tube.

So, if a square tube inside another square tube is superior to, and cheaper than a splined solid shaft, why don't they use them in the first place?

Because they look pretty?

[Dirk Pitt]

Your I should have been upper case.

If we're going to go there...

There should have been a period after "it didn't work." Then, "Now," should have been capitalized.

Thanks.

[CRASH]

On to the actual debate. Yes you are correct, a round shape is pound for pound the strongest shape; but guess what, there's a slip and splines involved. You are therefore transfering the torque load to the splines. A stock shaft, with stock splines, is no where near the strength of a square shaft, which uses its shape as the splines, unlike a round tube.

(Isn't it much easier to read with spelling and grammar corrected?) :wave:

Why would we compare a stock splined shaft to a square shaft? If we are "upgrading", then we need to talk about upgraded slip yokes, correct?

When you look at the data, and talk to the pros building shafts, you will find that a 1310 driveline universal joint fails FAR before a splined slip yoke. Same is true for a 1330. When you step up to a 1350 or 1410 joint, the slip grows accordingly, and is still much stronger than the joint. In fact, my aftermarket 1310 shaft uses the larger 1350 slip!

So what are we achieving with this super-strong square shaft? In essence, nothing, as I can build a round tube shaft out of DOM that balances better, glides over rocks easier, and can be run on the highway.

The failure point from a torsional load standpoint is still the same: the driveline u-joint.

[Lawn Cher']

So, if a square tube inside another square tube is superior to, and cheaper than a splined solid shaft, why don't they use them in the first place?

Because they look pretty?

No, silly! If they made all driveshafts out of square tube there'd be nothing left for trailer hitches!

[red91]

Oh, I don't limit myself to criticizing just poor grammar and spelling!


I love shoveling crap at Hinkley.



CRASH


Please provide an example ____________________________ <------- here

[88rockxj]

So, if a square tube inside another square tube is superior to, and cheaper than a splined solid shaft, why don't they use them in the first place?

Because they look pretty?


reread my posts, i think you missed something. i never knew stock shafts in an xj were solid??? where did i say they were superior to anything other then a stock shaft and its splines????? where did i say a square shaft is cheaper then a solid shaft??? is a square shaft cheaper then a stock shaft???? probably not. why would somone build a square shaft when a stock shaft will work?????? the only time somone should go to a square shaft is if they need more spline travel and dont have the money for a long travel drive line. i just love how you completely turn eveything i said around into somthing i didnt say. they are in no way superior to an AFTERMARKET DRIVE LINE

[88rockxj]

(Isn't it much easier to read with spelling and grammar corrected?) :wave:

Why would we compare a stock splined shaft to a square shaft? If we are "upgrading", then we need to talk about upgraded slip yokes, correct?

When you look at the data, and talk to the pros building shafts, you will find that a 1310 driveline universal joint fails FAR before a splined slip yoke. Same is true for a 1330. When you step up to a 1350 or 1410 joint, the slip grows accordingly, and is still much stronger than the joint. In fact, my aftermarket 1310 shaft uses the larger 1350 slip!

So what are we achieving with this super-strong square shaft? In essence, nothing, as I can build a round tube shaft out of DOM that balances better, glides over rocks easier, and can be run on the highway.

The failure point from a torsional load standpoint is still the same: the driveline u-joint.



were comparing stock shafts to square shafts becuase somone said a square shaft isnt strong and i corrected them by telling them its stronger then a stock shaft which it is, thats where the root of this came from but you wouldnt notice becuase you like to jump in and bash sh!t becuase of a previous opinion you came to with out reading all the posts




i could of sworn i also said in my VERY first post the shaft was twice as strong BESIDES THE JOINTS


what are we gainging? were gaining shaft strength over stock, were gaining spline travel, and we also dont have to pay as much$$$ as we would for the DOM and the long travel spline and yoke to build it round.

[88rockxj]

oh and just to let you know i dont like square shafts and i wont be using one ever besides perhaps as a spare or short term get me by kinda of thing. you guys seriously like to stretch peoples posts and dont read everything before replying.



QUOTE FROM MY VERY FIRST REPLY TO THIS SUBJECT YOU GUYS OBVIOUSLY MISSED



"unless you need a long travel drive line , its a trail only rig, and you have no money then go ahead"




then i went as far as telling him how he could build a round shaft , you guys seriously need help

[CRASH]

what are we gainging? were gaining shaft strength over stock, were gaining spline travel, and we also dont have to pay as much$$$ as we would for the DOM and the long travel spline and yoke to build it round.


And what are we losing?

[CRASH]

you guys seriously need help


Yes, we do.

[88rockxj]

And what are we losing?



you are losing your ability to look intelligent, like i said just becuase you dont like square shafts dont mean you have to be narrow minded about them, and plain wrong.

[88rockxj]

i think you guys are just pissed xjs came stock with such weak parts like the axles and star bolts

[red91]

since the pyramids have been around for thousands of years....it is my contention that a triangular shape is superior to a square shape.

[Jes]

i think you guys are just pissed xjs came stock with such weak parts like the axles and star bolts

Wow, that certainly is an ignorant thing to type.

[CRASH]

Well, there is right way and a wrong way to do things.

I can think of exactly ZERO applications where a square shaft is superior to a properly built round one. Strength, functionality, longevity are all superior with a properly designed splined shaft. Since I tend to build the best for myself and others, regardless of cost, I'll stick to my splined shaft.

Are you simultaneously arguing for and against a square tube shaft? Do you have any data to back up your arguments? Specifically this: haha, a .250 thick square drive shaft will be twice as strong as a stock xj shaft

I'm curious, if you think they are so great, why won't you run one?
Oh, and just to let you know, I dont like square shafts, and I won't be using one, besides perhaps as a spare, or short term get-me-by kinda of thing.

[CRASH]

you are losing your ability to look intelligent

Well, I have never been accused of looking intellegent.

However, many of my well-heeled friends note that I look handsome, and sound intelligent.

[88rockxj]

"I can think of exactly ZERO applications where a square shaft is superior to a properly built round one. Strength, functionality, longevity are all superior with a properly designed splined shaft. Since I tend to build the best for myself and others, regardless of cost, I'll stick to my splined shaft."


i completely agree besides that i may use a square shaft as a spare so i can use it as a spare for the front and rear (not on my xj, on my toy)



"Are you simultaneously arguing for and against a square tube shaft"


actualy yeah i am becuase im openminded and square shafts have thier pros and cons



"Do you have any data to back up your arguments? Specifically this:"


my proof is the lack of a single picture of a broken .250 square shaft , would you like me to show you pictures of a stock thickness shaft being destroyed after the weight of the vehicle is on the shaft itself? i can show you pictures of the weight of the vehicle on a square shaft and it simply laughed and walked sideways.


"I'm curious, if you think they are so great, why won't you run one?"


ive already explained the pros and cons of a square shaft, i will run one as a spare. i stated in my very first post i dont think thier "great" and i explained why somone should ever use one.


if you really wanna have a debate with somone try reading all of thier posts in the same thread when thier about thing youre debating. youll find yourself asking less questions and not being so confused.

[88rockxj]

this is my first reply to this thread, maybe it will help





"haha, a .250 thick square drive shaft will be twice as strong as a stock xj shaft (not the joints)

unless you need a long travel drive line , its a trail only rig, and you have no money then go ahead. but one thing i dont understand is why building drive lines is over rated. first drive line i ever built would go to 70 mph with barely the slightest vibration (rear shaft)

the cheapest most effective way to do it(if you can weld and have common fab skills) buy a hack and tap from RE with the flange not the yoke then buy a junk yard toyota shaft and cut off one end then take your stock shaft and cut the axle end off weld it to the yota shaft. use a metal chop saw and take your time setting the pieces up in the chop saw so that you get pefectly lined cuts. i used two lengths of STRAIGHT boards and layed the drive line inbetween them and it self straightened the shaft

blew the u joints in my front shaft, couple birfrields,one cross pin in the carrier, flopped it 3 times all with 38.5 boggers and my rear shaft never blinked once. mind that was on a toyota but ive owned 3 cherokees and the 30 and 35 would let go before i could wheel any where near as a hard as i did in the yota so unless you have 60's i dont see the shaft being a problem"

[XJ_ranger]

ok guys - play nice

then we can discuss using sewer pipe for a driveshaft:

http://128.83.80.200/taco/scary179.jpg

[drbobxj]

WOW all 4 pages over my question.. to bad only a few post helped...

[LBEXJ]

WOW all 4 pages over my question.. to bad only a few post helped...
But it sure is fun reading some of these posts ... you can add a "barkeater" accent to some of these posts and laugh like hell.

How many posts does it take to understand that square driveshafts, though they work for a trail rig, are an equivalent to a log bumper?

HTH

Les

[Gil BullyKatz]

Allow the king of cheap mods to chime in...

You can't beat a square DS when it comes to cheap can you?

Yes you can...

Either build one out of a scrap piece of DOM tubing or as someone earlier in the thread noted...

Figure out what length you need and hit a junkyard...

You want your u-joint to fail before the DS anyway...

Also, it would really suck to find out the difference in "glide factor" between square and round when wedged on a rock...

Nothing wrong when going cheap...

But you CAN go cheap AND smart...

http://www.goldsteinusa.com/images-q/2-cents-300-bw.jpg

edit: Ironic that this thread is in "Advanced Fabrication and Engineering" :D

[tealcherokee]

square is stronger than DOM for starters

and the rock breaks real quick, so the "glide factor" is less for the square, cuz the rock is no longer there

[Lawn Cher']

ok guys - play nice

then we can discuss using sewer pipe for a driveshaft:

http://128.83.80.200/taco/scary179.jpg

Hello ghetto.

[BrettM]

For transferring torque, a round shaft is, pound for pound, the strongest shape known. Period.

i think this thread is more concerned with dollar for dollar than pound for pound.

[88rockxj]

i think its clear either you know what a square shaft is good for or you just blindly diss them as worthless or as a "log bumper", this debate is endless and going no where.

[MyJeepXJ]

WOW all 4 pages over my question.. to bad only a few post helped...

No problem bro, glad I could be of some good service to ya!

I just came back today to see 5 pages, 4.5 of them are arguments. Just refer back to the Cheap Jeep a few of us talked about. :-)

Good luck weeding through the BS... HAHA!
Andrew

[Dirk Pitt]

square is stronger than DOM for starters

and the rock breaks real quick, so the "glide factor" is less for the square, cuz the rock is no longer there

Do you have any clue...nevermind.

:looney: :dunno:

[Roxtar]

square is stronger than DOM for starters

and the rock breaks real quick, so the "glide factor" is less for the square, cuz the rock is no longer thereYou're kidding, right?
I don't know what kind of "rocks" you're used to.
Hint: If your DS can move or break it, it's a "stone".

To me it's a very poor way to save a buck.
Gotta agree with that mean guy, CRASH; it's the definition of ghetto-fab.
First off, the tolerences between the inner and outer "shafts" would be loose at best. Bad Idea Jeans for a spinning part.
Second, get this thing spinning (banging) in the rocks and think of how long your u-joints are gonna last.

I'm all for cheap solutions but, like nakedness, there's good cheap and bad cheap.

Third, 88rockxj, you say you're in school, that tells me you have education at your disposal. Embrace the opportunity to learn.
Your grammar and spelling transcend bad. Reading your post was a workout.
CRASH called you on it. That'll happen when you type like that on an open forum. Get over it.
If you can't get over it, I would suggest a kinder, gentler location:
http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/forums/

[XJ_ranger]

You're kidding, right?
I don't know what kind of "rocks" you're used to.
Hint: If your DS can move or break it, it's a "stone".

To me it's a very poor way to save a buck.
Gotta agree with that mean guy, CRASH; it's the definition of ghetto-fab.
First off, the tolerences between the inner and outer "shafts" would be loose at best. Bad Idea Jeans for a spinning part.
Second, get this thing spinning (banging) in the rocks and think of how long your u-joints are gonna last.

I'm all for cheap solutions but, like nakedness, there's good cheap and bad cheap.

Third, 88rockxj, you say you're in school, that tells me you have education at your disposal. Embrace the opportunity to learn.
Your grammar and spelling transcend bad. Reading your post was a workout.
CRASH called you on it. That'll happen when you type like that on an open forum. Get over it.
If you can't get over it, I would suggest a kinder, gentler location:
http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/forums/

Brad - respectfully - you have no idea what tolerances and spinning things do in relationship to eachother...

obivously - you dont see the pure strength advantage of the 2 pieces of square tube :cool:


and - which cheap is nakedness?

[FarmerMatt]

square is stronger than DOM for starters

and the rock breaks real quick, so the "glide factor" is less for the square, cuz the rock is no longer there

Well, that says it all right there... While you're at it why even have a slip? Make your driveline just one solid tube. Than you don't have to worry about a traction bar...

[The Blu Yak]

god yall are worse then some middle school bitches in a cat fight..

[red91]

Please provide an example ____________________________ <------- here


I'm still waiting.....

[xjrubicon91]

Now, I don't mean to be a dick here but...I'm amazed at how much time you guys have spent justifying yourselves to people you don't know, all for the sake of being right. CRASH I know this will probably result in you cleverly bashing me, in such a way as too make youself look cool, thereby leaving me with no comeback. But...you seem like a real douche bag from reading this post. You could be a hell of a nice guy, but no one could know it from reading this thread. Do you really want to pigeon hole yourself like that? I can't wait for the day both of you guys show up for an NAXJA event, meet each other face to face, wheel together, become friends, then suddenly remember this conversation and think "WOW WE WERE BEING CHILDISH." I just hope I'm there, sharing my beer with both of you so I can see the looks on your faces. Lighten up guys. Let's all show up at the Rubicon next year and wheel together as brothers. We'll beat the pee out of our XJ's and I'll bring two spare driveshafts (one round and one square) in case either of you breaks yours! :p

[Gil BullyKatz]

shame shame shame!!!

On all you old timer NAXJA members!

For trying to direct someone with technical jargon...

I mean c'mon...

It's not like anyone here works in the metal industry or builds/sells aftermarket/modified parts for Cherokees right...

It's not like anyone here actually wheels and tests their theories and fabrications...

All of you are just jealous that none of you ever thought of using square tubing...

Don't even let me get started on the grammar/spelling issue...

It's downright rude of you to expect proper spelling or grammar from someone who needs to convey their ideas and/or requests in a written medium...

You're all a bunch of MEANIES!!!

[red91]

shame shame shame!!!

On all you old timer NAXJA members!

For trying to direct someone with technical jargon...

I mean c'mon...

It's not like anyone here works in the metal industry or builds/sells aftermarket/modified parts for Cherokees right...

It's not like anyone here actually wheels and tests their theories and fabrications...

All of you are just jealous that none of you ever thought of using square tubing...

Don't even let me get started on the grammar/spelling issue...

It's downright rude of you to expect proper spelling or grammar from someone who needs to convey their ideas and/or requests in a written medium...

You're all a bunch of MEANIES!!!


:smootch: hope you fell better now Gil. We're not ALL MEANIES.

[Gil BullyKatz]

Yes...

Please stop upsetting those with radical new ideas...

For they will decide to not share them us...

Yes..

Those same tech hungry masses that clamor for sound tech and advice...

and those same masses that reject said advice and tech if it does not agree with their views...

Yes...

Please stop the insanity...

Embrace Darwin

Tell them what they want to hear...

:D

[red91]

Yes...


Those same tech hungry masses that clamor for sound tech and advice...


:D

can you help me fab a triangular driveshaft ? it appears to be a much better shape than a square one.


Oh great and powerful Barrio Fabworks....I emplore your wisdom..and guidance...:worship:

[xjrubicon91]

shame shame shame!!!

On all you old timer NAXJA members!

For trying to direct someone with technical jargon...

I mean c'mon...

It's not like anyone here works in the metal industry or builds/sells aftermarket/modified parts for Cherokees right...

It's not like anyone here actually wheels and tests their theories and fabrications...

All of you are just jealous that none of you ever thought of using square tubing...

Don't even let me get started on the grammar/spelling issue...

It's downright rude of you to expect proper spelling or grammar from someone who needs to convey their ideas and/or requests in a written medium...

You're all a bunch of MEANIES!!!


I dig your style dude!

Finally someone who agrees w/ me!!!

Hey Gil how about we go wheelin' some time and I'll share my beer with you. Who knows, if you get me drunk enough you might even get lucky?!!!

[red91]

I dig your style dude!

Finally someone who agrees w/ me!!!

Hey Gil how about we go wheelin' some time and I'll share my beer with you. Who knows, if you get me drunk enough you might even get lucky?!!!


Hi...My name is Red and I'm an alcoholic...I will drink you under the table...and I like WOMEN.

[Gil BullyKatz]

I dig your style dude!

Finally someone who agrees w/ me!!!

Hey Gil how about we go wheelin' some time and I'll share my beer with you. Who knows, if you get me drunk enough you might even get lucky?!!!


:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:


http://www.rawhideoutfitters.com/images/2002/12%20fishing.jpg

[Jes]

Nice catch. :thumbup:

[Gil BullyKatz]

Nice catch. :thumbup:

http://us.st5.yimg.com/store1.yimg.com/I/demotivators_1862_8338159

[xjrubicon91]

hey Gil is that you in the picture showing me how you can provide for our future family of Butt-Babys...that's so romantic.

[Gil BullyKatz]

hey Gil is that you in the picture showing me how you can provide for our future family of Butt-Babys...that's so romantic.

http://us.st5.yimg.com/store1.yimg.com/I/demotivators_1862_6739411

[88rockxj]

You're kidding, right?
I don't know what kind of "rocks" you're used to.
Hint: If your DS can move or break it, it's a "stone".

To me it's a very poor way to save a buck.
Gotta agree with that mean guy, CRASH; it's the definition of ghetto-fab.
First off, the tolerences between the inner and outer "shafts" would be loose at best. Bad Idea Jeans for a spinning part.
Second, get this thing spinning (banging) in the rocks and think of how long your u-joints are gonna last.

I'm all for cheap solutions but, like nakedness, there's good cheap and bad cheap.

Third, 88rockxj, you say you're in school, that tells me you have education at your disposal. Embrace the opportunity to learn.
Your grammar and spelling transcend bad. Reading your post was a workout.
CRASH called you on it. That'll happen when you type like that on an open forum. Get over it.
If you can't get over it, I would suggest a kinder, gentler location:
http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/forums/


no im not in school im 22 and if reading my post was a work out in the future everytime you see one of my post skip it , youre obviously narrow minded and have never used or known somone personaly that has used a square shaft because if you did maybed youd realize square shafts have thier place in the wheeling world.

[Gil BullyKatz]

maybed youd realize square shafts have thier place in the wheeling world.


You're absolutely correct...

trailer hitches and instruments of blunt trauma...

[88rockxj]

You're absolutely correct...

trailer hitches and instruments of blunt trauma...


once you build a trail only vehicle on a tight budget that wont ever see speeds of more then 40 mph maybe youll know what im talking about, but untill then stick to your full bodied street driven grocery getter. have a nice day

[Gil BullyKatz]

once you build a trail only vehicle on a tight budget that wont ever see speeds of more then 40 mph maybe youll know what im talking about, but untill then stick to your full bodied street driven grocery getter. have a nice day

What makes you think I haven't built a trail-only competition only rig?

Enjoy your stay...

Try not to swallow your foot

:D

[xjrubicon91]

Hey Gil.
I love being cannon fodder it makes me feel usefull. Oh by the way mighty Gil, who would rather alienate friends than agree with them: Your signature says, "It's not the size of a dog in a fight... it's the size of the fight in a dog"

I remember the saying more like this:

"It's not the size of THE dog in THE fight... It's the size of the fight in THE dog"

Oh look you're not perfect like you thought...sorry. By the way if you have any new products available though Barrio Fabworks email me some pics so I can buy them all. Oh and make sure you include a sticker for my rig that reads, "I buy products from a******s."

thanks again.

[Gil BullyKatz]

By the way if you have any new products available though Barrio Fabworks email me some pics so I can buy them all. Oh and make sure you include a sticker for my rig that reads, "I buy products from a******s."

thanks again.


No prob...

We'll soon be offering a panty detangler...

Any day now...

Interested in Beta testing?

[Rev Den]

Hey Gil.
blah blah blah

Bad move.

See you at the next MWC run?

Rev

[xjrubicon91]

Rev. I can't wait, I'll reserve my room as soon as the dates are posted. I'll shoot for sometime early march. I might even share my beer with Gil if he's there. 'cause this is all just stupid internet crap. He's mad at me for trying to be nice and I'm equally mad at him for attacking me while I was trying to be nice. So, I'd love to meet everyone in the real world, and find out if we really have anything to be mad at each other for. PEACE.

[Jes]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/635000/images/_636547_tampax300.jpg

[88rockxj]

What makes you think I haven't built a trail-only competition only rig?

Enjoy your stay...

Try not to swallow your foot

:D


becuase you dont know when/why somone can use a square shaft, and why would i care if you built a competition rig? youd be the dumbest person on the planet to run a square shaft in a competition rig, ive come to the conclusion that the majority of the people that are against square shafts would never need to use one becuase of their financial abilitys and will never be able to understand why a square shaft has its place in the wheeling world becuase of that.

[Gil BullyKatz]

:rolleyes:


I might even share my beer with Gil if he's there. 'cause this is all just stupid internet crap..

I dunno...How do you think it'll stand up to LessLimited's homebrew?


He's mad at me for trying to be nice

Wrong... Not even remotely mad... amused maybe...

and I'm equally mad at him for attacking me while I was trying to be nice.

I SINCERELY suggest you work on laughing at yourself if you plan on meeting any of us.

So, I'd love to meet everyone in the real world, and find out if we really have anything to be mad at each other for. PEACE.

There's absolutely NOTHING on this board worth being mad over...

Sit back...

Enjoy the Ride...

Build smart!

:D

[Rev Den]

I SINCERELY suggest you work on laughing at yourself if you plan on meeting any of us.
:D

BEST advice in this thread.

Rev

[Gil BullyKatz]

ive come to the conclusion that the majority of the people that are against square shafts would never need to use one becuase of their financial abilitys and will never be able to understand why a square shaft has its place in the wheeling world becuase of that.

Financial ability has NOTHING to do with running a square shaft...

Playing the "I'm too broke to build a round shaft" is BS...

If you feel so strongly about your needs vs resources argument...

Build it then post pics of it "breaking rocks" or doing whatever wonderful magical thing it supposedly does (besides being a spare)

Feel free to build whatever out of whatever you want...

But don't come in here and get all pussyhurt because we don't agree with ya...

Sometimes being "easier to build" and "cheaper" isn't "better"...

But you already knew that right?

[xjrubicon91]

the one thing you can't judge from text is tone.

I'm not mad. But, I assumed you were. This is rediculous.

I really do want to hang out in Attica. Because, I know we'll all have a blast and make new friends. Gil you are hilairious...do you want to argue and insult each other for a couple hours tomorrow night? :)

[Rev Den]

Financial ability has NOTHING to do with running a square shaft...

Playing the "I'm too broke to build a round shaft" is BS...

Sometimes being "easier to build" and "cheaper" isn't "better"...

But you already knew that right?

Hey Gil... Just because you toss thousands of dollars at your rig and try to find the most expensive way to do everything is no reason to attack others. :D


Rev

[Gil BullyKatz]

Gil you are hilairious...do you want to argue and insult each other for a couple hours tomorrow night? :)

No.

In order to properly insult and argue with this asshole you either pony up for membership and visit the Den or attend TFT'05 in Chicago (see MWC forum)

I'm hoping to debut Barrio Fabwork's square High Flow Air Tube then...

I figure the 90* corners will cause a beneficial turbulence and increase my performance by at least 20hp...

Did I mention it's cheap too?

It will be available in multi-ply tinfoil or galvanized gutter material...

http://www.builderdepot.com/DALEINDUSTRIESDEPT03101_BM/prodimg/2514842.jpg

The prototype itself is being milled out of a billet chunk of Titanium for testing purposes...

pics soon

[OT]

You noobs either need to give up the defensive struggle or accept the fact that none of the old timers are gonna allow you to get the last insult on us.

I hope all of the dewds that are so offended by the slasher wit, can come to Winterfest and prove their worth at the campfire.

On the square DS front, if you have the time and money to build a square shaft, then you have the time and money to build a round one.
I was once too poor to buy a sweet-ass TW shaft.
So I shortened a Bronco unit.

Anyway, good luck with the struggle and I hope to see you all in Attica in February.

[xjrubicon91]

You noobs either need to give up the defensive struggle or accept the fact that none of the old timers are gonna allow you to get the last insult on us.

I've given up three times now

I hope all of the dewds that are so offended by the slasher wit, can come to Winterfest and prove their worth at the campfire.

I prefer to prove worth on the trails

On the square DS front, if you have the time and money to build a square shaft, then you have the time and money to build a round one.

let's not forget that I didn't condone the use of a square shaft. I suggested using a front DS in the rear. Before all this came about, we were on the same side.

Anyway, good luck with the struggle and I hope to see you all in Attica in February.

I wouldn't miss it for the world. :)

[XJ_ranger]

But...you seem like a real douche bag from reading this post. You could be a hell of a nice guy, but no one could know it from reading this thread.

so?

[OT]

I've given up three times now



I prefer to prove worth on the trails



let's not forget that I didn't condone the use of a square shaft. I suggested using a front DS in the rear. Before all this came about, we were on the same side.



I wouldn't miss it for the world. :)
Good answers, all, except for the proving your worth part.
To wheel off-road only proves you can steer and push a gas pedal around obstacles.
To prove one's worth to the MWC, well that takes a campfire and a bottle of tequilla, and a few bails of hay, and helping me find my glasses which are in my pocket the whole time.
Oh yeah, and boobs.
When we trust you to let you spot one of us, that's when you know your worth has been proven.

[XJ_ranger]

I wouldn't miss it for the world. :)

I think ive met you before...





is this your rig?

http://www.opiebennett.com/images/Jeep/Winterfest2005/IMG_2711.jpg

[XJ_ranger]

Motion to have xjrubicon91 provide a square tube driveshaft for the WinterFest raffle

[Gil BullyKatz]

I think ive met you before...





is this your rig?

http://www.opiebennett.com/images/Jeep/Winterfest2005/IMG_2711.jpg


hey Now!

That was waaaaay before I took the sawzall to it!

I cleared that rock!

uptravel is overated!

:D

[OT]

Motion to have xjrubicon91 provide a square tube driveshaft for the WinterFest raffle

He said he doesn't condone (he doesn't approve of it) the use of a square shaft.

[XJ_ranger]

He said he doesn't condone (he doesn't approve of it) the use of a square shaft.

and Mac Guvyer doesnt condone the use of the frankenspare...

except in extreme circumstances - like when rock crushing strength is needed

[OT]

and Mac Guvyer doesnt condone the use of the frankenspare...

except in extreme circumstances - like when rock crushing strength is needed
Niiice.

[xjrubicon91]

That's your rig in the pic Gil? Nice. I'd like to see pics after you took the sawzall to it too.

Motion to have xjrubicon91 provide a square tube driveshaft for the WinterFest raffle


Hey, I can't fabricate worth poo. But I do have a spare rubicon Express DS lying around that fits about a 7" lift w/ the SYE AA kit that I could bring.


When we trust you to let you spot one of us, that's when you know your worth has been proven.

I'd love to earn your trust enough to spot you. I've been involved w/ Jeep Jamboree for the past couple of years (trail guiding up on Drummond Island) and I'm no stranger to spotting. I've spotted many noobs driving stock Libertys though rock gardens, so I'm sure I'd be able to give anyone a run for their money!

[OT]

Yeah, Gil, I'd like to see it as well.:D

XJRubi, You ought to see mine after I took the Earth to it.

[Lincoln]

I think I might cry. It made it to page 8 and I missed all the good opportunities to be an a$$hole.

[Gil BullyKatz]

Yeah, Gil, I'd like to see it as well.:D




I didn't care for the schedule 120 pipe cage...

It wasn't helping save the body...

How do you like it in rustoleum white?


http://www.savepic.com/freepicturehosting/is.php?i=369825&img=pict.jpg

[OT]

I didn't care for the schedule 120 pipe cage...

It wasn't helping save the body...

How do you like it in rustoleum white?


http://www.savepic.com/freepicturehosting/is.php?i=369825&img=pict.jpg
I thought it was more beat up than that.
Either way, it looks kick ass!

[xjrubicon91]

holy SHEITE! Is that the same Cherokee?! Your front fenders are giving mine a run for their money!!! Are you still running MTR's right now? What size on what axles? They look big.

I guess my fenders aren't quite that bad yet:

http://home.comcast.net/~xjrubicon/onlinestorage/drooplarge.jpg

I'm painting it tractor supply safety orange over the winter!!! should be kewl...

also judging by the amount of mods from the pic of your rig...you know your stuff.

[XJ_ranger]

holy SHEITE! Is that the same Cherokee?! Your front fenders are giving mine a run for their money!!! Are you still running MTR's right now? What size on what axles? They look big.

I guess my fenders aren't quite that bad yet:

http://home.comcast.net/~xjrubicon/onlinestorage/drooplarge.jpg (http://home.comcast.net/%7Exjrubicon/onlinestorage/drooplarge.jpg)

I'm painting it tractor supply safety orange over the winter!!! should be kewl...

also judging by the amount of mods from the pic of your rig...you know your stuff.

I dig the "RUBICON" logo on the front fender...

[xjrubicon91]

I dig the "RUBICON" logo on the front fender...

hey thanks ranger. You're the first person to comment on that since I slapped 'em on about 6 months ago. I was begining to wonder if people thought they were dumb... My logic was being that I had the Moab rims and MTRs and a '89 XJ D44 in the rear w/ selectable locker and 4.56 gears that I have all the makings of a rubicon (minus my crappy dana turdy front end) I just couldn't plunk down the 2500 clams Currie wanted for the HP44 front end like I wanted....

[XJ_ranger]

hey thanks ranger. You're the first person to comment on that since I slapped 'em on about 6 months ago. I was begining to wonder if people thought they were dumb... My logic was being that I had the Moab rims and MTRs and a '89 XJ D44 in the rear w/ selectable locker and 4.56 gears that I have all the makings of a rubicon (minus my crappy dana turdy front end) I just couldn't plunk down the 2500 clams Currie wanted for the HP44 front end like I wanted....

and the NV241OR t-case... :D


Im thinking of doing something similar with the YJ Renagade package style letters...

we'll see

once i get my steering system to stop leaking and i get me a front driveshaft again...

[Gil BullyKatz]

xjrubicon91...

You my friend...

Need help...

Please feel free to remove the "kick me" sign from your ass.

Stick around...

Be observant...

Laugh outloud...

and stop going for the nightcrawlers...



















































I dig the "RUBICON" logo on the front fender...

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:


You're missing the "trail rated" badge...


oh and btw Ranger...

it's "Renegade" not renagade

:D

[ILLXJ]

I didn't care for the schedule 120 pipe cage...

It wasn't helping save the body...

How do you like it in rustoleum white?


http://www.savepic.com/freepicturehosting/is.php?i=369825&img=pict.jpg
I think white XJ's suck. I like cheap spray on bedliner.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/bullycatz/jeep/DSCF0007.jpg

[OT]

I think white XJ's suck. I like cheap spray on bedliner.
Ditto.

[XJ_ranger]

oh and btw Ranger...

it's "Renegade" not renagade

:D

damnit

i thought it was weird that the dealer didnt list a part number for the RENAGADE sticker package...

[XJ_ranger]

xjrubicon91...

You my friend...

Need help...

Please feel free to remove the "kick me" sign from your ass.

Stick around...

Be observant...

Laugh outloud...

and stop going for the nightcrawlers...


kinda reminds me of myself... :D :D

[Roxtar]

kinda reminds me of myself... :D :DRanger is a great example:
As a noob, he shut his mouth, watched, read, and listened before thinking he had a clue.
By doing those things he learned.

Now he is well repected, well, mildly repected...
Maybe not repected so much as tolerated by most, OK, some of us.
Alright, there's got to be someone here who can now tolerate him.

Learn from his example.

[xjrubicon91]

and the NV241OR t-case... :D

hey I hear that's pretty much a direct swap...


Please feel free to remove the "kick me" sign from your ass.

CRAP! How did that get there!?

DUALLY NOTED.

[XJ_ranger]

Ranger is a great example:
As a noob, he shut his mouth, watched, read, and listened before thinking he had a clue.
By doing those things he learned.

Now he is well repected, well, mildly repected...
Maybe not repected so much as tolerated by most, OK, some of us.
Alright, there's got to be someone here who can now tolerate him.

Learn from his example.

:D :D :D :lecture:

[OT]

Ranger is a great example:
As a noob, he shut his mouth, watched, read, and listened before thinking he had a clue.
By doing those things he learned.

Now he is well repected, well, mildly repected...
Maybe not repected so much as tolerated by most, OK, some of us.
Alright, there's got to be someone here who can now tolerate him.

Learn from his example.
I certainly repect your pelling skills.:D

[Roxtar]

I certainly repect your pelling skills.:DThat was nice huh?
I noticed that when Ranger quoted it. I checked the "s" on my keyboard to make sure it worked. :D
Must be a Fruedian thing about the word respect. How do you, obviously, misspell the same word, the same way, three times in one sentence? Even after previewing it?
:dunce:

[red91]

I certainly repect your pelling skills.:D


Brads' lisp is coming back again...

[red91]

hey thanks ranger. You're the first person to comment on that since I slapped 'em on about 6 months ago. I was begining to wonder if people thought they were dumb... My logic was being that I had the Moab rims and MTRs and a '89 XJ D44 in the rear w/ selectable locker and 4.56 gears that I have all the makings of a rubicon (minus my crappy dana turdy front end) I just couldn't plunk down the 2500 clams Currie wanted for the HP44 front end like I wanted....


Dude...if you thought ranger was SERIOUS...


Good luck MWC....you gonna need much ,much more than a box of lucky charms for this one. :D

[Lawn Cher']

Dude...if you thought ranger was SERIOUS...


Good luck MWC....you gonna need much ,much more than a box of lucky charms for this one. :D

Meh, he's gotta pony up for a red name before we have to take him seriously.

[red91]

Meh, he's gotta pony up for a red name before we have to take him out and LOSE HIM on the trail.

[xjrubicon91]

Dude...if you thought ranger was SERIOUS...


Good luck MWC....you gonna need much ,much more than a box of lucky charms for this one. :D


Apparently I'm really bad at judging sarcasm from text only?!?!? :D

I'll try to work on that. ;D


Meh, he's gotta pony up for a red name before we have to take him seriously.

I just sent in my dues for the year via paypal. Damn you ba***rds got me hooked!!

[XJ_ranger]

Dude...if you thought ranger was SERIOUS...


when was the last time i posted sometihng real and serious?

[OT]

when was the last time i posted sometihng real and serious?
When was the last time you posted a correctly spelled sentence?

[LBEXJ]

Apparently I'm really bad at judging sarcasm from text only?!?!? :D

I'll try to work on that. ;D

I just sent in my dues for the year via paypal. Damn you ba***rds got me hooked!!
Hang around .... you'll find out who's full of $hit and trying to feed it to ya. Funny thing is with some, there is an e-personna, and their real personality. That's why you need to wheel/party with these guys if you get a chance.

Me ... I'm too old to do much crazy stuff (107). I need help just getting in my Jeep.

Les

[dirtbikestud66]

i built a round drive shaft in a lathe for my budy and he is running abou 350hp in a 460 and it has not broke and it has no vibration at 120mph. i think im going to make square for my ever day driver. if u do it right u should have no probs. i have never made a square one before so i hope it works.

[XJ_ranger]

i built a round drive shaft in a lathe for my budy and he is running abou 350hp in a 460 and it has not broke and it has no vibration at 120mph. i think im going to make square for my ever day driver. if u do it right u should have no probs. i have never made a square one before so i hope it works.


wow.... nice!!! :confused1

[BrettM]

i built a round drive shaft in a lathe for my budy and he is running abou 350hp in a 460 and it has not broke and it has no vibration at 120mph. i think im going to make square for my ever day driver. if u do it right u should have no probs. i have never made a square one before so i hope it works.
so you have the machinery and skills to make a good round shaft, but you're going to make a square instead? why?

[jrsxj98]

so you have the machinery and skills to make a good round shaft, but you're going to make a square instead? why?

Asking myself that same question.......:dunce:

[goodburbon]

I was too busy noting all of the duallys to build a square shaft, so I yanked my 73 bronco rear shaft and used it.


CRAP! How did that get there!?

DUALLY NOTED.